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    Jamis Renegade

    Is the Renegade released yet ? I stopped by the dealer in my town and he didn't see any delivery date. I would like to take a look at it. If you have seen it, what are your thoughts?

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    Lifting this thread, anyone riding the renegade expert and want to give a brief review?

    I am thinking of buying one and am curious about how you like it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stemag View Post
    Lifting this thread, anyone riding the renegade expert and want to give a brief review?

    I am thinking of buying one and am curious about how you like it?
    I have had a Renegade Expert for about 6 months and I really love it. I got a Kona Rove for gravel riding, but it ended up being too slow for just standard road rides with friends riding straight up road bikes. I decided to get something that leaned a little more toward road on the road-gravel spectrum and the Renegade has been a good choice. I put some 28mm tires on it for all around general use and I can do gravel and standard road rides on it and I switch back to the 35mm tires for the rough stuff and mud. It is comfortable and handles great and absorbs bumps really well. Its a bit heavy, especially the wheels, but I look to upgrade those at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajohnsky View Post
    I have had a Renegade Expert for about 6 months and I really love it. I got a Kona Rove for gravel riding, but it ended up being too slow for just standard road rides with friends riding straight up road bikes. I decided to get something that leaned a little more toward road on the road-gravel spectrum and the Renegade has been a good choice. I put some 28mm tires on it for all around general use and I can do gravel and standard road rides on it and I switch back to the 35mm tires for the rough stuff and mud. It is comfortable and handles great and absorbs bumps really well. Its a bit heavy, especially the wheels, but I look to upgrade those at some point.
    Thanks for the info ajohnsky, seems like a bike for me.
    I want a bike that handles gravelroads and singletrack, but i donīt want it to be heavy and sluggish.

    Is it more a cx or a roadbike? I hope it feels like a real CX?

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    I also have an expert (with nicer wheels). It can ride anything. The geometry is not very racy though, though certainly moreso than a straight up touring bike. I guess most like an endurance road bike with clearance for 40mm tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmjones View Post
    I also have an expert (with nicer wheels). It can ride anything. The geometry is not very racy though, though certainly moreso than a straight up touring bike. I guess most like an endurance road bike with clearance for 40mm tires.
    Thanks zmjones, that would be my choise to, an expert with wheel upgrade.

    What do you think, is 40mm max in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stemag View Post
    Thanks zmjones, that would be my choise to, an expert with wheel upgrade.

    What do you think, is 40mm max in the rear?
    42mm I know will fit. 40 fits with room to spare. you could go larger but would sacrifice mud clearance

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    renegade expert w/ pacenti wheels

    here is mine with schwalbe g-one. ostensibly they are 38mm but they look about the same size as my wtb nanos.


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    looks like some nice upgrades for the 2017 version

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    the 2017 looks nice

    but now they have a sale on 2016 expert at Evans cycles for 1400 British pound.
    that seems like a to god price to miss.
    But i am a bit unserten what size i should go for: 56 or 58?

    i am 182 cm tall (5,11?) and 90cm inseam (35 7/16 inch?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stemag View Post
    the 2017 looks nice

    but now they have a sale on 2016 expert at Evans cycles for 1400 British pound.
    that seems like a to god price to miss.
    But i am a bit unserten what size i should go for: 56 or 58?

    i am 182 cm tall (5,11?) and 90cm inseam (35 7/16 inch?)
    you've got long legs! i'd go with the 58. i am the same height roughly but have a 32in inseam and ride a 56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmjones View Post
    you've got long legs! i'd go with the 58. i am the same height roughly but have a 32in inseam and ride a 56.
    Yes i know, too long legs, always have a huge drop.
    i will prob. go with a 58 and maybe a shorter stem and a seatpost with no setback.
    the reach on a 58 is 396 mm and it seems a little too long for me, i have 380 today but that on the other hand feels a little to short.



    thanks for the input.

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    I'm on the Elite. Great bike. I wish I had the newer version with rear thru axle but I got a great deal on a 2015 demo version so I can't complain. At least the front where it really matters for me is 15mm TA.

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    Nice Picture Nubster!

