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    Maiden voyage for my XLT in the dirt + questions/observations

    I had an hour to kill between classes today, so I rode up Dry Creek for my XLT's maiden voyage. Overall, it was awesome. I was anticipating more front wheel wander than actually happened (I came from a XC Expert, and this has a much more slack head tube angle), which was definitely a pleasant surprise. The descents were also pretty impressive.

    I did notice a few things though. First, I noticed that there is a bizarre creaking sound coming from the bike. I can't quite tell whether it is from the headtube/fork, or the bell crank/seatstay linkages. The flippin' bike is a ventriliquist. When I think I've isolated it, it sounds like it is coming from somewhere else.

    I have heard people with the minute :03 talk about the "click" noise that happens when the SPV threshold is broken and the fork engages, but this is different. The most frustrating thing is I haven't figured out what is causing it (i.e., it happens when I don't expect it, and I can't reproduce it).

    Also, I have a question for about brake cable routing. I have seen quite a few XLTs with zip ties going across the top tube in multiple locations to secure the lines. How are you guys doing yours?

    Typically, I would route the rear brake cable on the rider's right hand side of the head tube, but it seems to work/fit better on the left hand side, so that's what I am running. Also, I have a temporary fix for my cables staying in the channels. I took a piece of small black ziptie and cut 2 strips about 1/2 in long, then I wrapped it around the line making a u-shape and shoved it in the channel. I made sure to send enough cable through so that when the suspension engages, it doesn't pop out.

    One more thing, does anyone know where I can get a conversion factor from kg-f to in-lbs so that I can make sure that things are all torqued properly?

    Thanks in advance.

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    check the bellcrank where it connects the top tube for the squeak... un- hook the shock and cycle the suspension.. my makes a creak right there, kinda sounds like the seat creaking. i have had mine apart and greased it twice now ( this bike is only a month old, XC PRO, so it may be a little different) and it still creaks... not when the suspension is moving much just the slight weighing and unweighting as i pedal ( really noticeable on the road)
    as far as converting the KFG to FT/lb i just googled it and found it. i had it written down but have mis- placed it.

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    Torque Specs

    Thanks. I'll try that out. Just in case anyone is wondering, lb ft x .138 = 1kgf/m, but more appropriately for Jamis stuff, multiply kgf m x .868 to determine the correct amount of torque in ft lb.

    I am assuming that all of the torque specs located at http://home.cfl.rr.com/limeyland/tech_file/convert.html are in kgf m. If anyone knows whether to assume kgf m or kgf cm, please let me know.

    This site has any conversion factor you could possibly want to know http://home.cfl.rr.com/limeyland/tech_file/convert.html

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    Minute "click"

    Make sure you have enough pressure in theSPV side...35 PSI is minimum, IIRC. Try 50 PSI, and see (hear!) if it goes away.

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    Try the main pivot... nearest the BB

    Quote Originally Posted by matamua
    I had an hour to kill between classes today, so I rode up Dry Creek for my XLT's maiden voyage. Overall, it was awesome. I was anticipating more front wheel wander than actually happened (I came from a XC Expert, and this has a much more slack head tube angle), which was definitely a pleasant surprise. The descents were also pretty impressive.

    I did notice a few things though. First, I noticed that there is a bizarre creaking sound coming from the bike. I can't quite tell whether it is from the headtube/fork, or the bell crank/seatstay linkages. The flippin' bike is a ventriliquist. When I think I've isolated it, it sounds like it is coming from somewhere else.

    I have heard people with the minute :03 talk about the "click" noise that happens when the SPV threshold is broken and the fork engages, but this is different. The most frustrating thing is I haven't figured out what is causing it (i.e., it happens when I don't expect it, and I can't reproduce it).

    Also, I have a question for about brake cable routing. I have seen quite a few XLTs with zip ties going across the top tube in multiple locations to secure the lines. How are you guys doing yours?

    Typically, I would route the rear brake cable on the rider's right hand side of the head tube, but it seems to work/fit better on the left hand side, so that's what I am running. Also, I have a temporary fix for my cables staying in the channels. I took a piece of small black ziptie and cut 2 strips about 1/2 in long, then I wrapped it around the line making a u-shape and shoved it in the channel. I made sure to send enough cable through so that when the suspension engages, it doesn't pop out.

    One more thing, does anyone know where I can get a conversion factor from kg-f to in-lbs so that I can make sure that things are all torqued properly?

    Thanks in advance.

    There's a rather large bolt at the main pivot nearest the BB... Early on with my NOS 2004 XLT (bought last year), this bolt loosend and creaked. It's actually 2 bolts that go together. take it all out, apply locktite to threads, reinsert with grease (phil wood, or similar). tighten and wait. Mine has not loosened or creaked in over a year.

    Tie wraps/zip ties -- no other way around it, man... It's one of my gripes too. IT makes the bike look a little messy, but overall, it's a good bike.... He's an old picture from when I uilt it a year ago... I now have a 2006 minute 3 (awesome fork!) and a bunch of other upgrades since a year ago.....

    I wrote some reviews a year ago that you can search for , or PM me if you wnat any other info...
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    Thanks! Hopefully I'll tear it down this weekend.

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    I route my rear brake cable on the left. My rear der. on the right. Fr. der in the middle.

    I occasionally have a teeny "click" sound. I haven't isolated it yet, but last time I had it, I lubed up the main pivot and my crankset. Dunno which it was, but it got rid of it for a while. I don't notice it on the trail b/c it's so quiet.

    Overall, a killer bike though.

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