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    looking at the pics,,, the tire looks very close to the chainstay in that top pic,,, wouldnt the tire contact the frame under fast cornering as the wheels flexes,,,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    well, this proves to me that most xcish 650b tires won't be significantly larger than a nice high volume 26er trail tire. My moderatly worn advantage 2.4 on the rear has less than 3/8 inch clearance. As new i'm guessing it was maybe 1/8 of an inch smaller than that tire. I'll take good traction and a sturdier tire on this one. I'd still be curious about a 650b trailbike that was designed to fit something like a 2.4 trail king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    What is "650"? Have I missed something?
    Cue the 650....D

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    all this sniveling over "rep points" is ****ing hilarious.



    lets all do a ball check to make sure there is still hair down there boyzzzZ. 'cause we're all grown men here to talk bikes and **** , RIGHT?

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    Yeah, whoever gave me neg reps for such a benign comment definetly needs to do a ball check. I could care less about rep points, it just bugs me when someone tells me to "go away"! I bet he felt really tough typing that on his keyboard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jstaples View Post
    I just put conti 2.4 trail kings on my endorphin tonight. I bet they give just as much rollover as those small tires on the 650b wheels. In fact, I was riding with my son who was on my 29er and the top of my 26" tires were only about 1.25" below the tops of the 29er tires. The handling of the endorphin, meaty high volume tires, and the rollover of a 650b. No need for a new wheelset.
    I agree! Nobody is arguing that this is something anyone should do.. Just playing with ideas...playing with setup. Lots of people are interested in 650b and there have been several posts in the Knolly forum asking about fitment. I LOVE my endorphin with 26" wheels....but I would see how it rode with 650b if they would fit, just to find out. I would do the same with 29" just to know how it felt....learning is everything :rainbow:
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    I could care less about rep points, it just bugs me when someone tells me to "go away"! I bet he felt really tough typing that on his keyboard.
    Tough to say you don't care when you whine about it every single time. No need to respond to this by the way, we've all heard it.

    Just going to add to everyone who says that the fit might not be so great once you ride the bike. My friend got the biggest tires that he could just barely fit on his 29er and they seem to bulge out and catch his seat stays at inopportune times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedeathstar View Post
    Tough to say you don't care when you whine about it every single time. No need to respond to this by the way, we've all heard it.
    For being my mom and telling me what I can and cannot do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    For being my mom and telling me what I can and cannot do.
    wow, you just can't resist

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    Nope, nor do I want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    Well, this proves to me that most XCish 650b tires won't be significantly larger than a nice high volume 26er trail tire. My moderatly worn Advantage 2.4 on the rear has less than 3/8 inch clearance. As new I'm guessing it was maybe 1/8 of an inch smaller than that tire. I'll take good traction and a sturdier tire on this one. I'd still be curious about a 650b trailbike that was designed to fit something like a 2.4 Trail King.
    Gotta go with catch22 on this. If a 26 x 2.4 provides the same outside diameter as the 27.5 x 2.1 then it isn't offering an improvement in getting over bumps and holes. IMO, it would be worse.

    How would the 27.5 x 2.1 setup compare to a 26 x 2.4 in the following:

    --Tire deflection at same pressure?
    --Rolling resistance?
    --Traction?
    --Which weighs more on the outside part of the wheel (bigger rim and smaller tire or smaller rim and bigger tire)?
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    Just pointing out a trend here...

    The closer a thread gets to discussing 29"ers, the bytchier it gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    For being my mom and telling me what I can and cannot do.
    So, you can turn your 6 inch all mountain el guapo into an xc race bike, and you expect no comments, but you jump all over the OP cause he tried something slightly out of scope here? Hello perspective? Pot calling the kettle black? C'mon Craig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Gotta go with catch22 on this. If a 26 x 2.4 provides the same outside diameter as the 27.5 x 2.1 then it isn't offering an improvement in getting over bumps and holes. IMO, it would be worse.

    How would the 27.5 x 2.1 setup compare to a 26 x 2.4 in the following:

    --Tire deflection at same pressure?
    --Rolling resistance?
    --Traction?
    --Which weighs more on the outside part of the wheel (bigger rim and smaller tire or smaller rim and bigger tire)?
    Definitely not the same as a 26x2.4. The last Chili I built used 2.4 Ardents on Flows and there was ample clearance in the frame...likewise on my buddies (last generation) Endorphin. On my Endorphin (last generation), I cannot even get that same (XC) 650b in the frame without deflating it first, and it rubs as soon as air goes back in. Mos Def a no go on the 650b where a 26x2.4 (minions also fit fine) is good.

    Back to my bigger point: I am not saying a Chili would work well with a 650bx2.1 tire, I was just showing that one could be squeezed into the frame....I would certainly rather run a super fat 26 (HANS DAMPH's are downright filthy on a Chilcotin), but I would also love to ride it with those 650's just to know how it felt. How can one know if they don't try?

