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    2012 Knolly Endorphin: Pictures, Builds, Information

    Looks like the new Endorphins are starting to ship. Lets see some pics, here some reports, and share information.

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    Im thinking of changing up from the original Endo to the new model, primarily to shave a few pounds off the weight so Id be very happy if people start posting the frames and complete bike weights here.

    I will need an XL frame so even better if someone has one of those monsters built up!

    FYI my lbs weighed a raw medium with CTD shock and that was 6.54 lbs...

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    have any of the magazines got one on test? a review would be good...whilst waiting to get a 650b version....

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    Knolly Endorphin from Israel

    medium frame w/ FOX float CTD
    Rockshox Revelation 2013 RCT3 solo air 15mm tapered
    WTB frequency i23 / TBC Revolution hubs / Sapim spokes
    Onza IBEX FR 2.25 kevlar tires, running tubeless
    Rockshox Reverb
    Race Face Turbine crankset + 32T chainring
    Blackspire DER Guide chainguide
    Race Face Atlast handlebar cut to 760mm
    Race Face ride 60mm stem
    ODI grips
    XO shifter + der
    XT cassette + chain
    XO calipers / XX brake levers, 180mm front, 160mm rear
    TBC diamond saddle
    XT trail pedals
    Cane Creek headset

    13.1 kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsphere View Post
    Knolly Endorphin from Israel


    Race Face Atlast handlebar cut to 750mm

    13.1 kg
    Beautiful bike! Two questions:

    1) What was the reason you cut down the handlebars?
    2) Why did you choose Cromo bars over Carbon bars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TSC View Post
    Beautiful bike! Two questions:

    1) What was the reason you cut down the handlebars?
    2) Why did you choose Cromo bars over Carbon bars?
    it's actually cut to 760mm, that was a mistake.

    I wanted a 750-760mm handlebar. 785mm is too wide for a trail bike for my taste.

    I could only get the 725mm SixC handlebar, so I preferred to put an Atlas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsphere View Post
    it's actually cut to 760mm, that was a mistake.

    I wanted a 750-760mm handlebar. 785mm is too wide for a trail bike for my taste.

    I could only get the 725mm SixC handlebar, so I preferred to put an Atlas.
    Thanks for the info. Please let us know what you think of your new bike.

    Enjoy!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsphere View Post
    it's actually cut to 760mm, that was a mistake.

    I wanted a 750-760mm handlebar. 785mm is too wide for a trail bike for my taste.

    I could only get the 725mm SixC handlebar, so I preferred to put an Atlas.
    Race Face 2012

    They just came out with 785s
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    I am super stoked, I have been waiting for this frame for 2 years. Frame looks great - it's a Knolly. I can sense it - this baby is going to shred trails.


    More to come...

    Planned Build
    Medium Frame
    Fox Float 36 (lowered) 1.125 steertube
    CC110 zerostack headset
    I9 AM wheels
    2.4 Fat Alberts with tubes
    XTR trail brakes
    MRP chain guide
    1x10 drivetrain - SRAM XO X9
    Chromag bars
    Chromag stem
    Chromag saddle
    Saint Cranks
    Reverb Dropper
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    dude that looks great. What size is it?

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    Looks great Jamie. Can't wait to hear what you think.
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    heres mine!

    The Build:

    Medium raw Endo with fox ctd
    Fox 32 140mm fork
    Sixc bars
    Thomson 90 mm stem 10 degree rise cause its a xc rig
    Magura MT8 brakes
    Thomson post, selle italia seat, chromag clamp
    Race face next carbon cranks with 34 tooth ring
    crank bros candy 11 pedals
    MRP g2 sl mini
    sram xx cassette 11-36
    sram xo shifter and short cage rear derailleur
    Enve xc rims on king hubs
    maxxis aspen tires ( probably get changed out soon)

    weight 24 pounds 3 ounces

    I've been waiting for this frame for two years, since it was the sl and in the mean time i got a SC blur trc as a place holder. well, after one quick ride, it was well worth the wait and in not going to regret selling the trc.

    Also, I have a chilly and and the endo is not a smaller version of the chilly. It is its own beast. it's a purpose built trail slayer. the endo has much more platform built in and its much more lively and playful. After just one ride on the endo, it makes the Chilly feel like a "big" bike.

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    Nice build! What's the thinking behind running a chain guide on an XC rig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    heres mine!

    I've been waiting for this frame for two years, since it was the sl and in the mean time i got a SC blur trc as a place holder. well, after one quick ride, it was well worth the wait and in not going to regret selling the trc.

    Also, I have a chilly and and the endo is not a smaller version of the chilly. It is its own beast. it's a purpose built trail slayer. the endo has much more platform built in and its much more lively and playful. After just one ride on the endo, it makes the Chilly feel like a "big" bike.

    Cheers
    Please keep us posted. I am thinking of a similar set up but don't want to have any overlap with my Chili. Looking for a bike that is light enough to ride all day, but still have a lot of fun on. Interested to hear how it compares to the TRC after you have some time on the new bike.

    Looks great!

    TG

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    Got mine today. Thanks to Dusty for making it happen so smoothly.

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    I should have it built up in a week or two as I'm waiting on a couple parts. Killer looking frame. I'm looking forward to trying something different - it should be a ripper

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    Nice looking build!!!

    Great to hear to about its performance. I also owned a Blur TRC and recently sold it.

    My needed parts to finish the build didn't arrive today and I head out of town for work, so my first ride will be next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pfarrell View Post
    heres mine!

    The Build:

    Medium raw Endo with fox ctd
    Fox 32 140mm fork
    Sixc bars
    Thomson 90 mm stem 10 degree rise cause its a xc rig
    Magura MT8 brakes
    Thomson post, selle italia seat, chromag clamp
    Race face next carbon cranks with 34 tooth ring
    crank bros candy 11 pedals
    MRP g2 sl mini
    sram xx cassette 11-36
    sram xo shifter and short cage rear derailleur
    Enve xc rims on king hubs
    maxxis aspen tires ( probably get changed out soon)

    weight 24 pounds 3 ounces

    I've been waiting for this frame for two years, since it was the sl and in the mean time i got a SC blur trc as a place holder. well, after one quick ride, it was well worth the wait and in not going to regret selling the trc.

    Also, I have a chilly and and the endo is not a smaller version of the chilly. It is its own beast. it's a purpose built trail slayer. the endo has much more platform built in and its much more lively and playful. After just one ride on the endo, it makes the Chilly feel like a "big" bike.

    Cheers
    I had a carbon blur with 100mm fork and 2.1 Aspens on it. I switched out the Aspens to 2.2 trail kings and took the spacer out the fork and set it at 120mm which totalły transformed it from an XC racer to a capable trail bike. My point is I think with a 34 fork and chunky tires the endo will be closer to the Chilcotin than you describe
    Even with the more efficient pedaling platform. However, if I had a Chilcotin I would build an endo up light to ensure distinct separation.

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    Will the Endorphin accept the CCDB Air shock?

