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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    AVY is now converting the CTD to the speed sensitive damper...been waiting for this for a while

    Float CTD and RP23 SSD Modifications
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    that will be a god send for people on tight budgets and light weight freaks alike

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I'm going to send in my shock next week.


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    Please be sure to post up your thoughts. I will likely send mine in as well.
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    Nice option!

    The Avy SSD upgrade made my Fox DHX Air 5.0 a new shock.
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    Be really interested to see how a RP23 with this mod compares to the CCDB air.

    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.

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    Mine is already sitting in his shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.
    there are no fanboi's just those who know how things work and those who don't. yes people have raved on about things at times and got carried away, but ive been there and done it and I know why they've been so excited. ive got an avalanched van 160 here and I found it more plush than the DVO emerald that I had a go of 2 days ago (try it, see what I talking about). go speak to the people that make them to get an understanding. don't wholy rely on forums to get your answers.

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Just had a 23 minute convo with Craig. Order placed. It snowed today so I may as well get the shock sent in I've got a ccdba to compare it to.


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    I agree with this. It would have to be leaps and bounds better than my CCDBA for me to even consider it. I can get my CCDB stuff serviced locally by James (Suspensionwerx), Avalanche still has the drawback of having to send it away if there are any issues. I doubt James will be servicing any shocks that have been Avalanche modified?
    Asking for non fanboi feedback in a forum that pretty much defines fanboi might be a bit of a challenge
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    Quote Originally Posted by 006_007 View Post
    Be really interested to see how a RP23 with this mod compares to the CCDB air.

    Would need to be done by someone that is not yet an Avalanche fanboi and also has a CCDB air that they are happy with.
    I don't think a CTD will compare to a CCDBA in any capacity.

    However, if someone is happy with their CCDBA, would that not make them a "fanboi"?
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    Having just stepped onto the Avalanche scene (recently picked up G-AIR's Lyrik), I already find it hard to contain my stoke for it. It's easy to see how one can become a fanboi...nothing wrong with that.

    Just an observation though- they might as well change the name of this sub-forum to "Knolly/Avalanche". Half of the research I tried to do on the company brought me back here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by steammachine View Post
    Having just stepped onto the Avalanche scene (recently picked up G-AIR's Lyrik), I already find it hard to contain my stoke for it. It's easy to see how one can become a fanboi...nothing wrong with that.

    Just an observation though- they might as well change the name of this sub-forum to "Knolly/Avalanche". Half of the research I tried to do on the company brought me back here!
    Yeah, I know a lot of guys here ride Avy stuff. I certainly post my share of info. The terrain that we ride really benefits from the Avy treatment. Regardless of which bike or brand I ride, it will be sporting an Avy. I think Craig really has nailed it for me and I don't see any reason to put my money anywhere else.

    I don't know of anyone who has not been a fan of Craig's work. Much like Knolly I enjoy supporting the little guy. The best you know is the best you have ridden.
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    I have a DBair on a new endo that I'm happy with (enough so that I sold the avy chubie). I've got an avy cartridge in my lyrik air as well. I don't consider myself a fanboi/brand wh*re, just an average rider wanting the most optimal suspension for my setup. If I can find a used rp23 for a decent price I'm going to get it avy'd for sure to compare.

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    Any reason not to spec a CCBD Air CS on a new Warden taking cost out of the equation? I am assuming the only other factory option is a FOX Float CTD. I'm no suspension guru, but I am smart enough to get advice from them and get a professional bike setup every year or so. Having a wider range of tuning options seems like a good idea.

    My friends with the new 2014 Fox CTD shocks [not the Float X] aren't overly impressed. Climb is a lock out which I would never use so that leaves only two compression settings to choose from.

    I've heard some better things about the Float X and that can be Avy'd. I haven't heard that as a Knolly factory option.

    If I get something that needs to be Avy'd I'd ride it for the summer and send it off for upgrade at the end of the warm weather riding season. So it has to not suck so bad I'll wish the summer was over so soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Any reason not to spec a CCBD Air CS on a new Warden taking cost out of the equation? I am assuming the only other factory option is a FOX Float CTD. I'm no suspension guru, but I am smart enough to get advice from them and get a professional bike setup every year or so. Having a wider range of tuning options seems like a good idea.

    My friends with the new 2014 Fox CTD shocks [not the Float X] aren't overly impressed. Climb is a lock out which I would never use so that leaves only two compression settings to choose from.

    I've heard some better things about the Float X and that can be Avy'd. I haven't heard that as a Knolly factory option.

    If I get something that needs to be Avy'd I'd ride it for the summer and send it off for upgrade at the end of the warm weather riding season. So it has to not suck so bad I'll wish the summer was over so soon.
    I'd stay away for the CTD unless you are going for the absolute minimum weight. The CCDBA would be a much better option simply due to tunability. If you are looking for an air shock, just spend the few extra dollars on the CCDBA, I doubt you will regret it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I'd stay away for the CTD unless you are going for the absolute minimum weight. The CCDBA would be a much better option simply due to tunability. If you are looking for an air shock, just spend the few extra dollars on the CCDBA, I doubt you will regret it.
    Thanks. Posted my reply in the Warden thread to avoid thread-jacking any further.
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    What would be great, would be an AVA'd CCBD Air CS

    EDIT ..that was just my tongue in cheek humour...for clarity sake.

