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    Avy'd Marzocchi 55

    Craig, at Avalanche Racing Products, is trying to make an Avalanche Advantage Fork Kit for the Marzocchi 55. To do this he needs 10 or more Marz 55s to analyze (i.e. take measurements of). Without an adequate sampling (10+ forks) the fork kit for the 55 won't happen.

    I volunteered my 2010 Marzocchi 55 Micro Air Ti Fork to the cause. (That makes 3 or 4.)

    Note: I don't know if Craig will reimburse shipping, but he will probably hook you up if he doesn't. Personally, I didn't ask; as my fork needs an oil change and I doubt he, in good conscience, would put the old, black goop back in.


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    Someone, please create a similar thread in the "Shocks and Suspension" forum. I have never posted in that forum so I think it would be a bit inappropriate of me to start out with a new thread that is a plea.
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    Just noticed that Craig is in the Knolly forum. I guess my "fork-oil surprise" won't be much of a surprise after all.
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    I would volunteer my 2012 rc3 ti but its in Phoenix and I won't be back down there for another 3-4 weeks. If it can wait, i'll send it then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    I would volunteer my 2012 rc3 ti but its in Phoenix and I won't be back down there for another 3-4 weeks. If it can wait, i'll send it then.
    That should work, but I would ask Craig when you have it in your possession. Thanks!
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    I guess there must be more interest now. Ever since I got my 55 for my Chili I just cant get it to feel good. I even called Marz and tried more oil, more air, still doesn't feel as good as my old Fox 36 Talas.
    When i called Craig to inquire about a cart, there was not enough interest for him to pursue it.
    Unfortunately I don't have a spare fork that would substitute so I can't send mine in.

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    Just called Craig and I'll be sending in my 55 as well.
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    Thanks.

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    Just called Craig and I'll be sending in my 55 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    Unfortunately I don't have a spare fork that would substitute so I can't send mine in.
    He really only needs your fork for a day or less (actually hours) to take some measurements. Since you live in the New England area, you could probably arrange it so your fork was only gone for short period (counting mailing). You might want to call Craig and see what you can arrange.

    Every fork helps! (I feel I should add a "yeah team" after that sentence. Not sure how I volunteered myself to be head cheerleader for this. I really must not want to do my own work. )
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    What years are you looking for? I have a friends 55 sitting in my garage. It was a lemon since day one. I think it must be an 08 or '09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    What years are you looking for? I have a friends 55 sitting in my garage. It was a lemon since day one. I think it must be an 08 or '09.
    We need all years and models, we do not have any this old yet.

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    I'll send my 2011 Micro Ti in next week after Christmas.

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    Yo, send me an Avy'd Lyrik to test, and change my seals, you can borrow my 2012 55 for measurement. .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Yo, send me an Avy'd Lyrik to test, and change my seals, you can borrow my 2012 55 for measurement. .
    ^^^^^ This +1...... (Although mine is just an old 2009, my 2011 is on a slow boat to the UK Sold.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    ^^^^^ This +1...... (Although mine is just an old 2009, my 2011 is on a slow boat to the UK Sold.)
    If you can part with your 2009 for a week or so then send it in. As Craig said, he needs as many model years (and multiple examples of each model year) as he can get.
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    2011 RC3 Ti Evo will be on its way Jan 2nd.

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    Probably a performance gain for an older fork but my 2012 55 Ti Evo is perfect, so why fix something that isn't broke?
    Not to mention what happens to any warranty with aftermarket tweaking.

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    Cool see you guys sending in your forks. Craig is such a great guy and it is great to see the Knolly crew stepping up to help Craig out (and hopefully yourselves )

    I spoke to Craig the other day, and he mentioned he has been knocking out all kinds of work for Chilcotins, SWEET!
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    Probably a performance gain for an older fork but my 2012 55 Ti Evo is perfect, so why fix something that isn't broke?
    Not to mention what happens to any warranty with aftermarket tweaking.
    Have you had an opportunity to ride one of Craig's cartridges? I thought the Lyrik DH was the best damper on the market, better than the Fox RC2, and better than the 55 RC3 Ti.