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    Does anyone have tubeless 40mm's on the 17mm Alex470 ATD's that fit with a bit of room to spare (mud considered)? Having a tough time finding people who have done it successfully. Mostly concerned with clearance at rear of bottom bracket. Thanks!

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    Hi VaGuy,

    Which model Renegade?

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    2015 Renegade Expert. Just looking to see if people had tubeless tires nearing or at 40mm that would clear the rear of the bottom bracket without rubbing/very tight tolerances. Thanks!

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    VaGuy,

    Shouldn't be an issue, we run 40's on them all the time. Plenty of clearance on the stays with an MSO 40 on the stock rims.

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    has anyone run ~2.1 knobbies on a 27.5" rim?

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    Here's my 2016 Renegade Exploit, the 631 Reynolds steel. Built it for commuting and gravel grinding, a great bike. Campa Chorus shifters and rear derailleur & CX11 cranks, Shimano CX70 fd (only top pull road fd I could find...) and WTB i19 rims laced to DT Swiss 350 hubs.

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    I am this close to ordering an Elite, but i am still a little uncertain about what size i should order.
    Like zmjones says i would probably go with an 58 but i am a little worried that it maybe will be to long reach?

    182 cm long and 90 cm in-seam, so i got quite long legs.

    I would really appreciate some advice.
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    I can tell you that the stem on the 58 is stupid long and the 15 degree setback post makes it even worse. I'm 6'2" with a 32" inseam and I got a 58. I had to shorten the stem and get a 0 degree seat post to be able to ride the bike. After that...it was good. But expect to have to change out one or the other or both. You might be ok with the seat post since you have long legs but being that you have a shorter torso you'll almost definitely need to swap the stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    I can tell you that the stem on the 58 is stupid long and the 15 degree setback post makes it even worse. I'm 6'2" with a 32" inseam and I got a 58. I had to shorten the stem and get a 0 degree seat post to be able to ride the bike. After that...it was good. But expect to have to change out one or the other or both. You might be ok with the seat post since you have long legs but being that you have a shorter torso you'll almost definitely need to swap the stem.
    Thank you Nubster.
    Yes my plan is to order an 58 and a 90mm stem. Hope thats enough? Dont really want to swap the seatpost since it is so integrated with the saddle. (On the Elite)


    Edit: i have now ordered my bike, i went with the Expert, too god price to miss: aprox: 1550 USD for a 2016 bike.

    ordered a 58 with an extra stem 90mm.


    Update:
    After a couple of weeks riding my 58 i can really agree with you Nubster, this bike is long. maybe to long for me.
    As you said i swaped the stem for a 90mm and a seat-post without setback, but still i think i feel a little to stretched out on the bike.
    Maybe itīs just getting used to a new geometry, my last bike was maybe a bit to small for me and i have ridden it for many years now.

    I hope i can get used to it because i really like the bike, with new tires WTB Nano race 40 it blasts through the woods :-)
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    I am a real sucker for wide tyres, anyone tried the WTB riddler 45C?
    I am a bit curious of if they will fit in the rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stemag View Post
    I am a real sucker for wide tyres, anyone tried the WTB riddler 45C?
    I am a bit curious of if they will fit in the rear?
    i have one on the front and it fits fine, maybe 4-5mm or so clearance on each side? i haven't tried it on the rear though.

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    Thanks, wonder if it will fit in the rear?
    I have WTB Nano 40 today and would really like to test the Riddlers (if they fit)

    I have a new set of wheels ordered with new Crest mk3 rims and would likt to test new tyres on those.

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    my guess is yes but i am too lazy to try it out. this is on easton rc90 sl disc rims, which are 19.5mm internally

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    Hi, I hope someone can help me
    I have read in some thread somewhere about another Jamis Renegade Expert owner who had problems with a crack in a seat stay?

    He tried to make reclamation but I donīt think he didn’t get any help (his dealer or maybe Jamis said that he had fallen with the bike and made the damage himself)

    Now I have the same situation, a damage on one of the seat stays and I really would like to read that thread again (and maybe get in contact with him)
    I have never fallen or in any other way my self made any damage to my bike, it was a total chock when i saw thisJamis Renegade-seatstay.jpg

    I have made reclamation through my dealer Evans Cycles and am waiting for a reply from them now
    I myself think that maybe the seat stays are a little bit too thin (flexing to much)?

