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    29er funny story

    So, a funny story. I wont mention the MFR, because it was just a mistake, but funny.

    I went up to a booth, and asked for a new 29er that had just come out. The guy got all my info, etc, and went to set the bike up, and I didnt really pay attention.

    This company makes a 26" wheel and 29" wheel bike that are identical in color and spec as well.

    The guy gave me the bike, and I started up for my ride. As I was going through the singletrack, I couldn't help but think how much the bike sucked. It was just horrible to ride, was really sketchy, I felt way over the front. I just couldn't figure it out, until I stopped to take a picture, and noticed the fork was a SID and not a REBA. DOH! They gave me the 26" wheel model!

    So while the bike was most likely a great bike, it just felt that way because I am used to 29er wheels and they feel so much better.

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    Hah! Mfrs would pay thousands for such an inadvertent double-blind study!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    What about 165mm WFO9? Where is Yeti 575? Ibis Mojo 29er? Pivot 529? Give us something earth shuttering. 29er movements advances at really slow pace I wanna see Totems and Boxxers on FR/DH 29ers as well. More scandium FS for racing. Reveleation 29er from RS.

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    Next we'll having a gorgeous 29er anniversary a decade has passed since its onset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soupboy
    Tim - aren't you like 6' tall? Fitting on MC's bike must have been odd. Bike looks nice. Too bad I have a POS Behemoth....

    It was pretty short, but it was fine. I think MC rides a medium, which he also had one of those. This bike was actually a large, so I was wondering if this one was too big for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Soupboy - SIC EM BOY, GO GET EM! DC - give it up or diaf
    DC is a bot. Initially I thought it was Curiak, then you, then Fo but he is clearly a bot. An utterly foul, despicable bot written by a pimply teen from the former Eastern Bloc that can't get chicks due to his unparalleled BO and poor oral hygiene.

    Picking on DC, to me, has become like kicking a bag of flaming poo on your doorstep. Kick as you will, you still have dookie on your shoe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Chris King himself giving Hans Rey himself a check for the Wheels 4 Life charity.
    Why is does Hans have a needle port in place on his right arm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crockpot2001
    Why is does Hans have a needle port in place on his right arm?
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    Have you gone to Cheetah's yet!

    Thanks for the great reports...

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    Kill me now, please, but i gotta agree with DC that the Mojo and 575 are bikes that would be cool to see in 29er form. Not to mention a Foes.

    But we got plenty others to choose from in the meantime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxer
    WOW! This is just like being there. Well almost.
    Great reports I cant wait to see what is next.

    it is a great report. it just makes me more sad as this is my first time in 5 years im missing interbike.

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    I'm still waiting for the Canfield FS SS 29er.
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    Now Rocky Mountain joins in...

    I find it highly interesting to see the 29er market grow so rapidly. While some (one) of us self-righteously ask for FS models that will not be available soon (and even if they were DC would get all fired up on demanding a FS with even more travel and more rear hub spacing and more spoke count and ...) major companies like Rocky Mountain just release their first 29er Hardtails. I find this remarkable as with more majors joining in 29ers are "officially" no niche anymore.

    But then again it is a pity, as I personally enjoy being part of a niche - it is nice to have a limited selection of frames and parts to choose from made by passionate people who are all first movers and believe in what they do has a real benefit. It gives me confidence to be in a good community.

    With the 29er market growing there are many free-rider / copycat companies like Moots and, for that matter, Rocky Mountain, that try to catch up and pretend that their very models are a tiny little bit different / better than others (which they really are not). I personally hope that 29er will not be carried away in the marketing frenzy of a mass market.

    Fortunately, I (together with my two Niners) live in Germany where 29ers are still as unknow as e.g. root beer (the latter may change with brown seems to become the new black).

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    New Niner EBB and fork from Interbike

    Saw this over on singletrackworld.com (c'mon MTBR. What are we paying for here?):

    http://www.singletrackworld.com/arti...7c9d158123347b

    "Niner EBB - rather clever? - Hereís a clever take on the eccentric bottom bracket design. The cups on the new Niner EBB bolt together. Thatís it. One bolt pulls the cups together into the BB shell - and then, in theory, it doesnít move. No grubscrews or wedges. Interesting..."

    "No pictures! Ninerís carbon fork - Itís still being tested and there are no official weights yet, but Ninerís new 29er fork is light! With forward sloping dropouts and a full carbon construction (with stainless dropout faces) itís going to be popular with the 29er crowd."

