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    I think the Uzzi geometry is optimized for 180mm of fork travel... otherwise you are turning it into a glorified Tracer 2.. Just my opinion.

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    180mm Fork or else buy a Tracer 2!!

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    I had a 170 Lyrik with 0-stack headset, changed to a higher stack height headset (and converted air Lyrik to coil so it stays higher up in it's travel).

    I'd say it depends a lot on the trails you ride, the BB is pretty low, so at least on our really rocky trails I had to find a way to get it up a bit. Actually a 170mm fork with heigh stack hight headset will be about as high as a 180 with 0-stack (even higher when compressed). For downhill I wouldn't mind an even longer fork, but I'm sure it would start to be a hindrance on trails.

    I had a Tracer too, and it felt very different even when I initially just swapped all the parts over. The Uzzi is a lot more stable, plush etc, more like a tractor when going up hill or straight terrain (better traction, slightly slower to accelerate but keeps up it's speed better). The different G3 dropout positions also has a big effect on how the bike feels, but the slacker positions lower the BB quite a lot. So with a low fork you might be forced to use a steeper position, meaning you end up with a steeper HA. On the other hand the steeper settings also result in a more nimble ride due to the shorter wheelbase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    OCMoto, please let me know how the floating rotors work out with the Lyrik and V2!
    Clearance is just right(the lower post spacing is actually more than it looks it the pic due to the crappy camera angle). Btw, I'm running Hadley hubs and it seems that the common problem hubs are Chris King and Industry Nine from what I've read while researching.




    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    I had a 170 Lyrik with 0-stack headset, changed to a higher stack height headset (and converted air Lyrik to coil so it stays higher up in it's travel).

    I'd say it depends a lot on the trails you ride, the BB is pretty low, so at least on our really rocky trails I had to find a way to get it up a bit. Actually a 170mm fork with heigh stack hight headset will be about as high as a 180 with 0-stack (even higher when compressed). For downhill I wouldn't mind an even longer fork, but I'm sure it would start to be a hindrance on trails.

    I had a Tracer too, and it felt very different even when I initially just swapped all the parts over. The Uzzi is a lot more stable, plush etc, more like a tractor when going up hill or straight terrain (better traction, slightly slower to accelerate but keeps up it's speed better). The different G3 dropout positions also has a big effect on how the bike feels, but the slacker positions lower the BB quite a lot. So with a low fork you might be forced to use a steeper position, meaning you end up with a steeper HA. On the other hand the steeper settings also result in a more nimble ride due to the shorter wheelbase.
    This is what I was thinking with the Lyrik (using an external lower cup to compensate a bit), but my Lyrik is a 160 U-turn so it's still a bit short. It will end up probably being temporary since I have a Tracer as well and can use that for more mellow stuff. I will have the bike finished tomorrow night and hopefully will get to test a Totem on it this Saturday. I got selected by Rockshox to do a suspension demo on one of my bikes

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    Your a fortunate guy!

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    Just added a CCDB Air to mine in anticipation of the snow melting.... Very impressed so far with the shock... no real ride time yet, but the installation and setup went smoothly. Weight is at 33.8 lbs.



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    Awesome on the CCDB Air gretch! Keep us informed when you get some good trail time in. How do you like the Straitline Silent Guide? I'm going to end up running mine 1x10. Spent a bunch of time trying to get 2 different derailleurs setup and then my nice new X0 shifter broke right before I put the bike in my rack to head for the trail. Ended up riding it in my 24T granny

    It's complete for now and I got a ride in on San Juan trail before the rains hit in SoCal this weekend So far, I love this bike. It does need a bigger fork, but it actually rode surprisingly well with the 160. Plus it let me get a ride in on it and an initial feel for the bike. Looking forward to a fun summer!!!


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    OCMoto, nice looking rig....

    I've done a few laps around the hood on the CCDB Air and first impressions are very good mid-stroke support and extremely plush off the top of the travel. Good things in my books. The ramp up after mid-stroke is quick though even with HSC backed right down. Apparently that is a trait of this shock that I won't have a chance to test until I can get in some hard DH runs. The Straitline guide is nice.... no moving parts and it has a flush mount back plate that doesn't interfere with the lower VPP link.