    Anyone else with experience of this, or maybe can help me find the thread I am searching for?

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    I have a steel framed Renegade and dont have issues with my seatstays, but the paint is peeling off around the bottle cage bolt holes and fender bolt holes. I have not even taken the bolts out of the fender mounts and the paint is chipped all around them. Not sure if its an application process issue or what.

    I would hope Jamis helps you out in your situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gherrmann19 View Post
    I have a steel framed Renegade and dont have issues with my seatstays, but the paint is peeling off around the bottle cage bolt holes and fender bolt holes. I have not even taken the bolts out of the fender mounts and the paint is chipped all around them. Not sure if its an application process issue or what.

    I would hope Jamis helps you out in your situation.

    I am sorry but Jamis wonīt help me, they say that i have done this myself.

    I am devastated, this is not what i expected when buying from a (what i thought) was a legit company

    It looks as i am a sucker who have bought a bike from a company with serious credibility issues.


    The dealer say that it clearly is my fault and is not covered by warranty.
    But if i like i can send the bike back to Evans bikes in England (from Sweden) so they can take a look at it ( but they say that it may not change the outcome)

    So my only option is to send the bike back and be whiteout bike for maybe a month or two, then they will send it back, and god knows what more damage it will get in transport, whiteout them probably not changing their mind?

    Now i have a bike i canīt trust and no help whatsoever from the dealer or Jamis

    This would never have happened with another company like Specialized or Trek or whatever, they trust the customer and help them, rather than just assuming that you are trying to trick them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmjones View Post
    looks like some nice upgrades for the 2017 version

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    The 2017 changes are great, the improved rack mounts and fork bottle/ low rider rack mounts are wonderful. What disappoints me is the move from 15mm to 12mm on the front thru-axle.

    I find the 12mm standard so annoying. Having to worry about everything from roof rack adapters to new hub end caps just to save a few grams. Does anyone know if the 2017 forks allow the threaded inserts to be changed to go back to a 15mm? I plan to buy a Exploit or Expert and will switch to my current better wheels right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853 View Post
    The 2017 changes .... Does anyone know if the 2017 forks allow the threaded inserts to be changed to go back to a 15mm?
    According to this article, they can. Yea! I may serious buy one today.
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    Shoot, the 54 is too small and the 56 too big. So wish Jamis made it with a 56 top tube.

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    Any thoughts on when the 2018 renegades will be announced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spillway View Post
    Any thoughts on when the 2018 renegades will be announced?
    Any changes expected?
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    Good question. At Sea Otter back in May, Jamis was showing the current 2017 models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stemag View Post
    I am sorry but Jamis wonīt help me, they say that i have done this myself.

    I am devastated, this is not what i expected when buying from a (what i thought) was a legit company

    It looks as i am a sucker who have bought a bike from a company with serious credibility issues.


    The dealer say that it clearly is my fault and is not covered by warranty.
    But if i like i can send the bike back to Evans bikes in England (from Sweden) so they can take a look at it ( but they say that it may not change the outcome)

    So my only option is to send the bike back and be whiteout bike for maybe a month or two, then they will send it back, and god knows what more damage it will get in transport, whiteout them probably not changing their mind?

