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    ... and if we just ... A 26.9lb Endorphin is born...

    Thoughts coming..

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    OK, so how did this start? Well, it started with me foolishly buying a Pivot Mach429. This is a bike I never got along with and wasn’t best suited for the XC and light trail riding we do. The bike was easily over matched by our terrain. I had begun to look at replacing the frame with something in the 120mm range (a RIP9 was the leading candidate)…and then it happened. The reviews of the new Endo started hitting.

    When Dude! and pferrell started providing their thoughts on the Endo, I really began to become interested. Most importantly, all of the reviews I had read were stating that the new Endo was nothing like the old Endo, nor was it a Chili LITE. This was a different bike altogether. It was a fast, rippin’ XC/trail bike. A few emails back and forth with DB about frame specifics and I was sold. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for, and was I in for a surprise. I didn’t want my old Endo or Chili LITE, I already had the Chili, which is better than the old Endo in every respect. I needed a capable trail bike that I could ride in Sedona, Flag, Colorado, and my weekday rides at T100 which are less aggressive than the rides at SOMO. I can see myself hitting National on occasion, and National West on the Endo.

    So, one night I decide to sell the Pivot and put the money toward the Endo. After only a few days, I was able to sell the Pivot and the following day the order was placed. After looking at pricing out a build kit, I decided to go with the Knolly SRAM XX build kit to complement the frame. I figured this would be the best way for me to keep costs down (otherwise I would have gone King hubs, Hope brakes, etc.) and would be eating Ramen noodle soup for the next 3 months. The kit is very well put together, and I only had a few concerns. 1. The Hope hubs have lackluster engagement, but are pretty durable and 2. The Avid XX brakes. The brakes are superlight, but the previous generations were made of magnesium and were very problematic. The 2013 product is all aluminum, so issue should be resolved. I did replace the Fox 34 CTD XYZ ABC 123 fork with a 2013 Revelation 150 RCT3. I did this as I prefer RS products, and the fork is nearly .5lb lighter than the 34. And my goal with this bike was to be in the low 26lb range, as I wanted as much separation from the Chili possible. I have weighed the bike a 3 locations, and the lightest weigh is 26.9lb, so I'm rollin’ with it

    I did receive the fork last night, was able to complete the build, and dirtbag and I did a nice 30 mile break-in ride today. The ride consisted of some canal time, T100 from west to east, back to 1A, and back to dirtbag’s place. This is the exact type of ride I bought this bike for. I’ve done this ride many times on the 429, so I can offer some insight. First, the Pivot was over just shy or maybe a bit over 29lbs. I was running 26/38 and 11-36, and the Endo is the same. I have baby chicken legs (not the strongest guy you will see), and was rippin’ all the climbs in the 38T today.

    First, the bike pedals very well. I ran 30% sag, I’m running the 2.35 Minion DHF/DHR combo, and exclusively ran the shock in the Descend or Open mode. I found this bike likes the rebound to be a bit faster. Hopping on the bike, though the geometry feels very similar to the Chili (I’m running a 70 stem on both, and run the Chili in the steep mode all the time), you can tell this bike is not intended for the same terrain. This bike is a bit snappier, quicker, lower, and seems to have a subtle amount of platform very early on in the travel. Unlike some of the other posters, I felt the bike was very supple and climbed exceptionally well. I’m not sure the best way to describe it yet, but it is not the same type of supple the Chili has. One thing this bike screams for is out of the saddle efforts. I found it very rewarding to get up and hammer climbs. Being out of the saddle seemed to add to the traction. I never spun a tire, no doubt helped by the DHR. Technical climbs were limited today, but the ride is full of loose shale and the bike never wavered. It is exceptionally stiff, like Chili stiff, and encourages you to go faster. I was constantly running 1-2 gears bigger compared to the 429. Surely much of it being due to the lack of heft and the 26 v 29 wheel. The descending is notably Knolly, very controlled.

    I’m seriously stoked on this bike. I wasn’t sure what to expect based on the info I have had to date. This bike will be perfect for our longer ride days, and days where the Chili just might be too much bike. The Endo is 6-7lbs lighter than the Chili, which no doubt helps. This bike will never see the likes of Holbert, Geronimo, Cochise, OLA, Goat Camp etc. Those duties are reserved for the Chili.

    A few things to nit-pick on. I would like a wider bar. The Joystick is 725, I would like 745 or so. The bar is very nice though. I’m hoping I can get used to it as I would rather not replace it. The saddle is very nice as well. I’m not experiencing and saddle soreness after a 30 mile ride which speaks volumes. And finally, I think Fox has gone backwards with the RP23. I actually am not as disappointed with the shock as some, but in the descend mode is a bit light on compression dampening. The Trail1 setting seems to have too much platform for me. None of the above issues are really issues. The build kits need to cover a larger range of people, so I think it is very well spec’d.
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    Wow - that's light for a 3 ring setup Nice build. What fork is that - revelation? I looking to change out my fork. It will be great to hear your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Wow - that's light for a 3 ring setup Nice build. What fork is that - revelation? I looking to change out my fork. It will be great to hear your thoughts.
    It is a 2 ring setup, 26/38 Race Face Next. Stupid light crank. I can see this being the perfect 1x10 bike, after todays ride, I'm not sure I would want anything less than a 38T though!

    The fork is a revelation 150 RCT3, 3.8lbs (solo air). It felt great today, and is rather stiff. I never noticed it doing anything badly. Sure, its not a Lyrik with an Avy damper, but it felt great and I'm glad I went with it. Very supple, well controlled, and works well with the Endo
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    Looks awesome. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
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    Very nice, looks great!!!

    Anxious to hear more of what you think as you get more rides on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    It is a 2 ring setup, 26/38 Race Face Next. Stupid light crank. I can see this being the perfect 1x10 bike, after todays ride, I'm not sure I would want anything less than a 38T though!

