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    UZZI vp preproduction works blue

    Here it is & this is very close to a production bike , just a few machined bits will change & downtube. I have settled on the adjustable travel @ 7" or 7.5" using a 8.75 X 2.75 keeping the leverage ratio in the sweet spot at around 2.5.depending on travel setting.
    We are incorperating the new "G3 drop out" that gives 3 way geometry adjustment to chainstay lenght, BB height & head angle. 1/4" change to CS & BB height & 1/2 degree on HA. In middle setting on G3 CS is 17.25" & BB @ 14" w fox 36 & 14.25" w 180 Totem.
    Recomended 160 to 180 forks, Head angle in middle setting on G3 is 67 with Fox 36 & 66 with 180 totem, you can figure the numbers in the other settings. Again as on the Tracer vp the travel adjust does not affect the geometry. Also 1.5 HT & machined in ISCG 05 and is Hammerschmit compatable, dropper seat post guides.
    So you can see how tweekable this frame is & there is Mega tire room even in the short setting.
    Works Blue will be a stock color!
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    Very very nice!

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    Dropouts will be avail in 135mm or 150mm and 12mm or standard axle inserts.

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    Damm, just when I had swung to the Tracer...

    You show us this!

    A couple quick questions....

    Seatube length and frame weight on a large? With coil.

    Thanks in advance.

    PS. This bike has to have sent DT back to the drawing board to re-think the re-thunk RFX.

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    Just gorgeous. You may have posted this elsewhere but how about some wheelbase numbers? Thanks.

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    Great does anyone know if the paint 2pac paint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylooking
    Just gorgeous. You may have posted this elsewhere but how about some wheelbase numbers? Thanks.
    Medium with 180 WB is @ 45.25 in middle setting on G3, so 45" & 45.5" in short & long setting. Small frame will be 1' less & large @ 1" longer.

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    Oh, I want one...

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    Wow, this is such a gorgeous bike!

    Jeff, do you think this will still work as a trail bike in the lower travel setting and with a 160 fork? The main reason I ask is mostly due to the wheelbase being quite long when compared to say a similarly sized "all-mtn" bikes like the Nomad (e.g., large @46.25 in the middle drop-out setting compared to 45", though I think you did base the WB off a 180 fork). My large downhill bike actually has just about the same wheelbase (46.3), and I find it be a handful in tight, twisty situations. The other reason I ask is that the I noticed the seat tube now has a bend in it--I can't recall but don't think the other protos did--will there be enough insertion to allow for proper climbing post length + room to push saddle down for descending/tougher sections? I used to have a VP-Free and the bend was such that you couldn't have your cake and eat it too:-).

    The bump up in travel to 7" doesn't seem to be a big deal as I imagine a normal human would be hard pressed to tell the difference between 6.75 and 7.
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    Holy sh**! The bike gets nicer and nicer! I don't think it can replace my old Uzzi though....but you always can add it to the stable, right?
    Any numbers on frame weight? Some of the protos used air shocks. Still an option?

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    Very nice, I like the revised travel numbers.

    Is there more room to insert a seat tube than on the Socom? Just noting the bend as Resident Alien did and am wondering...

    That blue is stunning, my Works Blue Socom got more looks and compliments this summer than any other frame I've owned.

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    Wow, beautiful bike. Alas it's a bit more bike than I need for my riding, which is why I just bought a works red Tracer!

    Think I had the pleasure of talking to Jeff "Mr Intense" on the phone when I called to get the flush lower link bolt. As always great service from Intense which is why I just bought my third bike from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Alien
    Wow, this is such a gorgeous bike!

    Jeff, do you think this will still work as a trail bike in the lower travel setting and with a 160 fork? The main reason I ask is mostly due to the wheelbase being quite long when compared to say a similarly sized "all-mtn" bikes like the Nomad (e.g., large @46.25 in the middle drop-out setting compared to 45", though I think you did base the WB off a 180 fork). My large downhill bike actually has just about the same wheelbase (46.3), and I find it be a handful in tight, twisty situations. The other reason I ask is that the I noticed the seat tube now has a bend in it--I can't recall but don't think the other protos did--will there be enough insertion to allow for proper climbing post length + room to push saddle down for descending/tougher sections? I used to have a VP-Free and the bend was such that you couldn't have your cake and eat it too:-).

    The bump up in travel to 7" doesn't seem to be a big deal as I imagine a normal human would be hard pressed to tell the difference between 6.75 and 7.

    The wheelbase will shorten a bit with the 160 fork maybe 1/2" and I have been riding the trails with the drop out set in the short setting & with the air shock.
    In the next week I will be building this one up in more of a trail mode as this is to much bike for me with the 180 and I will post some pics & numbers.
    The one in the photos weighs in @ 35#. This egg nog sure is good gotta go!
    Merry Merry Cheers, JS

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    I ready to place my order NOW!

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    I've clicked back on this thread 4 times today just to stare at these pics.. Friggin beautiful work Jeff. I really like how this has evolved from the early protos.

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    Thanks for the WB numbers Mr Intense. Looking forward to the trail build.

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    fabulous

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    Damn, wheelbase probably puts it a little too long for my purpose. Want a burly trail/park bike Mainly for Alpine trail riding with occasional visits to the park. I still need to be able to pedal it up hill and has to fit on tight singletrack. Hopefully it will be possible still do all this with a totem up front.

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    *remind self to stop visiting this thread*

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    man that rocks!
    great feature with the adjustable dropouts, maybe it would have been cool to make them maxle compatible though. but with the x-12 standard and every 2 weeks some new ideas from the industry, i understand that it's hard to listen to everyone.
    you'll really do yourself a favour with the works blue stock colour, as anyone seems to like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    Dropouts will be avail in 135mm or 150mm and 12mm or standard axle inserts.
    Anyone know if the axle inserts will work with a 10mm DT RWS?

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    are there any news on the frameweight yet?
    would it make sense to build it up as a more burly allmountain/lightweight freerider?
    this bike is just a dream!!
    i think i need to replace my Nomad!
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    This is going to be the perfect bike for me!

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    Make one in XL and I will have no choice but to replace my current Uzzi with this new iteration.

    What a nice holiday spirit-raiser. New toys for big boys and girls.
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    Nice work Jeff. I've been checking back regularly for updates and this pre-production version looks spot on.
    I hope to see an XL available and this will be my next bike.
    Merry Xmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err
    Very nice, I like the revised travel numbers.

    Is there more room to insert a seat tube than on the Socom? Just noting the bend as Resident Alien did and am wondering...