    For the record I run CCDB's on my Chili and Podium now (since the mail service disposed of my Woodie wrongly saying it 'dangerous goods') ...I like the Cane Creek shocks and have no plans to change them up for anything else...all the same I believe the Woodie edged it in damping performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I agree with this. It would have to be leaps and bounds better than my CCDBA for me to even consider it. I can get my CCDB stuff serviced locally by James (Suspensionwerx), Avalanche still has the drawback of having to send it away if there are any issues. I doubt James will be servicing any shocks that have been Avalanche modified?
    Asking for non fanboi feedback in a forum that pretty much defines fanboi might be a bit of a challenge
    No worries, you can send it to any suspension tuner for service, oil and recharge is still the same procedure.

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    What would be the best coil options for a Warden ?

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    anyone riding an avy CTD yet? what's the word? I know its gotta be better and it's worth it but just wanna hear what you all have to say about it after riding it.

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    I just got my tracking # today but unfortunately we got 8" of snow over night. Shock arrives Monday and we are due rain so hopefully I will be back on the trails soon.

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    I should have mine on saturday! I might not get to ride it till next weekend since I am on call for work. Suppose to be raining next weekend for us so I probably wont get a proper test on the shock for a while.

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    Avy'd CTD scheduled to arrive this Thursday. I'll ride it next weekend (Jan. 11, 12). Does anyone have experience with the volume spacers? Are the spacers for the CTD the same as the spacers for the RP23? Jenson says yes - Craig says no. Website is hard to figure out, but I am leaning towards no - not the same.

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    I got my ctd back from avy today. I won't get a chance for any trail time till next weekend.
    I went out on an urban ride with lots of long staircase rides and many 2-3' drops to flat. The avy felt as though the mid stroke support was much improved and the shock rode slightly higher in its travel. I felt like trail 2 was comparable to my pike with 3 clicks of low speed. Bottom out was improved for me. In trail 2 I could do a three foot drop to flat and purposefully land kind of hard and use all the travel but about 2mm. In descend mode doing the same thing it just barely bottomed out. I might run a small volume spacer but need actual trail time to see. Previously to get my ctd feeling ok I had to run low pressure for a plush ride and then use a large spacer to keep from bottoming out. I don't think this will be the case with the avy tune. I did note that the climb setting is no longer very stiff and I couldn't really tell any difference between it and trail. The shock kind of felt like the different settings were very subtle between them. I'm not a suspension guru so may be this is how Craig intended for it to be. Once I get some more trail miles I will post more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch6013 View Post
    I got my ctd back from avy today. I won't get a chance for any trail time till next weekend.
    I went out on an urban ride with lots of long staircase rides and many 2-3' drops to flat. The avy felt as though the mid stroke support was much improved and the shock rode slightly higher in its travel. I felt like trail 2 was comparable to my pike with 3 clicks of low speed. Bottom out was improved for me. In trail 2 I could do a three foot drop to flat and purposefully land kind of hard and use all the travel but about 2mm. In descend mode doing the same thing it just barely bottomed out. I might run a small volume spacer but need actual trail time to see. Previously to get my ctd feeling ok I had to run low pressure for a plush ride and then use a large spacer to keep from bottoming out. I don't think this will be the case with the avy tune. I did note that the climb setting is no longer very stiff and I couldn't really tell any difference between it and trail. The shock kind of felt like the different settings were very subtle between them. I'm not a suspension guru so may be this is how Craig intended for it to be. Once I get some more trail miles I will post more.
    Thanks for the feedback! Hopefully this will help describe our approach to the Float SSD/HSB conversion. We felt the climb and descend positions are not very useful on the stock CTD. The Climb was too firm and harsh to ride on any terrain and the descend was too soft and blew though the stroke. Our goal was to create an adjustment system that was more geared towards DH rather than pedaling. The middle trail 2 position would be the standard setting that provided adequate pedaling performance with a plush small bump feel, not blow through the stroke like the descend position did and improve the high speed square edged action. The threshold adjustment system would create a firmer position in the climb position, softer position in the descend position with the trail position having 3 finer tuning DH/Enduro positions. So yes, the SSD/HSB creates a few more usable adjustment positions as compared to the stock CTD but the differences are more subtle, but useful between them.

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    Again I need trail time before I should be posting anything but what purpose does the climb setting provide? The paper you sent with my shock led me to think it was a firm high speed tune with no low speed compression? Anyway trail 2 felt pretty spot on bombing down a set of 75+ stairs so it should be good on square edge trail hits. I can't wait to get out on proper trail miles!

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    I'm looking forward to getting mine back this week - but now I am worried that there will be no platform climbing mode. I used Trail 2 to provide the proper amount of climbing support before it was Avy'd. Sounds like I might be using the "C"limb position for that same amount of platform now for climbing dirt and will not have a "c" option for locking out for climbing asphalt. I am OK with that, as long as I get sufficient support on the dirt climbs - the equivalent (or better) of the previous "T"rail 2 setting. Definitely looking forward to the new shock on the downs.

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    I think the new tune makes the shock a more DH shock and you lose a bit of pedaling platform over the stock ctd. That is how my shock feels anyway but I had told craig that I wanted DH performance first and didn't mind losing some pedaling efficiency. I never used the Climb mode anyway but did like having the option. I look forward to what others have to say about the SSD mod.

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    Thanks for the review! Definitely interested. Would love to hear direct comparisons between the avy CTD and Float X. Curious about how those mods compare to each other and the DBair.