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    Faster than a speeding Bullit!
    Sorry to post this cheesy picture of my build again, but it still best fits the way I feel about the new Endorphin. Today I was able to catch up to a SC Bullit that had a head start on the downhill. Now I know that there are tons of variables when it comes to which bike is faster, rider and trail type for example. The Bullit rider was no slouch, and Leverich Canyon in Bozeman was built for downhill trail riding (berms and jumps but no stunts). There is no doubt that the Bullit would dominate on chunky trails, but the precise handling and quick acceleration of the Endo seemed to give it the edge today. When you factor in the fact that the Endorphin is a great climber, it takes the gold. My intent is not to trash another bike, but to relate my experience with an unlikely comparison. Maybe in the end it is my personal myth that big bikes are faster on the down that has lead to this love post for the Endorphin.

    In any case, for those about to build... I salute you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teknospeed View Post
    Nice build! What's the thinking behind running a chain guide on an XC rig?
    better safe than sorry. with the low bb and and running a 140 fork and flush headset, i didnt want to take any chances. Its an xc bike but it's still gonna see plenty of chunk

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    Endo

    Bike Setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Medium, Raw
    * Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD w/Trail Adjust
    * Fork: Fox 36 Float RLC @160mm
    * Brakes: Marta Magura 180/160
    * Shifter: SRAM XO
    * Cranks: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO
    * Pedals: CB Candy 3
    * Stem: Thomson 80x0
    * Handlebar: Raceface SixC 725 wide
    * Seatpost: KS Lev 150
    * Saddle: Rocket SLT Ti
    * Seatpost Collar: Salsa
    * Bottom Bracket: XTR
    * Chainring: XTR 32/22
    * Cassette: XTR 34/11
    * Headset: Canecreek Forty ZS
    * Grips: ODI Lock-on
    * Front Tire: Specialized Butcher Control 2.3
    * Front Rim: ZTR Flow
    * Front Hub: Chris King
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent EXO 2.25
    * Rear Rim: ZTR Flow
    * Rear Hub: Chris King

    * 29.3 lbs

    Rider Setup:
    * Weight: 145
    * Height: 5' 10.5"

    Unfinished:
    * Cut Steerer
    * Lengthen Rear Brake Hose
    * Chainstay Protector

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    Bike Setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Medium, Raw
    * Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD w/Trail Adjust
    * Fork: Fox 36 Float RLC @160mm
    * Brakes: Marta Magura 180/160
    * Shifter: SRAM XO
    * Cranks: XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO
    * Pedals: CB Candy 3
    * Stem: Thompson 80x0
    * Handlebar: Raceface SixC 725 wide
    * Seatpost: KS Lev 150
    * Saddle: Rocket SLT Ti
    * Bottom Bracket: XTR
    * Chainring: XTR 32/22
    * Cassette: XTR 34/11
    * Headset: Canecreek Forty ZS
    * Grips: ODI Lock-on
    * Front Tire: Specialized Butcher Control
    * Front Rim: ZTR Flow
    * Front Hub: Chris King
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Ardent EXO 2.25
    * Rear Rim: ZTR Flow
    * Rear Hub: Chris King

    * 29.3 lbs

    Rider Setup:
    * Weight: 145
    * Height: 5' 10.5"
    Looking forward to hearing your initial impressions and a comparison to the 5 Spot.

    Build looks great!

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    Another awesome build. I am going crazy at the moment. I have every component, except the lower headset assembly, which is a critical piece. A little mix up in communication. And, none of the local bike shops carry a 44mm zerostack so I waiting for the one that I ordered to be delivered.

    How's the Endorphin with a 36 at 160mm? I am planning to drop my 36 to 150mm to keep it quick and low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    How's the Endorphin with a 36 at 160mm? I am planning to drop my 36 to 150mm to keep it quick and low.
    I can't provide any real world feedback yet. The shakedown ride is hopefully Tuesday. But, I can give you some numbers to geek out on. With the 36 @ 160 and ZS the HA reads 65.3* using a magnetic angle finder. I think the finder is off a .5* as it read my Spot at 66.5* which I'm very sure was 67*. I'll put my money on the Endo being closer 66* as it sits. The BB is bang on 13.5", WB is 45" even.

    I have a 10mm spacer coming for the 36 that I may try out if I find 160 to be too slow or floppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LncNuvue View Post
    I can't provide any real world feedback yet. The shakedown ride is hopefully Tuesday. But, I can give you some numbers to geek out on. With the 36 @ 160 and ZS the HA reads 65.3* using a magnetic angle finder. I think the finder is off a .5* as it read my Spot at 66.5* which I'm very sure was 67*. I'll put my money on the Endo being closer 66* as it sits. The BB is bang on 13.5", WB is 45" even.

    I have a 10mm spacer coming for the 36 that I may try out if I find 160 to be too slow or floppy.
    Thanks Even though I didn't have the lower headset assembly. I did attempt to measure the headangle (also with a magnetic angle finder) and I am getting numbers similar to you (plus or minus a larger deviation owing to a bit of steertube flop). I hoping to get the headangle to 66.5 with 36 at 150mm. I like this geometry on my Delirium for pedaling.

    I am also running a zero stack. From my reading the Fox 34 are about 7mm shorter (A2C) than Fox 36. Knolly build kit is with a Fox 34 at 150mm (A2C =528 plus zero stack of 4mm, it is around 532 A2C). Endorphin is 67 at 533mm A2C. So for a headangle of 66.5 - I need A2C of ~543. Fox Float 160mm has A2C of 545. With a zero stack (+4mm), and -10mm reduction of travel (539 A2C), I should be in the preferred ballpark. Granted these are just numbers - real world testing is required.

    Note I found the Podium to be a tad slacker than suggested. I wonder if this is similar to the Endorphin. Slacker is my preferred side of the random of error.

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    2013 Knolly Endo

    Here's mine. Sorry for the crappy pics. I'm not a good photographer.

    2013 XL Endorphin w/ Fox CTD LMNOP 123 ASAP
    2012 Marzocchi 55 Microswitch TA - 1 1/8 straight steerer
    2007 DT Swiss 1750 (with Stans Flow rim laced to the back)
    XT 2x10 drivetrain (36, 24, 11-36)
    XTR Shadow Plus rear d
    XTR Trail Brakes - yummy
    CB Iodine 11 Carbon Bar
    Thomson post and 70mm Stem
    CC 40 ZS headset
    2012 Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR tires 2.2 rear, 2.35 front - with tubes
    XTR Trail pedals
    ODI Rogue grips
    WTB somethin somethin saddle
    Chromag seatpost collar
    ISCG 5 tabs removed

    29.75 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    Here's mine. Sorry for the crappy pics. I'm not a good photographer.

    2013 XL Endorphin w/ Fox CTD LMNOP 123 ASAP
    2012 Marzocchi 55 Microswitch TA - 1 1/8 straight steerer
    2007 DT Swiss 1750 (with Stans Flow rim laced to the back)
    XT 2x10 drivetrain (36, 24, 11-36)
    XTR Shadow Plus rear d
    XTR Trail Brakes - yummy
    CB Iodine 11 Carbon Bar
    Thomson post and 70mm Stem
    CC 40 ZS headset
    2012 Bontrager XR4 Team Issue TLR tires 2.2 rear, 2.35 front - with tubes
    XTR Trail pedals
    ODI Rogue grips
    WTB somethin somethin saddle
    Chromag seatpost collar
    ISCG 5 tabs removed

    29.75 lbs

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    Herzalot: out of interest, how tall are you? Im 6'3" and currently ride a 2010 XL Endophin but am thinking of swapping for a 2012 and Im not sure whether to drop a size....