    The fork is a revelation 150 RCT3, 3.8lbs (solo air). It felt great today, and is rather stiff. I never noticed it doing anything badly. Sure, its not a Lyrik with an Avy damper, but it felt great and I'm glad I went with it. Very supple, well controlled, and works well with the Endo
    Great review! 38 tooth 1x10 doesn't sound like chicken legs.

    Thanks for the fork info - the RCT3 solo air is exactly the one I have my sights set on. It will be a 1 lb lighter than the float 36.

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    WOW that's a great looking bike!!

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    Looks good Brando! I'm sure you're going to love it.

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    What's the Rev RCT3 in terms of options? Is it just a fixed 150mm fork, or have a lockout, dual position, etc?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    What's the Rev RCT3 in terms of options? Is it just a fixed 150mm fork, or have a lockout, dual position, etc?
    I went with the 150 Solo Air which can be cut every 10mm, they also have the a dual position version which adds 80 grams. As for the damper, well, in typical SRAM fashion, the data is very limited. There is a 3 position compression adjustment. Open, partial, and lockout. There is a LSC adjustment, but I only think that is functional in the middle setting. When I played with the LSC in the open setting, it didn't seem to have any effect.

    1 thing of note here, I always service my forks before install. Due to the excitement, I nearly passed, but glad I did not. When I pulled the lowers, 3 drops of oil came out. I literally counted 3 drops. So I pulled the air piston, it was well greased, soaked the foam rings, and put 8ml of oil in the lowers.

    The fork was incredibly supple, but I did not even take note that there are no oil seals, only foam rings and dust seals. I did have a bunch of weeping today, I'm hoping it has more to do with the service I did and not the lack of a proper oil seal. In any case, Enduro offers a oil seal, so it can be fixed easily.

    Really impressed with the fork, pretty darn stiff for a 32mm 150mm fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Looks good Brando! I'm sure you're going to love it.
    Thanks Lance. It will be a perfect compliment to the Chili. Really excited by the ride today.
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    I don't know whats more beautiful, the bike or your lawn... seriously, that looks like carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tangaroo View Post
    seriously, that looks like carpet.
    That's because it is
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    That's because it is

    Very nice! Less time for yard work. More time for riding

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    Cool, thanks for the info on the fork.
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    Gosh that is purely amazing. I love that color!

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    great build - p.s who makes the bike stand you're using in the photos, am after a new bike stand...cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatwheeled View Post
    great build - p.s who makes the bike stand you're using in the photos, am after a new bike stand...cheers
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    Very nice!

    I like the pic of RJ at the end!
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    Nice build man. All you are missin now in the photo is a Podium to complete the Knolly Trifecta.
    On a side note do you think the 26/38 combo would work for someone with fairly weak legs? I will be doing a fair bit of climbing.

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    Very nice !!!!

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    Nice!
    Looks fast.

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    Well now that's a surprise! From the other thread, I would have guessed your Christmas Knolly was a Podium. Great build, and I am with you. Totally stoked on the way the bike rides. Looks like you were very deliberate in pushing the Chilcotin to cover the Delirium end of things while making sure your Endo was on the XC end of the spectrum.

    I now have 6 rides on my Endo and I am climbing better than ever, but still bombing like a madman. My Marz 55 pushes my Endo into more of the Chili-Lite that we have discussed in the other thread, but it's still very snappy. I am having my CTD shock custom tuned by a pro - can't wait!

    Love the color, and the crankset especially. Nice stable. Looking forward to more reports!

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    nice bike.....love the color

    goodluck with it...

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    Great looking rig at an amazing weight for the intended use. The lightest I was ever able to get my 2008 Flux was 25lbs with a SID fork and 355 rims. Very very nice!

    How would I get my hands on one of those Joystick handlebars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Very nice!

    I like the pic of RJ at the end!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleevem1 View Post
    Nice build man. All you are missin now in the photo is a Podium to complete the Knolly Trifecta.
    On a side note do you think the 26/38 combo would work for someone with fairly weak legs? I will be doing a fair bit of climbing.
    I think the 26/38 is a great combo. I don't have the strongest legs, and I had no troubles climbing yesterday. The climbs we have are not extended, but rather very steep. The 38T felt great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    Well now that's a surprise! From the other thread, I would have guessed your Christmas Knolly was a Podium. Great build, and I am with you. Totally stoked on the way the bike rides. Looks like you were very deliberate in pushing the Chilcotin to cover the Delirium end of things while making sure your Endo was on the XC end of the spectrum.

    I now have 6 rides on my Endo and I am climbing better than ever, but still bombing like a madman. My Marz 55 pushes my Endo into more of the Chili-Lite that we have discussed in the other thread, but it's still very snappy. I am having my CTD shock custom tuned by a pro - can't wait!

    Love the color, and the crankset especially. Nice stable. Looking forward to more reports!

    Yeah, I rode the Chili today as it was more aggressive ride. Although I think the Endo would be capable on this ride, the Chili is just so much better for super chunk. If I were on the Endo, I would have to pick lines much better, and I wouldn't be able to plow through things like I do on the Chili.

    On yesterdays ride, I could have ridden the Chili, but it would have been a bit heavy and cumbersome. The Endo is a sprinting bike. I was floored how quickly the bike accelerates, and how planted it is. The Endo is a killer trail bike.

    The great thing about having both bikes is that I can build them for their intended use. I wouldn't be as happy with the Chili if I were to build it much lighter (about 34lbs), nor would I want the Endo to be much heavier. The bikes are about 7lbs apart, which is huge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    Great looking rig at an amazing weight for the intended use. The lightest I was ever able to get my 2008 Flux was 25lbs with a SID fork and 355 rims. Very very nice!

    How would I get my hands on one of those Joystick handlebars?
    Thanks Luca. I'm pretty happy with the weight, I was hoping to be low 26's, but I'll take it. Feels nice and light on the trail. I can't wait for my weekday rides.