    After the cartridge upgrade, nothing I have been on even comes close to the performance of a custom tuned damper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    ...Not to mention what happens to any warranty with aftermarket tweaking.
    Not exactly sure what you mean, so I will answer both possibilities:

    -- Craig needs the forks to measure. It will be the equivalent to doing a fork tear-down for annual maintenance. It won't void a warranty or cause damage.

    -- With some forks you have to enlarge the bottom whole (e.g. Lyrik I think) for the Avy cartridge, so you couldn't replace the original components if a warranty repair was required. In this situation, a manufacturer could play nasty and void your warranty even though the failure was caused by their components and not Avalanche's fault. Other forks don't require any type of mod (e.g. Marz 66) and the original parts could be substituted before returning for warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    Probably a performance gain for an older fork but my 2012 55 Ti Evo is perfect, so why fix something that isn't broke?
    Not to mention what happens to any warranty with aftermarket tweaking.
    If you cannot state plainly what you're not getting, you have nothing to fix. I suspect the guys who see huge differences are heavier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    If you can part with your 2009 for a week or so then send it in. As Craig said, he needs as many model years (and multiple examples of each model year) as he can get.
    Just checked shipping and it's not going to be as much as I thought ($16) so I'll get it boxed up and sent next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Just checked shipping and it's not going to be as much as I thought ($16) so I'll get it boxed up and sent next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    If you cannot state plainly what you're not getting, you have nothing to fix.
    Translation: Ignorance is bliss!

    There's nothing wrong with this way of thinking. It's a lot cheaper and requires less time. Imagine how much better your life would have been if you had discovered this nugget of wisdom before purchasing a Knolly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Not exactly sure what you mean, so I will answer both possibilities:

    -- Craig needs the forks to measure. It will be the equivalent to doing a fork tear-down for annual maintenance. It won't void a warranty or cause damage.

    -- With some forks you have to enlarge the bottom whole (e.g. Lyrik I think) for the Avy cartridge, so you couldn't replace the original components if a warranty repair was required. In this situation, a manufacturer could play nasty and void your warranty even though the failure was caused by their components and not Avalanche's fault. Other forks don't require any type of mod (e.g. Marz 66) and the original parts could be substituted before returning for warranty.
    Fair enough if parts can be swapped easily to retain the warranty.

    I know I've owned Fox & Rockshox forks that I never got the performance I was after , but other friends forks worked good from day one. Mass production quality control can be a little off.
    The 55 Ti Evo for me has been good from day one( except for the removal of the plastic spring wrapper) my thinking was the 55 had a better strike rate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    If you cannot state plainly what you're not getting, you have nothing to fix. I suspect the guys who see huge differences are heavier.
    ho humm

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    The 55 Ti Evo for me has been good from day one( except for the removal of the plastic spring wrapper) my thinking was the 55 had a better strike rate?
    My 55's (RC3 EVO Ti) from 2010 til today have all been stellar. I'd say its the best out-of-the-box single-crown fork I've ever owned hands down. That said, even Marzocchi recognizes that there are performance compromises to mass produced forks and offers their "works" service as a remedy to those short-comings.

    Regardless, I'm still sending in my 55 to Craig because I will be playing with the Chili + new 66 & because it'll help out with the project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Translation: Ignorance is bliss!

    There's nothing wrong with this way of thinking. It's a lot cheaper and requires less time. Imagine how much better your life would have been if you had discovered this nugget of wisdom before purchasing a Knolly!
    I suspect you don't have as much information as I do. Maybe you have more money and time?
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    Awesome to see everyone sending theirs in to help out. I think that says alot about both Craig and what he can do with a shock and fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I suspect you don't have as much information as I do. Maybe you have more money and time?
    Probably so; but cheezwhip does make an excellent point:

    ... even Marzocchi recognizes that there are performance compromises to mass produced forks and offers their "works" service as a remedy to those short-comings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Probably so; but cheezwhip does make an excellent point:
    re: 'works'....that's polite speak which means: "We can adjust the shim stack for fatties."