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    Here's an updated photo of mine. Ended up with new black lowers for my Revelations, apparently the bushings in the legs are bonded into place, so when you wear them out you have to buy new legs.... Well at least they are back to their original color.
    Frame is an XL - I'm 6'3" w/ a 34 inseam. Build kit is basically XTR with I9 wheels, RF SixC bar and Atlas 65mm stem, 110 headset and KS i950 post (will be replacing it with a 150 LEV in the spring). Currently running some spindly little Conti 2.4 TK's.
    The Endo isn't getting much use at this time of year, looking forward to warmer temps so I can spend more time with the rear shock, ended the season fighting with it.

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    XL is right

    Quote Originally Posted by SixZeroSixOne View Post
    Herzalot: out of interest, how tall are you? Im 6'3" and currently ride a 2010 XL Endophin but am thinking of swapping for a 2012 and Im not sure whether to drop a size....
    I am 6'4" with a long torso. Lots of seatpost showing when I ride in the full XC saddle position on this frame, and lots of standover clearance, so I would recommend staying with the XL.


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    New Endo

    Bike Setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Large, Raw
    * Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD w/Trail Adjust
    * Fork: 2011 RS Revelation RLT Ti @ 150mm
    * Brakes: Shimano XTR
    * Shifter: Shimano XTR
    * Cranks: Shimano XTR
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR Plus
    * Front Derailleur: Shimano XTR
    * Pedals: Shimano XT
    * Stem: Thomson 70 X 0
    * Handlebar: Easton Havoc Carbon 750mm
    * Seatpost: KS Lev 125
    * Saddle: Chromag
    * Seatpost Collar: Chromag
    * Bottom Bracket: ShimanoXTR
    * Chainring: Shimano XTR 38/26
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 36/11
    * Headset: Canecreek Forty
    * Grips: Lizard Skins "Knolly"
    * Front Tire: Specialized S-Works Purgatory 2.2
    * Front Rim: Stan's ZTR Flow
    * Front Hub: Hope Pro II
    * Rear Tire: Specialized Captain Control 2.2
    * Rear Rim: Stan's ZTR Flow
    * Rear Hub: Hope Pro II

    * Weight: 28.0 lbs.

    Rider Setup:
    * Weight: 180
    * Height: 6'1.5

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    New to the board but have been lurking while my Knolly Endo was being built up. Appreciate all the great Knolly info here. Big thanks to Scott and Phillip at Salvagetti for working with me on the build.

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    Bike Build:
    Knolly Endorphin Large (Rider 6'2" 195lb)
    Fork- Fox 34 CTD 150
    Shock- Fox CTD
    Headset- Cane Creek 110
    Bars- Raceface Atlas 785mm May end up cutting these a bit, want to ride it some first.
    Stem- Raceface Evolve 70mm
    Seatpost- Raceface Evolve
    Seat- WTB Devo
    Seatpost Collar- Salsa
    Cranks- XT 2x10
    Chainrings- XT 38/26
    Cassette- XT 36/11
    Shifters- XT
    Rear Derailleur- XT Clutch
    Front Derailleur- XT
    Brakes- XT 180/160
    Wheels- Enve AM Carbon tubeless
    Hubs- DT Swiss 240s
    Tires 2.40 HR2 Rear, 2.40 Ardent Front
    Grips- Lizzard Skin Salvagetti lock on
    Comes in little over 28lbs

    Can't wait to get out and ride this thing. It's been 7 years since I've had a new bike.

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    Beautiful bike. I am a little surprised it came in over 28lbs with that build. It's not heavy, but I keep seeing them hit the sub 27lb territory. My XL is 29.75 with a heavy Marz 55 fork. Very awesome. I hope you can get away from the snow and give 'er a proper initiation ride.

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    Thanks. I haven't weighed it myself. Basing the weight off what the shop told me. I'll have to double check and let you know. I'm still in ski mode but having the Endo in the gargage it's tough not to want to drive somewhere and go for a ride.

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    hey thommy,
    bought my yellow frame at salvagetti as well, and waiting on most of my parts to come in now...doing an XT build too, but everything else is a little different along with red accents...my calculations show about a 29lb build

    also haven't had a new bike since 2005

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    Have you Knew Knolly Endo owners posted your ride impressions here:

    Knolly Endorphin All Mountain Full Suspension Reviews

    20 for 20 perfect scores so far covering three different versions.

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    Sin- I'm sure Salvagetti has treated you well. Good to know I'm not the only one who's waited way too long to get a killer bike setup. Good luck with your build.

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    In any case, for those about to build... I salute you.
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    Basing the weight off what the shop told me.
    I'm with Herzalot--28+ sounds too high. Unless those are some extra beefy tires, I would guess around 27 lbs (maybe even a bit less).

    Enjoy the snow; and when the time comes, give us a ride report on your Endo.
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    I just had a custom Marzocchi Roco Air TST built from scratch for me meant to optimize the Endorphin's particular linkage and suspension design. It was built by Joe at BikeCo in Lake Forest, CA. He is Brian Lopes' current mechanic and has been for years. He is probably the most knowledgeable Marz mechanic on the planet. First ride today. Super plush, but very active while climbing. I cleaned a climb I rarely make, but we are still dialing in the design. This could be very, very good. Don't get me wrong, the CTD worked very well and is probably already optimized for the Endo - but I have access to this service, so let's see what happens.

    Second ride today. Super plush on trail chatter and bigger chop like foot-deep holes and two-foot drops, but it needs some platform for climbing. Bob and bounce. In its current form the shock is either completely locked or completely open - despite the TST lever. More tweaking this week. I will re-iterate - nothing really wrong with the FOX CTD, just experimenting.

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    Good job! Another "Vader edition" Endorphin

    The Build:

    2013 Knolly Endorphin in large black ano.
    Shock: Fox RPCTD123 and CC DBair.
    Fork: 2012 Fox 36 RLC shortened to 150mm travel.
    Cranks/Rings/BB: XT 3x 175's with 26/36 Blackspire rings and BBG bash / Saint BB
    Cassette: XT 11-36
    Deraileurs: XT front and XT midcage plus.
    Brakes: 2012 XT with i-spec shifters and 180/203 Ice Tech rotors.
    Head set/Stem/Bars/Grips: King / Thompson 70mm / Easton Havoc Carbon at 740mm/ Oury lock ons
    Seat/Post/Clamp: WTB PureV / Thompson / Chromag
    Wheels: King Hubs with Flow EX rims. Straight gage spokes and brass nips.
    Tires: Maxxis Ardent 2.4 EXO.
    Pedals: Point 1 Podium

    Frame Weight with Fox shock: 6 lbs. 10 oz.
    Complete Weight: 32 lbs even with DBair and tubes in the tires. No dropper post yet.

    Nice touches: Frame arrived in TWO days! Included line clips and high degree of finish work.

    First ride was good but need to make some adjustments. I had the shock about 20psi too low and hope the proper pressure will help with the pedal strikes.

    A couple of things that stand out the most when comparing this to the Chilcotin...

    1. The Endorphin is way more connected to the trail. This could be good or bad depending on the situation.
    2. The Chilcotin has far more lateral stiffness at the front of the frame. For the type of frame it is, the Endorphin is stiff enough to get the job done. (This observation should be taken with a big grain of salt because I have been riding the CRAZY stiff Delirium and Chilcotin for the past few years.) Endorphin is a true trail bike.