    That blue is stunning, my Works Blue Socom got more looks and compliments this summer than any other frame I've owned.
    The slight bend in the seat tube is much lowwer than on the Socom & will allow the post to drop down. I had to do this to acheive the tire clearance & Travel in all the chainstay settings, mainly the short 17" with 7.5" travel.It is much harder to design around the adjustability but I have got it dialed now!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOJ
    You show us this!

    A couple quick questions....

    Seatube length and frame weight on a large? With coil.

    Thanks in advance.

    PS. This bike has to have sent DT back to the drawing board to re-think the re-thunk RFX.
    I have yet to make the large but my design spec has it at 19" c/t & the medium is @17.5" c/t , From riding @ feedback on the different protos the seat tube needs to be long enough to get the post up for trail riding & climbing so the numbers end up being close to the Tracer vp.
    I don't think Dave is very influenced by what anyone else is doing and that is part of what makes a Turner what it is and a great product with strong following.My guess is that the RFX would end up between the Tracer and the Uzzi as I struggled with leaving this gap but feel the adjustability of the Tracer and Uzzi carries over into this middle ground with less models for us to prduce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rug wheelie
    Anyone know if the axle inserts will work with a 10mm DT RWS?
    Yes you use the standard insert and this is a slick setup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    Holy sh**! The bike gets nicer and nicer! I don't think it can replace my old Uzzi though....but you always can add it to the stable, right?
    Any numbers on frame weight? Some of the protos used air shocks. Still an option?
    So far weight has been in the 7.75 to 8.5 lb range depending on air or coil shock.
    We have been testing with the RS Monarch & Fox DHX 5 air shocks as well as the coil, and an air shock will most likely be an option.

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    I just have to comment on how cool I think it is that Jeff replies to threads on Christmas!!!

    Back on topic: the only thing this bike needs is a 7" Fox 36. Too bad Fox is not listening to their customers like Intense does.

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    Replaceble DO, 8.75 x 2.75 shock size, adjustable travel lighter e "lower" frame, redefined geometry....and works blu available!! What else could be asked for?? Ready to buy the "first" S size relased!!

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    Change my VPX for VP or no ? That is the question

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    So far weight has been in the 7.75 to 8.5 lb range depending on air or coil shock.
    We have been testing with the RS Monarch & Fox DHX 5 air shocks as well as the coil, and an air shock will most likely be an option.
    GO for the Rock Shox Vivid in place of the DHX coil seriously- that shock adds a whole new feel to any bike it's on. I guarantee you customers will be very pleasantly surprised after they tune the shock and throw a leg over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    Here it is & this is very close to a production bike , just a few machined bits will change & downtube. I have settled on the adjustable travel @ 7" or 7.5" using a 8.75 X 2.75 keeping the leverage ratio in the sweet spot at around 2.5.depending on travel setting.
    We are incorperating the new "G3 drop out" that gives 3 way geometry adjustment to chainstay lenght, BB height & head angle. 1/4" change to CS & BB height & 1/2 degree on HA. In middle setting on G3 CS is 17.25" & BB @ 14" w fox 36 & 14.25" w 180 Totem.
    Recomended 160 to 180 forks, Head angle in middle setting on G3 is 67 with Fox 36 & 66 with 180 totem, you can figure the numbers in the other settings. Again as on the Tracer vp the travel adjust does not affect the geometry. Also 1.5 HT & machined in ISCG 05 and is Hammerschmit compatable, dropper seat post guides.
    So you can see how tweekable this frame is & there is Mega tire room even in the short setting.
    Works Blue will be a stock color!
    So if my numbers are right, with a 203mm fork, we are looking at, in the middle setting for rear dropouts, a 14.5" bb, and a 65 degree head angle, adjustable either way by 1/4" to bb and 1/2 degree ha. I like this for a weekend warrior dh bike park bike, but who wants to yank the fork off during the week and do trail riding. Very nice option. Put us down for a couple of these bad boys Jeff... Nice work.

    I agree with Eric on the Vivid, the DHX has been worthless on VPP bikes for years, IMHO.

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    hmmm, sounds like it's the vivid's time now.... the double barrel is not so popular anymore?

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    ok, one of these babies will be mine, for sure!

    so 2 questions to ask:

    1. when will the Uzzi be available in Europe (especially in works blue!!!)?
    2. will there be an Manitou Evolver isx-6 shock option (works so much better then the DHX)

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    I couldn't have been happier with my SS........ Until this came along. Dammit!

    Pretty much everything my SS is, but with added DH capabilities and trail goodness!!

    Man oh man, i have to bag me one in the near future methinks, anyone wanna buy an '08 SS frame in pearl white????
    Its All Downhill From Here....!

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    There's the deal breaker. The WT, the WB and its way to slack for my taste. The fork thing esquire said is spot on. I want a bike that can do it all plus--I WANT TO RIDE IT IN THE WOODS.- CLIMBS- big ones like we have here in N.E. Plus with the new UZZI I was going to have to go with the Marzocchi 2009 66 ATA RC3-The only adj 180mm air fork out there now. Not that crazy about Marzocchi stuff rather have a Fox or Rock Shox stuff.The Totem Solo air is fixed at 180mm and the Talas 36 RC2 1.5 only goes to 160mm same with the Rock Shox Lyrik U-Turn/solo air 2-Step. So all said in done I will be getting a 2009 S/C Nomad with a nice white 2009 Lyrik U-Turn/solo Air 2-Step 1.5 160mm on it.

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    Well, for stock...

    Quote Originally Posted by peachy-B
    hmmm, sounds like it's the vivid's time now.... the double barrel is not so popular anymore?
    I was speaking for stock rear shocks, as I imagine Eric was as well. The DB is still, IMHO, the best shock out there, but it has to remain as a serious upgrade as it is very expensive.

    As for the Nomad v. this Uzzi comment Johnny, I.... I, um.... I'm just so speechless, I'm not sure what to say...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    I've clicked back on this thread 4 times today just to stare at these pics.. Friggin beautiful work Jeff. I really like how this has evolved from the early protos.
    I have that same problem! Ummm...bike porn! Giggity, giggity, giggity

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    Mr. Intense, if your making it compatable with the Hammerschmidt, are you going to include the cable guides along the down tube? Is the new Uzzi going to be available by summer? Glad to see the new updated designs. I've always liked the way the Intense bikes ride but didn't like the bad bearings. Now with the updated greasable bearings and VPP, I'm glad that I'll be riding on a bunch of Intenses for '09. I've just ordered a spider and maybe a Uzzi, but what I'm really anxious to see is a revamped spider 29er when you get a chance. Thanks for the goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    As for the Nomad v. this Uzzi comment Johnny, I.... I, um.... I'm just so speechless, I'm not sure what to say...
    Um, yeah. Totally different bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_ED
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    so 2 questions to ask:

    1. when will the Uzzi be available in Europe (especially in works blue!!!)?
    2. will there be an Manitou Evolver isx-6 shock option (works so much better then the DHX)
    These are exactly the same questions I have and I add another one:

    3. What about the red anodized frame parts from one of the silvergrey protos? Will there be an option for those colored parts?