    I typically am very conservative with my color choices, but I just had to have the day glow yellow. The camera doesn't quite pickup the true color and brightness of it.
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    The bikes look great.

    I know a few guys in my area that run a single 38t up front, not really my thing-and so I forever have chicken legs. They all run ESI chunky grips though and love them. "Light"

    being picky:
    I'd recommend cutting the steerer tube and possibly a clear chainstay protector. I ordered some from crank skins.
    Your terrain looks pretty rocky, so I get why Maxxis DHR/F combo makes some sense since they're strong-but you could probably shave some weight there on future tires. Have you considered lower profile tread patterns that still have strong side walls? I know DHR/F work well on rocky gravel, but they're pretty knobbed up. Cut steerer tube might save you a few grams, too

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    Awesome build man , looks like a nice setup

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    What a great looking Endorphin! Thanks for the report tiSS'er, enjoyed the read.

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    Very nice, but there is less respect to be had for people who weigh their bikes. Beautiful build! I bet it rips on the up, and the down.

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    Thanks for the write up. The bike looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nybike1971 View Post
    How would I get my hands on one of those Joystick handlebars?
    Dealers | Joystick Bicycle Components

    If none of those shops are anywhere near you, PM me and I'll see what I can do.

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    Good review Brandon. Great looking bike!
    Glad to hear it's treating you right and that it rips and that it's different from the chilcotin but is still a Knolly with all that entails.

    Does it accelerate and snap forward as well (or better) than the 429 on smooth trail?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parabellum View Post
    Dealers | Joystick Bicycle Components

    If none of those shops are anywhere near you, PM me and I'll see what I can do.
    Thank you, will let you know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post

    Does it accelerate and snap forward as well (or better) than the 429 on smooth trail?
    Thanks Kent. I am really liking this bike. I rode the Chili Sunday, but I am already having withdrawals from the Endo. I can't wait for my ride today.

    This bike definitely accelerated better than the 429. It is nearly 2lbs lighter, and the smaller wheels certainly add to the equation. On our ride Saturday, there were some nice smooth sections, and I can say this is the best pedaling Knolly I've been on. I was surprised at how easy the cranks were to spin, and at times I was 2 gears higher than I thought I was. I also noticed that I was rarely shifting. Rather than drop a gear or two for a climb, I would just stand give a couple good hard cranks and motor. This bike is really well suited to out of the saddle efforts, and you are rewarded nicely for the effort you put in. I am running a Minion DHR 2.35 on the rear, not the best rolling tire out there.

    All of that said, the bike is still exceptionally active. You can feel just a hint of platform at the top of the stroke, I don't know if it is the shock or the linkage, but it's there. The travel is very well controlled, especially the mid and ending stroke as all Knollys are.

    Sitting on the bike, you can immediately tell it is in a different league than the Chili. I wouldn't have wanted to do the ride dirtbag and I did Saturday on the Chili. I would have been toast half way through at the pace we were pushing. At the same time, I'm not sure I really would want to hit up Holbert on the Endo either. It is certainly capable, but the Chili just owns those type of trails. There is plenty of separation between the bikes, and there will rarely be a question as to which bike I will be on for a specific ride. The Chili/Endo stable fits me well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    [...] I did replace the Fox 34 CTD XYZ ABC 123 fork [...]
    You just made me spit all over my monitor...
    I think you will soon be replacing the rear shock as well...

    Awesome bike! Now I wonder if I shouldn't have gone with Endo instead of Chili myself
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    Awesome bike! Now I wonder if I shouldn't have gone with Endo instead of Chili myself

    I was in this club until this weekend... Originally built my Chili as a "one bike" for DH, bike park, free ride, XC in Houston, Austin chunk, basically everything. My build ended up a little heavy, but still pedals well. Then I found a great deal on a DHR, and started regretting building my Chili so portly, until I rode City Park in Austin this weekend. Great trail to showcase the pedal-ability if the Chili and capability in chunk. No way I could pedal my DHR up those hills. Overall, I guess three bikes isn't out of the question...

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    Got another ride in on the Endo. Today's ride is one which I have been doing for years, so I am really familiar with every corner, every rock.

    Last night, I decided to play around with my suspension settings. I feel like the Revelation is a bit under damped, so I added a bit of air pressure to compensate. That was a huge mistake. I had maybe 10% sag (typically run 30-35%), the front of the bike felt very tall, and the fork felt harsh. I don't carry a pump, but I did let a bit of air out after the first climb. Even with minimal sag, the bike never wandered, but I felt like the bars were just too tall. Once home, I adjusted the air pressure back down. I may end up changing the damper fluid to 7.5W to get the necessary compression I am looking for. I will spend some more time on the bike before I do that.

    I did add a click of rebound to rear, but did not mess with it otherwise. I noticed just how well the bike pedals on the smooth, sandy sections. There were a few areas where I think the 29er has an advantage on todays ride, but overall, I think my time was faster on the Endo. Keep in mind that the Mach429 is probably more race/xc oriented than xc/trail like the Endo. I think that says a lot.

    I'm finding the XX brakes to modulate very well, but be limited in power. I have read that the Jagwire pads work very well, and I may go that direction if I can't the brakes working the way I would like. Otherwise, the bike is great. I have a few more rides scheduled this week where I will continue to tweak the suspension. Once the front is dialed, I will work on the rear a bit. I am not even close to bottoming, yet the bike feels good.
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    this really makes me itch to order mine. I got accepted for the Knolly Grassroots Ambassador Program for 2013 and can't wait till I have funds to sell my Remedy frame and order the Endo in black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drizzoh View Post
    Do I spy some Trial 100? Nice bikes man!
    Absolutely, actually at the bench on 1A, good eye. The Endo is great for the T100 area.
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    Hot damn I love this bike! I have several more rides on it, mostly at the T100 area during the week, but today we hit SOMO on the west side. The west side of SOMO is more suited to a trail bike as it is not as burly as the rest of the mountain. We started by climbing Kiwanis (you know, the one with all the steps), to National West. National West is a techy, unrelenting climb. For there we hit 620. 620 is something like a mile long, but has 33 or so switchbacks. This trail was designed for hikers, and the switchbacks are very tight, and most of them are falling away with some level of loose rock in them. From there, we decided to climb Bees Knees which is a smooth but grumpy climb with some real steep sections that will make your legs hurt. Bees Knees ends with a really fun, mostly smooth and flowy descent.