    Edit: No trail rides on the DBair yet, but street testing looks positive. The Endorphin should slot nicely in where I originally wanted to put the Chilcotin. Chilly just kept begging for a coil shock and better fork up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubba13 View Post
    The Build:

    2013 Knolly Endorphin in large black ano.
    Shock: Fox RPCTD123 and CC DBair.
    Fork: 2012 Fox 36 RLC shortened to 150mm travel.
    Cranks/Rings/BB: XT 3x 175's with 26/36 Blackspire rings and BBG bash / Saint BB
    Cassette: XT 11-36
    Deraileurs: XT front and XT midcage plus.
    Brakes: 2012 XT with i-spec shifters and 180/203 Ice Tech rotors.
    Head set/Stem/Bars/Grips: King / Thompson 70mm / Easton Havoc Carbon at 740mm/ Oury lock ons
    Seat/Post/Clamp: WTB PureV / Thompson / Chromag
    Wheels: King Hubs with Flow EX rims. Straight gage spokes and brass nips.
    Tires: Maxxis Ardent 2.4 EXO.
    Pedals: Point 1 Podium

    Frame Weight with Fox shock: 6 lbs. 10 oz.
    Complete Weight: ?

    Nice touches: Frame arrived in TWO days! Included line clips and high degree of finish work.

    First ride was good but need to make some adjustments. I had the shock about 20psi too low and hope the proper pressure will help with the pedal strikes.

    A couple of things that stand out the most when comparing this to the Chilcotin...

    1. The Endorphin is way more connected to the trail. This could be good or bad depending on the situation.
    2. The Chilcotin has far more lateral stiffness at the front of the frame. For the type of frame it is, the Endorphin is stiff enough to get the job done. (This observation should be taken with a big grain of salt because I have been riding the CRAZY stiff Delirium and Chilcotin for the past few years.) Endorphin is a true trail bike.

    Edit: No trail rides on the DBair yet, but street testing looks positive. The Endorphin should slot nicely in where I originally wanted to put the Chilcotin. Chilly just kept begging for a coil shock and better fork up front.
    Nice Endo! I dig it.

    Similar build to where my Chili started, but somehow ended up with a 37 lb free ride bike. Whoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B Gillespie View Post
    Nice Endo! I dig it.

    Similar build to where my Chili started, but somehow ended up with a 37 lb free ride bike. Whoops.
    Thanks. This is where my Chili started also, now it is a 36 pound grin inducer that has replaced my Delirium.
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    Nice build Bubba! I didn't know you were getting an Endorphin. You are going to enjoy it on your local trails. You can provide the ultimate review on the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Delirium....when are you getting the Podium!

    BTW - I will be in your neck of the woods in May/June, as we are doing an experiment at the Columbia River Mouth. I am deploying 100 GPS tracking drifters to describe the flow characteristics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Nice build Bubba! I didn't know you were getting an Endorphin. You are going to enjoy it on your local trails. You can provide the ultimate review on the Endorphin, Chilcotin, and Delirium....when are you getting the Podium!

    BTW - I will be in your neck of the woods in May/June, as we are doing an experiment at the Columbia River Mouth. I am deploying 100 GPS tracking drifters to describe the flow characteristics.
    I did not know I was getting an Endorphin either. I have really been looking at 29ers and considering waiting for the 650B Endorphin. Then I realized I would loose parts compatibility with the Chili and was it really worth an extra inch of rim? I was planning to run 2.4 tires regardless of rim size.

    The Delirium frame and shock sold for a decent amount of money and I put it toward the new Endorphin. Reused the 180 and 160 36's by lowering travel 10mm for each fork. Now I can swap wheels with ease if I want.

    I don't see a Podium in my future. I have a hard enough time keeping injury to a minimum with the bikes I currently own...

    Are you planning to bring a bike with you on your visit north? It is usually just starting to dry out up here around June.
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    Closest thing I have to an Endorphin build:

    Last night, I dreamed that my cousin was so impressed with my Chili that he bought and Endorphin frame with shock. You're all probably thinking "wet dream" right now; but it turned out to be a nightmare. When he rode up to show me his bike, it was awful!!! Instead of buying the build kit my cousin transferred parts from a Schwinn and was using cast-iron pipe fittings for a headset. Holly ****!!!

    When I saw the monstrosity, I freaked out; tore the franken-bike to pieces; threw the Schwinn stuff in the borrow pit; and told him that if he ever did something like that again I was going to hurt him.

    Then I woke up; realized it was a dream; and started to laugh. Not quite a Endo build story but I thought it was funny and wanted to share.
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    We really need the mods to combine threads. We have three Endorphin threads covering essentially the same things.

    My custom Marzocchi shock experiment is working out pretty well. The shock is much more plush on small trail chatter and feels fantastic going downhill. It does not bottom out, but it does go deep. At first, I was having problems with too much bob while climbing, but a second trip to Joe at BikeCo made it much more palatable. The Fox CTD was still a smidge better climbing in the Trail position, but the Marz is so damn nice, I think I might keep it on. As I said in the other thread - I am NOT recommending an off-the-rack Marzocchi Roco TST air for the Endorphin unless you have access to someone who has the know how to optimize the internals for the Endo's linkage.

    So with the Roco TST air and the LEV seatpost, how much does it weigh? Using the same shop scale where I had my bike built, it initially weighed in at 29lbs, 14oz (with XTR Trail pedals). I weighed it today at 30lbs 12oz with XT Trail pedals. Same scale. Completely acceptable for an XL with heavy duty stuff and a dropper post. The bike is still super lively and wicked fast.
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    Right, just finished building up my endo yesterday and took it for the first ride today. I am so in love with this bike!

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    Knolly Endorphin raw, Size M
    Fork: Fox 32 Talas 140mm CTD
    Head Set: Cane Creek
    Stem: Easton Haven
    Bar: Easton Haven Carbon
    Grips: ODI Ruffian
    Brakes: Shimano XT Ice-Tech 180/180
    Shifter: SRAM XO
    Seat Post: Kindshock Lev
    Seat Post QR: Tune
    Saddle: SQLab 612
    Crankset: SRAM XX1 32T
    Chain Guide: none
    Front Derailleur: none
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO Type 2 10spd
    Cassette: SRAM 1070 10spd 11-36
    Chain: SRAM powerchain 1071
    Pedals: Blackspire
    Wheelset: Crank Brother Iodine 3
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf
    Rear Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf

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    Woah, wait a minute, you're running xx1 cranks with a 10 speed cassette and rear derailleur. I had no idea that was possible. I like the idea of xx1 but I think a 42 in the rear is ridiculous. Please let us know how this set up is working out. Are you using the xx1 chain or 10 speed? Very curious.

    Quote Originally Posted by flylixl View Post
    Right, just finished building up my endo yesterday and took it for the first ride today. I am so in love with this bike!