    Now i have a bike i canīt trust and no help whatsoever from the dealer or Jamis

    This would never have happened with another company like Specialized or Trek or whatever, they trust the customer and help them, rather than just assuming that you are trying to trick them.
    That sucks and is concerning. My bike is holding up but the paint looks like hell...chips and missing paint all over it. No cracks or frame damage that I can tell. Never crashed...just from riding and rock dings from gravel roads. I've only put about 1000 miles on my bike too but it looks like it's been ridden for 10k miles. I'll not likely ever buy another Jamis...not so much because of that...but problems with warranty claims makes me worried if something does happen and I do know for a fact that even just contacting Jamis for even non-warranty issues is a huge PITA. And...in all honesty, at MSRP I think their bikes are over priced. I didn't pay full price for mine. Much less in fact as it was a 2015 bought in 2016 and it was a demo. No way in hell I would have paid the $4600 for my bike when it was new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    That sucks and is concerning. My bike is holding up but the paint looks like hell...chips and missing paint all over it. No cracks or frame damage that I can tell. Never crashed...just from riding and rock dings from gravel roads. I've only put about 1000 miles on my bike too but it looks like it's been ridden for 10k miles. I'll not likely ever buy another Jamis...not so much because of that...but problems with warranty claims makes me worried if something does happen and I do know for a fact that even just contacting Jamis for even non-warranty issues is a huge PITA. And...in all honesty, at MSRP I think their bikes are over priced. I didn't pay full price for mine. Much less in fact as it was a 2015 bought in 2016 and it was a demo. No way in hell I would have paid the $4600 for my bike when it was new.
    fwiw

    i had a renegade expert that i crashed into a downed tree doing ~20mph, cracking it in several places. they gave me an elite frame for $1000, which i thought was generous since this was obviously my fault.

    i've now ridden that frame about 4000 miles, have crashed i think twice, and while it has a few scratches and paint chips it is holding up very well, especially given how rough i am on it. i commuted through a nasty winter on it, loads of gravel and road miles, some singletrack, etc.

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    I'm not that concerned about the bike breaking honestly...though the paint on mine isn't holding up well there seems no issues with the actual frame. Just seems that several folks have had a really hard time with warranty claims though Jamis and I know from experience they are very hard to get a hold of even when you are trying to give them money. Hopefully I won't ever have to find out myself.
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    I recently hit a rut with my 2017 Renegade Expert- low miles, never been crashed - and pow! the seat stay snapped... it's off to Jamis now for warranty consideration.

    What a let down. I really hope they take care of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grundy View Post
    I recently hit a rut with my 2017 Renegade Expert- low miles, never been crashed - and pow! the seat stay snapped... it's off to Jamis now for warranty consideration.

    What a let down. I really hope they take care of me.
    that is a bummer. how did it crack? or did it really snap and separate? did you impact it directly?

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    Sold my Renegade today. Hated to see it go. Didn't ride it enough to keep. Probably get something new and cheaper next year.
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    It was as close to a true JRA as there will ever be. I was riding a fire road, and hit a rut with my rear wheel. I hit it hard enough that I wouldn't have been surprised by a pinch flat. But my rear wheel was immediately rubbing something and I was like, man did I really break a spoke on that? Which didn't seem likely.

    It was a broken seat stay. Snapped clean through, with no direct impact to the frame.

    The bummer is, even with a best case scenario I'll be out some cash, as they warranty the frame only and thus I'm left to pay for the shop to swap parts. That said, the shop charges 50% of list price for this labor, ie they'll split it with me. But that still stings.

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    Swap it yourself. Wouldn't take more than a couple hours taking your time and needs limited tools.
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    I guess I shouldn't have complained. I just picked up my Renegade from the shop, Jamis replaced my Expert frame n for with an Elite frame n fork.

    I had JUST bought a pair of bottle cages that matched the two green accent stripes on the Expert frame. Anyone need a pair of color matched bottle cages for their Expert?

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    Can anyone comment on how the Expat or Exploit ride on pavement? Not too heavy? Not a racer, just looking for my first gravel bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Can anyone comment on how the Expat or Exploit ride on pavement? Not too heavy? Not a racer, just looking for my first gravel bike.
    Bump. I am looking for the answer to this as well. Looking at a Renegade Exploit as a Road bike with occasional gravel and dirt path riding.