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    I thought the Float X didn't fit on the Endo unless you Dremeled a bit of it off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    I thought the Float X didn't fit on the Endo unless you Dremeled a bit of it off?
    You need to dremel a notch in the rockers. I wouldn't dremel the shock.
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    Is this only for the 3D rockers? Or will older style rockers work with the Float x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Is this only for the 3D rockers? Or will older style rockers work with the Float x?
    This is with the 3D rockers, Cavan tried it at Knolly HQ. I'm not sure about the old flat style rockers.
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    I finally got to put some real trail miles on the new Avy tuned fox ctd. So far the trail 2 setting feels almost spot on for a set it and forget it position that will work for most of my rides. The ride today was a chunky climb followed by a technical descent on a trail that we call Lil Moab. The trail is similar to what I see pics of from Sedona ect. Lots of square edge hits and small ledges at enough elevation drop to really get some suspension testing speed up. On the descent the shock felt very well mannered. Craig nailed the rebound dampening for both climbing and descending. The rear end felt like it had more traction than ever before. My only complaint is that on some of the larger drops/ledges I could bottom out the shock just a bit harder than I'd prefer. I need to ask AVY if I should add a small volume spacer or add a few PSI. I'm currently running 30% sag so I could probably afford to lose a few percent if it helped with bottom out. The low speed compression is firm enough to give me support climbing and pumping trail features but blows off when the shaft speeds increase. Normally I would run less low speed compression for downhill stuff but the shock transitions from low speed to high speed so smoothly that I don't notice I have it in trail 2.

    Like I stated in one of my previous posts, the climb setting is no longer a lockout type setting. But Playing around with it on the climb today I could tell that it did add a slight amount of climbing compression but still was supple enough on the bumps that it doesn't feel harsh. The previous climb position was only really good for pavement or gravel road climbs in my opinion. I would gladly give up some climbing ability for a well performing shock and I think that is what the SSD mod does.

    I didn't ride at all in descend mode today because it started pouring down rain before I could get in a lap to play around with it some more. After my experience today I'm not sure I will even use descend mode much if at all.
    Overall I felt the shock was a good match for my pike fork and everything felt really balanced. Dare I say I even like this shock better than the CCDBA I had. Although its not as adjustable, it feels every bit as good as I could ever get my DB air to feel.
    If the Avalanche CTD is reliable then it will definitely beat out the CCDBA since I have broke two DB airs and finally gave up after number three had issues.

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    I installed and tested my Avy'd CTD on my Endorphin today. Short answer - it's more plush, especially on small trail chatter and square-edged hits.

    Long answer - I had to add 15-20 psi more than the stock shock (from 165 to about 182). It seemed eager to get through all but the last 1/8th inch of travel. The climb mode worked great for dirt climbing and the wheel felt glued to the ground over bumps, rocks, roots and whatnot. This takes the place of the "Trail 2" position I used for climbing previously. I agree with Finch that the new Trail 2 is probably a set it and forget it position.

    Unlike Finch - i experienced sunny skies and 68* today. I feel so guilty.

    Bottom line - the clacking is gone (see other thread) so - mission accomplished. It's more plush, and that's always good. Jury's still out on climbing manners - there's a lot of shock movement, even in Climb. I will add a volume spacer to see if that firms up the mid stroke without compromising the plushness. All things considered, definitely an improvement - and I am one who was not dissatisfied with my stock CTD.

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    I wouldn't say I was dissatisfied with my stock CTD either. Mine had a clacking sound just like yours. Rather than send it to fox for a repair that would break again I figured why not have it Avy'd. I think I will try the small spacer and see what happens. Previously I had to use the large spacer or I'd bottom out off a 2' drop. I only weigh about 145lbs but I guess I ride hard or something. With the new tune I for sure wont need the large spacer, so there is improvement. If I were to send my shock back I might have craig try to add in a little more high speed dampening but its pretty good the way it is.

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    I've only gotten a few rides on mine, but as others have stated, it's not even comparable to the stock shock. Rear end really stays glued to the ground, tracks better, climbs better, etc.

    I found the T2 setting for me a bit softer than I liked, so the second ride I tried T3 and seemed to match almost perfect for trails I had it on, as well as my Pike. I'll try the Climb setting next time out to see how that is, since Craig said that a higher LSC blowoff threshold (I believe that's what he called it.)
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    Interestingly, I always find the best technical information in the Knolly sub forum, even though I'm not a Knolly owner.

    I'm pretty interested in this service. My current everyday rig is a Bronson-C. Ordered from SC as a frame only w/ no shock. Running a CCDB-A on it and I've never been able to get it dialed. Even with all the LSC dialed out and very little HSC, it still feels like there's too much "platform" for the VPP.

    I just picked up a new CTD Kash takeoff that I'm going to swap in to get some real-to-me back-to-back data. If I can get performance, I can live without the CCDB-A weight penalty. And if Avy can make it really perform, all the better.
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    Blatant fwiw I can tell you the avy'd ctd works a charm on my DW bike (5.7c) too. It's not a VPP but closer than a Knolky 4x4.

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    Second ride today. On my first ride, I settled in around 175psi, but I was still at 40% sag. I had to boost pressure to 180 (from 165 stock with spacer) using the same spacer, but that seems to be the proper spot. Trail 3 is best for basic trail applications. Climb has plenty of movement, but also seems to hold the bike up well. I haven't tried it on asphalt yet, but it works well on steep trails. Descend is great. I use 98% of the travel, but it sure feels good.

    I'm 207lbs unkitted and ride a 2013 XL Endo. Add 8 lbs for water and pack. It's a keeper!

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    Subscribed. I just sent Craig my CTD.

    Bike: Yeti sb95
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    Terrain: New England singletrack

    I'll report back in a few weeks.