    I really like the protos so far. Looking so good...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    The slight bend in the seat tube is much lowwer than on the Socom & will allow the post to drop down. I had to do this to acheive the tire clearance & Travel in all the chainstay settings, mainly the short 17" with 7.5" travel.It is much harder to design around the adjustability but I have got it dialed now!!
    Mr. Intense, this bend is giving me some serious headaches. Here in Europe we have some steep (hiking) trails where it is absolutely necessary to drop the saddle all the way down. Therefore I love my VPX (not the only reason though...).

    But will there be really enough space to drop a long seatpost (I use a 400mm on my VPX)??

    Everything else on the bike looks great - especially the adjustable dropouts! Thumbs up!! Great work at Intense!

    cheers,
    thomas

    ps. I already told Markus I have to have a new Uzzi in black chrome with red anodized links as soon as they are available in Austria

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR_ED
    ok, one of these babies will be mine, for sure!

    so 2 questions to ask:

    1. when will the Uzzi be available in Europe (especially in works blue!!!)?
    2. will there be an Manitou Evolver isx-6 shock option (works so much better then the DHX)
    Production is set for Feb 2009. I am suprised to hear the desire for Manitou as we had offered & were big fans of them in the past years but made the switch to Fox from consumer & dealer demand, we were stuck with lots of those shocks that nobody wanted last year.
    Works Blue will be a stock color & please remember the numbers could change a bit in the next two months.

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    nice to hear that! i ordered my M3 and my 6.6 both with Fox shox because there was no other option. unfortunately the performance of both shox was quite poor and so i decided to change to a Revox and an Evolver last year. the performance and adjustability was so much better that Fox! so personally i will not got for Fox rear shox in the near future (but Fox Forks on the others side works great!!)....

    in short words, the Evolver shock option would be a great deal!

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    Agreed...

    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    Production is set for Feb 2009. I am suprised to hear the desire for Manitou as we had offered & were big fans of them in the past years but made the switch to Fox from consumer & dealer demand, we were stuck with lots of those shocks that nobody wanted last year.
    Works Blue will be a stock color & please remember the numbers could change a bit in the next two months.
    I agree Jeff, we swapped almost every rear manitou shock that came on our demo and stock bikes, by the time they were sold. Rocco, Fox and Cane Creek were the primary substitutes. We only had one request for an upgraded Evolver with Ti spring.

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    Think you been hitting the egg nog a little to hard there LOL. I was not saying the Nomad is better or Nomad vs Uzzi. People have different wants and taste out of their bikes. And yes they are different bikes.I was planning on getting one was waiting for the final specs.But for what I am looking for this is not it. You made the remark about it being more of a weekend warrior bike for DH or Park riding.Will it be great for someone else yes but not for me. So that being said I choose to get a bike that I can use every day and not have to take the fork off or run a fork that I am not crazy about. A couple of days ago I went and checked out a 2009 nomad at a bike shop. Liked it but like my Tracer Vpp I can ride it all the time. Plus I can build it up alittle different from my Tracer Vpp.I am not going to buy a bike if the only time I ride it is going up North or the Bike Park in NJ.This will be my third MTB- 2008 Spec Enduro SL Expert, 2009 Intense Tracer Vpp, 2009 Santa Cruz Nomad. I like all three. Plus they are great all around bikes. Sorry I don't own a bike shop. So the bikes I have I need to get the most out of them. You on the other hand can ride what ever you want demo the bike like say the new Uzzi then turn around in sell it.If I lived very close to a bike park or a ski mountain. I would get a bike like the Uzzi or a heavy duty DH bike but I don't so. It would be IN MY OPINION A WASTE OF MONEY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    So far weight has been in the 7.75 to 8.5 lb range depending on air or coil shock.
    We have been testing with the RS Monarch & Fox DHX 5 air shocks as well as the coil, and an air shock will most likely be an option.
    Feedback on the latest version of the DHX Air? Does it still blow thru its midstroke?

    Do they make the Monarch in a 8.75 X 2.75? Aside from some early QC hickups the feedback on this shock is promising. Be sure to let us know the results.

    The weights you quote are pretty impressive. 1/2 a pound heavier than the 6.6 and a pound lighter than the old Uzzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyG 1970
    Think you been hitting the egg nog a little to hard there LOL. I was not saying the Nomad is better or Nomad vs Uzzi. People have different wants and taste out of their bikes. And yes they are different bikes.I was planning on getting one was waiting for the final specs.But for what I am looking for this is not it. You made the remark about it being more of a weekend warrior bike for DH or Park riding.Will it be great for someone else yes but not for me. So that being said I chose to get a bike that I can use every day and not have to take the fork off or run a fork that I am not crazy about. A couple of days ago I went and checked out a 2009 nomad at a bike shop. Liked it but like my Tracer Vpp I can ride it all the time. Plus I can build it up alittle different from my Tracer Vpp.I am not going to buy a bike if the only time I ride it is going up North or the Bike Park in NJ.This will be my third MTB- 2008 Spec Enduro SL Expert, 2009 Intense Tracer Vpp, 2009 Santa Cruz Nomad. I like all three. Plus they are great all around bikes. Sorry I don't own a bike shop so The bikes I have I need to get the most out of them. You on the other hand can ride what ever you want demo the bike like say the new Uzzi then turn around in sell it.If I lived very close to a bike park or a ski mountain I would get a bike like the Uzzi or a heavy duty DH bike but I don't so it would be IN MY OPINION A WASTE OF MONEY.
    Enduro SL, Tracer VP, and Nomad? No offense Johnny, but it seems a bit redundant to have so many bikes so close together in nature. Some might think that's a waste of money, too. =P

    Also, I think folks were just reacting to you calling certain aspects of the Uzzi "deal killers" when that style of a bike was never something that interested you in the first place. Can't kill a deal that was never a deal to begin with.

    But no worries. You have some rad bikes. Ride the crap out of them and get your money's worth!
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    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylooking
    Enduro SL, Tracer VP, and Nomad? No offense Johnny, but it seems a bit redundant to have so bikes so close together in nature. Some might think that's a waste of money, too. =P

    Also, I think folks were just reacting to you calling certain aspects of the Uzzi "deal killers" when that style of a bike was never something that interested you in the first place. Can't kill a deal that was never a deal to begin with.

