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    Pinion Gearbox Frames

    I am thinking of selling my Salsa El Mariachi Ti with the Rohloff speedhub to start working on my next project; a Pinion-equipped expedition bike.

    Who makes Pinion-compatible frames? I really like the El Mariachi geometry and if it was feasible (and it's not) I'd pay to have the frame modified for a Pinion. (Is this possible?)

    What do you guys think about the Pinion? I also want to use a belt drive.

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    I was initially opposed to Pinion but came along with the idea to own one until .....I discovered you cannot shift them under load. I charge large grades as fast as possible then shift to easier gears as the grade builds. Deal breaker for me. Both eTap and DI2 XT shifts fell under big loads.

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    Carver makes most of their Ti frames available with pinion drives.

    Ventana has a couple options.

    Tout Terrain (through Cycle Monkey) has several models, mostly touring oriented but there is a 27.5+ MTB.

    The Viral Skeptic is Ti and built around the pinion drive (I think this is the former owner of Niner).

    The Zerode Taniwah is pinion and FS but I don't believe belt drive compatible.

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    Pinion has a pretty extensive list of bike brands that are building bikes/frames using their gearbox.
    https://pinion.eu/en/bicycle-manufacturers/
    BTW, I have a Zerode Taniwha and have been riding it for the past year.
    Yes, you can't really shift to an easier gear while under load, but you can make a shift, or multiple gears very quickly and can immediately go back to full power. Given that you shouldn't really be shifting gears with a derailleur while under load, I don't see this as too much of an issue. It does take some saddle time to get use to the differences in shifting, but as you have experience with the Rohloff, I would think it will come pretty easy for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackP42 View Post
    Pinion has a pretty extensive list of bike brands that are building bikes/frames using their gearbox.
    https://pinion.eu/en/bicycle-manufacturers/
    BTW, I have a Zerode Taniwha and have been riding it for the past year.
    Yes, you can't really shift to an easier gear while under load, but you can make a shift, or multiple gears very quickly and can immediately go back to full power. Given that you shouldn't really be shifting gears with a derailleur while under load, I don't see this as too much of an issue. It does take some saddle time to get use to the differences in shifting, but as you have experience with the Rohloff, I would think it will come pretty easy for you.
    It took me about a week to get used to the Rohloff shifting. Since I won't be riding singletrack with this thing being able to shift under load is not a big issue. I had no trouble shifting on the Tour Divide and, in fact, being able to shit to a lower gear while stopped was incredibly useful on some of those long, endless climbs.

    My only objection to the Rohloff (and it was a minor one) was that I sensed more drag than with a derailleur setup. I was not prepared for it because most of my training was in gears 1-7 but I ended up in the lower gears a lot more in the race (that have more drag).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    My only objection to the Rohloff (and it was a minor one) was that I sensed more drag than with a derailleur setup.

    What's The Difference In Speed Between Gearbox Systems? Rohloff, Pinion, Shimano - CyclingAbout
    "There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over" -FZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Who makes Pinion-compatible frames? I really like the El Mariachi geometry and if it was feasible (and it's not) I'd pay to have the frame modified for a Pinion. (Is this possible?)
    In addition to the usual suspects, Moonmen in Fort Collins, CO recently built a Pinion Ti frame that almost had me pull my credit card out as soon as I saw it.

    #M42 — Moonmen

    I don't have any experience with the Pinion yet, but there is a good chance my next bike will have one. I've been riding an Alfine 8 for the last 10 years, and while it still works great (only on the second overhaul), I keep thinking "what's next?"

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    I would love a 130mm pinion bike with a 140mm fork in the less than 30 pound range.

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