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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    AVY is now converting the CTD to the speed sensitive damper...been waiting for this for a while

    Float CTD and RP23 SSD Modifications
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    that will be a god send for people on tight budgets and light weight freaks alike

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I'm going to send in my shock next week.


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    Please be sure to post up your thoughts. I will likely send mine in as well.
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    Nice option!

    The Avy SSD upgrade made my Fox DHX Air 5.0 a new shock.
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    Be really interested to see how a RP23 with this mod compares to the CCDB air.

    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.

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    Mine is already sitting in his shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.
    there are no fanboi's just those who know how things work and those who don't. yes people have raved on about things at times and got carried away, but ive been there and done it and I know why they've been so excited. ive got an avalanched van 160 here and I found it more plush than the DVO emerald that I had a go of 2 days ago (try it, see what I talking about). go speak to the people that make them to get an understanding. don't wholy rely on forums to get your answers.

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Just had a 23 minute convo with Craig. Order placed. It snowed today so I may as well get the shock sent in I've got a ccdba to compare it to.


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    I agree with this. It would have to be leaps and bounds better than my CCDBA for me to even consider it. I can get my CCDB stuff serviced locally by James (Suspensionwerx), Avalanche still has the drawback of having to send it away if there are any issues. I doubt James will be servicing any shocks that have been Avalanche modified?
    Asking for non fanboi feedback in a forum that pretty much defines fanboi might be a bit of a challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Be really interested to see how a RP23 with this mod compares to the CCDB air.

    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.
    I don't think a CTD will compare to a CCDBA in any capacity.

    However, if someone is happy with their CCDBA, would that not make them a "fanboi"?
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    Having just stepped onto the Avalanche scene (recently picked up G-AIR's Lyrik), I already find it hard to contain my stoke for it. It's easy to see how one can become a fanboi...nothing wrong with that.

    Just an observation though- they might as well change the name of this sub-forum to "Knolly/Avalanche". Half of the research I tried to do on the company brought me back here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steammachine View Post
    Having just stepped onto the Avalanche scene (recently picked up G-AIR's Lyrik), I already find it hard to contain my stoke for it. It's easy to see how one can become a fanboi...nothing wrong with that.

    Just an observation though- they might as well change the name of this sub-forum to "Knolly/Avalanche". Half of the research I tried to do on the company brought me back here!
    Yeah, I know a lot of guys here ride Avy stuff. I certainly post my share of info. The terrain that we ride really benefits from the Avy treatment. Regardless of which bike or brand I ride, it will be sporting an Avy. I think Craig really has nailed it for me and I don't see any reason to put my money anywhere else.

    I don't know of anyone who has not been a fan of Craig's work. Much like Knolly I enjoy supporting the little guy. The best you know is the best you have ridden.
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    I have a DBair on a new endo that I'm happy with (enough so that I sold the avy chubie). I've got an avy cartridge in my lyrik air as well. I don't consider myself a fanboi/brand wh*re, just an average rider wanting the most optimal suspension for my setup. If I can find a used rp23 for a decent price I'm going to get it avy'd for sure to compare.

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    Any reason not to spec a CCBD Air CS on a new Warden taking cost out of the equation? I am assuming the only other factory option is a FOX Float CTD. I'm no suspension guru, but I am smart enough to get advice from them and get a professional bike setup every year or so. Having a wider range of tuning options seems like a good idea.

    My friends with the new 2014 Fox CTD shocks [not the Float X] aren't overly impressed. Climb is a lock out which I would never use so that leaves only two compression settings to choose from.

    I've heard some better things about the Float X and that can be Avy'd. I haven't heard that as a Knolly factory option.

    If I get something that needs to be Avy'd I'd ride it for the summer and send it off for upgrade at the end of the warm weather riding season. So it has to not suck so bad I'll wish the summer was over so soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Any reason not to spec a CCBD Air CS on a new Warden taking cost out of the equation? I am assuming the only other factory option is a FOX Float CTD. I'm no suspension guru, but I am smart enough to get advice from them and get a professional bike setup every year or so. Having a wider range of tuning options seems like a good idea.

