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    Anybody have news from the private unveil at Interbike?

    I was at Interbike yesterday staffing the booth with DSP Racing, I saw a bit from Knolly Bikes on their Facebook page about a private unveil yesterday in their suite although I couldnt get invited. Anybody get to go or was it a "for your eyes only" affair?
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    Knolly sure likes to unveil new things at interbike that people weren't expecting...

    In 2009, the word was out about the finalized product for the podium but there was also a brand new Delirium and a prototype Endorphin SL
    For 2010, people were expecting the endorphin sl but they were given a Chilcotin also.
    What will there be for 2012?

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    29er mayhaps???????

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    Somebody please give up the goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    29er mayhaps???????
    Close....

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    NICE!

    I still can't get on board with 29ers but I think the 27.5 size might be a pretty sweet compromise. Can't wait to try one!

    Is that a Chilcotin or an Endorphin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parabellum View Post
    Is that a Chilcotin or an Endorphin?
    The answer is: BOTH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    The answer is: BOTH.
    Jebus, someone please come out with a 650b 160-170mm beefy fork now!
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    I'm a little annoyed by that picture, because I can't see if it has the weld of death or not.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    All-new 3D swing link design for Chilcotin and Endorphin:

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    More please

    When will the 650b version be available and when will you ship the updated Chilcotins (any other changes)?

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    Dammit! And I just bought a chilcotin! Oh well...

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    Keep em coming K, good stuff! Is the link forged not machined on the new ones or is that just a painted one? What's the thought on the redesign, save a bit of weight or stronger? Any crabon protos floating around at this event?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    All-new 3D swing link design for Chilcotin and Endorphin:
    Ahahahahaaaa ROTFLOL!
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    Probably answering my own question but much shorter/stronger bolt there eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Probably answering my own question but much shorter/stronger bolt there eh?
    Bolt is 20mm shorter, 50% stronger, and setup is 40g lighter.

    That's what we call a win/win/win.

    Noel gave a 30 minute class on 'bolt technology & philosophy' at our happy hour yesterday. It is pretty amazing how much thought goes into all of it... grade, length, shank length, thread length, thread pitch, etc. Everyone was nerding out on bolts, it was pretty funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Bolt is 20mm shorter, 50% stronger, and setup is 40g lighter.

    That's what we call a win/win/win.

    Noel gave a 30 minute class on 'bolt technology & philosophy' at our happy hour yesterday. It is pretty amazing how much thought goes into all of it... grade, length, shank length, thread length, thread pitch, etc. Everyone was nerding out on bolts, it was pretty funny.
    So what did you do in Vegas? Oh, I sat around with a bunch of dudes drinking and talking about bolts. Hahahaha, coming from Noel I know that would actually be a very interesting and entertaining discussion though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    All-new 3D swing link design for Chilcotin and Endorphin:

    Can you retrofit that onto a current Chilcotin frame? And if so, when is it available for purchase?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couch_Surfer View Post
    Can you retrofit that onto a current Chilcotin frame? And if so, when is it available for purchase?
    We will be offering a retro kit, in a couple months.
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    So its the Endocotin? So nuts and bolts huh, maybe I'm glad you didn't invite me. If 650B is done right, I think its the future of the sport. My favorite bike of the Outdoor Demo was the Intense Carbine 275. That thing just motored over everything, up and down. I was riding the DH trails on it at Bootleg like I was on my Delirium. On the other hand, hated the Turner Burner, I just dont get along with DW links.

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    sweet, can't wait for the full pics. when will it be fully revealed?

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    I hope it's a few months off still. My bank account can't take another hit so soon after my Banshee Prime build

    Any geometry figures available yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    Close....


    I spy...a Chilcotin front triangle, Endorphin links, and custom 27.5 stays????
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    For those who are close to considering putting a deposit down on an Endo (but would def prefer the 650 version), can we get a little info on how to work the order with our LBS? Like will it be retrofit only, separate frame to order, etc?

    Thanks, man. That preview made my day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chargerfan View Post
    For those who are close to considering putting a deposit down on an Endo (but would def prefer the 650 version), can we get a little info on how to work the order with our LBS? Like will it be retrofit only, separate frame to order, etc?

    Thanks, man. That preview made my day.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    More please

    When will the 650b version be available and when will you ship the updated Chilcotins (any other changes)?
    what do you mean by saying updated? i might have missed something but as i ordered one 2 weeks ago, i would liek to know if it has changes and if so, wich ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfredo View Post
    what do you mean by saying updated? i might have missed something but as i ordered one 2 weeks ago, i would liek to know if it has changes and if so, wich ones?
    New Linkage (forged 3D). Will be available for upgrade in a couple of month (quote from Dusty Bottoms).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    New Linkage (forged 3D). Will be available for upgrade in a couple of month (quote from Dusty Bottoms).
    well, ok. thought i missed something else. so actual batches not affected by this update. thx

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    you guys missed out!!

    pleasure meeting you Kevin! Oh & that Noel guy..

