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    Awesome job. Looked like you had a fine time.

    That D-T is gonna laugh at The Gaffler.
    Since when did Need have anything to do with this?

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    Dude, you bought the Del T demo right there!?! I'd say that's an endorsement if I ever heard one.

    Good stuff all around.....I bet the 29'er crowd's gonna crap their pants over the day 2 reviews. Awesome stuff, KRob.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by titusbro
    Great pics and write-ups KRob! How about a road trip out to Phoenix this winter to 'ride the SoMo chunk' with me on my Ti EG...?
    Thanks. I usually get to Phoenix in the January or February. Let's hook up. I love that junk!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Hey KRob,

    Thanks for your reviews. I've been reading them with much interest, especially the 29" bikes as I'm playing with the idea of getting one. I have bee watching the Turner Sultan. Do you know what the deal is with the bike shown at the indoor exhibition. It looks completely different to the one you have pictured?

    Also, if you get a chance to ride a Salsa Big Mama, I'd like to hear what you have to say.

    Ronnie.
    The one in your picture is a small. They have the bent top tube. The large and XL (and XXL) all have the straight top tube. Not sure about the medium. Aslo the one I rode was one of the first preproduction models... not sure if anything else will change with the production bikes.

    Nope. I didn't ride the Big Mama.... but as you can tell, I really liked the Sultan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikerbob.com
    How in heck did you get to demo (and review) so many bikes? Must have had a VIP pass to get on the shuttle.
    No VIP pass. In fact, I only rode the shuttle three times in the two days (long lines indeed) so I got in lots of climbing. Usually up Mother to West leg or Girls scout to West Leg, a couple times clear up Boy Scout to the shuttle drop off point, and once around innner Caldera. I just didn't stop to shmooze too much. Ride, Refuel, Repeat X 8 hours x two days.... then x 4 more days after that= lots of riding. I can rest when I'm dead.

    I'm wishing I swapped off bikes with you guys when I saw you again with your buddy later that day. I never did get to try the El Rey. Too many bikes. Too little time.

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    awesome day 2 report, KRob!

    and congrats on the new Knolly....keep us posted on the performance of the 55 RC3

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    great day 2 reports. we all know how these demos can be colored by the setup variations, and the extent to which those setup variations (like stem length, tires) happen to work for the tester, but you've provided enough detail in the reviews that it allows us to compensate for that somewhat.



    I believe the size large Sultan has a 24.25 inch ETT, which is close to the 24.5 ETT that generally speaking works well for me w/ a 70 mm stem for XC/AM (I'm just under 6' 3" tall, and tend to prefer a slightly shortish cockpit and a very wide bar).

    Given that you are several inches shorter, any thoughts on how the size L would work for me? I really don't want to jump up to the next ETT size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tscheezy
    Brilliant job, krob. Looks like I don't have to go back. Yer hired.
    Thanks Phil. Hah! You know you can't stay away. Besides I'm just a pathetic impersonation of the original. I'll happily step back into a supporting role next year.

    Congrats on the nups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    It felt a tad nose heavy in the air although it is not hard to pull the wheel up and over ledges (anyone know the weight on that 55RC3?).
    According to Marz's website = 2800g (6.17#). Knowing Marzocchi, that is probably without the steerer tube weight included . Add another .5#.


    Krob, thanks for the write up. Fun to read, even though you liked everything...you're the MBA of Interbike .
    Extreme stationary biker.

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    Thanks K! Great reports.

    Sounds like the Firebird begs for coil suspension or an extra big air volume shock.

    I rarely spend time on air shocks except to demo but the Float-R and RP23 shocks I've owned were, unlike coil, always more plush using less sag. I think due to having more travel with minimal rising resistance though mid travel before the ramp up in the bottom third.

    Thanks again! The check is in the mail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by icegeek
    Awesome job. Looked like you had a fine time.

    That D-T is gonna laugh at The Gaffler.
    Thanks Dave.

    Dude, I would never presume to taunt the Gaffler....... well, unless I had the V-Tach.
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    FINALLY the good stuff!!!


    Thank you SO much for sharing your reviews!!! I was really missing tscheezy's input from years past!!!

    Thanks Again...

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    My hats off to you KRob. It takes a lot of effort to ride all those bikes, take pics and write up your impression of each bike. I think I ran into you while you were climbing up Girl Scout on Day One of Dirt Demo.

    I rode the SC Nomad, SC Blur LT2, Ibis Tranny SS, Giant Reign X1, Pivot Firebird with DHX Air and Saint components, Knolly Delirium T, Turner 5 spot, Intense Tracer, Trek Remedy 9, Scott Genius Twenty, Cannondale Moto2 and as an added bonus Specialized showed up at Bootleg last Sat. after Interbike and I was able to demo the S-Works Epic.

    All the bikes I rode at the Dirt Demo met my expectations except the Scott Genius. Scott markets it as an endurance/marathon trail bike but even with 5.9 inches of travel, it felt too flimsy over the rough stuff. One of my riding buddies also commented that it was the slowest he's been coming down Boy Scout because the bike felt too light and unstable. Sorry Scott fans, the Ransom is an awesome bike but the Genius comes short in my opinion.