    I can do that with my EVO cartridge, too, if I gain a lot of weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    re: 'works'....that's polite speak which means: "We can adjust the shim stack for fatties."

    I can do that with my EVO cartridge, too, if I gain a lot of weight.
    I think you've convinced everyone on this thread that your 55 is perfect for you. Congratulations!

    That said, I don't think you've convinced myself or the others that the our 55s are perfect for us. (I really doubt that presenting the same POV ad nauseam will sway many of us when our butts & bones tell us differently.) The great thing: our success at helping Avalanche Racing Products won't hurt you and others that are in bliss with the stock 55s; but, it will provide an option for those of us who are not.

    Now, please excuse the rest of us (fatties and others) while we try to make our 55s perfect for us.
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    TSC , you may want to cross post this on the suspension thread to get a few more on board, don't get me wrong I'm all for improvements.
    In another year or so we will all be on DVO forks anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    I think you've convinced everyone on this thread that your 55 is perfect for you. Congratulations!

    That said, I don't think you've convinced myself or the others that the our 55s are perfect for us. (I really doubt that presenting the same POV ad nauseam will sway many of us when our butts & bones tell us differently.) The great thing: our success at helping Avalanche Racing Products won't hurt you and others that are in bliss with the stock 55s; but, it will provide an option for those of us who are not.

    Now, please excuse the rest of us (fatties and others) while we try to make our 55s perfect for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    TSC , you may want to cross post this on the suspension thread to get a few more on board, don't get me wrong I'm all for improvements.
    In another year or so we will all be on DVO forks anyhow.
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    Geo, I totally agree. I was hoping that someone else would start a thread over there as I haven't posted there much. I did post it in response to someones thread in the Suspension forum. I probably will create a thread there if nobody beats me to it in the next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    I think you've convinced everyone on this thread that your 55 is perfect for you. Congratulations!

    That said, I don't think you've convinced myself or the others that the our 55s are perfect for us. (I really doubt that presenting the same POV ad nauseam will sway many of us when our butts & bones tell us differently.) The great thing: our success at helping Avalanche Racing Products won't hurt you and others that are in bliss with the stock 55s; but, it will provide an option for those of us who are not.

    Now, please excuse the rest of us (fatties and others) while we try to make our 55s perfect for us.
    Oh I'm not selling anything. But, since qbert is here now, you should make sure to remove your spring and reduce the diameter of the lower spring clip by about .1mm, since that part is mass produced . Some of the spring clips are too obese to slide comfortably inside the stanchion tube, even with a lot of butter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    re: 'works'....that's polite speak which means: "We can adjust the shim stack for fatties."
    I'm 6'2" and 210 - more geared up. Not really what you would call a fattie.
    If your a big guy (or quite petite) you can easily fall outside the stock tuning weight range.

    Having the ability to tune the shim-stack for weight - ala EVO cart, or Avalanche is a great benefit. Better than playing with oil weights and volumes. That is just the icing on the shim-stack cake.

    What has me interested is the mid-valve and Craigs ability to tune low, mid and high to my preferences. That is a bit more than playing with the high-speed on the EVO stack....

    Just this "fatties" opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by mykel View Post
    I'm 6'2" and 210 - more geared up.
    ...Just this "fatties" opinion
    Mrwhlr has been working really hard to offend anyone that doesn't share his beliefs. I'm guessing that attending a Knollyfest any time soon, with all us fatties riding Avy'd forks and shocks, might not be in his best interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Mrwhlr has been working really hard to offend anyone that doesn't share his beliefs. I'm guessing that attending a Knollyfest any time soon, with all us fatties riding Avy'd forks and shocks, might not be in his best interests.
    I've remained civilized here, but if you insist on using language like that, I may change my diction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I've remained civilized here, but if you insist on using language like that, I may change my diction.
    I started this thread to help Craig (a really great guy who makes amazing products) create an after-market cartridge for the the Marz 55. There has been one post of concern about warranty issues. All the rest have been supportive except yours. IMO, your posts appear to be saying that we are a bunch of fat, whiny, dumba$$es.

