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    What frame for rohloff?

    I have a cross check, but is it really the frame for a Rohloff? It doesn't have a dedicated mount for it like the ogre and troll. But the ogre and troll would be a bit slow on the open road.

    And I hate derailleurs. I just realized this with 10 speed. So this is what I'm looking for now.

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    Fitting a Rohloff to a Cross Check can be done but it would be a bit clumsy because you would have to use the Rohloff torque arm. I have a Moonlander with a Rohloff and I'm currently building a Troll with a Rohloff as a touring bike. I'd say, if you can afford it, get a frame that can take a Rohloff without that ugly torque arm. One can never have enough bikes, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I have a cross check, but is it really the frame for a Rohloff? It doesn't have a dedicated mount for it like the ogre and troll. But the ogre and troll would be a bit slow on the open road.

    And I hate derailleurs. I just realized this with 10 speed. So this is what I'm looking for now.
    My suggestion would be to build your dream wheels first. See how you like them in your Cross Check and then determine whether you need the expense of a new bike.
    I'm currently building some 29" wheels with Son28 Disk and Rohloff Disk.
    I'm using Sapim CX-Rays with Velocity Dyad rims. They are wheels I've wanted to build for a long time. I am putting them into a Surly Ogre frame but if I wasnt making my wheels my priority, I'd probably be buying a Co-motion Rohloff Divide.
    If your an on-road rider then pointless putting up with the weight of an off road bike (IMHO only). Saying that I believe the Ogre is a very versatile frame, which is why I bought one. It appears to be the closest I can find for "one bike to rule them all".
    I've only accommodation for one bike so need something that can do everything well enough to satisfy. I believe the Ogre whilst not great at anything, is good enough at everything.

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    How do the ogre handle racks and panniers?

    And my roads aren't exactly roads much of the time. A lot of my riding would probably be on terrain very similar to that of cross country or cyclocross.

    More dirt and caliche and that sort of thing.

    It's bad enough that I'm reconsidering my stance on suspension forks. I could really use one of those and some tires that will go well on road, but will also grip in loose gravel/caliche.

    About the geometry of the ogre. Could I pretty much get into the same position as I am on the cross check if I used a not set back seat post and kept the saddle a bit forward? There's only 1 degree of different in the seat tube angles. I'd be going with flat bars and would want them a few inches below the saddle.

    I wonder if they make suspension forks for touring....
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    I wonder, should it be an ogre or a troll? I would like fatter tires that also present less resistance to acceleration like the 26" ers of the troll would provide, but would the 29er's be better for smoothing over rough lumpy terrain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    would the 29er's be better for smoothing over rough lumpy terrain?
    Yes, that's what the proponents for 29ers say, but you pay for it with a little higher weight which you might not want on a touring bike because you carry enough weight already. Another consideration is that if you travel to far away places then it will be far easier to find a 26" replacement tyre tyre than a 29er.

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    How do the ogre handle racks and panniers?
    Fine, it's a strong frame that can stand up to the demands of loaded touring.

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    I wonder if they make suspension forks for touring....
    Yes, here's an interesting full suspension touring bike:
    Panamericana Xplore

    I prefer my bikes fully rigid because suspension soaks up some of your power when you're climbing and because I don't like the maintenance requirements of full suspension bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    How do the ogre handle racks and panniers?

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    I have to wait till my wheels are finished to get the angles lined up level.

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    Rad setup. I recently decided to pass on an alfine and hold out for a rohloff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intheways View Post
    Rad setup. I recently decided to pass on an alfine and hold out for a rohloff.
    Reading about some of the hassles the Alfine 11 crowd have been having I think you, like me, have made the right choice. I glad I read the IGH forum before making a final purchase decision.

    I went with Tubus racks as they seemed to have the highest spec for carrying weight whilst being amongst the lightest of available racks. I got the stainless ones due to seeing lots of racks rusting where the panniers had scrapped the racks paint. Mostly a cosmetic issue than a serious rust one but aesthetics are important to me.

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    I had a steel 29er frame for rohloff....the main two points here are braze ons for cables and paragon sliders for the OEM drop out. This is what made it a good frame for Rohloff. Going on what you say about your use, I think it is the way you should go, with the addition of mounting points for racks. The frame only weighed 2.1kg and you then have all the choices for forks and tyres that you want. You can run full mtb tyres, or do what I did, and converted it to a drop bar 29er with 40C tyres. There are so many cross tyres, hybrid tyres, mtb tyres etc to choose from. I use a cheap hybrid tyre with side knobs to run both road and dirt.

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    I ended up putting a 26er fork at 460 on it and it worked nicely to make the bike more "road" friendly. No rohloff on it anymore, that went to the new MTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatsinglespeeder View Post
    Yes, that's what the proponents for 29ers say, but you pay for it with a little higher weight which you might not want on a touring bike because you carry enough weight already. Another consideration is that if you travel to far away places then it will be far easier to find a 26" replacement tyre tyre than a 29er.



    Fine, it's a strong frame that can stand up to the demands of loaded touring.