    My primary concern today was smashing the 38T chainring on a few steps on Kiwanis. Not too much to worry about on the rest of the ride. I knew this would cause me to change my technique on the Endo for this part of the climb. With the Chili, I just smash into it, let the bashguard take the hit, and tractor up it. With the Endo, I had to pop up these items, which I did with great success. The bike is nice and poppy, and the light weight helped as well. The first set of steps is usually a very good indicator of how well a bike will do at SOMO. It is a series of steps that requires a good line, and even better traction. You can't hit these steps and bounce, or you will be thrown off line. As you get near the top of the steps, you have to power over a few strangely placed rocks, and traction here is critical. My first run up this section with the Endo I nearly cleaned it. I'm still struggling with the weight of the bike, especially the front end. I am so used to the Chili with it's heavier front end. I tend to over-lift with the Endo and lose my balance. On my second run, I lost my balance over-lifting and lost my line. On the third try, I got it…almost. I was a pedal stroke away. The Endo just motored up this section. The rear end stuck like glue, I never spun a tire, and it felt very much like my Chili. Obviously it wasn’t quite as plush and smooth…I mean seriously, 160mm of Avy Woodie travel vs. 140mm of Fox CTD. However, the bike was very good…surprisingly good.

    Next up is a 20-22” step up. Normally with the Chili, I just wheelie, let the bashguard hit, and tractor up the thing. I knew with the 38T unprotected ring, this was not going to be an option with the Endo. So, I wheelied up it, compressed the rear end, and popped right up it. EASY. For the rest of the moves, the Endo handled them just fine. When we came to a section of total chunder, loose tennis, softball, and football sized rocks, mixed in with sand. MMMM, fun. This is a rather long section, with some tricky turns, some bursty climbs, and it’s a leg burner. I motored right up this today, which is a 50/50 ordeal for me on the Chili, usually because I run out of legs.

    Once we completed Kiwanis, it’s time to climb National West. National West starts out as mostly embedded granite, with lots of grunty, sketchy climbing. The Endo just rolled, smooth, lots of traction, and it passed rather quickly, which is a good thing. At the top, we took a left, rode the ridge where we came to the 620 descent. This is a great descent to properly test a set of brakes. I was bit nervous with the XXs, but I recently replaced the front pads with a set of Avid sintereds, and they held up very well. You’re pretty much are never off the brakes. The XXs never faded, modulated exceptionally, and other than I needed to adjust them before the descent, held up excellently. I did not have any arm pump at the bottom, which speaks volumes to me. The Endo did great on the descent. This is the first time I lowered the saddle. I cleaned all of the switchbacks, and carried great speed.

    We then regroup and decided to alter our route and climb Bees Knees. Bees Knees is a smooth climb, but it never lets up. A lung buster. The Endo just chewed up it, I was very happy here. At the top of Bees Knees, you drop to the west and it is a smooth ripper with a few rollers. The Endo was in it’s element here. I was moving at a very good pace, especially for a trail that I have not ridden in over a year. I can’t explain just how well this bike works as a package. It’s light weight, along with it’s snappy pedaling make for e a bike that climbs exceptionally well, and makes the climb pass rather quickly. I climbed Bees Knees non-stop, I did dab twice in corners where I got lazy and the front tire washed. But we never stopped, and kept charging along. The bike digs in, pedals briskly, and when the trail turns down, well I don’t have to tell you about that 

    A few notes about my setup:
    1. Fox CTD. I feel very happy with this shock. Setup was cake, set sag at 30%, set rebound, leave the shock in the DESCEND mode and ride. Nice and supple, great mid and ending stroke, and very well controlled for a stock shock.
    2. Revelation RCT3. I am finally figuring this thing out, and I am very happy with it. It is much stiffer than I imagined. The RCT3 damper has 3 main clicks, open, trail, and locked. In the open mode, the fork is too plush. Yep, too plush. When descending the steeps today, I ran the fork in the trail mode. In the trail mode you can adjust your LSC to your liking. With the LSC fully open, the fork feels pretty good, but a bit stiffer than I would like for all of my riding. With the LSC fully closed, the fork is near lockout, so there is a pretty good amount of adjustment here. I think I will try the trail mode with no LSC and see how that feels overall for my normal riding. It does lose some small bump compliance, but feels pretty good at speed. However, the damper takes 134ml of 5w oil. I think I may take about 60ml of oil out, and replace it with 7.5w, giving me an effective 6w. I think this may work well at providing the dampening I would like in the open mode without sacrificing as much of the small bump as I do now in the trail mode. That is what I love about this fork, the simplicity and adjustability. I will keep you posted on this.
    3. The Joystick saddle. I am really liking this saddle now. I had a bit of saddle sore on my first ride (which was 31 miles), but have not experienced any sort of discomfort since. Typically I run WTB Silverados, but this saddle is exceptionally comfortable, and doesn’t hook my shorts like the WTB can.
    4. The joystick bar. Good feeling bar, though a bit narrow. I am getting used to it and it is super stiff.
    5. RF Next Cranks. Love these. The shifting is amazing, I have yet to drop a chain, the drivetrain is super quiet, and the cranks are stiff as hell. When you get out of saddle and mash, you can feel it.
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    Good to hear, thanks for the detailed write ups. Great reading and helps alot of us out I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Good to hear, thanks for the detailed write ups. Great reading and helps alot of us out I'm sure.
    Almost as detailed as Traildocs AZ forum write ups...