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    So I'm pretty much ready to move on to a 180mm fork now. The dilemma is what to get

    I have been riding a Lyrik Coil U-turn for over a year now(on my Tracer and now 4 rides with it on the Uzzi) and it was my first coil fork. I absolutely love the feel of it. What I am struggling with now is whether or not to go back to air for keeping the Uzzi's weight where it is(or close to it @35lbs) and whether or not I will want/need travel adjust. If I go coil I am looking at either the Totem or Marz 66 RC3 EVO Ti. If I go air and possibly travel adjust, I am thinking Totem or Talas. I personally have never owned a Fox fork but have read many mixed reviews about them, especially the Talas. I do prefer to work on all of my own equipment and have actually never had one of my bikes or suspension components in a shop. I think I can get past that on the fork if it means a solid weight and performance difference.

    Thoughts from anyone out there with experience on a variety or forks? Especially on the Uzzi itself?

    Thanks guys!!!

    p.s. for gearing reference I am running 1x10 now with a 32T chainring and 36 cassette
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    I've used a Totem and am currently running a Fox 180 Float on my Uzzi.... honestly I prefer the Fox, but that's just my opinion.

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    I would prefer the Marzocchi 66. Its a nice fork. Or a Fox 180 Van. Coil is so much better than air.
    Perfomance is more important than weight.

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    I would go with the 66. That'll be my next fork. Im still running an old one from 05 and its perfect. They had some bad years but the new ones seem to be back on track. So that gets my vote. Plush and serviceable, open bath is money

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    Recently had Totem Coil, currently Lyrik Solo Air, but had a short ride on fellow's 66 RC3 Ti and I must say it's absolutely brilliant - so plush that it should really relief hand fatigue, not to mention front wheel traction. Marzocchi had some bad times but i think that now they are back in the business for good.
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    Just finished this build after selling my Tracer 29. It may have company in a month or so

    Literally just finished, tested it around the neighborhood and fiddling with lever adj, air pressure and any loose items. Breaking it in tomorrow.






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    That is sick Albert!

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    Alright, so after much deliberating with myself and feedback from a few of you(thanks guys!), I went for the Marz 66. Just installed the fork today, so nothing but a parking lot test so far. Tomorrow it will get some breaking in and I can't wait!


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    Slight change to the suspension for me. Marzocchi 888 RC3 EVO fork and Cane Creek DBAir. This setup feels really, really good, but not finished tweaking yet. Weights 35.5 lbs on the nose.


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    Siiick gretch!

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    So Gretch, since you've used so many different forks on the Uzzi, give us some experiences...

    I currently have a 170mm coil Lyric but play with the idea of something bigger... Totems are a lot (40%) cheaper then foxes here, but sometimes I see boxxers for even cheaper.

    But I do spend most of my time on trails.

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    Well, I've tried a Totem, Fox 180 and Marzocchi 888 RC3 EVO to date.... the Totem and Fox 180 were mainly used for AM type stuff and the occasional shuttle, so pedalling was at a premium as was turning radius... I give the nod to the Fox because it is so much lighter and felt pretty plush and controlled when setup correctly. The switch to the 888 was due to the fact that I was mainly using the Uzzi for shuttling and wanted something with a bit more stiffness, hence the dual crown and direct mount stem. The 888 is bar none the plushest, most responsive fork I have ever had the pleasure to own. It just sucks up everything. The similarities in axle-2-crown height between the Fox 180 and 888 made the transition seamless as you don't really notice a change in the geometry (which is minimal), so that was good. The bike gained 2 lbs overall, but I think the gain in stiffness was worth it.

    Basically, I wanted the Uzzi to be a dedicated mini-DH shuttle/park bike and my Tracer will fill the void for trail/AM riding.

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    Gretch, what length Thomson seatpost are you running? I wanna switch out my Kind Shock Supernatural 385mm for either a 367mm or 410mm Thomson Elite. I'm trying to figure out if the 410mm will be too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almeister View Post
    Gretch, what length Thomson seatpost are you running? I wanna switch out my Kind Shock Supernatural 385mm for either a 367mm or 410mm Thomson Elite. I'm trying to figure out if the 410mm will be too long.
    Its 367.