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    Oh good, Renegade is here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    So, you can turn your 6 inch all mountain el guapo into an xc race bike, and you expect no comments, but you jump all over the OP cause he tried something slightly out of scope here? Hello perspective? Pot calling the kettle black? C'mon Craig.
    Really? XC race bike? Hardly. Float 36, AM Wheels, Dropper Post, Haven bars, 2x10, chainguide. The idea was a light AM bike I could race at Northstar which is more Enduro type racing. I used the same bike in Super D races too. Never "expected no comments". Never "jumped all over the the OP" either, I just dont understand why someone would stuff larger wheels in a frame and mess up the geometry, why not try a frame designed for the wheel size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Definitely not the same as a 26x2.4. The last Chili I built used 2.4 Ardents on Flows and there was ample clearance in the frame...likewise on my buddies (last generation) Endorphin. On my Endorphin (last generation), I cannot even get that same (XC) 650b in the frame without deflating it first, and it rubs as soon as air goes back in. Mos Def a no go on the 650b where a 26x2.4 (minions also fit fine) is good.

    Back to my bigger point: I am not saying a Chili would work well with a 650bx2.1 tire, I was just showing that one could be squeezed into the frame....I would certainly rather run a super fat 26 (HANS DAMPH's are downright filthy on a Chilcotin), but I would also love to ride it with those 650's just to know how it felt. How can one know if they don't try?
    Yeah I am surprised how big my Hans Dampf feel and look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SOCAL_STINKY View Post
    Yeah I am surprised how big my Hans Dampf feel and look.
    Yeah....they are just silly fun tires. Instagrip traction all the time....like trail velcro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    What is "650"? Have I missed something?
    It's like viagra for MTBR electronic keyboard jockeys. With a roll of Kleenex and a double headed black mamba. Hope that helps
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    Quote Originally Posted by apat13 View Post
    Definitely not the same as a 26x2.4. The last Chili I built used 2.4 Ardents on Flows and there was ample clearance in the frame...likewise on my buddies (last generation) Endorphin. On my Endorphin (last generation), I cannot even get that same (XC) 650b in the frame without deflating it first, and it rubs as soon as air goes back in. Mos Def a no go on the 650b where a 26x2.4 (minions also fit fine) is good.

    Back to my bigger point: I am not saying a Chili would work well with a 650bx2.1 tire, I was just showing that one could be squeezed into the frame....I would certainly rather run a super fat 26 (HANS DAMPH's are downright filthy on a Chilcotin), but I would also love to ride it with those 650's just to know how it felt. How can one know if they don't try?
    I'm sorry if my post seemed like it was opposing what you had done. On the contrary to what you may have thought, I'm all for experimentation. I was just conjecturing that a 650b that has the same outside diameter as a 26 wouldn't offer the commonly-sought advantages. However, I think both wheels would have advantages and disadvantages. (Example: I really the 650b mounted on carbon rim with a smaller tire would offer less centrifugal force than a 26er with a large tire, because of less weight out at the edge.) My questions were focused on the pros & cons of same-diameter 650b vs 26er.

    My comments had nothing to do with the "desecration" of a 26er. (I'm not religious; even about bikes.) They were more focused on a wheel-set comparison. Do whatever you want; just be sure to post a ride report!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    I'm sorry if my post seemed like it was opposing what you had done. On the contrary to what you may have thought, I'm all for experimentation. I was just conjecturing that a 650b that has the same outside diameter as a 26 wouldn't offer the commonly-sought advantages. However, I think both wheels would have advantages and disadvantages. (Example: I really the 650b mounted on carbon rim with a smaller tire would offer less centrifugal force than a 26er with a large tire, because of less weight out at the edge.) My questions were focused on the pros & cons of same-diameter 650b vs 26er.

    My comments had nothing to do with the desecration of a 26er. (I'm not religious; even about bikes.) They were more focused on a wheel-set comparison. Do whatever you want; just be sure to post a ride report!
    No apologies necessary....I just wanted to make sure people know there is a definite, measurable difference even between a small 650 and a large 26 (although every time I look at my endo with ardents sitting right next to my 650b hard tail I keep thinking "man it's so close...maybe they will fit after all!")

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    It's like viagra for MTBR electronic keyboard jockeys. With a roll of Kleenex and a double headed black mamba. Hope that helps
    Interesting comment Lee.

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    ... and if we just ... Double headed black mamba???

    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    The closer a thread gets to discussing 29"ers, the bytchier it gets.
    It's 27.5 now don't ya know, even the guy at 2012 olympics said so...

    Though with events like this who knows

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    I cut some gauges on a laser to the diameter of a inflated Pacenti 2.1 and 2.3 650b tyre with a 12mm hole some time ago and tried them out on my XL Chilcotin that I have just built up and they both passed the seat stay joke. The 2.3 just clears with about 1.5mm clearance. I'm thinking of getting a set of 650b's for another bike and might try them out on the Chilcotin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    What is "650"? Have I missed something?
    Wow, apparently you're a quick learner .....and glad to see it!

    Anybody have news from the private unveil at Interbike?

    Now I need to possibly add a Knolly Endorphin to my list of 650B lust for bikes. Needs to climb like a goat in gnarly rock and root infested New England terrain so I have much reading to do
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