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    Fork: Fox 32 Talas 140mm CTD
    Head Set: Cane Creek
    Stem: Easton Haven
    Bar: Easton Haven Carbon
    Grips: ODI Ruffian
    Brakes: Shimano XT Ice-Tech 180/180
    Shifter: SRAM XO
    Seat Post: Kindshock Lev
    Seat Post QR: Tune
    Saddle: SQLab 612
    Crankset: SRAM XX1 32T
    Chain Guide: none
    Front Derailleur: none
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM XO Type 2 10spd
    Cassette: SRAM 1070 10spd 11-36
    Chain: SRAM powerchain 1071
    Pedals: Blackspire
    Wheelset: Crank Brother Iodine 3
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Hans Dampf
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    Hi Pfarrell,
    Well, it was my first ride today. I did the "borderline" trail, which is one one of the rougher trails here in the black forest (southern germany). The combination of the xx1 cranks, 10 speed cassette and 10 speed chain works perfectly! The chain stays rock solid where it should. The 32T cranks and 11-36T cassette is perfect for the area I live in. When cycling in the alps, I would definetly choose 30T in the front.

    And yes, you are right: 42 in the back looks pretty strange ;-)

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    Knolly Endorphin day glow, Size L
    Fork: Fox 32 Talas 150mm CTD
    Head Set: Cane Creek
    Stem: Thomson
    Bar: Joystick Carbon
    Grips: Knolly Charger
    Brakes: Sram XX 180/160
    Shifters: SRAM XX
    Seat Post: Thomson Elite
    Seat Post QR: Chromag
    Saddle: WTB Devo SLT
    Crankset: Raceface Next 26-38T
    Chain Guide: none
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM XX
    Cassette: SRAM 1099 10spd 11-36
    Chain: SRAM powerchain 1071
    Pedals: Eggbeater 3 with ti spindle upgrade
    Wheelset: Enve XC with DT 240 hubs
    Tires: Mavic Crossmark 2.1 (soon to be Racing Ralphs)

    Climbs like a scared goat! I am super impressed with how well it pedals, even compared to my Chilcotin and Delirium.

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    OK, that thing has to be around 26lbs or less. Fox 32? Enve? Crossmark 2.1s? Yup, that's light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    OK, that thing has to be around 26lbs or less. Fox 32? Enve? Crossmark 2.1s? Yup, that's light.
    Oops. I lied. It's a Fox 34. Bad cut and paste.

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    Finally got out on the bike yesterday at Hartman Rocks. Of course it snowed like crazy last night so will be a few days before things dry out again. It's like someone is messing with me.

    Anyway I did go back and weigh the bike myself and in came in at 28.5. I'm running the 2.4EXO Ardent and HRII. So would probably cut some weight if I went to a different setup with 2.25. But so far the bike handles really well with what's on there and I need to lose some lbs myself. I'm really impressed with how the bike climbs even in descent settings. It rollls over stuff much better/snoother than my 575.

    I've got a couple set up tweaks to play around with. I feel like the cockpit is a bit tighter than what I'm used to. I tended to get in front of the bike on a couple occasions on some downhills. Going to put some more saddle time in and get a better feel for it. Maybe an XL would fit better but too early to tell. Otherwise the thing is a blast, you can really flick this thing around on the downs. Just a flat out fast bike.

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    Great to hear. Same description you see frequently - fast (and playful) bike. I too am coming from a 2009 Yeti 575, with the same components (I swapped them straight across). I loved my 575, but my Endo is a little better at everything. Yeti does make a long toptube, so the Endo will feel a bit shorter. If you are over 6'2" the XL might have been a better choice.

    BTW, I did a XC race at Hartman Rocks in 1992. Got lapped by Julie Furtado, Rishi Grewal and Tinker Juarez, to name a few. I beat like three people in beginner class! End of cross country racing career.

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    I'm right at 6'2" so kinda on the fringe between sizes, but have longish arms. That might be enough to put me more in the XL range.

    Hey at least you can say you raced with the pros. So you got that going for you which is nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thommy21 View Post
    I'm right at 6'2" so kinda on the fringe between sizes, but have longish arms. That might be enough to put me more in the XL range.

    Hey at least you can say you raced with the pros. So you got that going for you which is nice.
    One of my favorite Caddyshack quotes. I say it all the time, much to my wife's amusement... Wait -Tall, Colorado, Endorphins, Caddyshack quotes - are you sure we aren't brothers?

    Oh, I also have the distinction of being on the same results sheet as a downhiller named Gee Atherton in 2010. I was only 34 seconds slower on a 2:15 second course! Thus ended my DH career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thommy21 View Post
    I'm right at 6'2" so kinda on the fringe between sizes, but have longish arms. That might be enough to put me more in the XL range.
    Same here. I went with a large Chili and 50mm stem; nice for techy stuff, jumps, and drops, but a little cramped for full on 2-3 hr.+ XC climbs. For a proper fit on an Endo, I'd likely go with a 60-70mm stem...not sure I would want an XL, that's a lot more bike. For the record, I have plenty of seat post showing to make up the difference between a L and XL.

    Edit: btw, I'm running the Specialized Command Post BL dropper, which has a decent amount of setback and helped a lot with fit. If I switched to a dropper with 0 setback, I might need to jump up a size, especially on the more XC/Trail oriented Endorphin.

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    I'm currently running a 70mm stem. Going to try and bring the stem up a little to minimize my downward riding position I have the seat positioned forward of center. Going to move that back and see if that opens things up a bit more. Still early in the tweaking process. Just wish it would stop snowing here so I can get more time on the bike and mess with this stuff outside of the garage.

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    You live in the Crested Butte area? I live in CB and have been rallying my XL Endo hard ! We should link up!

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    * Frame Size & Color: Small, Raw
    * Rear Shock: CCBair
    * Fork: Lyrik @150mm
    * Stem: Easton Havoc 35mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Haven aluminum
    * Seatpost: Reverb
    * Headset: Canecreek 40 ZS
    * Grips: Renthal Kevlar
    * Tires: Conti Trail King 2.2
    * Wheels: Sun Ringle Black Flag pro

    * complete weight: 30.1 lbs
    * frame weight: 6.46 lbs. (with fox ctd)

    So after much hemming and hawing between the Chilcotin and Endorphin, I decided on the latter. Just got it a few weeks ago so I can only give first impressions at this point. Long term review will happen when I get more saddle time. I set it up on the "heavy" side for a typical endo build but could easily get it down to 28lbs. without too much effort. All I have to say is I think Noel hit a home run with this bike. The geometry and details on this frame are pretty much perfect for me. This is the first frame I've ever owned that I haven't wanted to tweak or wished something was different. Sure 3-d rockers would be nice, but that's a minor quibble as far as I'm concerned. So far I'm completely stoked on this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    * Frame Size & Color: Small, Raw
    * Rear Shock: CCBair
    * Fork: Lyrik @150mm
    * Stem: Easton Havoc 35mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Haven aluminum
    * Seatpost: Reverb
    * Headset: Canecreek 40 ZS
    * Grips: Renthal Kevlar
    * Tires: Conti Trail King 2.2
    * Wheels: Sun Ringle Black Flag pro

    * complete weight: 30.1 lbs
    * frame weight: 6.46 lbs. (with fox ctd)

    So after much hemming and hawing between the Chilcotin and Endorphin, I decided on the latter. Just got it a few weeks ago so I can only give first impressions at this point. Long term review will happen when I get more saddle time. I set it up on the "heavy" side for a typical endo build but could easily get it down to 28lbs. without too much effort. All I have to say is I think Noel hit a home run with this bike. The geometry and details on this frame are pretty much perfect for me. This is the first frame I've ever owned that I haven't wanted to tweak or wished something was different. Sure 3-d rockers would be nice, but that's a minor quibble as far as I'm concerned. So far I'm completely stoked on this bike.
    Great looking setup you have there. The Endorphin and Mojo HD are on my shortlist but I may be leaning towards an Endorphin for it's more favorable geometry (slacker head angle, lower BB height and shorter chainstays).