    But no worries. You have some rad bikes. Ride the crap out of them and get your money's worth!
    Its not redundant if you ride them every day.I feel getting a bike-New Uzzi that I can't ride every day is a waste for me.But when I was thinking about getting a new Uzzi.I thought it would be just alittle more travel, WB and HT I thought would be close to the Tracer Vpp AKA something that I could ride every day but I was wrong.So I am going to go with something else. The deal breaker remark was for me and my wants.I thought the new Uzzi could be a good all around bike-woods riding to. But after seeing the specs I was wrong. Note the specs change allot from the beginning to now.
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    I've been checking out all the proto uzzi threads with great interest. Since I saw the first prototype I was completely blown away by the bike and wanted one. That said, I agree with Johnny's sentiment.

    Right now, I have a hardtail and a DH bike (sold the old trail bike) and want something to fill the gap. I prefer more technical trails and really wanted a scaled down, climb-friendly version of my DH bike. Looking around, the Nomad and Uzzi were/are at the top of my list since they're a great balance of light, tough, slack, and nimble. The first two uzzi protos really hit the mark in my opinion. The latest version does not. Again, this is just the opinion of a random bike rider and I know I have no business telling Jeff how to design a bike, but here's my opinion for what little its worth:

    - I think the kinked seat tube is bad compromise in the name of versatility and actually reduces real-world versatility in order to support the extremes of the frame's adjustments. I think more people will need and appreciate the seatpost room than the ability to run super short stays + long travel. Perhaps two dropout settings would be enough?

    - I think the middle/default dropout setting + 6" fork should have yielded a 45 to 45.5 WB (14" BB + 67 HA are spot-on)

    - I think the travel is too much in **both** settings. The original 6.75 and 7.25 settings were much better in my opinion. The former is already at the extreme of trail-bike/all-mtn and the latter is more than enough to ride anything save for full-on DH. As a point of reference, most of my friends who live in the Vancouver area do their "trail" riding with 6" bikes.

    In summary, this latest proto doesn't really seem like an all mtn/aggressive trail bike to me--especially considering the travel and WB settings; it's more slanted towards mini-dh/freeride. Basically, in my mind I think the inevitable compromise that needed to be made should have leaned more towards aggressive trail and less toward freeride since the former is the riding that more people do more often (i.e., bigger market segment). ..and this is what I selfishly wanted:-)
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    That is how I felt. Liked the bike at first; Thought nice all-mountain bike. Was looking forward to getting one. Something told me to hold off giving RBIKES.COM a deposit for the new Uzzi. I thought wait until the final specs are in. Yes they did change a lot... From an All mountain to more of a Mini DH/FR.HENCE, THAT IS WHY I DID NOT GO WITH THE NEW UZZI. So to say that the new UZZI was not what I was looking for is BULL****. The bike changed, therefore, it turned into being something I didn't want. Some of you guys need to put the Intense pom-poms down a little; too much ass kissing on here some times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyG 1970
    That is how I felt. Liked the bike at first; Thought nice all-mountain bike. Was looking forward to getting one. Something told me to hold off giving RBIKES.COM a deposit for the new Uzzi. I thought wait until the final specs are in. Yes they did change a lot... From an All mountain to more of a Mini DH/FR.HENCE, THAT IS WHY I DID NOT GO WITH THE NEW UZZI. So to say that the new UZZI was not what I was looking for is BULL****. The bike changed, therefore, it turned into being something I didn't want. Some of you guys need to put the Intense pom-poms down a little; too much ass kissing on here some times.
    Can you imagine that for some people it was the other way around? They didn't like the initial numbers and are now happy that they changed? But wait, you don't care because it is all about you.
    And FWIW: the old Uzzi was never an AM bike. Because it is such a good pedaling bike many people, including me, use it this way though. It is still one of the few bikes that can be raced DH, hucked of some big stuff and ridden on trails. The new Uzzi has some big shoes to fill.

    @ Resident Alien: so what is so bad about the Tracer build burly? An extrenal headset and Fox 36 should get you the numbers you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    Can you imagine that for some people it was the other way around? They didn't like the initial numbers and are now happy that they changed? But wait, you don't care because it is all about you.
    And FWIW: the old Uzzi was never an AM bike. Because it is such a good pedaling bike many people, including me, use it this way though. It is still one of the few bikes that can be raced DH, hucked of some big stuff and ridden on trails. The new Uzzi has some big shoes to fill.

    @ Resident Alien: so what is so bad about the Tracer build burly? An extrenal headset and Fox 36 should get you the numbers you are looking for.
    You're right, when I am getting a new bike, it is all about me. I am the one who is going to be riding it so that would make sense, wouldn't it? Do you buy your bikes for your riding needs, or, other peoples?

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    I have to say I am amazed @ how well this thing climbs and handles the tight stuff. For me the current set up would be overkill for the trails I usually to test riding on (San Juan Trail) but I needed to get some rides on it before switching to a lighter build w/ Fox 36, the most fun I have had in awhile.
    Also the numbers on this one are really close to the previous protos I just didn't list the list WB on those yet as it depends so much on the fork.
    We let some guys ride the protos on our San Juan Demo Day maybe they could post their thoughts, one guy owned a Nomad & the bike he rode was set up w/ Fox 36 & a coil.
    The bend in the seat tube will be low enough not to hamper post drop.

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    It's not supposed to be another 6" Trail Bike

    If you look at what they are trying to do with their entire line, it's to reduce the overall number, and eliminate overlap as much as possible. The new Uzzi is also pushing into a new area, which gives them the leg up to drive sales to people who are looking beyond the current crop of 6" bikes. What you guys are describing/want, can be easily filled by a bulked up Tracer, or a Nomad, or a RFX, and on and on. Try to think of the new Uzzi as a tool for really good trail riders, that are ready to push beyond a 6" bike. I decided on going with a bulked up Tracer, but if I had more ability and was a little younger(ie. healed faster), I'd be all over the Uzzi. It's going to be awesome in the hands of the right rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    I have to say I am amazed @ how well this thing climbs and handles the tight stuff. For me the current set up would be overkill for the trails I usually to test riding on (San Juan Trail) but I needed to get some rides on it before switching to a lighter build w/ Fox 36, the most fun I have had in awhile.
    Also the numbers on this one are really close to the previous protos I just didn't list the list WB on those yet as it depends so much on the fork.
    We let some guys ride the protos on our San Juan Demo Day maybe they could post their thoughts, one guy owned a Nomad & the bike he rode was set up w/ Fox 36 & a coil.
    The bend in the seat tube will be low enough not to hamper post drop.
    The travel being 7inch/7.5inch. Going with a fork that is 160mmm-6+inch Fox 36? The front of the bike having less travel than the rear? I thought it was suppose to be the other way around. Front more well a little more than the rear or close to same front and rear travel. I feel its just over kill the WT,Travel,WB. The two forks I like Fox 36 Talas and the Rock Shox Lyrik I can't run either one on the Uzzi. A bike with 7-7.5 of travel in the rear shouldn't it have a 180mm fork on it? So its balanced out.I would love to demo one but I am kinda of far from you guys-East Coast. Plus a bike with a long WB is like driving a bus in the woods it is very tight around where I ride.