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    I have the original Expat when it first came out and I have used it as a road bike on and off since the day I got it. This last summer half ways through a 24 hour race my main road bike which was set up tubeless decided it had enough and decided to slice a side wall. I brought my Expat as a back up bike and while still in gravel trim with 42mm tires still on the bike spent the next 11 or so hours as my race steed. Yes it was a little slower than my road bike but the tires were also twice as big. If you were to throw a set of 28 or 32 mm road bike tires on it I am guessing you would be hard pressed to come up with a complaint. Now if you were crit racing or road racing that would be a different story

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Can anyone comment on how the Expat or Exploit ride on pavement? Not too heavy? Not a racer, just looking for my first gravel bike.
    I own a 2017 Renegade Exploit and love mine! Bought it in July and haven't ridden my road bike since. Trust me, it is NOT slow. It is amazing how this thing moves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I own a 2017 Renegade Exploit and love mine! Bought it in July and haven't ridden my road bike since. Trust me, it is NOT slow. It is amazing how this thing moves!
    Thanks! Very close to pulling trigger on the Expat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big N Hood Rich View Post
    I have the original Expat when it first came out and I have used it as a road bike on and off since the day I got it. This last summer half ways through a 24 hour race my main road bike which was set up tubeless decided it had enough and decided to slice a side wall. I brought my Expat as a back up bike and while still in gravel trim with 42mm tires still on the bike spent the next 11 or so hours as my race steed. Yes it was a little slower than my road bike but the tires were also twice as big. If you were to throw a set of 28 or 32 mm road bike tires on it I am guessing you would be hard pressed to come up with a complaint. Now if you were crit racing or road racing that would be a different story
    Found and purchased a 2017 Exploit in my size that was used as a demo. Only have an hour on the bike, but so far it seems perfect. I may flip the stem and shift the saddle back a touch to get the fit where I want it. Thanks for the info on this bike. It removes some of the apprehension that I had spending $.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyinWI View Post
    Thanks! Very close to pulling trigger on the Expat.
    Did you get one? I just did. The brake set-up has been a touch tricky but it's definitely beautiful!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Fatty View Post
    Did you get one? I just did. The brake set-up has been a touch tricky but it's definitely beautiful!!!
    Not yet. Still trying to decide but getting close! Glad you like the paint job, probably better in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT Fatty View Post
    Did you get one? I just did. The brake set-up has been a touch tricky but it's definitely beautiful!!!

    Ahhh, be careful that you do not pull a brake lever when there is no wheel in place. If you do, you will need to get a caliper spreader and set the brake up all over again.

    Hydraulic discs are very nice. But you need to learn their ideosyncracies.

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    Anyone know offhand the actual seat tube length of a 54cm Jamis Renegade Escapade? I'm just under 5'7" so probably between sizes, a 51 or 54, but the higher stack height of the 54 would make it easier to get my bars up around level with the seat, as my old back prefers. If someone has a 54cm steel Renegade and could post a pic that would be great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Anyone know offhand the actual seat tube length of a 54cm Jamis Renegade Escapade? I'm just under 5'7" so probably between sizes, a 51 or 54, but the higher stack height of the 54 would make it easier to get my bars up around level with the seat, as my old back prefers. If someone has a 54cm steel Renegade and could post a pic that would be great!
    I am guessing a 54 would be closer to your correct size. What is your inseam?

    Why don't you test ride one in each size and see which one fits you best?

    I am 5'10" with a 32" inseam and ride a size 56 steel Renegade Exploit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    I am guessing a 54 would be closer to your correct size. What is your inseam?

    Why don't you test ride one in each size and see which one fits you best?

    I am 5'10" with a 32" inseam and ride a size 56 steel Renegade Exploit.
    Unfortunately my preferred Jamis dealer has neither size in stock, though they are happy to order one for me. I agree that the 54cm is probably my best bet-my PBH, as measured Rivendell style is 81cm, saddle height is 69-69.4 depending on what shoes/pedals I'm using. I'm just curious about the actual seat tube length and top tube slope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Unfortunately my preferred Jamis dealer has neither size in stock, though they are happy to order one for me. I agree that the 54cm is probably my best bet-my PBH, as measured Rivendell style is 81cm, saddle height is 69-69.4 depending on what shoes/pedals I'm using. I'm just curious about the actual seat tube length and top tube slope.
    Really, no one here who has a 54cm steel framed Renegade is willing to lay a tape measure to the seat tube for a random forum stranger? Everything I've been led to believe about the internet is wrong! B-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Really, no one here who has a 54cm steel framed Renegade is willing to lay a tape measure to the seat tube for a random forum stranger? Everything I've been led to believe about the internet is wrong! B-)
    Well I would measure for you if I had a 54. Unfortunately I have a 56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Well I would measure for you if I had a 54. Unfortunately I have a 56.
    Heh, well I appreciate the thought. It doesn't matter a lot anyway, I'm just curious. I was really close to ordering a Renegade but then I heard about the upcoming Salsa Journeyman that sounds like it will be a similar bike. I'm going to wait and see what that's about before I commit. Details will be released is in a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Anyone know offhand the actual seat tube length of a 54cm Jamis Renegade Escapade? I'm just under 5'7" so probably between sizes, a 51 or 54, but the higher stack height of the 54 would make it easier to get my bars up around level with the seat, as my old back prefers. If someone has a 54cm steel Renegade and could post a pic that would be great!
    I'm just over 5'7" with short legs, stocky build, and I went with the 51. The 54 top tube was jammed up a bit too high plus the reach just felt too long to me. With the stem angle turned up, my seat is still pretty darn close to even with the handlebars. I'm just not flexible enough to reach out that far and the reach on these is a bit long (bummer, but still a great bike).