    Just wondering if you have anymore shots of your bike, specifically a straight on drive side shot. It's hard to find any images of the small sized Endorphin's around the interweb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeBokeh View Post
    Great looking setup you have there. The Endorphin and Mojo HD are on my shortlist but I may be leaning towards an Endorphin for it's more favorable geometry (slacker head angle, lower BB height and shorter chainstays).

    Just wondering if you have anymore shots of your bike, specifically a straight on drive side shot. It's hard to find any images of the small sized Endorphin's around the interweb.
    Sorry I don't have many photos at the moment. But here are two of the frame if that helps. The mojo hd and some other frames were on my shortlist but the endorphin geometry hit the bullseye for what I was looking for. The new endo is quicker/snappier than the older model yet retains the classic traction that Knolly's 4x4 is known for (especially with a ccdbair)(it can be a love/hate thing depending what side of the 4x4, dw-link, vpp coin you fall on) . Needless to say it has great descending and cornering manners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefmagic View Post
    Sorry I don't have many photos at the moment. But here are two of the frame if that helps. The mojo hd and some other frames were on my shortlist but the endorphin geometry hit the bullseye for what I was looking for. The new endo is quicker/snappier than the older model yet retains the classic traction that Knolly's 4x4 is known for (especially with a ccdbair)(it can be a love/hate thing depending what side of the 4x4, dw-link, vpp coin you fall on) . Needless to say it has great descending and cornering manners.
    Thanks for the pictures and info (riding characteristics). I have ridden on several types of suspensions: the Maestro (Giant), VPP, and currently the Single Pivot design (Yeti ASR-5). Although I enjoy my ASR5 and it's sportier feel, I miss having more of an active suspension on the descents.

    I'm glad the smaller frame hasn't lost much of it's characteristic looks. The shape and look tend to get compromised when they're sized down. Although, the 4x4 link and shock are pretty crammed up on the seat tube. Still, it's one hell of a good looking bike.

    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Thanks Even though I didn't have the lower headset assembly. I did attempt to measure the headangle (also with a magnetic angle finder) and I am getting numbers similar to you (plus or minus a larger deviation owing to a bit of steertube flop). I hoping to get the headangle to 66.5 with 36 at 150mm. I like this geometry on my Delirium for pedaling.

    I am also running a zero stack. From my reading the Fox 34 are about 7mm shorter (A2C) than Fox 36. Knolly build kit is with a Fox 34 at 150mm (A2C =528 plus zero stack of 4mm, it is around 532 A2C). Endorphin is 67 at 533mm A2C. So for a headangle of 66.5 - I need A2C of ~543. Fox Float 160mm has A2C of 545. With a zero stack (+4mm), and -10mm reduction of travel (539 A2C), I should be in the preferred ballpark. Granted these are just numbers - real world testing is required.

    Note I found the Podium to be a tad slacker than suggested. I wonder if this is similar to the Endorphin. Slacker is my preferred side of the random of error.
    wow, glad you guys dork out about specs.

    i'm currently building up an endorphin but want to keep within the 67° slack-ish head tube angle. I have a fox 34 float 160mm that's factory set to 150mm. Knolly's site shows the frameset built around a Cane Creek Forty series but I'm going with a Chris King Inset 7.

    I took a look at the specs for each lower stack and saw CC has a 12mm stack where CK has a 14mm stack. I'm sure this is a non-issue with only a 2mm difference but what kind of geometry can I expect; 66.98?

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    2mm is nothing to worry about. A good rule of thumb is every extra 10mm you ad to the AtC, you slack the bike out 0.5 degrees.
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    Just recieved my Endo frame today. Had a couple of questions regarding the build and thought you guys might have some answers...

    It looks like the front derailleur mounting holes got some paint in them. I want to tap them out to clean the threads up a bit, anybody know what size tap to use for these threads?

    Next question is about the dust caps covering the suspension bearings in the 4x4 linkage. The caps are not all that tight up against the bearings, maybe a 1mm gap between the dust cap and the frame/bearing. Is this how they are supposed to be? Or do I need to loosen, re-seat the dust caps and then re-torque the bolts?

    That's all for now, I'm sure I'll have a few more questions tomorrow when I continue the build. Thanks in advance for the help.

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    Not sure about the thread size for the FD but they are the same size as disc rotor bolts. I actually prefer using disc rotor bolts for the FD.

    The dust caps/suspension bolts are suppose to be that way. I had the same concern. They create less friction.

    Good luck with the build. Enjoy the bike.

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    I'm almost certain the FD fasteners are m5. I'll second the suggestion for using disc rotor bolts. The low pan head of rotor bolts projects less into the chain area and seemed to me to offer lower chance of ending up causing problems. (and I had a surplus of rotor bolts on hand)

    I also wondered about the small gap between the linkage 'dust cap' or linkage rod fastenrers (or whatever they might be called) and the mating component.
    It seemed to me that this gap may harbour dirt, contaminants etc and be difficult to clean without driving dirt in deeper.
    I considered perhaps that an o-ring (maybe AS014 or AS015) might seal that gap well and help keep filth out but I didn't want to break free the aluminum fasteners and disassemble the whole top linkage to do it.
    If I end up having to disassemble it later to service /replace bearings I might consider putting the orings in then. The idea being that the o-rings would sit high in/on the gap such that they could be rolled over and out to access, flush out the gap periodically.

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    The gap is there, IIRC, b/c there is a washer in between that only sits on the bearing inner race. This allows the bearing to spin freely and smoothly without doing damage when the whole assembly is torqued down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    The gap is there, IIRC, b/c there is a washer in between that only sits on the bearing inner race. This allows the bearing to spin freely and smoothly without doing damage when the whole assembly is torqued down.
    Thanks. Good to know the what's and why's going on in there without having to break loose the screws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kark View Post
    Thanks. Good to know the what's and why's going on in there without having to break loose the screws.
    NP. If the washer wasn't there, the dust came would sit directly on the entire bearing face and cause it to bind when torqued down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeBokeh View Post
    wow, glad you guys dork out about specs.

    i'm currently building up an endorphin but want to keep within the 67° slack-ish head tube angle. I have a fox 34 float 160mm that's factory set to 150mm. Knolly's site shows the frameset built around a Cane Creek Forty series but I'm going with a Chris King Inset 7.

    I took a look at the specs for each lower stack and saw CC has a 12mm stack where CK has a 14mm stack. I'm sure this is a non-issue with only a 2mm difference but what kind of geometry can I expect; 66.98?
    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    2mm is nothing to worry about. A good rule of thumb is every extra 10mm you ad to the AtC, you slack the bike out 0.5 degrees.
    Thanks for the rule of thumb. I always thought every 10mm of AtC was 1°

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    Well you could be right. I just read long ago it was 10mm = 0.5, but I didn't bust out my protractor or AutoCAD to prove this. haha.

    Maybe some others can chime in. But either way, 2mm is nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Well you could be right. I just read long ago it was 10mm = 0.5, but I didn't bust out my protractor or AutoCAD to prove this. haha.