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    I put in 25 miles on my local AM/DH trails that I ride with a fairly playful and rowdy style. I was previously getting some light bottom out. Talked to Craig on friday and he recommended I run a small spacer. I tried the small spacer and it helped but I still bottomed on a few really hard hits. Next I did the same loop with the next size up in spacers at the same psi. This resulted in about 4% less sag so I dropped 5 psi to get back to 30%. The ride felt about the same, maybe a little better (could be in my head). I'm wondering if the larger spacer with 5psi less equaled the same thing as small spacer with 5psi more??? Maybe Craig can answer this for me. I left it in trail 2 for all the singletrack parts and climb for the road climb back up. Trail 2 has enough LSC to give the bike support and a lively feel. Climb is pretty active but does support the bike slightly better than any of the trail modes. One thing is for sure that it's not a lockout anymore.
    Overall I am really happy with the tune. I played around with the rebound a little and I think Craig had it nailed on the first try. I slowed it by 2 clicks and it felt kind of dead. I then increased rebound speed by two clicks and it kinda felt like it wanted to buck on sharp fast hits.

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    3rd 4th and 5th rides this past weekend. 182psi and it's golden! Very satisfied up, down and sideways. I still might put a different spacer in, but right now - I am one happy camper. Thanks Craig!

    edit: don't worry, I won't post a response after every ride. I'll only report back if I discover something. Carry on!

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    Thanks Herz for the update! I'm going to send my CTD to Craig soon.

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    Good stuff here, thanks for all the info. I'm considering getting my float ctd avy'd for my spitfire v2. The ks link has an amazing feel, especially at speed, but the stock float ctd is such a piece of crap, especially when you consider the msrp. Prior to my spitfire I had a v2 rune with a dbair. I rarely was able to bottom that shock out, but on the float ctd, I bottom it out on all kinds of medium size hits. I definitely miss the ramp up and bottom out support of the dbair, and the vector air which I had on my rune v1. Quite honestly, I'm not sure why there are so many fox fanboys out there. Rock shox and Xfusion both make superior suspension products.

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    CTD off to Craig via FedEx this morning.

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I'm eagerly awaiting a new RP23 from Avalanche and considering also getting my Fox 34 150mm done as well as it is the evolution series and not the greatest feeling shock out of the box.

    Anyone get a Fox 34 done yet?
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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I have my CTD on one bike so fade great but the snow is still on the trails and I just got a DHX5 done too. Unfortunately I don't see they trails being rideable until mid April.


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    I've got a Chilcotin with a Boost Valve Kashima RP23. Would love to get the Avy mod for ultimate downhill performance, but I also do a lot of smooth climbing (often dirt roads) where suspension bob is your worst enemy and makes a 10 mile climb seem like 50 miles. To gain pedaling efficiency, I actually like the stiff setting on the RP23 for smooth climbs like this...but then I also like to bomb rowdy downhills. I noticed a lot of people in this thread mention the lack of a stiff setting on their Avy'd shock. More thoughts on how the Avy'd RP23 would perform on long smooth climbs? Anyone know if it's possible for Craig to custom tune a "stiff" shock setting?

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    Craig can tune the shock any way you like. That's the great thing about custom! Thing is there will always be some compromise. Our riding here is similar generally they start with a long climb often on forest service roads. In my case I favoured downhill for ultimate pedalling efficiency about a 70 to 30 ratio. I ride a single pivot though which provides plenty of anti squat and I'm not a stand up masher on those types of climbs so body weight shifts that can contribute to bob is not an issue for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanderson View Post
    I've got a Chilcotin with a Boost Valve Kashima RP23. Would love to get the Avy mod for ultimate downhill performance, but I also do a lot of smooth climbing (often dirt roads) where suspension bob is your worst enemy and makes a 10 mile climb seem like 50 miles. To gain pedaling efficiency, I actually like the stiff setting on the RP23 for smooth climbs like this...but then I also like to bomb rowdy downhills. I noticed a lot of people in this thread mention the lack of a stiff setting on their Avy'd shock. More thoughts on how the Avy'd RP23 would perform on long smooth climbs? Anyone know if it's possible for Craig to custom tune a "stiff" shock setting?
    Yes, we offer a standard SSD/HSB and a firmer SSD/HSB tune, select the firmer option and tell us more about the pedaling performance you want as compared to descend and we can valve it accordingly. The climb mode will still feel firm enough for pedaling but actually perform better over bumps as compared to the boost valve threshold system that we remove.

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    Excellent, that's what I was hoping to hear. Thanks, Craig!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Yes, we offer a standard SSD/HSB and a firmer SSD/HSB tune, select the firmer option and tell us more about the pedaling performance you want as compared to descend and we can valve it accordingly. The climb mode will still feel firm enough for pedaling but actually perform better over bumps as compared to the boost valve threshold system that we remove.
    Craig, I'm about to send in my CTD to you. Is it only firm vs. standard tune or can I choose varying degrees in between?

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    I decided to Avy the CTD on my 13 Endorphin. After a few rides I can say that I am happy with the improvements Craig made to the shock. I asked for the standard tune and it feels great with the Endorphins suspension curve. The biggest improvement is in the mid range support.

    I can actually use the descend mode now due to the added support. Prior to the Avy tune it was hard to predict what was happening at the back of the bike in descend. I have also noticed better control for jumping in both descend and trail modes. Jumping now feels controlled and is almost as good as the Chilcotin/Woodie set up.

