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    XTC 535 Test Report

    Dirt Rag did a test on the XTC 535 very nice!!!

    http://www.dirtragmag.com/print/arti...egory=features
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    Very nice. I wonder why KHS switched rear suspension from the hourslink, (I know I spelled it wrong) suspension???????

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    It still is the horst link. Pivot in front and below the rear axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikingsoul
    Very nice. I wonder why KHS switched rear suspension from the hourslink, (I know I spelled it wrong) suspension???????
    They even mention the evil empire in the report.

    "The matching travel 130mm rear end is a straightforward four-bar Horst Link design (licensed from Specialized), "
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    Good write up

    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Dirt Rag did a test on the XTC 535 very nice!!!
    Means when my 555 is done it will be well worth it.
    Wait,who did he tell you that?....

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    Means when my 555 is done it will be well worth it.
    Darn tootin'!

    For some reason, I have a feeling that "they who shall not be named in the dark" will forever be branded on our favorite bikes. I'm actually surprised there isn't a lawsuit against dirtrag for mentioning their name in conjunction with another brand in print (Even though it's licensed).

    Could be worse...You could be RIDING a Specialized.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I'm actually surprised there isn't a lawsuit against dirtrag for mentioning their name in conjunction with another brand in print (Even though it's licensed).
    Unfortunatly KHS has to let all know that they are using a patent of the Evil empire.


    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Could be worse...You could be RIDING a Specialized.
    That is a really disgusting thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    It still is the horst link. Pivot in front and below the rear axle.

    The bike in the review is a HL but what bikingsoul is referring to is that it appears that KHS is moving to a mini-link system for 2011-12.....

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    I thought that review was pretty good in dirt rag, the bike looks good IMHO. I'm kind of surprized you don't see more KHS bikes on the trails. They appear to be a good quality bike at a decent price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulldogTod
    I thought that review was pretty good in dirt rag, the bike looks good IMHO. I'm kind of surprized you don't see more KHS bikes on the trails. They appear to be a good quality bike at a decent price.
    Many people would rather pay top dollar for something of less value but has kicked arz in marketing than something of great value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Many people would rather pay top dollar for something of less value but has kicked arz in marketing than something of great value.
    Once again, I agree. KHS isn't sexy. Other companies pay gazillions of dollars to make their brand sexy.

    Lance rides a Trek = Trek MUST be a great bike. Why else would Lance ride one?

    Specialized has Rebecca Rusch, Alberto Contador, and (STILL!) has Ned Overend = Long lasting sponsored athletes must mean they build long lasting bikes.

    The list goes on forever.

    KHS just doesn't put the big bucks advertising in that the rest do. They have a faithful following that keeps the dollars rolling in. Although they do have some consistent wins on the off road circuits.

    I wonder if the engineering and R&D department will be expanded once the licensing term for the FSR runs out. Now THAT would be cool, but I think the price might go up. Unless they've been planning for this for a while now.

    Or I could be going WAY out on a limb.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider

    Lance rides a Trek = Trek MUST be a great bike. Why else would Lance ride one?

    Specialized has Rebecca Rusch, Alberto Contador, and (STILL!) has Ned Overend = Long lasting sponsored athletes must mean they build long lasting bikes.

    The list goes on forever.
    Get paid lots of money.

    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    KHS just doesn't put the big bucks advertising in that the rest do. They have a faithful following that keeps the dollars rolling in. Although they do have some consistent wins on the off road circuits.
    http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/2010-na...s-race-report/


    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    I wonder if the engineering and R&D department will be expanded once the licensing term for the FSR runs out. Now THAT would be cool, but I think the price might go up. Unless they've been planning for this for a while now.

    Or I could be going WAY out on a limb.
    FSR's only advantage is it allows the brake caliper to be free floating in a sense not allowing brake jack. Modern shocks have made it so the FSR doesnt BOB much. Yup Spec said it didnt BOB and people bought into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    You work too much time to wast your time on the net.
    Yeah I do. Time for bed.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    Yeah I do. Time for bed.
    Shhhhh its to guiet
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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
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    I wonder if the engineering and R&D department will be expanded once the licensing term for the FSR runs out. .........................
    Unfortunately I don't thing the engineering and R&D depts will be expanded as they might be non existent right now.
    What R&D and engineering are there to be done on catalog frames that KHS buys from some one else? As much as I agree that KHS FS frames are a great deal, they are ho-hum.
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    From the rocker back, it's the same part.

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    So much for sleep.

    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    Unfortunately I don't thing the engineering and R&D depts will be expanded as they might be non existent right now.
    What R&D and engineering are there to be done on catalog frames that KHS buys from some one else? As much as I agree that KHS FS frames are a great deal, they are ho-hum.
    That's what I mean. They have the FSR linkage licensed through whenever. They have two choices:

    1. Pay for the licensing again, and continue with the FSR suspension.
    2. Have R&D working on some cool stuff to release once the licensing term is up.

    It would behoove KHS to have R&D working behind the scenes to make a seamless transition from the FSR design to an in house design when the upcoming model year is to be released. Right about Sea Otter time would be good.

    Or they could pay some more licensing fees for a different design.

    Or they could surprise us all (Yeah right.) and go with the FSR linkage again, because hey, if only a couple people are grumbling about it on mtbr, why change a winning formula.

    My .03, that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    So much for sleep.
    Thats over rated.
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    I'd love then to go to a multi short link setup. DW if they want to pay the fees, or come up with one of their own.
    Or if they intend to keep the FSR, they should at least make it not look like everyone else's and lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I'd love then to go to a multi short link setup. DW if they want to pay the fees, or come up with one of their own.
    Or if they intend to keep the FSR, they should at least make it not look like everyone else's and lighter.
    I have a feeling that all the FSR parts come from the same factory, and everyone just buys them because they're so damn cheap. Making them lighter and unique looking would require re-engineering, and money. KHS seems very conscious about where and how the spend they're money. Or they're just cheap.

    Either way, it costs US less money.

    But I do agree, an in house design would be pretty cool to see, and if not that, a better set up than the FSR.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Peeps yo be missin somthin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Peeps yo be missin somthin.

    Prototype dh bike
    I can see buying an XC/AM version of that as long as it's cheaper than a DW/Maestro/VPP design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1
    I can see buying an XC/AM version of that as long as it's cheaper than a DW/Maestro/VPP design.
    It should be, it's a tweak on the DW link that they have a patent on here in the states. :thumbsup

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    Peeps yo be missin somthin.

    Prototype dh bike
    Yeah, I saw that, and then forgot about it. I kinda figured this was for AM/DH only. I don't know why. Maybe it was the dual crown forks. SIlly me.

    dogonfr: It's unclear who owns the patent for this setup. Did you mean KHS, or Astro Engineering? I hope you meant KHS. I'd like to see their bikes move to this suspension setup.

    Anyone have a link to some reviews of this type of suspension? I'd look myself, but I'm already running lake to work.

    Thanks.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogonfr
    It should be, it's a tweak on the DW link that they have a patent on here in the states. :thumbsup

    http://www.astroeng.com.tw/products.asp Got All Mountain then AFAMH
    It also seems the same setup is on XC & Trail, model AFXCD. Cool.
    Well, since they gave us a KHS forum, I guess I have to come up with something else for a sig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quietcornerrider
    dogonfr: It's unclear who owns the patent for this setup. Did you mean KHS, or Astro Engineering? I hope you meant KHS. I'd like to see their bikes move to this suspension setup..
    Astro holds the patent on that design. Their is more hype claiming to own a design then is really true, could say one is leasing a design. A little reading of reality.

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