    I believe Chris at Niner Bikes was heard saying (re:MTBR members stating the Niner logo was too big on the one we saw the first time from Napa spy shots) "To borrow a phrase from the fixie poser crowd, All you decal haters suck my ballz" *



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    That's how Calfee tandem EBB's work.

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    Sorry, but Moots has been 'here' from the very beginning.
    Just a regular guy.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by 29ERCAT
    ....remember theres (correct grammer... there are) many teens that view the 29er forum
    Exactly! They have to learn about life somewhere. Why not here? Clean is a state of mind. Back to I-Bike coverage. Oh... don't forget that they need to learn to spell correctly as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Sorry, but Moots has been 'here' from the very beginning.
    huh?

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    Doh! was supposed to be replying to megalow maniac above. Claims Moots is a newcomer to 29". I'm just tripping over my big feet is all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    Doh! was supposed to be replying to megalow maniac above. Claims Moots is a newcomer to 29". I'm just tripping over my big feet is all...
    Yup. Kinda funny, I just read pastajet's review of the Moots, and he remarks it is his favorite bike again, over many other nice ones. Amazing how opinions go.....

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    Semi OT (but still 700c)

    Did you notice if Spot had their Black CX bike out there? Any chance to eyeball it?

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    It looks like it allows the fork to rotate forward (counterclockwise if you're looking at the drive side) to keep the trail consistent, which in theory would be a decent idea. I just don't think allowing your long-travel DH fork to pivot on a couple of relatively small connections is a great idea. Hope he has good insurance (medical, dental and liability).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Buxton
    It looks like it allows the fork to rotate forward (counterclockwise if you're looking at the drive side) to keep the trail consistent, which in theory would be a decent idea. I just don't think allowing your long-travel DH fork to pivot on a couple of relatively small connections is a great idea. Hope he has good insurance (medical, dental and liability).

    I think those are spherical bearing rod ends. Check you carts and desert race trucks. They use them, also the 5link rear end on BMW. They should be plenty strong enough for the loads placed on them through that limited range of motion.

    They are seriously strong. I would worry more about breaking the attachment to the aluminum a-arm then the bearing themselves.
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    any news from Vassago?

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    I'm not a Turner Homer, but these post mount inserts look like bees knees in sexy thigh high stockings:
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    "Niner EBB - rather clever? - Hereís a clever take on the eccentric bottom bracket design. The cups on the new Niner EBB bolt together. Thatís it. One bolt pulls the cups together into the BB shell - and then, in theory, it doesnít move. No grubscrews or wedges. Interesting..."
    Curious if existing Niner frames can be retrofitted with it! Would love to get my hands on one if it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~

    Quote Originally Posted by davidcopperfield
    i can haz, no, wantz evrting?

    fixed it for ya DC.
    I laughed.
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    in fact for trail type bikes I am tired of QR roady ****e in general. Lets move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    The cups on the new Niner EBB bolt together. That’s it. One bolt pulls the cups together into the BB shell - and then, in theory, it doesn’t move. No grubscrews or wedges.
    What prevents the EBB from rotating within the shell under pedaling torque?

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    Quote Originally Posted by collideous
    Curious if existing Niner frames can be retrofitted with it! Would love to get my hands on one if it is.

    I would like to hear a answer on this also
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    What prevents the EBB from rotating within the shell under pedaling torque?
    There are flanges that sit outboard of the BB shell. I would imagine that there is enough interface between the shell and the flanges to prevent slippage. More so than the contact points of a pair of set screws anyways...

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    And I agree! Love the inserts. Not all mechanics/riders are gifted enough to know when to stop cranking on a bolt when tightening it down.
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    Did you ride the El Rey??
    I thought you vere going to review that one...
    Did you throw your leg over the new 09 DW Turner Sultan?

    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    These are 29er related pictures I took of bikes that I did not ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by totally_fixxated
    is the builder german, or Mert Lawwill?

    a lot of motorcycle influence there!
    looks more like Jeff Jones nonsense applied to full suspension.

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    Gotta love the rear post mount.

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    Is that a grey fox F29 on the Rocky Mountain?

    I want, but still want the TA more.

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    why didn't you ride the Caribou, Hilltop? That looks like a cool XC Full sus for the Midwestern type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    It climbs VERY well, seated or standing, and pedals like no other FS rig I have ever ridden. Yes, it even surpasses my beloved FSR w/ Brain technology.
    No way. So you could hammer out of the saddle without pedal bob???