    The only place I did not see improvement was on high speed chatter. From what I understand, the Endorphin's suspension curve was not designed to be soft like the Chilcotin and that is the price you pay for performance in other areas.

    Climb mode is less stiff and I will probably just use the trail and descend modes for simplicity. I did notice better traction at the rear wheel on steep climbs. With the stock CTD and DBair, I never seemed to have the rear tire traction that I expected. Again, technical climbing now rivals the Chilcotin/Woodie set up. (with exception of the low bb on the Endo)

    Craig was not able to predict if his mods will improve reliability of the Fox CTD. However, he did say with the boost valve gone, it should be better. Looking forward to another season on the Endorphin. As a bigger rider I did not think this shock would ever work for me, I was wrong.
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    So far it sounds like everyone has opted for the "Standard SSD/HSB low speed Threshold option." The reviews make it sound like there is no pedal performance loss for actual on-trail riding. Kinda sounds like trail riding may be better with some added traction and a little more suspension action on the chunky climbs?

    The added platform from the Climb position is only missing for people on "to the trail" riding? (asphalt, dirt roads)

    I have the CCBDA-CS now and it just isn't delivering. I have the settings pretty close to the recommended and have a large volume reducer installed. The shock feels a lot better with the reducer but I am not completely satisfied with the technical climbing. For me the Chilcotin is better at technical climbs. The Endo feels like it skips around too much and doesn't track very well. To get the Knolly climbing trait out of the Endo I have to drop the PSI, but then when heading downhill it bottoms too easily. Maybe getting an Avy'd CTD could get the Endo closer to the Chili for tech climbs. Or maybe the Endo wasn't meant to climb like the Chili?
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    Also, has anyone opted for this:

    "Optional ABS(anti-bottoming system) available for more aggressive and bigger riders or smaller riders on regressive linkage frame"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    So far it sounds like everyone has opted for the "Standard SSD/HSB low speed Threshold option." The reviews make it sound like there is no pedal performance loss for actual on-trail riding. Kinda sounds like trail riding may be better with some added traction and a little more suspension action on the chunky climbs?

    The added platform from the Climb position is only missing for people on "to the trail" riding? (asphalt, dirt roads)

    I have the CCBDA-CS now and it just isn't delivering. I have the settings pretty close to the recommended and have a large volume reducer installed. The shock feels a lot better with the reducer but I am not completely satisfied with the technical climbing. For me the Chilcotin is better at technical climbs. The Endo feels like it skips around too much and doesn't track very well. To get the Knolly climbing trait out of the Endo I have to drop the PSI, but then when heading downhill it bottoms too easily. Maybe getting an Avy'd CTD could get the Endo closer to the Chili for tech climbs. Or maybe the Endo wasn't meant to climb like the Chili?
    I much prefer the Chili when it comes time to climb tech. There are a few rides at SOMO where I will ride the Endo, but usually I am willing to carry the extra heft of the Chili around for the added climbing or descending performance. I don't notice that the Endo skips around on tech climbs, but I do notice that I have less success clearing thing that I regularly clean on the Chili.

    The Endo and Chili each have their place. Rarely do I find myself debating which bike to ride. Tech and chunky...Chili....fast and flowy (as fast and flowy as AZ can be anyway)...Endo. I have a stock CTD on the Endo BTW. I'd love to try a CCDB coil on it sometime.
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    I just ordered the standard tune for the Fox CTD on my endorphin. It was slightly seeping oil, so I figured this is a good time. I told Craig that tiSS'er is his best salesperson, and he is well aware of this. He said it will take 2-3 weeks before he is ready to do the work on mine, so if you've been contemplating this modification I would contact Avalanche soon, due to the wait--spring has sprung!

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Well had my first real ride today on my new Avalanche rp23 installed on my 2014 Heckler... I'll start by saying if your on the fence get off and call Craig now. As I just posted on another thread everything improved dramatically, small bump through to fast big hits. In the Hecklers case I have plenty of anti squat so I don't miss the climb mode of the ctd if your bike has low or no anti squat your results may vary. I've been around long enough to not expect much in terms of performance gains for certain changes to my ride but this honestly had me giggling all ride long. I took the roughest sections on purpose today to see if I could find the limit and came away so impressed. I now understand when someone describes one half of their suspension not keeping up with the other, I can't wait till my Avalanche fork cartridge arrives!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Well had my first real ride today on my new Avalanche rp23 installed on my 2014 Heckler... I'll start by saying if your on the fence get off and call Craig now. As I just posted on another thread everything improved dramatically, small bump through to fast big hits. In the Hecklers case I have plenty of anti squat so I don't miss the climb mode of the ctd if your bike has low or no anti squat your results may vary. I've been around long enough to not expect much in terms of performance gains for certain changes to my ride but this honestly had me giggling all ride long. I took the roughest sections on purpose today to see if I could find the limit and came away so impressed. I now understand when someone describes one half of their suspension not keeping up with the other, I can't wait till my Avalanche fork cartridge arrives!!!


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    Hi Folks,

    Received my Ava Fox 34 cartridge. Craig recommends following Fox's instructions regarding the air side of the fork. If that is the case then that would be adding 20ml of 10wt green oil into it. Are folks out there doing this? Or are you using the 85/150 5w that Craig recommends for the damper side? I don't have any 10wt Fox stuff as its tough to find but do have some Belray 5wt... Inquiring minds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Hi Folks,

    Received my Ava Fox 34 cartridge. Craig recommends following Fox's instructions regarding the air side of the fork. If that is the case then that would be adding 20ml of 10wt green oil into it. Are folks out there doing this? Or are you using the 85/150 5w that Craig recommends for the damper side? I don't have any 10wt Fox stuff as its tough to find but do have some Belray 5wt... Inquiring minds?