    My friends with the new 2014 Fox CTD shocks [not the Float X] aren't overly impressed. Climb is a lock out which I would never use so that leaves only two compression settings to choose from.

    I've heard some better things about the Float X and that can be Avy'd. I haven't heard that as a Knolly factory option.

    If I get something that needs to be Avy'd I'd ride it for the summer and send it off for upgrade at the end of the warm weather riding season. So it has to not suck so bad I'll wish the summer was over so soon.
    I'd stay away for the CTD unless you are going for the absolute minimum weight. The CCDBA would be a much better option simply due to tunability. If you are looking for an air shock, just spend the few extra dollars on the CCDBA, I doubt you will regret it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I'd stay away for the CTD unless you are going for the absolute minimum weight. The CCDBA would be a much better option simply due to tunability. If you are looking for an air shock, just spend the few extra dollars on the CCDBA, I doubt you will regret it.
    Thanks. Posted my reply in the Warden thread to avoid thread-jacking any further.
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    What would be great, would be an AVA'd CCBD Air CS

    EDIT ..that was just my tongue in cheek humour...for clarity sake.

    For the record I run CCDB's on my Chili and Podium now (since the mail service disposed of my Woodie wrongly saying it 'dangerous goods') ...I like the Cane Creek shocks and have no plans to change them up for anything else...all the same I believe the Woodie edged it in damping performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I agree with this. It would have to be leaps and bounds better than my CCDBA for me to even consider it. I can get my CCDB stuff serviced locally by James (Suspensionwerx), Avalanche still has the drawback of having to send it away if there are any issues. I doubt James will be servicing any shocks that have been Avalanche modified?
    Asking for non fanboi feedback in a forum that pretty much defines fanboi might be a bit of a challenge
    No worries, you can send it to any suspension tuner for service, oil and recharge is still the same procedure.

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    What would be the best coil options for a Warden ?

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    anyone riding an avy CTD yet? what's the word? I know its gotta be better and it's worth it but just wanna hear what you all have to say about it after riding it.

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    I just got my tracking # today but unfortunately we got 8" of snow over night. Shock arrives Monday and we are due rain so hopefully I will be back on the trails soon.

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    I should have mine on saturday! I might not get to ride it till next weekend since I am on call for work. Suppose to be raining next weekend for us so I probably wont get a proper test on the shock for a while.

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    Avy'd CTD scheduled to arrive this Thursday. I'll ride it next weekend (Jan. 11, 12). Does anyone have experience with the volume spacers? Are the spacers for the CTD the same as the spacers for the RP23? Jenson says yes - Craig says no. Website is hard to figure out, but I am leaning towards no - not the same.