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    Has any Jamis Renegade steel/aluminum frame owners run WTB Resolute tires on their bikes? Even though the tires are listed as 42mm wide, I've read some reviews that when they are fully inflated, they measure upwards to 43-45mm and I'm wondering if they might be too wide for my Expat (rated for up to 42mm).

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    Getting to know the Renegade on the back 40 of Fort Rucker. It has been great so far.

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    Hi guys! Found a great deal on Renegade Expert Carbon and super excited to finally join the gravel grinder club and do some cross training for MTBing!

    Overall I'm super happy with the bike, but the one area that I felt was lacking was the stopping power. I did a few short runs beforehand to bed in the brakes, but on the longer descents the brakes just weren't there.

    I noticed that stock pads are "resin" and maybe I'm just use to the semi-metallics on my MTB, but what you are running and any recommendation for beefing up the stopping power?

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    I can answer my own question now-the actual seattube on a 54cm measures right around 50.5cm! I picked this up late last week and got in a couple of good ride over the weekend. I like it! It handles well, feels relatively lively (though it is not a lightweight) and with a couple of swapped out parts, fits and suits me well. I think it's a keeper...

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    Steve, great looking renegade! I am actually looking to order the exact bike. Size and all! I am 5'8 with 31ish cycle inseam so hopefully size 54 for me. How do you enjoy the reynolds steel ride quality? Jamis says that bike weighs 22lbs. Think that's accurate? Thx

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    Steve, what stem length did u go with for your fit also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1lawnman View Post
    Steve, great looking renegade! I am actually looking to order the exact bike. Size and all! I am 5'8 with 31ish cycle inseam so hopefully size 54 for me. How do you enjoy the reynolds steel ride quality? Jamis says that bike weighs 22lbs. Think that's accurate? Thx

    Steve, what stem length did u go with for your fit also?
    Thanks, I'm pretty pleased with it-hope to get a 650bX48 wheel/tire set up in there soon! You are an inch taller than I, closer to the height of my buddy that also rides a 54cm steel Jamis, actually. He flipped the stock stem to get the bars a little higher and it works fine for him. I've only put 60 or so miles on it so I haven't formed much of an impression for frame ride quality. It is a smooth riding bike, though some of that surely comes down to the plump tires. It lacks the snappy acceleration of a race bike, but if you are more into laying down miles than sprinting, I think it is a great option. A lighter wheelset and narrower tires may improve snap but would impact the versatility that made me want it in the first place. It's not really a slow feeling bike, especially once you're rolling. The weight, well, Jamis is far from the only brand that fudges those numbers. Maybe they weighed the smallest frame? I have a cheap old scale-it's not precise, but this bike as it rolled off the showroom floor is at best 24 pounds. Not a concern to me, honestly, especially at this price point. Re fit, I put a zero setback post on it to get the saddle where I need it to be in relation to the bottom bracket, and an 8cm stem to shorten the reach a hair and it feels pretty spot on.

    Here's a test fit pic of the 650bX48 GravelKing SK in back-waiting on a 12mm axle conversion for the front. Looks pretty capable!