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    Is this for the lower lubrication? Belray 5wt will be fine, no need for the special "Fox" branded stuff.
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    Thanks tiss. This is for lower. So then presumably the same Honda hp5 5wt stuff I'm using in the damper side should be fine then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Thanks tiss. This is for lower. So then presumably the same Honda hp5 5wt stuff I'm using in the damper side should be fine then?

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Finished the install of the Avalanche damper into my Fox 34 Evolution.

    I ordered the complete set with optional ABS system.

    Things I learned not made expressly clear on the instructions (you can always call Craig for help he’s awesome.)

    -Follow Fox 34 oil change procedures for oil draining and re-install of the air side. Fox 34 Float Evo 27.5 takes 30cc of Fox 10wt green on the air side (check Fox for your forks specs.)
    -2014 Fox 34 Float Evo uses a 26mm 6 point ratchet on the damper side. You can also use a crows foot (which works with a torque wrench if your re-installing, just look up the math as there is a change to the torque numbers.) If you don't care (like me) about he existing damper any adjustable wrench will work, I did manage to remove mine without damage using one.
    -Before closing up the air side put in the appropriate Fox oil.
    -Re torque specs for Fox air side retaining nut they recommend 35 in/ib
    -When adding oil to the new Avy damper side. Use the top cap to cycle the damper, then remove it and compress fully before measuring the oil height. Also ensure the fork is fully compressed. Check your custom sheet for your oil height.
    -Before threading on the Avy top cap to the fork add some air to lift the fork up and prevent a vacuum from forming in the damper. Fox recommends 220in/lb I converted this to ft/lb as I found it much easier to torque to that spec with a larger torque wrench.

    First ride impressions (some of these thoughts extend to the Avy rear shock as well), coming from a layman I tend to describe less in technical terms and more about how it felt:

    To sum up in one word; control. When I embarked on this endeavour my primary reason for upgrading so I thought was simply to improve compliance or bump absorption without resorting to running the suspension so soft it felt like riding a wet noodle. To say that the Avalanche suspension accomplished this goal seems almost trite, as it has done so much more. Thing is I didn’t know what I didn’t know, like:

    It was possible to have fantastic small/large bump absorption and keep the suspension at ideal sag levels (22-25 F, 30 R)

    I wouldn’t need a “climb” mode (or any other 1 click wonder mode change - I hated having to flip that bloody switch) and still be able to climb fire road or technical terrain without wallow. Or to bomb down a run at speed. Current setting as it arrived from Avalanche. Though I will be adjusting the compression settings slightly despite my best efforts last night I never hit bottom. Unbelievably (as it already feels like I gained 2 extra inches with the upgrade) I still have more travel to enjoy!

    Suspension could feel progressively better the faster I went, not pack down or get “overwhelmed” but continue to keep the wheels on the ground and me comfortable on top of the bike.

    Support you in high speed bermed turns, almost like the suspension knows that while this section is not bumpy, it is fast and the g forces are pushing me down and in towards the berm so its going to keep me at the right spot not too low but enough to apply extra pressure on my tires to help me dig in.

    Improve braking feel, limiting dive, or wallow in slow speed tech up or down, again without having to flip switches (ya I can’t stand flipping switches).

    Drops could be composed; the suspension has transformed these trail features from a hairy experience to a predicable and fun part of the ride.

    Its only been a few rides on the rear shock and one on the forks but I pushed that bike hard yesterday night and did steep rolls and drops I had never attempted before. Perhaps a better word to describe the experience would be: inspiring.

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    Anybody know what service time is at Avalanche right now?
    I'm weighing my options and there are some good deals to be had on CTD Kashima take offs right now. I'd like to pick one up and ship it straight off to have the SSD/HSB treatment done.
    However....
    If their turnaround time is not looking good, I may opt for Plan B. Monarch Plus and tune it as best I can on my own.
    I need something in the next few weeks for some bigger trips we've got planned. Price comes out to be about the same with these two options, and I assume they'll both be awesome upgrades, so I'll do whichever will get me the awesome when I need it. Soon.

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    I would call Craig and see how he's looking, plus you can pick his brain about stuff while you have him on the phone.
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    I just placed an order for rp23 tune on Monday. I was told 4-5 weeks.

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Glad I did my two shocks with snow on the ground in Feb. but worth the 4-5 week wait !!!!!


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    Agreed, you will not get better performance out of a lighter package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Anybody know what service time is at Avalanche right now?
    I'm weighing my options and there are some good deals to be had on CTD Kashima take offs right now. I'd like to pick one up and ship it straight off to have the SSD/HSB treatment done.
    However....
    If their turnaround time is not looking good, I may opt for Plan B. Monarch Plus and tune it as best I can on my own.
    I need something in the next few weeks for some bigger trips we've got planned. Price comes out to be about the same with these two options, and I assume they'll both be awesome upgrades, so I'll do whichever will get me the awesome when I need it. Soon.
    I got my shock back about 10 days ago. I had to wait about 3 weeks until they were ready to work on mine..