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    I got my ctd back from avy today. I won't get a chance for any trail time till next weekend.
    I went out on an urban ride with lots of long staircase rides and many 2-3' drops to flat. The avy felt as though the mid stroke support was much improved and the shock rode slightly higher in its travel. I felt like trail 2 was comparable to my pike with 3 clicks of low speed. Bottom out was improved for me. In trail 2 I could do a three foot drop to flat and purposefully land kind of hard and use all the travel but about 2mm. In descend mode doing the same thing it just barely bottomed out. I might run a small volume spacer but need actual trail time to see. Previously to get my ctd feeling ok I had to run low pressure for a plush ride and then use a large spacer to keep from bottoming out. I don't think this will be the case with the avy tune. I did note that the climb setting is no longer very stiff and I couldn't really tell any difference between it and trail. The shock kind of felt like the different settings were very subtle between them. I'm not a suspension guru so may be this is how Craig intended for it to be. Once I get some more trail miles I will post more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I got my ctd back from avy today. I won't get a chance for any trail time till next weekend.
    I went out on an urban ride with lots of long staircase rides and many 2-3' drops to flat. The avy felt as though the mid stroke support was much improved and the shock rode slightly higher in its travel. I felt like trail 2 was comparable to my pike with 3 clicks of low speed. Bottom out was improved for me. In trail 2 I could do a three foot drop to flat and purposefully land kind of hard and use all the travel but about 2mm. In descend mode doing the same thing it just barely bottomed out. I might run a small volume spacer but need actual trail time to see. Previously to get my ctd feeling ok I had to run low pressure for a plush ride and then use a large spacer to keep from bottoming out. I don't think this will be the case with the avy tune. I did note that the climb setting is no longer very stiff and I couldn't really tell any difference between it and trail. The shock kind of felt like the different settings were very subtle between them. I'm not a suspension guru so may be this is how Craig intended for it to be. Once I get some more trail miles I will post more.
    Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully this will help describe our approach to the Float SSD/HSB conversion. We felt the climb and descend positions are not very useful on the stock CTD. The Climb was too firm and harsh to ride on any terrain and the descend was too soft and blew though the stroke. Our goal was to create an adjustment system that was more geared towards DH rather than pedaling. The middle trail 2 position would be the standard setting that provided adequate pedaling performance with a plush small bump feel, not blow through the stroke like the descend position did and improve the high speed square edged action. The threshold adjustment system would create a firmer position in the climb position, softer position in the descend position with the trail position having 3 finer tuning DH/Enduro positions. So yes, the SSD/HSB creates a few more usable adjustment positions as compared to the stock CTD but the differences are more subtle, but useful between them.

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    Again I need trail time before I should be posting anything but what purpose does the climb setting provide? The paper you sent with my shock led me to think it was a firm high speed tune with no low speed compression? Anyway trail 2 felt pretty spot on bombing down a set of 75+ stairs so it should be good on square edge trail hits. I can't wait to get out on proper trail miles!

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    I'm looking forward to getting mine back this week - but now I am worried that there will be no platform climbing mode. I used Trail 2 to provide the proper amount of climbing support before it was Avy'd. Sounds like I might be using the "C"limb position for that same amount of platform now for climbing dirt and will not have a "c" option for locking out for climbing asphalt. I am OK with that, as long as I get sufficient support on the dirt climbs - the equivalent (or better) of the previous "T"rail 2 setting. Definitely looking forward to the new shock on the downs.

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    I think the new tune makes the shock a more DH shock and you lose a bit of pedaling platform over the stock ctd. That is how my shock feels anyway but I had told craig that I wanted DH performance first and didn't mind losing some pedaling efficiency. I never used the Climb mode anyway but did like having the option. I look forward to what others have to say about the SSD mod.

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    Thanks for the review! Definitely interested. Would love to hear direct comparisons between the avy CTD and Float X. Curious about how those mods compare to each other and the DBair.

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    I thought the Float X didn't fit on the Endo unless you Dremeled a bit of it off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    I thought the Float X didn't fit on the Endo unless you Dremeled a bit of it off?
    You need to dremel a notch in the rockers. I wouldn't dremel the shock.
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    Is this only for the 3D rockers? Or will older style rockers work with the Float x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Is this only for the 3D rockers? Or will older style rockers work with the Float x?
    This is with the 3D rockers, Cavan tried it at Knolly HQ. I'm not sure about the old flat style rockers.
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    I finally got to put some real trail miles on the new Avy tuned fox ctd. So far the trail 2 setting feels almost spot on for a set it and forget it position that will work for most of my rides. The ride today was a chunky climb followed by a technical descent on a trail that we call Lil Moab. The trail is similar to what I see pics of from Sedona ect. Lots of square edge hits and small ledges at enough elevation drop to really get some suspension testing speed up. On the descent the shock felt very well mannered. Craig nailed the rebound dampening for both climbing and descending. The rear end felt like it had more traction than ever before. My only complaint is that on some of the larger drops/ledges I could bottom out the shock just a bit harder than I'd prefer. I need to ask AVY if I should add a small volume spacer or add a few PSI. I'm currently running 30% sag so I could probably afford to lose a few percent if it helped with bottom out. The low speed compression is firm enough to give me support climbing and pumping trail features but blows off when the shaft speeds increase. Normally I would run less low speed compression for downhill stuff but the shock transitions from low speed to high speed so smoothly that I don't notice I have it in trail 2.

