2013 Jamis?

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  • 07-24-2012
    chelboed
    2013 Jamis?
    Any news? Keeping the Komodo, I hope?
    All mountain wagon wheels or b's?



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  • 07-25-2012
    mullen119
    I saw a copy of a leaked 2013 catalog at the shop I work at. Jamis claimed it was the European catalog and that is differs slightly from the North American version.

    Key things I took note of:

    The Komodo was still in it with no noticeable changes from last year other then color.

    AMT was identical.

    Dragon 9r was not speced as well as the 2012 version. Biggest difference is they dropped the Manitou Tower for a Rock Shox xc 32 tk(big downgrade) on the Dragon sport

    Dragon 650b was similar to last year. Paint was purple and looked interesting.

    No noticeable difference on the Nemesis.

    The BAM was not listed in the catalog at all.

    I didnt really look at the XCT or XCR line ups.
  • 07-25-2012
    chelboed
    Well I don't know if Jamis R&D reads this board anymore, but IMO the Komodo is the best bike they've ever produced. I know 26 ers are a dying breed, but the Komodo has outlived many of my other builds.

    I'm going to build a new gen. Mine is a gen 3 2005 (first year as a freeride hardtail) and it's been very versatile. From 34# FRHT to 26#XC'r to 32#FRHT finally to the 29.5#AMHT it is today. It can do anything very well.

    IMO...for the varied type of aggressive riding that I do (XC to DJ all in one ride) it's very capable.
  • 07-26-2012
    mullen119
    I dont think you have to worry about 26'' wheels disappearing anytime soon. I would actually be surprised if they disappear at all. Lots of people do not like the feel of 9r's and 650b is taking a long time to catch on.
  • 07-29-2012
    Molasses
    No sliding drops on the 650B Dragon?
  • 07-29-2012
    Rob-Bob
    The bam is probably not listed because the build quality has been sub par. The local resort that I ride at had 15 bam'slast year. Everyone of the frames have broken. The replacement parts that Jamis sent them have even broke. The welds on the front triangle are bad, the welds where inspected by a local welder and he said that the welds broke on the front triangle because the welds did not penetrate the aluminum. The rear triangles that have broken all broke in the same area. When Jamis was contacted about the problem they said they knew about it but they would not send new parts until the parts broke.. That's just bad.
  • 07-30-2012
    breckenridge
    Interesting to hear about the '13 Dragon Sport. Glad I snagged my '12, the LBS seemed concerned they might be out of them when I was ordering it, though they weren't.
  • 07-31-2012
    mullen119
    Jamis had a hard time keeping up with demand this year. The shop I work at had a hard time get a hold of a lot of the middle grade bikes they make. Hopefully they ramp up production next year.
  • 07-31-2012
    icalebkim1
    Is it just me, or the quality of the bikes seem to be deteriorating? Didn't Jamis used to be a killer brand with great spec/quality/price?

    And I agree with chelboed. Hope they keep it, but I like the idea of the bike being more of a AM hardtail than a low end dj.
  • 07-31-2012
    chelboed
    I agree. The image of the 2005 Komodo in the 2005 .pdf os perfect. 150mm travel fork. 2.3” meats. Love it. I'd still build a new gen into am AMHT.

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  • 07-31-2012
    chelboed
    I also wonder who built the XLT, Parker, BAM, etc...

    The Komodo has done nothing but stellar since it's inception. I've only heard of one single frame breaking. I never saw it...just a forum post. I still assume that the Komodo is built by Kinesis.

    I wonder who takes on their duallies that have had QC issues. (BTW...my Parker is still running strong) I also wonder if it's just hack riding and annoying complainers versus the silent Yeti owners that are too embarrassed to admit their illustrious 8k bike broke...thus the warranty is handled in the shadows, lol.

    If I were going to be tempted to buy another complete bike, it would have to be an AMHT. Possibly a 650 loosely based on the feel of the komodo. That would be baller.


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  • 08-04-2012
    Nickt30
    Jamis Quality
    Jamis had a mtn designer that sold the idea to lighten it all up and when they started to break he took off. The new designer's work really made these bikes sing with plenty of rigidity. 2011 improvements have been seen in the field across the board.

    PS: i am pretty sure the Komodo is still around
  • 08-04-2012
    mullen119
    Ok, I saw the north American catalog and I didn't see anything different from the European. so my first post is accurate.
  • 08-04-2012
    Nickt30
    missed that first post
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mullen119 View Post
    Ok, I saw the north American catalog and I didn't see anything different from the European. so my first post is accurate.

    You got it right.

    The XCR 26 is out
    The XCR 29 has 5 models, 2 carbon
    the XCT 26 is gone....replaced by the XCT 650B (basically the 650B from 2012 with a new top tube.
  • 08-04-2012
    mullen119
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nickt30 View Post
    You got it right.