    Maybe some others can chime in. But either way, 2mm is nothing.
    haha... i can get pretty meticulous when it comes to specs.

    if no one chimes in by the time i'm finished with the build i'll bust out the pocket protector and angle finder to see what technical numbers come up.

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    Dude! would know, but not sure if he's following this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Dude! would know, but not sure if he's following this thread.
    i originally quoted him, hoping that he would get an alert but like you said he's probably not following or subscribed to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post
    Dude! would know, but not sure if he's following this thread.
    Haha - Ryan is correct for every 20mm is ~1 degree and 10mm is ~0.5 degree. You can do the geometry calculation or just trust the Knolly folks...Look in the geometry of the Delirium and look at the bottom of the page - you see 2 different ranges for a 160mm and 180mm fork, which are 20mm difference
    Knolly Bikes | Delirium

    Fox 34 are a tad longer A2C than other forks in the trail category, but shorter than the 36. A quick fix if it is not exactly 69.8, put a larger tire on the rear and that will make your head angle steeper.

    Most people tend to run a larger tire upfront and smaller tire in the rear, which slackens the head angle more than one would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! View Post
    Haha - Ryan is correct for every 20mm is ~1 degree and 10mm is ~0.5 degree. You can do the geometry calculation or just trust the Knolly folks...Look in the geometry of the Delirium and look at the bottom of the page - you see 2 different ranges for a 160mm and 180mm fork, which are 20mm difference
    Knolly Bikes | Delirium

    Fox 34 are a tad longer A2C than other forks in the trail category, but shorter than the 36. A quick fix if it is not exactly 69.8, put a larger tire on the rear and that will make your head angle steeper.

    Most people tend to run a larger tire upfront and smaller tire in the rear, which slackens the head angle more than one would think.
    haha... my name is ryan also.

    thanks for the delirium reference; pretty handy info.

    by any chance do you or anyone else have the A2C length for the Fox 34 set at 150mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RyeBokeh View Post
    haha... my name is ryan also.

    thanks for the delirium reference; pretty handy info.

    by any chance do you or anyone else have the A2C length for the Fox 34 set at 150mm?
    Pretty sure it's got a 538 AtC at 160mm...
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    pfarrell, I was wondering what you thought of your Endo with a 140mm fork. I'm in the process of getting a new ride and have 90% of the parts for my build. I was aiming at an Ellsowrth Epiphany but the Endo caught my eye. I already have the fork, a DT Swiss 140 XMM Twin Shot. I ride in the NE and ride mainly rough xc with equal parts ups and downs and am hoping the fork will match up with the Endo in a more XC application. What is your opinion?
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    heres mine!

    The Build:

    Medium raw Endo with fox ctd
    Fox 32 140mm fork
    Sixc bars
    Thomson 90 mm stem 10 degree rise cause its a xc rig
    Magura MT8 brakes
    Thomson post, selle italia seat, chromag clamp
    Race face next carbon cranks with 34 tooth ring
    crank bros candy 11 pedals
    MRP g2 sl mini
    sram xx cassette 11-36
    sram xo shifter and short cage rear derailleur
    Enve xc rims on king hubs
    maxxis aspen tires ( probably get changed out soon)

    weight 24 pounds 3 ounces

    I've been waiting for this frame for two years, since it was the sl and in the mean time i got a SC blur trc as a place holder. well, after one quick ride, it was well worth the wait and in not going to regret selling the trc.

    Also, I have a chilly and and the endo is not a smaller version of the chilly. It is its own beast. it's a purpose built trail slayer. the endo has much more platform built in and its much more lively and playful. After just one ride on the endo, it makes the Chilly feel like a "big" bike.

    Cheers

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    I believe Dude!'s endorphin is now mine! I upgraded from a 2010 small endo to the 2012 medium and it is pretty much the same anorexic weight of just under 27 pounds (although I swapped ardent tires for the mountain kings). LOVE IT!


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    2012 Knolly Endorphin: Pictures, Builds, Information-imag0160.jpg

    Here's mine. Crappy cell phone pic, I will try to take a better one later on.

    Bike Setup:
    * Frame Size & Color: Large, Raw
    * Rear Shock: Fox Float CTD w/Trail Adjust
    * Fork: 2010 (?) 150 Revelation U-turn Dual Air
    * Brakes: Shimano XTR
    * Shifter: Shimano XTR
    * Cranks: Raceface SixC
    * Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT Shadow Plus
    * Front Derailleur: NONE!
    * Chainguide: MRP G2 SL with no roller for now, until I can grab an MRP AMG
    * Pedals: Crampon Ultimates right now, Time MX4's waiting in a box soon as I can get shoes.
    * Stem: Chromag Ranger 65mm
    * Handlebar: Easton Havoc Carbon 750mm
    * Seatpost: KS Lev 125
    * Saddle: WTB Pure V Team
    * Seatpost Collar: Chromag
    * Bottom Bracket: Hope Stainless
    * Chainring: Chromag 32 (more than likely going to go to a 33 or 34 fairly quick)
    * Cassette: Shimano XTR 36/11
    * Headset: Chris King
    * Grips: Odi TLD
    * Front Tire: Specialized Butcher Control 2.3
    * Front Rim: Stan's ZTR Flow
    * Front Hub: Chris King
    * Rear Tire: Specialized Captain Control 2.2
    * Rear Rim: Stan's ZTR Flow
    * Rear Hub: Chris King

    * Weight: 28.77 lbs.

    Huge thanks to Tiss'er and G-air for the many emails back and forth, those two pretty much convinced me and pushed me over the edge on this. Also to Cheezwhip for the loaner fork until my Pike arrives. Was hoping the weight would be lower, but still pretty good with what all it's built with and all things considered. And still over 5 pounds lighter than my Chili.

    Rider Setup:
    * Weight: 205
    * Height: 5'11"
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    After 3 months with my custom Marzocchi Roco TST Air I decided to switch back to the Fox CTD mid weekend to see if I noticed any differences. I rode the very same trails the next day, and have been on two solid rides since then.

    All I can say is, the Endorphin came back to life. I didn't realize just how dead the Roco made the bike. The Endo is a snappy speedster that happens to like gravity. The Roco killed that feeling. I believe the suspension curve was just wrong, and with no platform, there was just too much action in the shock. The CTD in Trail position is perfect for both snappy and surprisingly plush action. In the Descend mode, the Fox is almost as plush as the Marz. Oh yeah - the CTD is over 1/2 lb lighter too. About the only advantage to the Zoke was the bottom out control of the piggyback reservoir.

    So my experiment is over. The Fox CTD stays on there. It's the best match for the Endo. The CCDBa is too heavy and has no on-trail adjust features. However, that new Fox CTD X looks intriguing? Perhaps Noel will be working to get the tuning right for Endo and Chili applications?

    Anyone wanna buy my 2013 Roco Air TST?

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    Interesting, do you know what volume spacer size you have in your CTD? I have one of the first batch of new Endo's, it initially arrived without any spacer and shortly Knolly sent one of the smallest size which IMO was not enough, I could still bottom out the shock pretty easily. I've since had the shock PUSHed and they threw in the 2nd from the largest size which has made a significant difference, although I might still bump it up to the largest size - still playin' with the fine tuning... Bike rides pretty sweet now though!
    BTW I have a CCDBAir on another bike and it really doesn't need any on-trail adjustment, once it is dialled it is dialled!