    I've only had one ride on the serviced shock, but I am very impressed with the improvement. Most notably is a vast improvement with square edged impacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I would call Craig and see how he's looking, plus you can pick his brain about stuff while you have him on the phone.
    Tried that. Called 3 times today and no answer.
    Emailed too and no reply.
    Kind of expecting to see some response in here too.
    Gonna try to decide tomorrow on an Avalanche'd CTD or wait for a Debonair. Doesn't sound like either one is likely to get on the bike before June 1st.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Tried that. Called 3 times today and no answer.
    Emailed too and no reply.
    Kind of expecting to see some response in here too.
    Gonna try to decide tomorrow on an Avalanche'd CTD or wait for a Debonair. Doesn't sound like either one is likely to get on the bike before June 1st.......
    He must be slammed then, I called earlier this week and got ahold of him for a few minutes.
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    I'm curious, any of you Knolly guys tried the Inline and able to compare it to the Avy CTD upgrades?

    I don't ride a Knolly, but I'm interested in getting a high-performance ligthweight shock that isn't as heavy as my Monarch+ Debonair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I'm curious, any of you Knolly guys tried the Inline and able to compare it to the Avy CTD upgrades?

    I don't ride a Knolly, but I'm interested in getting a high-performance ligthweight shock that isn't as heavy as my Monarch+ Debonair.
    I've had a few guys email me that they prefer the Avy CTD over the CCDBA. When I build my Warden I will likely go this route.
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    At what point would the CCDBA or Debonair be a better choice? I assume if you're doing a lot of really long downhills the piggyback will help with fade, but otherwise it seems like a toss up.
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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    You nailed it. I have two Avy'd shocks and am very happy. A CTD and a DHX5. The DHX is on the bigger bike. It's also a cheaper option if your frame / bike comes with a Fox shock already. I find the Avy'd shocks easier to set up also. Never quite got the CCDBA to feel "right".


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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    I'm curious, any of you Knolly guys tried the Inline and able to compare it to the Avy CTD upgrades?

    I don't ride a Knolly, but I'm interested in getting a high-performance ligthweight shock that isn't as heavy as my Monarch+ Debonair.
    I've got a DB Inline on order and a Avy RP23 on my Chilcotin right now. Love the Avy RP23 on the downs, best shock I've ever had for DH, but I'd really like to be able to dial in more platform for climbs. I do a lot of long rides with smooth climbs, but then rowdy descents. I definitely push the XC end of my Chilcotin just to have a **** eating grin for the downs. I've found I need a little more control and efficiency on the way up like I'm able to dial in with my CCDB Coil, just without the weight. Will give a report when I get my Inline and have some rides on it.

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    Wouldn't the Avalanche CTD allow for a more firm climbing platform? I guess that is something the RP23 was lacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Wouldn't the Avalanche CTD allow for a more firm climbing platform? I guess that is something the RP23 was lacking.
    In my experience, the shock feels more active over small bumps than stock, and waaaay more controlled at absorbing big hits. Great for slow technical climbing, tons of traction. Great for fast DH's. Not so great for smooth climbing, a little too much bob for my taste, especially with the Chilcotin's inherently active suspension. I also got the "firm" threshold option Avy offers. It's acceptable performance for sure, especially if I dial the rebound all the way up. Loads better than the stock RP23. I just think I'd prefer something with low speed compression adjustment and a platform lever so that I can tighten things up for long climbs.

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    Got an answer from craig, that was quick! if anyone is curious, because fox uses different parts for the same fork, the only way to know if you can use the standard ABS feature is to open the fork and check. if you don't have that groove though, they can built it into the cartridge in the same way they do for a fox 36, but there is an (understandable) upcharge

    I'm leaning toward an avy cartride for my 2014 fox 34 talas 27.5, and i'm planning on installing it myself, but there's one part of the instructions that are confusing to me, maybe you guys could help me out. from here:

    http://www.avalanchedownhillracing.c...034%20Assy.pdf

    under "Installing the ABS Bottoming Ring", it says

    On the damper stanchion check for a snap ring groove at the bottom, some stanchions do not have the groove and the oil lock ring cannot be used with this fork and cartridge. Not to worry the hydraulic anti-bottoming system is secondary as compared to the air spring ramp-up created by the air side and is not required for most fork set-ups.
    This sounds like some of the stanchions manufactured just plain don't have the ability to utilize the ABS system. is this correct? I'm assuming the only way to be sure about this is to open up the fork and look at the bottom of the stanchion?
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    They will be rebuilding ctd evolution shocks in the new year to have the same build as the ctd factory shocks. I plan on matching suspension for my current evolution parts on my range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhtopilko View Post
    They will be rebuilding ctd evolution shocks in the new year to have the same build as the ctd factory shocks. I plan on matching suspension for my current evolution parts on my range.
    Did Craig just tell you this? I had a friend call about getting the AVY SSD mod on his Float EVO shock a couple weeks ago and they told him they weren't working on them.

    Seriously considering doing this on the Float CTD Kashima shock that came stock on the 5010c. Not a bad shock but it has its limitations for sure..... especially now that I've upgraded the fork. It's fairly plush in the small stuff and controlled in the mid-range as long as the chop isn't too abrupt or the speeds aren't too high (running 30% sag), as soon as the speeds pick up or the chop gets worse or I start hitting bigger drops and gap it gets overwhelmed easily and bottoms too easily. I may try some volume reducers first to see if I can keep the plush initial stroke while adding some ramp up, but it sounds like I'll end up with the AVY mods.

    So if I'm ordering a new endo, do I spend the extra for the DB inline or order it with the Fox CTD then send it to Craig for the massage?
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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Kent the avy'd CTD was a massive improvement on my Mach 5.7c. I think it depends on the upcharge for an inline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Did Craig just tell you this? I had a friend call about getting the AVY SSD mod on his Float EVO shock a couple weeks ago and they told him they weren't working on them.