    The XCR 26 is out
    The XCR 29 has 5 models, 2 carbon
    the XCT 26 is gone....replaced by the XCT 650B (basically the 650B from 2012 with a new top tube.

    Interesting. If I am thinking correctly, that means the only 26'' bikes left in the lineup would be the Komodo and the AMT. Now I am starting to wonder if Jamis is going to be the first company to take 26'' wheels out of there line up. I hope not, I think it would be a big mistake.
  • 08-04-2012
    manpurse
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icalebkim1 View Post
    Is it just me, or the quality of the bikes seem to be deteriorating? Didn't Jamis used to be a killer brand with great spec/quality/price?
    .

    Not just Jamis, but I've noticed "shortcuts" with quality and cheaper components but HIGHER prices everywhere. I've started bike shopping recently and have had sticker shock. It used to be that you could get an amazingly nice bike with full XT and good a fork and wheels for under $2k. Now you need to spend $3k+ for that. And Jamis used to be the "go to" bike company for the best value, not sure if it's really that way anymore.
  • 08-05-2012
    chelboed
    Blame it on the oil prices.

    Economy sucks.

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  • 08-06-2012
    breckenridge
    Its too bad bike prices aren't going the same direction as electronics prices. *thinks of 42" LCD TV in living room, that was $2k 5 years ago* But, unfortunately technological advances can't shave off cost in mechanical items like they can in electronics, especially with the cost of raw materials and labor going up.

    That being said, my '12 Dragon Sport is a very nicely made and finished bike in my opinion, but at a much higher cost than the same would have been in the early '00s when I worked at a local bike shop. A nice chromoly framed bike in 2000 with similar componentry of the day would have gone for $900.
  • 08-16-2012
    breckenridge
    Does anyone have any new-news when the '13s will officially be announced? Very interested to see the new lineup.
  • 08-21-2012
    DeeEight
    Economies of scale. Flat screen panels are produced in greater volumes so the unit cost is less. The lcd/led display itself is the expensive bit and many competing brands source from the same suppliers, which is why for example, everyone but lg uses 3d panels that are active displays and need powereed goggles that coincidently work with one anothers tvs.
  • 08-22-2012
    winsail
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by breckenridge View Post
    Its too bad bike prices aren't going the same direction as electronics prices. *thinks of 42" LCD TV in living room, that was $2k 5 years ago* But, unfortunately technological advances can't shave off cost in mechanical items like they can in electronics, especially with the cost of raw materials and labor going up.

    That being said, my '12 Dragon Sport is a very nicely made and finished bike in my opinion, but at a much higher cost than the same would have been in the early '00s when I worked at a local bike shop. A nice chromoly framed bike in 2000 with similar componentry of the day would have gone for $900.

    I don't work for Jamis but I do work with numbers all day long. Your $900.00 bike from 2000 times an annual average increase of 3.4% equals exactly $1350.00 in 2012... A bargain? Inflation has historically been around 3% each year until recently. Jamis' increase is close to inflation but could be lower.
    I think your feeling exactly what we all are.... We aren't getting that 3% raise at work every year to offset the cost of the things we love. DARN :madman:
  • 08-24-2012
    mullen119
  • 08-25-2012
    rcmaster1029
    Wow, that's a shame. It'll probably be my luck that my 2009 XCT 2.0 breaks the frame and they no longer have comparable 26" wheel frames to replace it with.
  • 08-25-2012
    mullen119
    Good point..... Beat the S*$% out of it and break it sooner rather then later :lol:
  • 08-27-2012
    icalebkim1
    Or... they might give you one of their brand new 650B frames... schweet!!!

    On a more serious tone, I'm looking at the bikes on the YouTube clip posted about three weeks ago by Jamis bikes. I can see an unfamiliar HT (George Ryan's riding it aggressive) and it could be another Komodo. Maybe Jamis does prowl the threads looking for feedback! =D

    So these are the changes/specs/things that I can notice first off:

    1. Tapered headtube. The present komodo has a 1.5 in headtube so this either may be a new model/frame update

    2. 160mm rotors. Probably indicating a low spec model.

    3. Mech brakes. Looks like tektro IO's =(

    4. QR fork and wheelset. Probably a low spec model, again.

    5. Straight toptube. Yes!! I disliked the heaps low standover of the 08-12 models.

    6. Other than that, I can't really tell any differences between the frame of that model and the 2006 komodo.

    Fork looks like a Suntour or some of RST's newer offerings, as what I can see - probably a Blaze or something like that. The quality in the video is really low, despite being in HD.