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    I don't know what size spacer. I should find out though. I'm gonna challenge the suspension on some jumps this weekend, so we shall see if I can keep the o-ring on the shaft (snicker, tee-hee) while still being plush. Some guy I know who posts on here regularly who is my size and weight recommended running the shock with the CTD in Trail mode (1) full time (rather than switching between Descend mode and T-3) to provide a little mid-stroke push back. It's great to have so many options that work well.

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    I rarely take mine out of the trail setting, even on longer descents. I was blowing the o-ring off really easily before, much better now.

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    I rode some moderate gravity trails at Snow Summit this weekend and the little Endo did quite well. First, it soaked up the braking bumps like mad. Rock gardens, small jumps, holes - all went very well. I was mostly able to keep up with my buddies on their big bikes, and even overtook a couple of them once in a while.

    I set the CTD on Trail (2) and left it there (168psi - 210lb rider plus hydration pack and full-face helmet). I used all of the travel, but did not blow the o-ring off. It was great off of the small jumps. I was running the X-Fusion Slant on the front. All of my friends were complaining - and stopping - because their hands and forearms were hurting from their Fox 40s while I was doing non-stop runs. Not saying DHers should run Slants on their Endos for DH, just testifying that the little bike rocks and the CTD is better than I originally thought.

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    Two months in the making; definitely worth the wait! Suspension is hell of a lot more active than my Yeti ASR-5; love it! Feels completely solid over the gnarly stuff.

    Knolly Endorphin
    Color: RAW

    XT groupset:
    2x10: cranks (170mm), cassette and chain.
    rotors: front; 180 ice tech, rear; 160 ice tech.
    brakes, shifters (i-spec b-type)
    derailleurs: front, back shadow plus (clutch)

    fork: fox 34 ctd @ 150mm

    shock: fox ctd

    headset: chris king inset 7 (red)

    bottom bracket: chris king (red)

    seatpost qr clamp: chromag (red)

    handlebars: raceface next carbon (red)

    stem: raceface turbine (70mm)

    seatpost: raceface turbine

    pedals: spank spike. crank brothers mallet 3 when i want to go clipless (not shown)

    grips: odi lock-on vans waffle

    chain stain protection: lizard skins (size: jumbo)

    wheelset: dt swiss x1600 wrapped with schwalbe nobby nic (front 2.25), racing ralph (rear 2.25) [donar from the yeti]

    saddle: wtb rocket v (donar from the yeti)

    weight: 28.24lbs or 12.8kg

    future upgrades: chris king hubs (red of course), to flow ex hoops. saddle: we'll see?
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    just purchased my day glo today and am starting to get the list of parts ready. Does anyone know what Cane Creek 40 series headset I need for a taper fork (I think I have an upper, just need to figure out which lower I need)? Also, does the frame take a post mount or IS adaptor (looks like IS but want to confirm)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfinn View Post
    just purchased my day glo today and am starting to get the list of parts ready. Does anyone know what Cane Creek 40 series headset I need for a taper fork (I think I have an upper, just need to figure out which lower I need)? Also, does the frame take a post mount or IS adaptor (looks like IS but want to confirm)?
    Headtube is 44mm inner diameter Top and Bottom so you'll most likely need 40.EC44 for the bottom (correct me if i'm wrong).

    IS frame mounts.

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    Anyone tried a CCDB Air?

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    Finally

    Well its been a long time coming. I was riding a 14 yr old GT i-drive, when the frame finally cracked at the seat tube . I wanted something that climbs well, handles techy trails, lots of ups and down, rocks and roots here in the north east. And a huge selling point was I did not want a run of the mill steed, like the many Treks and Specialized bikes I see every time I get out for a ride. I'm not known for doing big drops or moderate drops for that fact, perhaps that will change now. My initial choice was an Ellsworth Epiphany but they ran out of smalls when I was able to pull the trigger. After a few weeks of milling around looking for an XC/Trail rig I found the Endo. Some very savvy parts hunting and re-using some drive train components and front wheel from the ol GT and what you see below is what I ended up with. The maiden voyage will be tomorrow.

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    Formula rotors 180f/160r
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    Loaded 85mm stem
    Thomson Seat post
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    Crossmax ST wheels fr 2011 rear 2012 i think
    DT Swiss XMM Twin Shot 140 mm fork
    Chris King headset
    WTB Silverado seat

    Bike shop scale = 26.1 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goinslo View Post
    Well its been a long time coming. I was riding a 14 yr old GT i-drive, when the frame finally cracked at the seat tube . I wanted something that climbs well, handles techy trails, lots of ups and down, rocks and roots here in the north east. And a huge selling point was I did not want a run of the mill steed, like the many Treks and Specialized bikes I see every time I get out for a ride. I'm not known for doing big drops or moderate drops for that fact, perhaps that will change now. My initial choice was an Ellsworth Epiphany but they ran out of smalls when I was able to pull the trigger. After a few weeks of milling around looking for an XC/Trail rig I found the Endo. Some very savvy parts hunting and re-using some drive train components and front wheel from the ol GT and what you see below is what I ended up with. The maiden voyage will be tomorrow.

    Attachment 815083

    XTR - Brakes
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    XT - derailleurs f/r
    Formula rotors 180f/160f
    Ritchey CF low rise handle bars
    Loaded 85mm stem
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    SpeedPlay Frog pedals
    Crossmax ST wheels fr 2011 rear 2012 i think
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    WTB Silverado seat

    Bike shop scale = 26.1 lbs
    Great looking bike. That blue is really amazing in the sun. I don't think you will be disappointed, sounds like you did your homework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    Great looking bike. That blue is really amazing in the sun. I don't think you will be disappointed, sounds like you did your homework.
    Yeah I'm really liking the color. Yeah I spent a few months deciding what I wanted in my next ride. Funny story about how I ended up with the DT Swiss fork. Before I decided on the Endo, I initially bought at Fox Float, but the online shop I bought it from ran out (end of year blow out sale) and was not able to make amends on a new Fox fork of similar spec. They did make it up to me by selling me the XTR brakes for $320 f/r shipped. I found the DT fork for $579 shipped from another shop, I made a call to them to make sure the fork was available, the sales guy went to the warehouse and made sure the fork was there so I had them send it. What I didn't know was the Ellsworth was out of the Epiphany in the small size and would not be making them in a 26" wheel size anymore . I spent a few hours making calls to them and all their dealers no one had a small to sell me. So I had this sweet fork but nothing to mount it on. Luckily I found the Endo, hopefully tomorrow's shake down run will prove the fork is a good match for the Endo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfinn View Post
    Anyone tried a CCDB Air?
    Yep, I have one on mine. I'm in the minority here but I love it for the Endo.

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    Anyone with the Fox CTD shock run the recommended PSI on Knolly's site? I was surprised to see I'm 20+ PSI over their recommendations.

    The Fox iRD App recommends 40+ PSI over Knolly's setting. What gives?

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    Check the size of the spacer in your air can, if it is the same spec as I had it may be the smallest one. I bumped mine up to the 2nd largest and (along with the PUSH tune) was able to run the recommended Knolly pressure.
    Quote Originally Posted by RyeBokeh View Post
    Anyone with the Fox CTD shock run the recommended PSI on Knolly's site? I was surprised to see I'm 20+ PSI over their recommendations.

    The Fox iRD App recommends 40+ PSI over Knolly's setting. What gives?

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