    Seriously considering doing this on the Float CTD Kashima shock that came stock on the 5010c. Not a bad shock but it has its limitations for sure..... especially now that I've upgraded the fork. It's fairly plush in the small stuff and controlled in the mid-range as long as the chop isn't too abrupt or the speeds aren't too high (running 30% sag), as soon as the speeds pick up or the chop gets worse or I start hitting bigger drops and gap it gets overwhelmed easily and bottoms too easily. I may try some volume reducers first to see if I can keep the plush initial stroke while adding some ramp up, but it sounds like I'll end up with the AVY mods.

    So if I'm ordering a new endo, do I spend the extra for the DB inline or order it with the Fox CTD then send it to Craig for the massage?
    Yes, we have decided to design new internals for the Fox Float CTD evolution shocks so we can offer the same modifications we do for the Float CTD Factory and Performance series shocks.

    This is what we post on our pages over the weekend:
    "Great news for Evolution Shock owners!
    Coming soon, please read!

    We are pleased to announce our SSD/HSB conversion kit that makes your Evolution shock internally similar to the Factory/Performance/RP23 shocks. Anticipated price $229.

    The Evolution series shocks were not compatible with our SSD/HSB mods, as they have no low speed compression threshold adjustment circuit and no rebound valving to revalve. Up until these mods were available, we could only make them marginally better as a last resort and only recommend this if it is the only shock that's available that fits your frame."

    Float CTD and RP23 SSD Modifications

    Hoping to have the designs and parts produced by the end of February 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crseekins View Post
    Yes, we have decided to design new internals for the Fox Float CTD evolution shocks so we can offer the same modifications we do for the Float CTD Factory and Performance series shocks.

    This is what we post on our pages over the weekend:
    "Great news for Evolution Shock owners!
    Coming soon, please read!

    We are pleased to announce our SSD/HSB conversion kit that makes your Evolution shock internally similar to the Factory/Performance/RP23 shocks. Anticipated price $229.

    The Evolution series shocks were not compatible with our SSD/HSB mods, as they have no low speed compression threshold adjustment circuit and no rebound valving to revalve. Up until these mods were available, we could only make them marginally better as a last resort and only recommend this if it is the only shock that's available that fits your frame."

    Float CTD and RP23 SSD Modifications

    Hoping to have the designs and parts produced by the end of February 2015.
    Great work Craig, I'm excited to see others experiencing your magic. I may have some work for you in the coming months.
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    i am a bit confused and new to all these terms.
    A new warden frame comes with the fox ctd factory shock.
    is this shock is Avy'd shock? what does Avy means? (Avalanch - some kind of a modification workshop?)

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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    Yes. Clicking on the links would help you understand. But avalanche is a custom tuning outfit that also sells their own shocks and forks. The beauty is that they can make a silk purse out of a sows ear and turn a pretty crappy shock like a float CTD into a much better performing unit. They will custom tune it based on your suspension design, weight and riding style. They also make cartridges for forks that do the same thing.

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    Has anyone asked Avalanche about the possibility of a RS Domain Fork or Kage shock avy upgrade? I feel like they would get the greatest performance increase out of any of the coil forks and shocks since they use such low end damping

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    If leave my Bronson (CTD Evo) in descend mode all the time. If that's the case, will I be ok with the "standard" Avy tune or would I want to consider "firm"? I ride all the trails in Santa Cruz which are mostly single track and fire roads. No super long downhill runs. I ride up and down, no shuttles so I'd like it to climb as well as it does now in descend.

    Thx!

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    What's the deal with getting Avy shocks serviced? I kind of assumed once they do all their modifications that they were the ones who would have to do all your service (other than basic air sleeve job), but the website doesn't mention anything about basic service. The prices are only for the original Avy Mod.
    Any thoughts? (other than the fact that most people never have their shocks serviced...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    What's the deal with getting Avy shocks serviced? I kind of assumed once they do all their modifications that they were the ones who would have to do all your service (other than basic air sleeve job), but the website doesn't mention anything about basic service. The prices are only for the original Avy Mod.
    Any thoughts? (other than the fact that most people never have their shocks serviced...)
    Just added and clarified the website as to service of Avy Advantage shocks.
    Avalanche service

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    Great. That really helps.
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    Any further feedback on the Fox CTD upgrade?

    I have a CTD Factory shock on my Carbine and while I would rather get a better shock platform like the Float X and have that sent to Craig, I need to cut back on spending $$$ these days.

    My issue is I hate switches on suspension as my rides involve ups and downs; I don't have time to switch back and forth.

    Have any of you tried the new fox air cans or the Vorsprung corset sleeve with your Avy'd CTD shocks?
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    Avalanche now servicing Fox CTDs

    I spoke with Craig about the air sleeve and while he appreciated the innovation and the concept he said it would add little to one of his customized shocks... Re the performance of the customization post Craig's work it's like night and day I've gushed about his work before so I won't expound on it here again, suffice to say that Craig truly understands how suspension should operate and I put my faith in his work with suspension on my bike entirely.


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    My factory ctd was garbage then I sent it to Avy now is just about perfect. I never think about the shock at all anymore it just disappeared. I leave it in the middle all the time big climbs and long rough downs here in WA. Do it.

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    Ok good to know. Knowing how I ride, I'll be leaving it in one setting for up and down... unless there's a long climb up somewhere. I've had a couple of his cartridges, two shocks tuned and put a Woodie on my DH bike. So I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with that Fox CTD.

    Any comments on small bump sensitivity?

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