    Like I stated in one of my previous posts, the climb setting is no longer a lockout type setting. But Playing around with it on the climb today I could tell that it did add a slight amount of climbing compression but still was supple enough on the bumps that it doesn't feel harsh. The previous climb position was only really good for pavement or gravel road climbs in my opinion. I would gladly give up some climbing ability for a well performing shock and I think that is what the SSD mod does.

    I didn't ride at all in descend mode today because it started pouring down rain before I could get in a lap to play around with it some more. After my experience today I'm not sure I will even use descend mode much if at all.
    Overall I felt the shock was a good match for my pike fork and everything felt really balanced. Dare I say I even like this shock better than the CCDBA I had. Although its not as adjustable, it feels every bit as good as I could ever get my DB air to feel.
    If the Avalanche CTD is reliable then it will definitely beat out the CCDBA since I have broke two DB airs and finally gave up after number three had issues.

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    I installed and tested my Avy'd CTD on my Endorphin today. Short answer - it's more plush, especially on small trail chatter and square-edged hits.

    Long answer - I had to add 15-20 psi more than the stock shock (from 165 to about 182). It seemed eager to get through all but the last 1/8th inch of travel. The climb mode worked great for dirt climbing and the wheel felt glued to the ground over bumps, rocks, roots and whatnot. This takes the place of the "Trail 2" position I used for climbing previously. I agree with Finch that the new Trail 2 is probably a set it and forget it position.

    Unlike Finch - i experienced sunny skies and 68* today. I feel so guilty.

    Bottom line - the clacking is gone (see other thread) so - mission accomplished. It's more plush, and that's always good. Jury's still out on climbing manners - there's a lot of shock movement, even in Climb. I will add a volume spacer to see if that firms up the mid stroke without compromising the plushness. All things considered, definitely an improvement - and I am one who was not dissatisfied with my stock CTD.

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    I wouldn't say I was dissatisfied with my stock CTD either. Mine had a clacking sound just like yours. Rather than send it to fox for a repair that would break again I figured why not have it Avy'd. I think I will try the small spacer and see what happens. Previously I had to use the large spacer or I'd bottom out off a 2' drop. I only weigh about 145lbs but I guess I ride hard or something. With the new tune I for sure wont need the large spacer, so there is improvement. If I were to send my shock back I might have craig try to add in a little more high speed dampening but its pretty good the way it is.

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    I've only gotten a few rides on mine, but as others have stated, it's not even comparable to the stock shock. Rear end really stays glued to the ground, tracks better, climbs better, etc.

    I found the T2 setting for me a bit softer than I liked, so the second ride I tried T3 and seemed to match almost perfect for trails I had it on, as well as my Pike. I'll try the Climb setting next time out to see how that is, since Craig said that a higher LSC blowoff threshold (I believe that's what he called it.)
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    Interestingly, I always find the best technical information in the Knolly sub forum, even though I'm not a Knolly owner.

    I'm pretty interested in this service. My current everyday rig is a Bronson-C. Ordered from SC as a frame only w/ no shock. Running a CCDB-A on it and I've never been able to get it dialed. Even with all the LSC dialed out and very little HSC, it still feels like there's too much "platform" for the VPP.

    I just picked up a new CTD Kash takeoff that I'm going to swap in to get some real-to-me back-to-back data. If I can get performance, I can live without the CCDB-A weight penalty. And if Avy can make it really perform, all the better.
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    Blatant fwiw I can tell you the avy'd ctd works a charm on my DW bike (5.7c) too. It's not a VPP but closer than a Knolky 4x4.