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    Mr Intense,
    FWIW, I like the wheelbase numbers for SoCal riding. And the bike looks rad for its intended purpose. Wish I could have made it to the demo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NOJ
    If you look at what they are trying to do with their entire line, it's to reduce the overall number, and eliminate overlap as much as possible. The new Uzzi is also pushing into a new area, which gives them the leg up to drive sales to people who are looking beyond the current crop of 6" bikes. What you guys are describing/want, can be easily filled by a bulked up Tracer, or a Nomad, or a RFX, and on and on. Try to think of the new Uzzi as a tool for really good trail riders, that are ready to push beyond a 6" bike. I decided on going with a bulked up Tracer, but if I had more ability and was a little younger(ie. healed faster), I'd be all over the Uzzi. It's going to be awesome in the hands of the right rider.
    Read the threads. All the guys interested in the new Uzzi are not woods/ trail guys they are DH,FR, Parks guys. The woods guys are saying its to much DH,FR bike. Maybe things are different in Cali but here is the East hard core guys AKA guys that I know that ride stuff you wouldn't even walk on let alone ride on. DO NOT RIDE 7INCH PLUS BIKES. Down a mountain in a park doing jumps huge drop offs but not in the woods.Sorry not here and not with the guys I ride with.The ability factor- Hard Tails,single speeds,short travel bikes,29er, some 6 inch Travel not much. These are what very fast guys are riding around here.I know, it's a workout riding with them but its worth it.- I love my Tracer Vpp where I shine is on the rough down hills and rock gardens and drop offs. The old school guys look at the long travel bikes as cheating AKA you don't have to pick a line you can just go over it. Sorry the new Uzzi does not= good trail bike for great trail riders. I don't even think Mr.Intense would even try to push that one.

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    These aren't the bikes you're looking for...


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    I guess it would depend on what 'gap' the rider is looking to fill by getting this bike. 7"+ does not make a good trail bike, well unless your King Kong and ride Mt. 7 as an 'all mountain trail'. I've placed my order today (works blue) and that bike is going to fill the gap between a pair of Knolly's, a V-tach and D-T. The D-T in it's 160mm setting front and rear is fine for an all mountain bike. Mated with a longer shock-7" in the back and a Totem, it's not my first pick for riding rougher than what's typically done with the 5.5 and 6" bikes I own. So the current Uzzi will be a lift bike only. I also think the first set of numbers and geo would suit most riders well as the latter set does approach FR/DH territory, mind you... that's what I'm after. Great to see that the Co. is trying to narrow the bikes in the line up to suit all riding styles by offering a set of frames that can be 'adjustable' for where we ride. If all we did was Porc Rim, then the range of Intenses would be even narrower, not the case when these bikes go all over the globe. Besides the geo...gotta see some 'better' grease zerks.

    Hey, just thought of this while swapping a rear shock between my D-T and v-tach, get rid of the M5 bolts that hold the shock in place and get some man sized M6's. Just my 2cents as I've bent and broke many M5's in my day but none of the M6's that Knolly uses. Not to bash any mfgr, but I would not go anywhere without a taking a few extra bolts in my fanny pack when riding some other 'brands'. Maybe some of you are lucky, I seem to be hard on things like this.
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    My point...

    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylooking
    These aren't the bikes you're looking for...

    Ok, here are my thoughts, take them or leave them Johnny...

    You are not going to have a "do it all bike" with the requirements you have, period! A bike cannot be an 6-8" + 6-8", 30 lb, 14" bb, air shock and fork, 66-68 degree head angle, I have everything for you, bike. I just don't see it possible. Right now, you have what I consider the top of the line, all mountain, very versatile, frame in your arsenal, the tracer VP. 5.5" - 6", 69 - 67 degree head angle, 30 lb monster that can run all day or take 4-6' drops as they come up in the trail. That bike will be able to do anything that you can handle, and probably then some. You were interested in something with a bit "more". Now you say that "more" is the Nomad, I'm sorry, but it just isn't so. The nomad, at 67 degrees, 6" of travel with a 160mm fork, is simply dead smack inside what the tracer is designed for. The new Uzzi VP is "more". More in travel, more in slacker head angle, more in durability and more in weight.

    There is an old, and very wise saying in the bike industry, "cheap, durable, light, you can pick only 2....." It holds true today as the day it was uttered. I would add to that though, you can't have a bike with infinite travel, limited weight, and infinite adjustability. The new Uzzi with an adjustable fork from 160-180mm of travel will give you between 67 and 69 degrees of head angle, will be more durable than the Nomad, and will have more rear travel. It will also be heavier.

    In short, you just can't have it all. You are actually contemplating a Nomad, a 6" rear travel, 6" front travel, 67 degree head angle, 32 lb average, bike. What am I missing if this is going to be any different than your tracer? I'm not saying the Nomad is a bad bike, quite the opposite, it is a great bike, but it is simply the Santa Cruz version of the new Tracer. If you want one, go right ahead, but as we said before, you will have 2 bikes that will be virtually the same thing.

    The Uzzi will give you more, will have more AM/FR/DH options, and will most certainly be able to handle more than the Nomad.

    I'm going back to my ... well, not egg nog because I hate that $hit, I'm going back to the shop, I have a Tracer and a Nomad to work on...

    I guess people looking at the M6 and saying its not a great all mountain bike are in agreement with you. I'd say the same thing about the spider not being able to handle my local lift park. The difference being I'm not $hitting on the spider for not being able to handle an 8' drop... I know what certain bikes are made for, and I ride them accordingly. Maybe we should just skip the middle man here, and you can tell whomever you are discussing bikes with to come here and justify why he'd want the Uzzi to be an XC rig...no offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    @ Resident Alien: so what is so bad about the Tracer build burly? An extrenal headset and Fox 36 should get you the numbers you are looking for.
    Yeah, the Tracer would work but my impression, based mostly on weight, has been that this might be better suited to less aggressive riding; basically the Blur LT of the Intense line. I want something a bit stronger and stiffer because I'm kind of heavy as well so I thought the Uzzi would be a better fit. I have no doubt that the Uzzi will be an amazing bike in function and form. I still have an open mind about it, and hope that it will work for what I want to use it for.

