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    Advice on first Knolly!

    Looking strongly at getting a Endorphin frame in a size XL. Will be coming from a carbon Nomad with a 170mm Zoke 55. What is the maximum fork length recommended for the new Endorphin? Is a Zoke 55 too tall? Does anyone have an experience using a 36 160mm Talas? Any help is greatly appreciated.

    I don't think I have ever seen a Knolly in our area, but researching about this frame has got me pretty stoked.
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    I don't think you would want to go longer than 160mm. The recommended fork travel is 140-160. Can you drop your 55 to 160mm?

    Expect a lighter, quicker, snappier and better climbing bike compared to the Nomad. You will lose some of the plushness of a 160mm travel bike.

    If I could run any of the current forks on my Endo I would go with the new Pike at 150mm. Right now I am running a 150 Revelation and don't have many complaints.

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    Couldn't agree more. I came off a Nomad Mk1 to Endo with a Xfusion slant at 150. The endo is alot faster, stiffer and better climber. I haven't noticed a difference coming from a fox 36 160 to a 34 at 150. If this is your one bike put a 36 at 160 on there.

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    The Endo was designed around a 150mm fork and maxes out at 160mm, so you'd be fine with a 36. I've ridden it with a 150mm Rev and now I'm sporting a 160mm Pike. It rides very well with the 160 but I'm thinking I prefer it at 150mm. The Endo is incredibly snappy and RAILS like a mofo, but it loses a bit of that snappyness with the taller fork.

    You should consider the Pike for your fork choice. It's not as stiff as the 36 but matches up with the Endo really nicely and saves a bunch of weight.

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    Awesome! Thank you for the replies. Unfortunately, I don't believe I can drop my 55 to 160mm, or even lower. I am thinking about getting the ano black frame, so the black Pike would look pretty BA. Now starting to think 150mm might be better because I already have a DH bike and a 29er hardtail, so this should fall right in between.

    I don't have the ability to test ride the bike prior (as no one in our area carries them), so it is good to hear the positive replies about how this bike performs. Can anyone recommend a reputable dealer of Knolly in the USA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProphet View Post
    Can anyone recommend a reputable dealer of Knolly in the USA?
    Wrench Science in Berkeley, CA. Ask for Brian, he's the sales manager and Knolly specialist.

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    I have an XL Endo and I've run a Marz 55 (160/120 TA) straight steerer with zero-stack and I am now running a Slant (160/130 DLA) with a tapered steerer requiring an additional 10mm of external cup lower headset. I estimate my head angle at just over 66*. I absolutely love it! No problems climbing and I almost never use the travel adjust. I will probably put the Marzocchi back on when I get it back from the factory. I definitely notice the difference between a 15mm axle on a 34 chassis (Slant) and the 20mm t-a on a 35mm chassis (55). The Slant is a great match for the Endo however. I just like the snowplow effect of burlier forks.

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    I've got a chilcotin with 160mm. It can be ridden xc and does so very well. Can climb well too. Just mentioning it cause if you're coming off a nomad, the chilcotin won't compromise anything on the downhills.

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    I def want to do the Endo. I am looking to downsize a bit in travel as 160mm is overkill for our area. After reading about the Endo, it looks like its an all around playful and fun bike, which I am keen too.

    How would you compare the 4x4 Linkage to VPP? Pros? Cons?

    I think I have decided upon a Black Ano XL with a Pike 150mm Solo in Black. Seems to be the best fit for this frame.
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    I have not owned VPP (well, except on a V-10), but I have ridden a Blur LTc and a Nomad c on some pretty challenging trails. My take is this - VPP, DW link, Maestro, Switch etc. are all designed to have some platform built into the travel to assist in climbing. That platform is always "on" so to speak. You can't turn it off.

    4x4 does not seem to have any platform, thus climbing support has to come from the shock itself. The result in my mind seems to be very smooth suspension action in all situations including braking bumps, small chop, large holes, etc. and superb technical climbing ability (chunky, ledgy, rooty stuff). The downside - if you call it that - is that getting your shock dialed in just right is a must, and if you want to climb mild trails quickly, you better have some assistance from the shock such as the Trail setting on a Fox, or perhaps the climb switch on the new CCDBa-CS LMNOP.

    Bottom line - when it gets chunky and difficult, 4x4 outperforms VPP in my experience. Up and down.


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    Hahaha! Thanks for the insight. Seems to make sense. I will probably stick with the RP23 for now, because that is what came with the bike, but down the road consider the CCDB Air.

    The frame is all ordered up, as well as the fork. Pretty stoked and anxiously awaiting its arrival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheProphet View Post
    Hahaha! Thanks for the insight. Seems to make sense. I will probably stick with the RP23 for now, because that is what came with the bike, but down the road consider the CCDB Air.

    The frame is all ordered up, as well as the fork. Pretty stoked and anxiously awaiting its arrival.
    i hope you mean it'll come with an CTD shock.

    i'm pretty happy with it unlike the matching 34 fork. i am pretty curious to try out a CCDB Air-CS now that it's a factory option.

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    I did mean the CTD shock...I got so used to calling it the RP23 since that's what I have now and I haven't caught up with Fox's marketing acronyms.

    I have never liked the way Fox front forks have felt, but never minded their rear shocks. I am excited to try the new Pike mated with the Endo though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post
    The Endo was designed around a 150mm fork and maxes out at 160mm, so you'd be fine with a 36. I've ridden it with a 150mm Rev and now I'm sporting a 160mm Pike. It rides very well with the 160 but I'm thinking I prefer it at 150mm. The Endo is incredibly snappy and RAILS like a mofo, but it loses a bit of that snappyness with the taller fork.

    You should consider the Pike for your fork choice. It's not as stiff as the 36 but matches up with the Endo really nicely and saves a bunch of weight.
    nice, what rear shock you got on your 'endo with the pike'

    also agree, 36 float lowered to 150
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    Quote Originally Posted by cfrench View Post
    nice, what rear shock you got on your 'endo with the pike'

    also agree, 36 float lowered to 150
    Fox CTD. I'm meh on it, but don't see anything else that excites me right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodyak View Post
    Fox CTD. I'm meh on it, but don't see anything else that excites me right now.
    Exactly the same here with my Pike. Just haven't seen anything that interests me more. But FWIW, I am not putting a coil on the Endo, so that limits the choices considerably.
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