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    Steve, how's the standover height on your 54 work for you. Looks a little tall but maybe just the pics? Hope your enjoying the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1lawnman View Post
    Steve, how's the standover height on your 54 work for you. Looks a little tall but maybe just the pics? Hope your enjoying the ride!
    No issues at all-bear in mind that I'm used to traditional road bikes with a level (or nearly so) top tube so I don't expect to have mtb-amounts of standover clearance.

    I got out again on it last evening for a casual 20 miles and it's an extremely smooth and comfortable bike! I am really happy with it. I got the parts I need to do my 650b conversion now so that'll happen hopefully in time to try this weekend!

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    Steve if your still watching this renegade post...I just ordered one just like yours today. Should be in next week. Pretty stoked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1lawnman View Post
    Steve if your still watching this renegade post...I just ordered one just like yours today. Should be in next week. Pretty stoked!
    Cool, I hope you enjoy it! I hit a snag with my 650b-ing but hope to get it sorted later this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Cool, I hope you enjoy it! I hit a snag with my 650b-ing but hope to get it sorted later this week.
    What snag did you hit with this, Steve? I am building up a 650b wheelset for my Renegade and planning on running 650bx47 WTB Byways on them. Are you planning on getting a new set of discs or will you just move the discs from your 700c wheelset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    What snag did you hit with this, Steve? I am building up a 650b wheelset for my Renegade and planning on running 650bx47 WTB Byways on them. Are you planning on getting a new set of discs or will you just move the discs from your 700c wheelset?
    Nothing too troubling-I have an older wheelset I want to use and it won't work with the cassette I had in mind. (10/11 speed mtb hub, road 11 speed cassette-Shimano was stupid to make these incompatible, imo!) I have 650bX48 Panaracer Gravel king SK's on WTB KOM i23 rims and they fit the bike without issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Nothing too troubling-I have an older wheelset I want to use and it won't work with the cassette I had in mind. (10/11 speed mtb hub, road 11 speed cassette-Shimano was stupid to make these incompatible, imo!) I have 650bX48 Panaracer Gravel king SK's on WTB KOM i23 rims and they fit the bike without issue.
    Oh OK, thanks. Yeah, the Renegade uses road disc hubs (100x12, 142x12). Most mountain hubs are 15mm TA. I'm going to be building up with the KOM i25s and Shimano RS770 hubs. Do you like the KOMs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lombard View Post
    Oh OK, thanks. Yeah, the Renegade uses road disc hubs (100x12, 142x12). Most mountain hubs are 15mm TA. I'm going to be building up with the KOM i25s and Shimano RS770 hubs. Do you like the KOMs?
    Yeah, I had to get an adapter to make the 15mm front hub work: https://www.amazon.com/15mm-Thru-Axl.../dp/B076DM2WXS Works fine.

    I've been using KOM rims on my Curtlo (mtb) since they were first introduced and they're great. Light, tough, easy and reliable tubeless set-up. No complaints, and they've been far more abused than anything I put on the Renegade will be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveF View Post
    Yeah, I had to get an adapter to make the 15mm front hub work: https://www.amazon.com/15mm-Thru-Axl.../dp/B076DM2WXS Works fine.

    I've been using KOM rims on my Curtlo (mtb) since they were first introduced and they're great. Light, tough, easy and reliable tubeless set-up. No complaints, and they've been far more abused than anything I put on the Renegade will be!
    They seem like good rims. All the complaints of failure I've read have been from people who have used them for downhill - isn't that what the Frequency is for? For a gravel grinder, I don't perceive any potential problems with the KOM.

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    Got my Renegade all gravelled up with 650bX48 GravelKing SK's!

    Jamis Renegade-40754616265_92ecd12bdb_b.jpghttps://farm1.staticflickr.com/941/4...782064e8_k.jpg

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    I really want to test ride a 51cm expat but nobody around here has anything in stock. One local shop had a 2017 a day or so ago but is now gone. They still wanted full MSRP on it being 1 year old. I havent seen any discounted models from last year. I dont think jamis made any changes to the bike for 2018 other than the paint scheme. I am hoping to find something to test ride soon. I have been looking at this bike since January.

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