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    Dayumn - you boys ride some techy, chunky stuff! Glad to hear your Endo is up to the task - sounds like you need to throw a bashguard on there to give you tactical options. I'm not sure I could ride the stuff you guys do - maybe with determination and repetition.

    I love my Endorphin too. Ride #7 on it today, and it was perfect. So fun side to side - just railing it. Not a huge fan of the CTD shock. Like most Fox I've ridden, it's hard to find the knife edge between too firm and too soft. I had the boys at BikeCo go through it and they made it mo' better - a little better ramp up, so I can run it at 30% sag without blowing through the travel. They probably put in a spacer.

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    MRP makes this skid plate to cover any ring size....



    And of course The Endorphin is the only trail bike in the world with ISCG tabs.

    (disclaimer: I have no idea if the Endorphin is the only trail bike in the world with ISCG tabs, it just sounded cool)
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    MRP makes this skid plate to cover any ring size....
    Perfect! One of these is definitely going on my Endo. I am pretty sure my bash / skid plate gets hammered on every ride....I cant imagine riding without one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Perfect! One of these is definitely going on my Endo. I am pretty sure my bash / skid plate gets hammered on every ride....I cant imagine riding without one.
    Wait, when did you get an Endo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bottoms View Post
    MRP makes this skid plate to cover any ring size....



    And of course The Endorphin is the only trail bike in the world with ISCG tabs.

    (disclaimer: I have no idea if the Endorphin is the only trail bike in the world with ISCG tabs, it just sounded cool)
    I picked on up, unfortunately so did a buddy of mine. One ride on SOMO and it was destroyed. In fact, it had bent enough to interfere with his chainrings. Needless to say, I sent mine back.

    I don't think it is designed to hold up to the very sharp, squared granite we have here. No worries though, my Endo will not see that many trails where this is an issue. There is only a few places on Kiwanis that it is an issue, and I will change my technique for those rides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Perfect! One of these is definitely going on my Endo. I am pretty sure my bash / skid plate gets hammered on every ride....I cant imagine riding without one.
    Where are the pictures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    I picked on up, unfortunately so did a buddy of mine. One ride on SOMO and it was destroyed. In fact, it had bent enough to interfere with his chainrings. Needless to say, I sent mine back.

    I don't think it is designed to hold up to the very sharp, squared granite we have here. No worries though, my Endo will not see that many trails where this is an issue. There is only a few places on Kiwanis that it is an issue, and I will change my technique for those rides.
    Wow - really. I would have though this would have been more robust considering the MRP folks ride and live in a rocky area. That's a bummer, as I was planning to get one of these or the new MRP with low chainguide.

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    **** I just picked up a MRP X2 one up a couple moths ago. I hope mine lasts up here in the North East. If anyone is looking at getting one I found the cheapest prices at Ebike.com

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    104 BCD bashring, lasts for a couple years, and works great as a 42t chain ring for most of that time too (for me at least). A lot of cranksets come with the 44t for free, but I'm picky.
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    Where are the pictures?
    Its still a fetus...not ready to ride.

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    I think its uber appropriate that i ordered Whisky #7 carbon bars? Try googling "Whisky Bars"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Wow - really. I would have though this would have been more robust considering the MRP folks ride and live in a rocky area. That's a bummer, as I was planning to get one of these or the new MRP with low chainguide.
    I have not had good luck with any MRP chainguides I have used on my bikes (1x, 2x, and G2). The aluminum they use is too soft or the plates are too thin. It is usually possible to bend the guide back a few times and I have managed to squeeze a season out of them but not really a long-term durable solution. And I don't ride my bike in Arizona all that much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    I think its uber appropriate that i ordered Whisky #7 carbon bars? Try googling "Whisky Bars"...
    Not sure how that will work out for the Endo, but I am sure you and the missus will have a great time!
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    stoked

    Hopefully I will have her built by the weekend. My VTach and Delerium were transformational bikes for me....the Chilcotin is the most confidence inspiring and awesome bike i have ever ridden....the Endo has a lot to live up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Hopefully I will have her built by the weekend. My VTach and Delerium were transformational bikes for me....the Chilcotin is the most confidence inspiring and awesome bike i have ever ridden....the Endo has a lot to live up to.
    From what tiSS'er has said, I think the Endo can be your Super D bike, depending on the course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Hopefully I will have her built by the weekend. My VTach and Delerium were transformational bikes for me....the Chilcotin is the most confidence inspiring and awesome bike i have ever ridden....the Endo has a lot to live up to.

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    Dooooood! That is going to be a sweet build! I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do. I have been spending a bunch of time on the Endo, in-fact I feel almost guilty as the Chili has seen fewer rides than normal. Dirtbag and I have been hammering out some long rides on Saturdays when we would normally blast something on the Chili.

    I don't care how you try to classify this bike, XC, trail whatever, it doesn't matter. This bike is flat out fast and fun. I can't wait to get back on it, and my riding habits are showing it. I have found a great new loop that is perfect for this bike. I made a climb yesterday that I have never made before. I was so stoked that I immediately texted dirtbag. I still don't think he believes me This bike is so light you can just whip it around. I am also very happy with how well this bike rails. The combination of the bike, setup and tires (minion DHF and DHR single plys) has helped my confidence immensely. I have also found that Endo translates exceptionally to the Chili. By this I mean confidence gained from the Endo is accentuated when on the "Big Brother". When I hop on the Chili, although the ride is very different, I have noticed my cornering speeds have increased, much due to confidence.