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    Second ride today. On my first ride, I settled in around 175psi, but I was still at 40% sag. I had to boost pressure to 180 (from 165 stock with spacer) using the same spacer, but that seems to be the proper spot. Trail 3 is best for basic trail applications. Climb has plenty of movement, but also seems to hold the bike up well. I haven't tried it on asphalt yet, but it works well on steep trails. Descend is great. I use 98% of the travel, but it sure feels good.

    I'm 207lbs unkitted and ride a 2013 XL Endo. Add 8 lbs for water and pack. It's a keeper!

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    Subscribed. I just sent Craig my CTD.

    Bike: Yeti sb95
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    Terrain: New England singletrack

    I'll report back in a few weeks.

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    I put in 25 miles on my local AM/DH trails that I ride with a fairly playful and rowdy style. I was previously getting some light bottom out. Talked to Craig on friday and he recommended I run a small spacer. I tried the small spacer and it helped but I still bottomed on a few really hard hits. Next I did the same loop with the next size up in spacers at the same psi. This resulted in about 4% less sag so I dropped 5 psi to get back to 30%. The ride felt about the same, maybe a little better (could be in my head). I'm wondering if the larger spacer with 5psi less equaled the same thing as small spacer with 5psi more??? Maybe Craig can answer this for me. I left it in trail 2 for all the singletrack parts and climb for the road climb back up. Trail 2 has enough LSC to give the bike support and a lively feel. Climb is pretty active but does support the bike slightly better than any of the trail modes. One thing is for sure that it's not a lockout anymore.
    Overall I am really happy with the tune. I played around with the rebound a little and I think Craig had it nailed on the first try. I slowed it by 2 clicks and it felt kind of dead. I then increased rebound speed by two clicks and it kinda felt like it wanted to buck on sharp fast hits.

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    3rd 4th and 5th rides this past weekend. 182psi and it's golden! Very satisfied up, down and sideways. I still might put a different spacer in, but right now - I am one happy camper. Thanks Craig!

    edit: don't worry, I won't post a response after every ride. I'll only report back if I discover something. Carry on!

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    Thanks Herz for the update! I'm going to send my CTD to Craig soon.

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    Good stuff here, thanks for all the info. I'm considering getting my float ctd avy'd for my spitfire v2. The ks link has an amazing feel, especially at speed, but the stock float ctd is such a piece of crap, especially when you consider the msrp. Prior to my spitfire I had a v2 rune with a dbair. I rarely was able to bottom that shock out, but on the float ctd, I bottom it out on all kinds of medium size hits. I definitely miss the ramp up and bottom out support of the dbair, and the vector air which I had on my rune v1. Quite honestly, I'm not sure why there are so many fox fanboys out there. Rock shox and Xfusion both make superior suspension products.

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    CTD off to Craig via FedEx this morning.

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I'm eagerly awaiting a new RP23 from Avalanche and considering also getting my Fox 34 150mm done as well as it is the evolution series and not the greatest feeling shock out of the box.

    Anyone get a Fox 34 done yet?
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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I have my CTD on one bike so fade great but the snow is still on the trails and I just got a DHX5 done too. Unfortunately I don't see they trails being rideable until mid April.


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    I've got a Chilcotin with a Boost Valve Kashima RP23. Would love to get the Avy mod for ultimate downhill performance, but I also do a lot of smooth climbing (often dirt roads) where suspension bob is your worst enemy and makes a 10 mile climb seem like 50 miles. To gain pedaling efficiency, I actually like the stiff setting on the RP23 for smooth climbs like this...but then I also like to bomb rowdy downhills. I noticed a lot of people in this thread mention the lack of a stiff setting on their Avy'd shock. More thoughts on how the Avy'd RP23 would perform on long smooth climbs? Anyone know if it's possible for Craig to custom tune a "stiff" shock setting?

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