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    Awesome....need more info please Dusty & Noel.

    I rode an Enduro race course y'day eve with a former pro / sponsored DH racer - it was his first ride on a 650b bike and he was visibly impressed (and i was jealous). Much preferred to his former 29'er for manouverability and had many benefits of the 29'er.

    I am super excited about this news from Knolly. Congratulations Noel. Continuing to reach new heights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chargerfan View Post
    For those who are close to considering putting a deposit down on an Endo (but would def prefer the 650 version), can we get a little info on how to work the order with our LBS? Like will it be retrofit only, separate frame to order, etc?

    Thanks, man. That preview made my day.


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    650 will NOT be a retrofit for current 26" models, since you would end up with a 15.5" bb height. The 650's will be all new models... new stays and new front triangle.
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    3d link

    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    We will be offering a retro kit, in a couple months.
    i just ordered a chilcotin 9-21 and there is a new 3d swing link unveiled at the interbike. i wishing i am gonna get this 3d swing link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    650 will NOT be a retrofit for current 26" models, since you would end up with a 15.5" bb height. The 650's will be all new models... new stays and new front triangle.
    What's the travel going to be on the 27.5?

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    I need to understand this 650b craze going on.
    If jackasses could fly this place would be an airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    650 will NOT be a retrofit for current 26" models, since you would end up with a 15.5" bb height. The 650's will be all new models... new stays and new front triangle.
    That is not a problem, I've had my Quasi that high and it works very well. If you can turn a low bike you can turn a high bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I need to understand this 650b craze going on.
    Advantages:

    -- lower rolling resistance
    -- better traction
    -- smoother ride (doesn't fall as deep into holes)
    -- easier over obstacles

    Disadvantages:

    -- geometry limitations
    -- higher center of gravity
    -- suspension travel limitations
    -- less flickable gyroscopic effect - YouTube

    Two short articles (one more anti and one more pro, IMO):
    26" vs 27.5" (650b) vs 29"
    Guide To 650b Wheels - BikeRadar
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I need to understand this 650b craze going on.
    In my eyes it really boils down to this:
    Big wheels roll over stuff better
    27.5/650b alows that without gargantuan chainstay lengths like 29ers.

    Really a formula for the one do-it-all bike once the tire and fork options become available. In the meantime, a Chilcotin with nice high volume tires that are nearly the same radius as most the available 650b tires is treating me really well! 650b will be really interesting when the 2.4 Trail Kings and a couple of the high volume Schwalbes are up for sale.
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    Interesting, thanks. I kinda of assumed this was the reasoning, but hadn't really looked into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    So its the Endocotin?
    I like Childorphin better!

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    On the other hand, hated the Turner Burner, I just dont get along with DW links.
    Really? Hate is such a strong word. OTOH I'm pretty excited about this new 650b Chilli.
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    Yeah, hate works for me. It just didnt work for me, with all the hype about it, I was very disappointed.

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    Dusty

    Is the shock size on the 650b different to current 26 Endo/Chili frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    So what did you do in Vegas? Oh, I sat around with a bunch of dudes drinking and talking about bolts.

    Better than sitting around in Vegas talking about nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loamranger View Post
    Dusty

    Is the shock size on the 650b different to current 26 Endo/Chili frames?
    Same shock size and stroke...

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    teasing is boring, you going to show the whole 650 bike or wha LOLt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    That is not a problem, I've had my Quasi that high and it works very well. If you can turn a low bike you can turn a high bike.
    Yeah, sign me up too! I am totally sick of the low bracket trend. That might be the one way to get me excited about a 650b bike!

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    Riding a 650b bike doesn't mean you have a higher bottom bracket! Just look at the numbers. Intense Tracer 275 for example has a 13.3" BB.
    Even most 29ers with modern geometry have low bottom brackets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadl View Post
    Riding a 650b bike doesn't mean you have a higher bottom bracket! Just look at the numbers. Intense Tracer 275 for example has a 13.3" BB.
    Even most 29ers with modern geometry have low bottom brackets.
    i does if you throw 650b wheels on a frame designed for 26". that's where the high bb comment came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbert2000 View Post
    i does if you throw 650b wheels on a frame designed for 26". that's where the high bb comment came from.
    why would anyone sane do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethimus View Post
    why would anyone sane do this?
    650b on a Chilcotin - with Pics!

    you tell me

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