    Anyway, if you went with the Revelation, spend some time on it (check the oil in the lowers, mine was DRY), and then take out 60ml of the stock 5 weight damper fluid and replace it with 60ml of 7.5 weight fluid. I have found this to provide a very nice mid stroke for what I thought was previously a way too linear and soft stroke. You do loose a bit of small bump, but when up to speed the fork feels far more controlled and balanced with the rear of the bike. I should mention that I run both the fork and shock wide open, I see no reason to run any PP on this bike. It just goes. My fork mod has also made the out of the saddle effort much nicer, the fork doesn't wallow as much.

    Congrats, I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Endo!
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    Mister Muttonchops, can't wait till you get that built up. you are gonna love it!

    I've made it back to the desert and got on the Endo today after making some changes at home and I am freaking blown away by the speed of this thing! I haven't been on the bike or doing much of anything the last 6 weeks so i am bit out of shape but this thing still felt amazingly fast.

    Changes that where made include swapping the 140 fox for a 150 RS Rev and that has blown me away. I tried the 140 cause i had it and it did fall into the recommended range for this frame but from experience, I can say DO NOT PUT A 140mm FORK on this thing. Kevin, Noel, if you are reading, just go ahead and remove that from the recommended forks on the web site because i don't think it does any good. I hate travel adjust forks because i feel that when they are lowered they feel sluggish and that is exactly what my problem was. It pedals better, tracks better, is more lively, feel more like that classic Knolly feel like it pedals itself.

    I also swapped the rear aspen 2.1 to a crossmark 2.25 and needless to say i get quite a bit mor traction climbing and braking.

    the other change was to go to 780mm bars. I aways thought I would ride wide bars on my bigger bike but keep them shorter on my xc/trail bike but come to find out, wide bars are great on all bikes.

    with the changes, mine is now a sitting at 25 pounds and 4 ounces.

    My girlfriend has had the hardest time adjusting to the new Endo because of the amount of pedal platform so I swapped the CTD for the latest RP23 and got the RWC needle bearings and now she is feel way more comfortable on it as well. she was pedaling as fast as I've seen her go and now her complaint is she needs a bigger ring and I ain't talking about no diamond. she want to swap the single ring 32 for a 34, I am gonna wait a bit on that.

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    I cant wait to be railing on this bike. All the recent reports have been getting me amped.

    I do have a RS Revelation solo air....I actually have a fox...but am selling it without even riding it.

    I have been riding my Chilly everywhere as my only bike for the last 3 months and am really excited to be able to compare all my favorite trails on the Endo.
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    Good to see these ride reports on the new Endorphin. I'd like to see some reports on folks who've built them up a bit heavier 30-32 lbs with 160 fork. I know pfarrell and others have said it's not Chili-lite (which is kinda how I'd describe my 5 Spot), but it would be interesting to see how it compares to the Spot in this guise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    Mister Muttonchops, can't wait till you get that built up. you are gonna love it!

    I've made it back to the desert and got on the Endo today after making some changes at home and I am freaking blown away by the speed of this thing! I haven't been on the bike or doing much of anything the last 6 weeks so i am bit out of shape but this thing still felt amazingly fast.

    Changes that where made include swapping the 140 fox for a 150 RS Rev and that has blown me away. I tried the 140 cause i had it and it did fall into the recommended range for this frame but from experience, I can say DO NOT PUT A 140mm FORK on this thing. Kevin, Noel, if you are reading, just go ahead and remove that from the recommended forks on the web site because i don't think it does any good. I hate travel adjust forks because i feel that when they are lowered they feel sluggish and that is exactly what my problem was. It pedals better, tracks better, is more lively, feel more like that classic Knolly feel like it pedals itself.

    I also swapped the rear aspen 2.1 to a crossmark 2.25 and needless to say i get quite a bit mor traction climbing and braking.

    the other change was to go to 780mm bars. I aways thought I would ride wide bars on my bigger bike but keep them shorter on my xc/trail bike but come to find out, wide bars are great on all bikes.

    with the changes, mine is now a sitting at 25 pounds and 4 ounces.

    My girlfriend has had the hardest time adjusting to the new Endo because of the amount of pedal platform so I swapped the CTD for the latest RP23 and got the RWC needle bearings and now she is feel way more comfortable on it as well. she was pedaling as fast as I've seen her go and now her complaint is she needs a bigger ring and I ain't talking about no diamond. she want to swap the single ring 32 for a 34, I am gonna wait a bit on that.
    Glad to see things are coming around for you Pete. The Revelation is a great match for the bike, yet keeps the weight down. I find a 38T chainring is actually useful on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Good to see these ride reports on the new Endorphin. I'd like to see some reports on folks who've built them up a bit heavier 30-32 lbs with 160 fork. I know pfarrell and others have said it's not Chili-lite (which is kinda how I'd describe my 5 Spot), but it would be interesting to see how it compares to the Spot in this guise.
    Hey Krob, its a helluva lot closer to chilly lite with this fork. with that being said, there is still a big enough difference between the two that everyone should have one of each. Maybe it's the weight and build or maybe it's because i haven't ridden it on the same trail as the old Endo but i still feel the old one has the nod when things get rough but this new one is so damn fast, who cares. you touch the ground alot less on this one. where the old one had chilly like abilities in plowing through stuff, this one just flys over things.

    and Brandon, if you guys don't mind a helmet-less riding partner, I will be around the Phoenix area for awhile now.

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    I SOOOO need to quit reading this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    I SOOOO need to quit reading this thread.
    I know what you're saying. They've almost got me convinced that I would actually enjoy pedaling an Endo uphill. How mental is that? You don't reach my BMI without eschewing exercise.
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    Yes! Saw this at PMP too and thought it was a chili. Great job with the build!
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdog View Post
    Yes! Saw this at PMP too and thought it was a chili. Great job with the build!
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    Tiss'er, both your bikes look amazing. I just sold my chilli, due to sizing, and am considering the endorphin or another chilli. How does the sizing compare between the chilli and endo? I realize they are listed with the same tt and reach numbers just wanted some real world feedback.