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    Quote Originally Posted by almeister View Post
    Gretch, what length Thomson seatpost are you running? I wanna switch out my Kind Shock Supernatural 385mm for either a 367mm or 410mm Thomson Elite. I'm trying to figure out if the 410mm will be too long.
    Measure visible seatpost. Add minimum insertion length. Add little to be sure. Round up to next available length...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    Its 367.
    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop View Post
    Measure visible seatpost. Add minimum insertion length. Add little to be sure. Round up to next available length...
    Cool, thanks for the info guys.

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    any of you guys with a medium uzzi vp and 180mm travel single crown fork, can you please give a wheelbase dimension (measured)? I'm trying to decide between a M & L, and crunching the numbers compared to my old uzzi vpx, it doesn't add up. Someone please measure!

    thanks. also tell what position the dropout is in

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    I decided to make my Uzzi a little less country and a little more rock'n'roll. 34.9lbs, 65 degree ha. It did raise the bb a bit though, sitting right around 14" in the slack/long setting. I still have some fine tuning to do and hit the trail with it.
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    hi guys
    just wondering how U recommend LG1+ chain guide? any problems with instalation or now with runing? have plan for 32-36 size of one of them.
    thanks Adam

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    Quote Originally Posted by djadamnash View Post
    hi guys
    just wondering how U recommend LG1+ chain guide? any problems with instalation or now with runing? have plan for 32-36 size of one of them.
    thanks Adam
    I've installed one on my Uzzi few weeks ago, and it worked surprisingly well, but still with some issues:
    - I had to file some material off - but only 2-3 mm of a narrow plastic corner, so it took just few minutes and for sure didn't compromise structural strenght. The "modification" is also merely visible, so probably you will not have any guarantee problems as well.
    - the angle of the chain device is not perfect, it has to be rotated little further counter-clockwise to clear the lower VPP link, and also device must me set in "wide" position (refer to E.13 manul to see what I mean). It looks like this and this is maximum that you will get without any *major* modifications:




    But what is good though, is that it works! And that is definitely not obvious with this frame... It's rather quiet (especially with self-adhesive velcro padding inside the upper cage) and the chain stays put all the time. The spacing/chain line is also quite well, so generally I can reccomend it for Uzzi VP.
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    Thanks man. Just read some reviews and many people just complain E13's quality production as very, very bad. But about MRP G2 mini as well. So I'm little confused wich one get. Intense recommend MRP or Straitline but I prefer one without bash ring. Big plus for E13 and MRP is chance to laborate with size of chainrings (in my opinion from 32T to 36T because that will by my firs 1x10 set-up), with Silent Guide is only two opinion - 32T only or 34-36T, but with no any problem with VPP! And now make decision!

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    On chainreaction web sites is nice review about MRP Mini G2 chain guard.


    methcohna from United Kingdom Owner 31 July 2011 18:50
    I have had the MRP G2 SL Mini for 2 weeks, on my first ride the lower guide smashed off on a rock flicking up, but on my 5th ride the upper guide cracked with now impact. The plastic is poor quality and I was disappointed as I paid 4300 on a Trek Scratch 9. I now have to either replace the parts knowing they will probably brake again, or buy a whole new chain guide, gutted!

    Adam from United Kingdom Owner 30 May 2012 18:36
    I have had 4 rides on my bike. Last night haveway down a hill I heard a hellava noise from my chain but managed to get to the bottom without peddling. The lower roller case and upper guide were both smashed off? I didn't hit any rocks or fall off, so can only think the chain bunched or skipped and caused it to pass through the guide and take off all the plastic bits. Total rubbish.

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    For relatively heavy, hard-hitting bike like Uzzi, I think 32T is the one to go for. I use myself with 1x9 (11-34 in the rear) and I whink that 11-36 casette would give perfect gear range for enduro riding with Uzzi. If you don't do any uphills, you could go with 34-36T, but if you use your bike for all mountain riding, 32T will be best IMO.
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    On my Uzzi I tried the E13 SRS+, Straitline silent guide and the MRP Mini G2 SL... the only one which had a fit optimized for the Intense VPP system was the MRP... the others are compromises and the Straitline was just crappy on my Uzzi... not sure why, as I am sure others have had better luck, but I would recommend the MRP.

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    Gamut's P series guides are VPP compatible.

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    Updated:

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    14,8kg in the picture. Since then Ive put on some meatier tyres for the even more wet months.


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    An event we had over this past weekend.
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    A view of the lap from my friend's Helmet Cam.