    Yes, here's an interesting full suspension touring bike:
    Panamericana Xplore

    I prefer my bikes fully rigid because suspension soaks up some of your power when you're climbing and because I don't like the maintenance requirements of full suspension bikes.
    No, I mean will the ogre and troll be stable when loaded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    No, I mean will the ogre and troll be stable when loaded?
    Yes, absolutely, that's what I meant to say.

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    I was out on the weekend with about 40kg of gear on the rear rack of the Ogre (Alfine 8).

    Its stability can't be overstated. Feels slower to steer but that's about it. Didn't feel at risk of toppling over even across rough ground and through gates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    How do the ogre handle racks and panniers?
    Just gotta get my chain on and brakes done and I should have an idea

    The Tubus Cosmo and Nova bolted up real easy and straight forward.
    I went with the stainless racks due to having the painted steel versions on a previous bike and disliking the rust where the paint gets scratched.

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    Lovin' the wasp colour scheme. Or bee. Whatever it is, it's coloured that way as a warning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    Just gotta get my chain on and brakes done and I should have an idea

    The Tubus Cosmo and Nova bolted up real easy and straight forward.
    I went with the stainless racks due to having the painted steel versions on a previous bike and disliking the rust where the paint gets scratched.

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    Huh, black is the best color for bikes I think. Silver and black...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    I have to wait till my wheels are finished to get the angles lined up level.

    How did this go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatsinglespeeder View Post
    ...Another consideration is that if you travel to far away places then it will be far easier to find a 26" replacement tyre tyre than a 29er...
    If that's a consideration then you should be riding one of these type of bike. Most common bike type in the 3rd world



    And no worry about load carrying ability.

    They're also capable of handling most trails

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    Who makes those third world bikes anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rifraf View Post
    My suggestion would be to build your dream wheels first. See how you like them in your Cross Check and then determine whether you need the expense of a new bike.
    I'm currently building some 29" wheels with Son28 Disk and Rohloff Disk.
    I'm using Sapim CX-Rays with Velocity Dyad rims. They are wheels I've wanted to build for a long time. I am putting them into a Surly Ogre frame but if I wasnt making my wheels my priority, I'd probably be buying a Co-motion Rohloff Divide.
    If your an on-road rider then pointless putting up with the weight of an off road bike (IMHO only). Saying that I believe the Ogre is a very versatile frame, which is why I bought one. It appears to be the closest I can find for "one bike to rule them all".
    I've only accommodation for one bike so need something that can do everything well enough to satisfy. I believe the Ogre whilst not great at anything, is good enough at everything.

    I think with the trailer I now have, that can haul 300lbs of crap, and the loads I carry on the bike, perhaps the cross checks is too flexy, wobbly and weak. I fear I will bust a stay honestly. The ogre/troll are no where near as flexy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aBicycle View Post
    I think with the trailer I now have, that can haul 300lbs of crap, and the loads I carry on the bike, perhaps the cross checks is too flexy, wobbly and weak. I fear I will bust a stay honestly. The ogre/troll are no where near as flexy?
    I can't comment much on the Cross Check because I don't have one, but it's certainly not a cargo bike and I wouldn't recommend hauling heavy loads with it.

    My Troll isn't flexy at all. I have racks front and rear and I load it up with a week's shopping and it rides perfectly fine. I hardly notice the extra weight.

    Prior to that, I did my shopping with an Extrawheel trailer for a few times but didn't like it at all because it was far too flexy -- the bike and trailer wobbled in opposite directions and it was unsafe to ride -- not nice. To be fair, I may have overloaded the trailer but I can't be sure because I didn't weigh it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatsinglespeeder View Post
    Prior to that, I did my shopping with an Extrawheel trailer for a few times but didn't like it at all because it was far too flexy -- the bike and trailer wobbled in opposite directions and it was unsafe to ride -- not nice. To be fair, I may have overloaded the trailer but I can't be sure because I didn't weigh it.
    That's about the first criticism I've heard of the Extrawheel.

    I haven't mucked around with trailers, but that one seems like a simple and clever idea, and a bit more convenient than the long tray type.

    Interesting.
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    I didn't really notice that much trouble with my trailer even with 300lbs of wood and junk on it.

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    You can use a Monkey Bone + OEM2 axle plate on any bike with disc brake tabs for a clean Rohloff setup.

    I use this on my Krampus and have used it on other bikes including a 1x1.



    My GF's been comutting on a Cross Check with Nexus 8 IGH for a coupe years now. She loves it.



    I've an Alfine 11 IGH in an On One Scandal and then in my Krampus before I installed a Rohloff.

    You can install an IGH into a Surly with horizontal dropouts no problem at all. They don't have to be "Rohloff" specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post

    You can use a Monkey Bone + OEM2 axle plate on any bike with disc brake tabs for a clean Rohloff setup.

    My GF's been comutting on a Cross Check with Nexus 8 IGH for a coupe years now. She loves it.

    You can install an IGH into a Surly with horizontal dropouts no problem at all. They don't have to be "Rohloff" specific.
    You've been quoting me as if I had said something wrong. The Cross Check doesn't have disc brake tabs and thus you can't use a monkey bone, you have to use a torque arm (or a Nexus as you did on your girlfriend's bike).

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