    And how cool is it that Jeff is posting pics of protos and answering people's questions! Really neat of him of do this. I can't think of anyone else out there opening up the design process like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resident Alien
    Yeah, the Tracer would work but my impression, based mostly on weight, has been that this might be better suited to less aggressive riding; basically the Blur LT of the Intense line. I want something a bit stronger and stiffer because I'm kind of heavy as well so I thought the Uzzi would be a better fit. I have no doubt that the Uzzi will be an amazing bike in function and form. I still have an open mind about it, and hope that it will work for what I want to use it for.

    And how cool is it that Jeff is posting pics of protos and answering people's questions! Really neat of him of do this. I can't think of anyone else out there opening up the design process like this.
    Thats what I do design & build bikes and you guys have a lot of good beta to offer why not use it to build a better product for all of us to enjoy, showing a solid works model is just not my style.

    As far as the abilities of the Tracer I feel it is more capable than the 6.6 as it has a stiffer more slolid feel to it and the leverage ratio is way better plus the new VPP and the Uzzi in the 7" with the 17" cs set up w/ fOX 36 Ha is 67.5 and is very trail capable.
    One thing to note is that the RS Monarch air is a 8.75 X 2.5 so the travel with it is around 6.5 so that might be just what some of you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    .. you can tell whomever you are discussing bikes with to come here and justify why he'd want the Uzzi to be an XC rig...no offense.
    +1 for esq.

    Everyone seems to have a different opinion of a trailbike. I ride a VPX with a Totem as my trail bike and it's handled many days of brutal high altitude climbing. On the flip side it's survived casing 30' gaps, a busy season of resort riding and shuttle days descending nearly vertical rock faces and scree slops. IMO the Uzzi has always been defined by it's versatility in being able to pedal similar to an AM rig, but still remain comfortable on true DH terrain. Reducing the travel or making the HA any steeper would kill that.

    I really have a hard time comprehending why someone would spend money for a both a Tracer VP and Nomad. Seems entirely redundant.

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    I would like to chime in and say that I really like how the new product line is shaping up. IMHO the tracer fits the enduro segment of the market really well. The tracer is a pretty key bike in the line and I think it makes sense to position other models relative to it. It means that they don't have a bike that exactly matches specs to a Nomad, RFX or El Guapo. This seems to bother people but I think it makes sense. To offer bikes that are that close together sells short the versatility of the tracer and possibly the efficiency of the Uzzi. (No, I don't work for Intense.)

    I recently upgraded from an SLX to a Tracer. I have been wanting to make the switch for a couple of years now but nothing was perfect. I consider myself a trail/AM rider. My new ride had to pedal more efficiently and hopefully would have about the same amount of travel. It also needed to be lower and slacker. A lot of what I ride in the summer is pretty buff but we also have Blackrock and Post Canyon. The bike had to be versatile but I didn't want to drag around a huge bike. The tracer is perfect.

    Now that I have a tracer I would want an additional bike to be a full on FR bike for Whistler and the local FR areas. Again the latest spec on the Uzzi seems just about right. It will be a while before I can crack that nut so there probably will be replacements for the VP Free and Highline to consider.

    So Jeff, keep up the good work. I personally like where you are going and appreciate that you take the time to engage to your customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    Ok, here are my thoughts, take them or leave them Johnny...

    You are not going to have a "do it all bike" with the requirements you have, period! A bike cannot be an 6-8" + 6-8", 30 lb, 14" bb, air shock and fork, 66-68 degree head angle, I have everything for you, bike. I just don't see it possible. Right now, you have what I consider the top of the line, all mountain, very versatile, frame in your arsenal, the tracer VP. 5.5" - 6", 69 - 67 degree head angle, 30 lb monster that can run all day or take 4-6' drops as they come up in the trail. That bike will be able to do anything that you can handle, and probably then some. You were interested in something with a bit "more". Now you say that "more" is the Nomad, I'm sorry, but it just isn't so. The nomad, at 67 degrees, 6" of travel with a 160mm fork, is simply dead smack inside what the tracer is designed for. The new Uzzi VP is "more". More in travel, more in slacker head angle, more in durability and more in weight.

    There is an old, and very wise saying in the bike industry, "cheap, durable, light, you can pick only 2....." It holds true today as the day it was uttered. I would add to that though, you can't have a bike with infinite travel, limited weight, and infinite adjustability. The new Uzzi with an adjustable fork from 160-180mm of travel will give you between 67 and 69 degrees of head angle, will be more durable than the Nomad, and will have more rear travel. It will also be heavier.

    In short, you just can't have it all. You are actually contemplating a Nomad, a 6" rear travel, 6" front travel, 67 degree head angle, 32 lb average, bike. What am I missing if this is going to be any different than your tracer? I'm not saying the Nomad is a bad bike, quite the opposite, it is a great bike, but it is simply the Santa Cruz version of the new Tracer. If you want one, go right ahead, but as we said before, you will have 2 bikes that will be virtually the same thing.

    The Uzzi will give you more, will have more AM/FR/DH options, and will most certainly be able to handle more than the Nomad.

    I'm going back to my ... well, not egg nog because I hate that $hit, I'm going back to the shop, I have a Tracer and a Nomad to work on...

    I guess people looking at the M6 and saying its not a great all mountain bike are in agreement with you. I'd say the same thing about the spider not being able to handle my local lift park. The difference being I'm not $hitting on the spider for not being able to handle an 8' drop... I know what certain bikes are made for, and I ride them accordingly. Maybe we should just skip the middle man here, and you can tell whomever you are discussing bikes with to come here and justify why he'd want the Uzzi to be an XC rig...no offense.
    esquire, Nice rant. Well first, I never put down the new Uzzi. Don't know where you came up with that one.A xc rig? I don't own or want one.My size and strength I would wreck the bike. If you READ WHAT I WROTE.I thought from the first specs the new Uzzi would be OK NOT GREAT BUT OK IN THE WOODS.-STAY WITH ME NOW- My plan was getting a New Uzzi putting a 160mm fork on it.That change to putting 180mm adj fork on it.That would have been a 2009 Marzocchi 66 ATA RCS which was not the fork, I really wanted to go with.The Totem solo air is what I liked, but felt when doing some climbs it would be to much.So like the other guy said in his post.Getting the new Uzzi as a lift bike.He is right. That is the way to go with new Uzzi. What was said in past post about the build of the Uzzi-heavy duty build I agree with you guys It would be a waste not building that bike to the max. Because I don't live very close to a mountain or bike park.I would have to travel to get to use the bike.So my point is maybe down the road I will get a new Uzzi or some other D.H spec bike.As far as the Traver Vpp and Nomad yes they are very close never said other wise.My idea was to have two strong AM bikes the Tracer Vpp and the Nomad when one needs to be work on or if something breaks, or shocks get service.I have a back up bike. The Spec Enduro SL is nice-the lightest bike I have. But the Tracer Vpp gives me the confidence to hit and ride anything the bike is solid.It inspires confidence in you.So the plan light bike-Enduro SL expert, AM- Tracer Vpp,Nomad. Add down the road a DH/FR bike built up for that and that only.Then that should do it. I feel that not one bike can do it all, some come pretty close.But the AM to DH/FR is a big gap.Looking forward to hearing different peoples takes on the New Uzzi after they have ridden it. As for the end of you thread about the bike thing. You couldn't be any more wrong.No never said I want a Uzzi as a XC bike.I know what a bike can handle and what it can't.And what application to use it in. You don't have to own a bike shop to figure that one out.
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    Sorry but Esquire did not post a "rant". He did however use paragraphs, proper sentence structure and punctuation.