    Here's some pics from Dirt Demo.


    Pivot Firebird


    Yeti 7


    Intense Tracer


    Trek Fuel EX 9.9


    SC Blur LT



    SC Nomad


    Cannondale Moto2


    Knolly Delirium T


    Scott Genius Twenty


    Giant Reign X1


    Specialized S-Works Epic


    Pivot Firebird again



    Trek Remedy 9

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    Great read, cheers K.

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    Thanks KRob for taking the time to post such a great review. As I'm researching my way to a new bike purchase I have a couple questions if you get a minute.
    As I'm a bit of a masher and still learning to "spin" more efficiently, peddling efficiency or minimizing pedal bob is a big factor with my next purchase. My trails have a bit of everything; climbs, descents, technical, smaller drops, but overall lean a little more towards XC. How would you describe the efficiency of the Ventana El Bastardo and the R.I.P? Do they compare to the efficiency of a DW link Pivot or Turner offering? What about the Endorphine? Should I add it to my short list?
    Thanks again for a great report!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedsdoc
    My hats off to you KRob. It takes a lot of effort to ride all those bikes, take pics and write up your impression of each bike. I think I ran into you while you were climbing up Girl Scout on Day One of Dirt Demo.

    I rode the SC Nomad, SC Blur LT2, Ibis Tranny SS, Giant Reign X1, Pivot Firebird with DHX Air and Saint components, Knolly Delirium T, Turner 5 spot, Intense Tracer, Trek Remedy 9, Scott Genius Twenty, Cannondale Moto2 and as an added bonus Specialized showed up at Bootleg last Sat. after Interbike and I was able to demo the S-Works Epic.
    It sounds like you got quite a few rides in too pedsdoc. I'd be interested in hearing your impressions of some of our common bikes especially the Firebird with the DHX-Air, the Tracer, the 5.5Spot, and of course, the Delerium T. I wanted to ride the Remedy 9 but I figured the Roscoe was pretty similar and I did't want to stand in that long line at the Trek booth again.

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    KRob tests his new rig:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebxtreme
    Dude, you bought the Del T demo right there!?! I'd say that's an endorsement if I ever heard one.

    Awesome stuff, KRob.

    Cheers,
    EB
    Well, actually I had to chase Noel down at his condo in Vegas that night to get it. I'd talked to him about it when I dropped it off but by time I got back to his booth after my last ride he was packed up and gone.

    I really loved this bike on Burro Down and Gold Bar/Bluedot/Portal in Moab. It's probably overkill for most of the stuff where I live but for the super chunk I crave it is the right tool for the job. Guess I'll need to pic up a Sultan now to fill in the more XC side of my riding.

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    You know mountain bikes should be beautiful, but in my IMO Knolly aren't. Am I the only that don't find these frames attractive?

    Sopwithcamel

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    I am biased, but Yes...you are the only one.

    As with anything, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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    sweet pictures. thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sopwithcamel
    You know mountain bikes should be beautiful, but in my IMO Knolly aren't. Am I the only that don't find these frames attractive?

    Sopwithcamel
    Yeah, I wouldn't say it's my favorite looking bike of the show but I don't think they're ugly. ..... Besides, when I'm on it I can't see it..... I just feel what it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aplomb
    Thanks KRob for taking the time to post such a great review. As I'm researching my way to a new bike purchase I have a couple questions if you get a minute.
    As I'm a bit of a masher and still learning to "spin" more efficiently, peddling efficiency or minimizing pedal bob is a big factor with my next purchase. My trails have a bit of everything; climbs, descents, technical, smaller drops, but overall lean a little more towards XC. How would you describe the efficiency of the Ventana El Bastardo and the R.I.P? Do they compare to the efficiency of a DW link Pivot or Turner offering? What about the Endorphine? Should I add it to my short list?
    Thanks again for a great report!
    Like I said in my review, the El Bastardo just feels right to me. I don't get that I'm-riding-my-Dad's-big-bike feeling with it that I do on some of the 29er's but still get lots of the same advantages of the big wheels. I liked it a bit better than the Rip 9, but you've gotta be willing to accept pretty limited choices in tires and forks too.

    I'd definitely add the Sultan to your list for the type of riding you describe. While the El Bastardo and Rip9 seemed very efficient (I'd give the nod slightly to the Rip9), the Sultan was just a bit better.

    I rode the Endorphin last year and liked it a lot but not any better than the 5Spot or Norco LT which are the two bikes that felt the closest to it.

    The DW-Link on the Turners is very good but I wouldn't say it is earth shatteringly better than other offerings. All the suspension designs are pretty stinking good these days. Oh, and don't rule out the Tracer either. Also one of my favorite bikes of the show. It was a fork and a good coil shock away from being spectacular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob
    Like I said in my review, the El Bastardo just feels right to me.
    What rims/wheels were on the El Bastardo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sopwithcamel
    in my IMO

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