    Oh yeah, the link:

    /watch?v=MKxX36O-uCU&feature=plcp

    Everything above was just my observations; I may have been wrong (most probably am on at least a few aspects).

    One thing I do know is that this is a 2013 model as Jamis doesn't have any 2012 models that look like that.
  • 08-27-2012
    rcmaster1029
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icalebkim1 View Post
    Or... they might give you one of their brand new 650B frames... schweet!!!

    Then I'd have to buy new wheels and tires!! :eek: :D

    I think I'll take mullen's advice. :D Maybe I can find someone heavy to ride it off a cliff. :p
  • 08-27-2012
    mullen119
    2013 Komodo
    Jamis Komodo 2013 Mountain Bike | Evans Cycles

    If we are lucky, It will be available as a frame only. The specs suuuucccckkkkkk:nono:
  • 08-27-2012
    rcmaster1029
    The graphics don't look too good either, if you ask me.
  • 08-27-2012
    mullen119
    I dont hate them, but I dont like them either. The frame in general looks more DJ then AM hardtail.
  • 08-27-2012
    heypal99
    I love the new XCT 650 Pro! There is something about the paint that grabs me. MM, now just need to start saving. $4800..yikes!

  • 08-28-2012
    icalebkim1
    Sweet bike, but the head angle looks a little steep...
    I wonder whether that's just me/650B setup.
  • 08-28-2012
    heypal99
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by icalebkim1 View Post
    Sweet bike, but the head angle looks a little steep...
    I wonder whether that's just me/650B setup.

    Well I was thinking the same thing. At least compared to last years model. I guess we will have to see when the official release comes about.
  • 08-28-2012
    chelboed
    It does look steeper, but I'm beginning to think that's what I want. I've got a Komodo and a Parker, so the slacker angles are covered.

    My singletrack is pretty tight and winding these days. A steeper HA may even be more fun. Not much DH in the Midwest.

    I love the thought of the DragonB, but the Nemesis may suit me better.
  • 08-28-2012
    roscoe1971
    does anybody have any pics of the 2013 29er's?
  • 08-28-2012
    rcmaster1029
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by heypal99 View Post
    I love the new XCT 650 Pro! There is something about the paint that grabs me. MM, now just need to start saving. $4800..yikes!


    I really like the paint as well. Looks good.
  • 08-29-2012
    rvanderveur
    2013 xct 650
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    I really like the paint as well. Looks good.

    Hi, I've seen the new XCT 650 in person. The picture does no justice for this bike especially the paint. The paint is called Black Forrest. In the sunlight hues of brown, green, gold, and black shine. I know it's hard to imagine but it looks great in person.

    Top Tube, Down Tube and Chain Stays are all new. Much greater strength and stiffness at the same weight. Sal did a great job on these bikes.

    I'll see if I can get the ok to post pic's of 2013's. Dealers have all of the info now fyi.

    RVV
  • 09-01-2012
    deuxdiesel
    Drool. I have a '12 Nemesis, and the XCT 650 looks like the perfect compliment to it. $4800 is steep, but from the picture, there are no corners cut on the specs.
  • 09-06-2012
    breckenridge
  • 10-31-2012
    ProfGumby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nickt30 View Post
    Jamis had a mtn designer that sold the idea to lighten it all up and when they started to break he took off. The new designer's work really made these bikes sing with plenty of rigidity. 2011 improvements have been seen in the field across the board.

    PS: i am pretty sure the Komodo is still around

    When, oh when will bike companies learn that their main customer is looking for Durable, quality then light in a bike, in that order?
  • 10-31-2012
    ProfGumby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    I really like the paint as well. Looks good.

    Schnikies! That is one impressive looking bike! But sadly, that is more than I paid for my van...no way I could swing a bike like that...unless Jamis wanted to work a deal with a Clyde/outdoor writer, to do a long term "test".... :cool:
  • 10-31-2012
    rcmaster1029
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ProfGumby View Post
    Schnikies! That is one impressive looking bike! But sadly, that is more than I paid for my van...no way I could swing a bike like that...unless Jamis wanted to work a deal with a Clyde/outdoor writer, to do a long term "test".... :cool:

    Yeah, it's definitely up there. My bike was $1100, and it's hard for me to think of spending much more than that on a bike. A good bike is worth it, though.
  • 11-22-2012
    Oldripper
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  • 11-22-2012
    ProfGumby
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    Yeah, it's definitely up there. My bike was $1100, and it's hard for me to think of spending much more than that on a bike. A good bike is worth it, though.

    Oh I don't doubt that for a moment.
  • 12-05-2012
    subiwrx101
    I'm seriously considering a Komodo for my next bike, but I honestly like the look and colors of the 2012 better. Can anyone tell me how the components compare?


    Thanks