    Just to keep it on topic I think the Uzzi is nicely separated from the Tracer in term of being a freeride/heavy duty trail bike.

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    [QUOTE=Resident Alien]
    - I think the kinked seat tube is bad compromise in the name of versatility and actually reduces real-world versatility in order to support the extremes of the frame's adjustments. I think more people will need and appreciate the seatpost room than the ability to run super short stays + long travel. Perhaps two dropout settings would be enough?

    - I think the travel is too much in **both** settings. The original 6.75 and 7.25 settings were much better in my opinion. The former is already at the extreme of trail-bike/all-mtn and the latter is more than enough to ride anything save for full-on DH. As a point of reference, most of my friends who live in the Vancouver area do their "trail" riding with 6" bikes.
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    my thoughts about this were the same. i think Jeff going to made the right decisions when making the Uzzi ready for production....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thump
    +1 for esq.

    Everyone seems to have a different opinion of a trailbike. I ride a VPX with a Totem as my trail bike and it's handled many days of brutal high altitude climbing. On the flip side it's survived casing 30' gaps, a busy season of resort riding and shuttle days descending nearly vertical rock faces and scree slops. IMO the Uzzi has always been defined by it's versatility in being able to pedal similar to an AM rig, but still remain comfortable on true DH terrain. Reducing the travel or making the HA any steeper would kill that.
    Stop trying to talk yourself up! We all know you cant ride scree slopes.. Sh!t you cant even make it through the field goal


    And for the rest of you whining on this thread STOP IT. This is a great bike and if you dont like it dont buy it.

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    I like my 07 Socom for a do all bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesinmud
    .... but what I'm really anxious to see is a revamped spider 29er when you get a chance. Thanks for the goods.
    Jeff,

    I must agree with "bikesinmud". I have been quite interested in trying out and would love to get onto an Intense 29" bike. I had hoped that you would continue to develop and perfect the 5.5 29 or a newer incarnation. While I realize that you are hard pressed to keep up with production of 26" bikes, 29" appear to be a growing part of the market. Have you decided to mothball any 29" production? Do I buy something else or do I wait for an Intense?

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    Agreed...

    Quote Originally Posted by kntr
    I like my 07 Socom for a do all bike.
    And with the hammerschmidt, the Socom gets even more versatile. That was the only downfall I felt with the Socom being a trail monster, the lack of a front D stop.

    Back on topic, I think Jeff is building a great bike for FR, light dh and heavy duty all mountain riding. Is it going to be as light as a nomad, tracer, or some other dedicated trail machines, of course not. Is it going to have the same geometry as the tracer, nomad, etc., nope, and I'm very glad it won't. Will it be as steep as a Nomad for climbing? Nope, not designed to be, because climbing comfort is probably about 4th or 5th on the list of priorities of this frame, for obvious reasons.

    Jeff, why can't you make the Spider slacker, with more travel, shorter chainstays, and able to take 10' drops with ease. Now, there you'd have something I can do FR/DH on...

    Rant off... Its all good boys, this is why these discussions are helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    I am suprised to hear the desire for Manitou as we had offered & were big fans of them in the past years but made the switch to Fox from consumer & dealer demand, we were stuck with lots of those shocks that nobody wanted last year.
    Works Blue will be a stock color & please remember the numbers could change a bit in the next two months.
    Jeff,

    I have had a Manitou Evolver ISX-6 on my 5point5 for over two years now and it's the best thing I could have done. If I go for a Tracer VP in the near future I would like to investigate getting it with an Evolver. They are in my opinion the best air shocks I've tried. It is a great pity that Hayes have neglected to market Manitou at all ( or even bothered to update the website ) since they took the company over. There have been a few threads on the shock board in which guys have been full of praise for the Evolver, especially on VPP bikes ( but not only ) where platform damping is not required and in my opinion is a negative.

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    man, is it JUST ME OR does johnny g sound like A COMPLETE douche in pretty much all of his postings? nomad & tracer & enduro; sounds redundant to me...

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    I think, you would be very happy with a Tracer Vpp. The Tracer Vpp- with the new Vpp,grease fittings,1.5, and stiff rear Tri. The bike is mint. I would demo one, if you get the chance. I think you will be very pleased. P.S All the guys on this forum who bought Tracer Vpp's have been very happy with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    man, is it JUST ME OR does johnny g sound like A COMPLETE douche in pretty much all of his postings? nomad & tracer & enduro; sounds redundant to me...
    What I was thinking. He is complaining about everything.
    Hope he buys the Nomad and goes away to the SC board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowskilz
    Stop trying to talk yourself up! We all know you cant ride scree slopes.. Sh!t you cant even make it through the field goal
    Dammit T! Callin' me out again. True, I mainly use the VPX as a road bike, but it handles the occasional curb drop like a champ. My original argument still stands.. any steeper of a HA and I'd probably end up over the bars on those gnarly speed bumps down in town.

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    word, stumpy steve keeps it real...The new Uzzi is sick!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylooking
    These aren't the bikes you're looking for...

    Nice.

    If you'd photoshopped the Uzzi in place of C3-P0 I would've been even more impressed.

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    Beautiful.

    Is the dropout geo change so that longer wheelbase means half a degree slacker or steeper head angle?

    I.e. long and slack or short and steep.

    Also, what's the intended use? Is it ok to use this bike for socom duties, ie no hucking but some drops and technical dh.
    Swedish trail/AM/Enduro/DH-rider - Currently rides Spitfire V2 & Devinci Wilson SL. Spending the summer 2013 in Whistler, BC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    man, is it JUST ME OR does johnny g sound like A COMPLETE douche in pretty much all of his postings? nomad & tracer & enduro; sounds redundant to me...
    Hahaha, get out of my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scruffylooking
    Enduro SL, Tracer VP, and Nomad? No offense Johnny, but it seems a bit redundant to have so many bikes so close together in nature. Some might think that's a waste of money, too. =P

    Also, I think folks were just reacting to you calling certain aspects of the Uzzi "deal killers" when that style of a bike was never something that interested you in the first place. Can't kill a deal that was never a deal to begin with.