    Sorry for the thread high jacking but I don't have enough posts to start a thread and this seemed like the best place to ask. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by coddog View Post
    Tiss'er, both your bikes look amazing. I just sold my chilli, due to sizing, and am considering the endorphin or another chilli. How does the sizing compare between the chilli and endo? I realize they are listed with the same tt and reach numbers just wanted some real world feedback.

    Sorry for the thread high jacking but I don't have enough posts to start a thread and this seemed like the best place to ask. Thanks
    Curious, what was the sizing issue?

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    The frame was just to big. I'm 5'10.5" and I just couldn't get comfortable on the large. Seated it was fine but while standing the reach was to much even with a 50mm stem. Made it feel like I was on on top of the bike and i had trouble with weighting the front end in the turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coddog View Post
    Tiss'er, both your bikes look amazing. I just sold my chilli, due to sizing, and am considering the endorphin or another chilli. How does the sizing compare between the chilli and endo? I realize they are listed with the same tt and reach numbers just wanted some real world feedback.

    Sorry for the thread high jacking but I don't have enough posts to start a thread and this seemed like the best place to ask. Thanks
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    Thanks tisser, I should fit comfortably on a medium either way I go. Now I just need to decide between the chili and endorphin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coddog View Post
    The frame was just to big. I'm 5'10.5" and I just couldn't get comfortable on the large. Seated it was fine but while standing the reach was to much even with a 50mm stem. Made it feel like I was on on top of the bike and i had trouble with weighting the front end in the turns.

    Just curious what your inseam is? I'm 5' 11" and my large Chili seems to fit me just perfectly with a 50mm stem. I've ridden Cheezwhip's medium and it was def too small overall.

    But I do have longer legs (33" inseam) and long arms, so that might be why it works for me.
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    sucks being a 'tweener' hey! I am 5'10" (31 inseam) and often struggle with sizing. Saying that however...every L bike i have ever owned was too big and I regretted going with L (lesson learnt).

    My last mistake was a L Blur (which has a long seat tube) and I always used the same description as coddog...I felt like i was 'on top' of the bike.

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    Just curious what your inseam is? I'm 5' 11" and my large Chili seems to fit me just perfectly with a 50mm stem. I've ridden Cheezwhip's medium and it was def too small overall.

    But I do have longer legs (33" inseam) and long arms, so that might be why it works for me.
    My inseam is also 33". I also have a large blur trc that fits well and a large intense slope style that feels slightly large but works great with a 35mm stem. The chilcotin was just a little to nervous feeling with a 35mm stem for my intended purpose.

    Muttonchops,
    I feel your pain. Sold my large blur lt a couple months ago for the exact same reason as you, but I was foolish enough to buy another large frame without riding it first. Thinking a med knolly should fit perfect for me, so I may give a med chili or endo a try.

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    It's personal preference at your size. I always buy mediums though I have a 33.5" inseam, a +6" Ape Index, and was 5' 10" until my "shortening procedure". I could ride a large but I like the feel of a tight cockpit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coddog View Post
    The frame was just to big. I'm 5'10.5" and I just couldn't get comfortable on the large. Seated it was fine but while standing the reach was to much even with a 50mm stem. Made it feel like I was on on top of the bike and i had trouble with weighting the front end in the turns.
    I just went the opposite way. I am 6' with a 34" cycling inseam. I loved the medium, it was small and easily tossed around. But for me the top tube was just too short. I would have too get too far back on the steep stuff and then the front would flop. Only a week of riding on the large so far but I am not regretting the change.

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    ready to shred

    Finished my build this afternoon...but got stuck with a work issue and didnt get to ride. The weekend beckons and i cant wait. I ripped the Chilly apart a week ago and have been riding my HT for the last couple weeks...this is going to be a treat.

    Mostly XT, Elixir brakes, KS Seatpost, RS Revelation fork, Whisky bars and a couple spare parts that were lying around. 1x10 with a 36T up front.


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    Nice!!!

    I'm excited to hear how you like it.
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    Great looking bike. You must have massive legs, 'cause there's no way I could get away with 36x36 as my easiest gear! Do you have your seatpost set for riding in those pictures? It looks like the KS is compressed about halfway. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Good to see these ride reports on the new Endorphin. I'd like to see some reports on folks who've built them up a bit heavier 30-32 lbs with 160 fork. I know pfarrell and others have said it's not Chili-lite (which is kinda how I'd describe my 5 Spot), but it would be interesting to see how it compares to the Spot in this guise.
    Like this for example?

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    XL 29.75 lbs with 2012 Marz 55 Microswitch TA. I absolutely love the 160 fork on this bike. I have travel adjust, but don't need it. The 66.5ish head angle is perfect! I will put a KS LEV on it, and I may lighten it up with a 160mm X-Fusion Slant when they are available. I love the Marz - but it is heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Respect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    You must have massive legs, 'cause there's no way I could get away with 36x36 as my easiest gear!
    My Chili is 34t chainring/11-32 cassette, and it's not that bad. Amazing what you can mash through when you don't have other gear choices!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Finished my build this afternoon...but got stuck with a work issue and didnt get to ride. The weekend beckons and i cant wait. I ripped the Chilly apart a week ago and have been riding my HT for the last couple weeks...this is going to be a treat.

    Mostly XT, Elixir brakes, KS Seatpost, RS Revelation fork, Whisky bars and a couple spare parts that were lying around. 1x10 with a 36T up front.
    Awesome, awesome, awesome. Can't wait to see pics/vid of you ripping the trails!

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    I thought I would provide some updated thoughts as I have made a few small changes to the Endo, and have taken it on a few additional rides.

    I changed the stock 2.35 DHF/DHR tires out for a 2.3 Butcher Control on the front and a 2.2 The Captain GRID on the rear. More on that later.