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    So, a funny story. I wont mention the MFR, because it was just a mistake, but funny.

    I went up to a booth, and asked for a new 29er that had just come out. The guy got all my info, etc, and went to set the bike up, and I didnt really pay attention.

    This company makes a 26" wheel and 29" wheel bike that are identical in color and spec as well.

    The guy gave me the bike, and I started up for my ride. As I was going through the singletrack, I couldn't help but think how much the bike sucked. It was just horrible to ride, was really sketchy, I felt way over the front. I just couldn't figure it out, until I stopped to take a picture, and noticed the fork was a SID and not a REBA. DOH! They gave me the 26" wheel model!

    So while the bike was most likely a great bike, it just felt that way because I am used to 29er wheels and they feel so much better.
    Haha, for that, you sukk AND you rock! More of the latter, of course :-)

    That is not a Rocky Mountain frame. They gave out spoken and written statement that they will never make a 29" bike, because it's a bad idea, and agains their bike philosophy. I have all the proof, buried in a file with some Specialized statements of similar nature. Bear with me a sec...
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    Very nice....

    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    And here is Fargo.

    Fargo and I went on a longer test ride, to give it exactly what it was designed for. First we descended the road into town, then did a little urban curb hopping, followed by some railroad grade, then a climb back up to the trails, and a bit of singletrack. A nice ride with all the fixins.

    Fargo is stable. Like holy-wow-stand-up-without-hands stable. I could climb on the road at around 4-5 mph and not wobble. I think that will be its huge selling point. I really want one to load with panniers. Other than MTB, I am a loaded touring geek.

    The stock built is very no-nonsense, and works like so. Other than adding another layer of bar tape because I like the double-wrap, I would not change anything. I was really amazed at how fast the Vulpines roll on pavement. Not sure what pressure they were at.
    Love the idea, but will only get excited when I see a cross bike that doesn't require 4 inches of HT spacers and a 40 degree stem to get the bars where we all want'm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    Love the idea, but will only get excited when I see a cross bike that doesn't require 4 inches of HT spacers and a 40 degree stem to get the bars where we all want'm.
    Doing so without the spacers and/or funky stem effectively makes the frame drop bar specific. The Fargo is a really cool idea, but not just because it has drop bars. There are plenty of people that will want such a bike without having to buy into the idea of drop bars as well

    btw, the stock Fargo is only using a 15deg stem. Its also certainly not a "cross" bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah
    Is that a grey fox F29 on the Rocky Mountain?

    I want, but still want the TA more.
    Just a black one with lots of desert dust on it methinks.

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    Well....

    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Doing so without the spacers and/or funky stem effectively makes the frame drop bar specific. The Fargo is a really cool idea, but not just because it has drop bars. There are plenty of people that will want such a bike without having to buy into the idea of drop bars as well

    btw, the stock Fargo is only using a 15deg stem. Its also certainly not a "cross" bike
    I suppose I should have said "cross" bike, or yes, drop bar mtn bike I guess.

    What I believed made a bike drop bar specific more than anything was a shorter effective TT to compensate for the extra reach when in the hoods. Of course I could be way off base with that belief.

    Point was, when was the last time you saw someone riding a drop bar specific frame for off-road applications where they didn't need too many spacers and high-rise stem?

    All that aside, yes, it is still a very cool idea.

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by megalow maniac
    With the 29er market growing there are many free-rider / copycat companies like Moots and, for that matter, Rocky Mountain, that try to catch up and pretend that their very models are a tiny little bit different / better than others (which they really are not). I personally hope that 29er will not be carried away in the marketing frenzy of a mass market.

    Fortunately, I (together with my two Niners) live in Germany where 29ers are still as unknow as e.g. root beer (the latter may change with brown seems to become the new black).

    Keep the big wheels rolling an ride what you have!
    Oh... don't forget Specialized in that group above too.

    I'm actually excited to see Rocky FINALLY get in to the 29'er market as that may help those of us that live in places like Germany where 29'er are still akin to satan be able to have more access to parts.

    Since you mentioned brown (which I still say is a bodily function not a color); I was so hoping it would go back to the colon or the dirt where it belongs. Instead, King brings it out before doing Purple. Geez!

    Meglo... if you have easy access to parts here where you can pretty much walk in and buy them, please let me know. I hate having to wait for sometimes months for parts when I order them. I don't know about you, but I find that ridiculous. I was just in Italy for a race and they love the 29'er thing. It was refreshing to not feel like satans child because I wasn't on an aluminum fully.