    But no worries. You have some rad bikes. Ride the crap out of them and get your money's worth!
    I totally agree with you. Seems to me the primary point of owning more than one bike is to have a specific bike for different occasions. As opposed to the reverse logic of NOT wanting to own a bike because you cannot use it everyday. That is EXACTLY why you want a second bike. If I had the extra cash right now I would definitely buy a DH bike, not another road bike, cx bike, 6" bike, or singlespeed, I already have those bases covered.

    but whatever, as long as the money is getting put into the industry it's a positive.

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    Slick new bike Jeff. Fills the gap perfectly between DH bike and 6" trail bike. Would be a really fun bike to ride in Santa Cruz. With only a tire change you could shred Whistler or Northstar as well. A great choice for the guy looking for the "one-bike-wonder".

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    Another call here to get this thread back on track. So, the primary purpose of the bike sounds to me like trail friendly free ride. I'm not as dogmatic about the travel having to match front and rear or that the front must be the same or longer than the back. But I am curious as to how this thing will ride with a 160mm fork in the front with a lighter trail build. Being a current Nomad rider, and loving it, I'm curious.

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    I will be setting this bike up in a trail mode this week with Fox 36 & RS monarch & XT kit.
    In the short CS setting the HA should be 67.5 and the RS monarch is 8,75 x 2.5 as they don't do the 2.75 in the air cause the comp ratio gets jacked, so the travel will be in the 6.5 to 6.75 range in the short setting on the link.Did I say this frame was adjustable!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    man, is it JUST ME OR does johnny g sound like A COMPLETE douche in pretty much all of his postings? nomad & tracer & enduro; sounds redundant to me...
    He used to sound like a complete TOOL to me until I put him on my ignore list.
    It used to make my brain hurt trying to read his drivel....I now just see that he has posted..

    Judging by the last couple of post i wonder if he is back trying to justify 20% sag on the new uzzi ... or, is he just back schooling Jeff on how to design and sell mountain bikes?

    Alas, I will never know, the new uzzi looks great though.
    Intense 6.6..... Demo 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    I will be setting this bike up in a trail mode this week with Fox 36 & RS monarch & XT kit.
    In the short CS setting the HA should be 67.5 and the RS monarch is 8,75 x 2.5 as they don't do the 2.75 in the air cause the comp ratio gets jacked, so the travel will be in the 6.5 to 6.75 range in the short setting on the link.Did I say this frame was adjustable!!
    Be sure to let us know your ride impressions in that setup!! Does this thread smell with customer service? Yup. I'm really going to like this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    I will be setting this bike up in a trail mode this week with Fox 36 & RS monarch & XT kit.
    In the short CS setting the HA should be 67.5 and the RS monarch is 8,75 x 2.5 as they don't do the 2.75 in the air cause the comp ratio gets jacked, so the travel will be in the 6.5 to 6.75 range in the short setting on the link.Did I say this frame was adjustable!!
    yeah, sounds very interesting to me. i'm very curious about the complete weight but also the frame weight featuring the Monarch....

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    i really can't wait for this frame to go into production.. i've ridden/owned three different bikes this year and after trying out the whole xc thing, its not for me.. i used to own a 6" bike and it just was not slack/low enough for me and i wanted another inch or so of travel. i really loved the proto's that i rode, jumping on the bike it just felt right. with the final revision of 7-7.5" travel and adjustable dropouts, it really sealed the deal for me. trail mode i think i will run either a 66 or totem fork and set it in 7" mode.. for bike park/dh use a dual crown and 7.5" travel mode would be sweeet... using a 8.25" weight and a standard xt level built and heavy duty am wheelset it comes out to around 35 lb. using the speed goat calculator... not too bad if i say so myself, my current 4.5" travel bike weighs 37.5 lbs

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    Seat angle on the preproduction bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    What I was thinking. He is complaining about everything.
    Hope he buys the Nomad and goes away to the SC board.
    God I hope not; I've got a blur lt so I'm on there quite a bit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    I will be setting this bike up in a trail mode this week with Fox 36 & RS monarch & XT kit.
    In the short CS setting the HA should be 67.5 and the RS monarch is 8,75 x 2.5 as they don't do the 2.75 in the air cause the comp ratio gets jacked, so the travel will be in the 6.5 to 6.75 range in the short setting on the link.Did I say this frame was adjustable!!
    Jeff, If you could post the pic's and specs of the bike that would be great. Uzzi- R/S, XT- Build thanks...

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    I was looking for a bike in the <b>777</b> category (7" travel, 7lbs, 67 degree headangle) and ended up with One. I have never owned a mtn biking full face helmet and I am mostly a lycra wearing trail rider. I just need a bike that will give me more confidence to do/<i>plow</i> those tech sections. Bikes in this category are exactly what i was looking for, not too heavy, not too slack headangle, and plenty of error cushion in the travel. These bikes may appeal more to the XC rider like me moving up rather than DH/FR guy moving down. I was riding a 575 so the 6.6, nomad, rfx just didn't feel like worth the trouble for an inch or less of extra travel, 7"+ definitely. This new Uzzi is definitely sick.

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    Uzzi with 36 & air shock

    Couldn't wait to get this thing switched over to trail mode and get it out on the trail.
    With Fox 36 & Monarch air with mainly XT bits & 2.35 Intense tires came in @ 31lbs.
    Here are some numbers of medium frame 23" tt with G3 in short 17" and flush 1 1/8" headset.
    Ha @ 67.5 , BB @ 14.25 & WB @ 44.75.
    Simple adjustment of dropout can yield slacker lower #.
    Remember the airshocks are 2.5" travel so the wheel travel is in the 6.5 range in the short setting and in the 7" range in the long setting on the link.
    Will give a trail report tomorrow.
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    Those numbers sound good and the bike looks great. Am I to assume that, like the Tracer, changing the shock position has no effect on the geometry?

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    looks absolutely amazing...love the colour...and the blue detail on the tires...at 31 pounds you've set the bar very high for the opposition...

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    So with VPP 2 you can change the shock length without messing up the suspension performance? Sweeeeeeeet!!!!!! Makes the new Uzzi even more versatile! 2 shocks, 2 forks, 2 wheelsets and you are set for everything!

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    Looking forward to your ride report. Jeff what Factory Intense build kits will be available for the Uzzi? And what rear shock options? In the pic No-Fox 36 Talas RC2 1.5 with the CC 1.5 flush headset? I have that on my Tracer Vpp-with Intense XT-build kit very nice set up. Great looking bike!!! Please get out there and ride that Uzzi so I can read your feed back.

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