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    Hi to all.
    Just bought an L size but probably I need to move with a M size.
    Is there any good guy who could measure the wheelbase of the M size with a totem 180mm and the G3 dropout in the longer position?
    Just to be sure for getting an other uzzi with the same feel that I discovered with this L size and the dropout in the middle, you what I mean.

    Thanks

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    !! No one at all??

    Ok, than I take this for the second question:
    I got a 550lbs spring on my fox dhx 4.0, I am 80 kg naked and around 85 with camel and safety protection, do you think it is too heavy for me?

    Thanks again

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    yes I think that spring is too hard for you, I am 220# and I have a 500 spring on my uzzy


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    When I bought my Uzzi a few months ago Fanatik Bike put a 500# spring on based on my 200# riding weight. It feel great to me, but I'm used to a HT so it's like a LazyBoy at this point.

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    Not mine, saw it posted on Fanatik's FB feed.







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    That is a sick build. Nicely done.

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    Been great looking through everyone's picks. I was tempted to put a picture of my Socom in as, you know, it's half an Uzzi O_o.
    But I cna't believe some of the weights people are getting - 35lbs!? Mine is a fairly light build, ti spring, Flows, Currently has trail tyres on it, the finishing kit isn't heavy, old boxxers might be meatier than some peoples, but it still tips in at over 37lbs. Is the Socom frame heavier than an Uzzi?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthuar View Post
    Hi to all.
    Just bought an L size but probably I need to move with a M size.
    Is there any good guy who could measure the wheelbase of the M size with a totem 180mm and the G3 dropout in the longer position?
    Just to be sure for getting an other uzzi with the same feel that I discovered with this L size and the dropout in the middle, you what I mean.

    Thanks
    !! Help

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    Q1 - 2010 Uzzi in medium with 180 mm Talas in the centre position for the 3G dropout is giving a wheel centre of 1165 mm.

    Q2- I am about 105 Kg and 5' 10" tall, I run 500 ti spring on a Slope Style and 550 ti spring on the Uzzi.
    550 feels firm in the short travel position and felt really nice in the long travel position but found the resulting lower BB would catch stuff at full travel.
    Ran with Boxxer's in the long travel position and it felt quite stretched out so never tried the longer 3G dropout position.

    jes

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    arthuar

    Q1 - 2010 Uzzi in medium with 180 mm Talas in the centre position for the 3G dropout is giving a wheel centre of 1165 mm.

    Q2- I am about 105 Kg and 5' 10" tall, I run 500 ti spring on a Slope Style and 550 ti spring on the Uzzi.
    550 feels firm in the short travel position and felt really nice in the long travel position but found the resulting lower BB would catch stuff at full travel.
    Ran with Boxxer's in the long travel position and it felt quite stretched out so never tried the longer 3G dropout position.

    jes
    Thanks a Lot Jes,
    I love you more, if You can supply the wheel centre (wheelbase) of the same bike but in the longer G3 position.
    Thanks again for your time.

    Emanuele

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthuar View Post
    Thanks a Lot Jes,
    I love you more, if You can supply the wheel centre (wheelbase) of the same bike but in the longer G3 position.
    Thanks again for your time.

    Emanuele
    Sorry Emanuele,

    The offer of "more love" is never a bad thing but I am not with the bike now for a couple of days and to be frank with the titanium chain ring bolts in the dropout they tend to be a pain to swop around.

    Try seeing if there is some geo data somewhere giving wheel base lengths for the different G3 location and calc the difference from that.

    Good luck.

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    Yes, ur right it was a Love for the a Bike lover as me.
    Understood. No prob
    You could see the solution measuring hole to hole without touch the drop out even ;-)
    Thanks.

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    No worries.
    The G3 dropout holes are less than the diameter of a chainring bolt (M8) apart so I would estimate about 4-6 mm .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluechair84 View Post
    Been great looking through everyone's picks. I was tempted to put a picture of my Socom in as, you know, it's half an Uzzi O_o.
    But I cna't believe some of the weights people are getting - 35lbs!? Mine is a fairly light build, ti spring, Flows, Currently has trail tyres on it, the finishing kit isn't heavy, old boxxers might be meatier than some peoples, but it still tips in at over 37lbs. Is the Socom frame heavier than an Uzzi?
    Socom frame w/o shock should be 200-250 g lighter than the Uzzi.

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