    I apologize if I've misunderstood your posts, but I can't conceive of another way in which they were intended. If you are upset because I said you have been "working really hard to offend", I'm sorry. I don't know the amount of effort you have been putting in; I just know the results of that effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    I started this thread to help Craig (a really great guy who makes amazing products) create an after-market cartridge for the the Marz 55. There has been one post of concern about warranty issues. All the rest have been supportive except yours. IMO, your posts appear to be saying that we are a bunch of fat, whiny, dumba$$es.

    I apologize if I've misunderstood your posts, but I can't conceive of another way in which they were intended. If you are upset because I said you have been "working really hard to offend", I'm sorry. I don't know the amount of effort you have been putting in; I just know the results of that effort.
    You're finding my diction a bit hard to swallow? I get that a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    You're finding my diction a bit hard to swallow? I get that a lot.

    One of my favorite pseudo-definitions:
    INSANITY: doing the same thing the same way while expecting different results.

    Don't change it if you feel like you are getting your desired results. Do change it if you feel you aren't.
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    Avy Cartridge Kit for Marzocchi 55

    Started working on cartridge design for 55.

    Any opinions as to retaining the air adjust feature on the damper side of the RC3. This can accomplished but adapting the stock for cap to our cartridge rather than replacing it completely with our style fork cap. Added benefit is it also retains the stock adjuster knob. Seems like a no brainer, but the cool (bling) factor of our different looking gold cap will not be there!

    Hope to have working prototypes to ship out by Monday. Generally speaking it will look like the 66 cartridge kit show on the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Started working on cartridge design for 55.

    Any opinions as to retaining the air adjust feature on the damper side of the RC3. This can accomplished but adapting the stock for cap to our cartridge rather than replacing it completely with our style fork cap. Added benefit is it also retains the stock adjuster knob. Seems like a no brainer, but the cool (bling) factor of our different looking gold cap will not be there!

    Hope to have working prototypes to ship out by Monday. Generally speaking it will look like the 66 cartridge kit show on the website.

    Hmm, tough call. They only make two springs for the RC3 (at least so Marz told me). The stock one, and a lighter one for they skinny guys. So if you are too heavy for the stock one, they recommend you throw in a few pumps of air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Started working on cartridge design for 55.

    Any opinions as to retaining the air adjust feature on the damper side of the RC3. This can accomplished but adapting the stock for cap to our cartridge rather than replacing it completely with our style fork cap. Added benefit is it also retains the stock adjuster knob. Seems like a no brainer, but the cool (bling) factor of our different looking gold cap will not be there!

    Hope to have working prototypes to ship out by Monday. Generally speaking it will look like the 66 cartridge kit show on the website.
    KEEP IT. It lets the air out as well as in. Those who desire no pressure can release that side in a few seconds. The spring side can be done the same by drilling through the center of the pre-load adjuster retaining screw's bore. Then both sides can be relieved in a few seconds .
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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Started working on cartridge design for 55.

    Any opinions as to retaining the air adjust feature on the damper side of the RC3. This can accomplished but adapting the stock for cap to our cartridge rather than replacing it completely with our style fork cap. Added benefit is it also retains the stock adjuster knob. Seems like a no brainer, but the cool (bling) factor of our different looking gold cap will not be there!

    Hope to have working prototypes to ship out by Monday. Generally speaking it will look like the 66 cartridge kit show on the website.
    Cool. Are you still needing samples to measure? I haven't got my '09 sent out yet but I still can if you need it.
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    Slighty off topic, but I am sure you guys know more about Marzocchi forks than I. I just got a good deal on a '12 55 CR. I want to run it in 150mm mode via the internal spacer.

    Does anyone know how to accompolish this spacer swap? Or have a good resource for doing this? Marz website and manual are of limited help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Cool. Are you still needing samples to measure? I haven't got my '09 sent out yet but I still can if you need it.
    Yes, we were kind of hoping to get an old one in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Yes, we were kind of hoping to get an old one in.
    Ok, I'll try and get it shipped out ASAP.
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