    Last week, I did a reasonably lengthy XC ride on the Arizona Trail. This is a ride which is very XC oriented and the type of ride where I figured the Endo would a bit of a compromise compared to the Pivot 429. Although I believe the Pivot would have been a better option here, the Endo did quite well. I was the only guy on a 26er, and the leader of the group was on a 25lb Jet RDO. I was able to hang up front with the AZMC, probably had to work a bit harder than he did for much of the ride, but that is to be expected, especially considering the tires I was running. A DHR will hardly roll as well as a Kenda Small Block 8. This is an out and back ride, and the out is mostly a gradual climb. I did struggle climbing some super tight, steep switchbacks with the Endo. The front end was a bit light and the longer wheel base didn't help any either. Coming down was not issue.

    Heading back, was a riot on the Endo. The trip back is the type of descent where you can pedal a big gear, have some great sweeping and tight corners, some nice chicanes, and a few short tech sections. The Endo just ripped this terrain up. It pedals so well, yet uses the travel exceptionally. It corners so confidently that you juts maintain speed so well. I know for a fact that many of the tighter sections would have been slower on the 429. What I love about the Endo is just how short and light the rear end is. You can get hard on the front brake, get the rear really light, and either whip it and place it to square off a corner, or you can get it drifting easily. Such a cool feeling. This also lends well to compressing the bike and squaring off corners as well.

    This week, I decided to take the Endo on National. For those that have ridden here, you know National is a more flowy type trail, but has some chunky sections that will test a bike. National is by no means Holbert or Goat Camp, in terms of tech, but it still delivers. I typically reserve these rides for the Chili. Climbing up National I struggled with traction on the 3 main tech sections. Some of the issue was finding the right gearing, some was attributable to the tires, and others to the rider. I have the Chili just so dialed on these sections, that I can just monster truck up them. The Endo requires a bit more english. The climbing was certainly quicker on the Endo. I was concerned that maybe I had chosen the wrong tool for the project on this ride, but boy was I wrong. Once I hit the top, I ran into a few buddies who were heading down. I padded up and joined them. Vic took off (he is on a Firebird) like a rabbit, and I took chase. This was the best possible thing that could have happened to me. Hammering on this bike is incredible, and took my focus away from being under-biked. Through even the roughest section, I was right on his tail. The bike is ridiculously stiff, and I was overly impressed by the Revelation as well. I did bottom it several times on the trail, but that is to be expected since it is setup for more XC/trail. I took all of the normal lines I would on the Chili, and was faster in the pedally sections, and slightly slower from Hell Hill down when things get rougher, but was still leading the group and slowly pulling away. It's not fair to believe the Endo would be on pace with the Chili, especially considering the Chili is Avy'd out. This ride showed me just how competent the Endo is. It's still no Chili, but capable. The Chili would plow through this trail, where the Endo skims it.

    On to Sunday, which was a similar ride, just longer. I had replaced the stock tires with the Specy tires and suddenly I cleaned all 3 sections I had trouble with the day before. Traction was plenty, but it still requires a slightly different technique than the Chili. Coming down was great, and I was much more confident with the Butcher up front. It hooks up much better than the DHF on the sandy terrain. My downhill feelings were confirmed with yet another rip down National. I picked up some speed from Saturday as I gained some confidence from my first trip. LOVE THIS BIKE!
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    Great report Tiss'er. I'm still considering the Chili, but your insights make me inch toward the new endo as my next bike. Wondering if you've thought about Pushing the fork and shock to bring it closer to your Chili's suspension? Or maybe even picking up a Marz 44 with an Avy cart? Or a DBair instead of the rp23?

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    Although I only have three rides on my Endo, these comments mirror my feelings. The Endo rips. It is a super fun and capable bike. For 90% of the trails I ride in Southern Cali this bike is near perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Great report Tiss'er. I'm still considering the Chili, but your insights make me inch toward the new endo as my next bike. Wondering if you've thought about Pushing the fork and shock to bring it closer to your Chili's suspension? Or maybe even picking up a Marz 44 with an Avy cart? Or a DBair instead of the rp23?
    Hey Beef. In short no. A beefed up Endo is still not a Chili. The Chili suspension is dramatically more supple in it's initial travel, without giving up too much pedaling performance. Side by side, the Chili tubing is more substantial. The headtube on the Chili is 1.5 and the Endo is 44mm. Doesn't sound like much, but the front end on the Chili is built for more abuse.

    I think if you start adding weight to the Endo, it starts losing it's magic IMO. What makes the Endo so much fun is that it is nearly 7lbs less than my Chili. If I had to choose, I would keep the Chili and lighten it up a bit. With a lighter build kit, the Chili would be more versatile than the Endo. I'm lucky that I have both, so I can build each to serve a purpose. For my XC and trail rides, the Endo will fit the bill, but for the more technical rides it the Chili.

    My ride this weekend was to see just how capable the Endo was in a rougher environment than I had previously been riding it. The Chili would still be my go to bike for this ride.

    I'm really quite happy with the 2013 Revelation. I have tuned it a bit from stock for my riding and it works rather well.

    It can be a tough decision between bikes. I know some people have purchased the new Endo hoping it was like the old Endo. This is not the case, the Chili is the old Endo, the new Endo is more like the old Endo SL that never made it production. There is some platform at the beginning of the travel which stiffens up the suspension a bit. It works very well for it's intended purpose. The Chili is in a whole other league. As Dusty mentioned, your fork choice will have a major impact on the frame choice. Lyrik or 36 = Chili, Revelation or 34 = Endo.

    Hope this helps a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-AIR View Post
    Although I only have three rides on my Endo, these comments mirror my feelings. The Endo rips. It is a super fun and capable bike. For 90% of the trails I ride in Southern Cali this bike is near perfect.
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    Fantastic analysis. Thanks Tiss'er. I'm considering a 29/30lb build and it sounds like a Chili lite would suit me better. Thanks again!

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