    Anyway.... thanks a lot for the coverage. It's cool to see all the new stuff coming out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    OK, funny story. I see this bike with WTB stickers on it, and I thought that they were bringing a new bike to market. So I snap a pic, and talk up the guy, asking if I can ride it. He says yes, and I go for a ride. The whole time I think I am on some new WTB model that Steve Potts has been dreaming up.

    I get back, talk up the guy again, he says it retails for less than $500 for the frame. WOW! I ask for some paperwork and he hands me the OS stuff. DOH! I was actually riding a Blackbuck, just didnt know it, and because the guy works for WTB, it has stickers on it. I felt like an idiot.
    The Blackbuck is Mark Slate's brainchild, thus the WTB stickers (I guess). If you think the frame is a steal, last I checked you could have the complete bike for about $1600 which included a rigid fork. Don't know if he has sold through his initial run. His office is in San Rafael, guess I could go ask him

    Glad you liked the Stout, it has become my favorite tire, it and the Prowler are perhaps the best tire WTB has created since the WeirWolf.

    Nice reviews, keep 'em coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SKullman
    why didn't you ride the Caribou, Hilltop? That looks like a cool XC Full sus for the Midwestern type.
    Because there are only 8 hours of riding in every demo day, and I jammed all I could in the 100+ degree heat. I was baked by day end.

    I also did not get the Turner or the Ventana as they were not available every time I stopped by. In fact, the turner guys looked a little bored at one point because every single bike was gone and they were just sitting there with an empty truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Because there are only 8 hours of riding in every demo day, and I jammed all I could in the 100+ degree heat. I was baked by day end.

    I also did not get the Turner or the Ventana as they were not available every time I stopped by. In fact, the turner guys looked a little bored at one point because every single bike was gone and they were just sitting there with an empty truck.

    That's cool, just seeing if you purposely didn't go after odd balls and just stayed with the main stream bikes.

    Thanks for the photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megalow maniac
    I find it highly interesting to see the 29er market grow so rapidly. While some (one) of us self-righteously ask for FS models that will not be available soon (and even if they were DC would get all fired up on demanding a FS with even more travel and more rear hub spacing and more spoke count and ...) major companies like Rocky Mountain just release their first 29er Hardtails. I find this remarkable as with more majors joining in 29ers are "officially" no niche anymore.

    But then again it is a pity, as I personally enjoy being part of a niche - it is nice to have a limited selection of frames and parts to choose from made by passionate people who are all first movers and believe in what they do has a real benefit. It gives me confidence to be in a good community.

    With the 29er market growing there are many free-rider / copycat companies like Moots and, for that matter, Rocky Mountain, that try to catch up and pretend that their very models are a tiny little bit different / better than others (which they really are not). I personally hope that 29er will not be carried away in the marketing frenzy of a mass market.

    Fortunately, I (together with my two Niners) live in Germany where 29ers are still as unknow as e.g. root beer (the latter may change with brown seems to become the new black).

    Keep the big wheels rolling an ride what you have!
    As Martini pointed out, Moots has been here from the beginning.

    Moots was making 29ers before Niner even entered the bike business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    I immediately went and grabbed a Big Mama, as this bike has also impressed me in the way the JET did, it pedals well, it descends well, and it is just perfect.

    The Big Mama did not disappoint. It climbs VERY well, seated or standing, and pedals like no other FS rig I have ever ridden. Yes, it even surpasses my beloved FSR w/ Brain technology.

    The main impression I had of the Big Mama is that the bike felt light. Even though it was built with heavier wheels (XT hubs, Salsa 30mm rims, Nevegals), it really pedaled like a lighter bike, and climbed that way too. It just felt light.

    Big Mama is a sure thing in the 29er full-suspension arena. It will be one of the best on the market. One comment I heard from another person today, is that as he rode by on a Ventana El Rey, he yelled to the Salsa guys that "your bike won!"
    I can't say I'm surprised to hear any of what you said about the Big Mama, but it's great to hear nonetheless... I rode the early protos with Jason at Murphy and knew the bike had a ton of promise right from the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chequamagon
    Today's winner of the day is:



    FARGO!


    It just did everything so well and without complaint, that it will probably be my next bike purchase. It really is the best bike I rode today.
    Amen brother...

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    This must be posted elsewhere, but I was impressed by the new Hammerscmidt internal drive 2-speed cranks.
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    Brown? BROWN?? Oh, please. This has to be the worst color possible for bikes and bike parts.

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