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    Spider 29 Comp fork input

    I'd like some feedback from Spider 29 Comp riders out there. I'm currently riding a Carbine 27.5, Fox 34, XX1, Enve AM I9. I'm fortunate to have a good size credit at my shop and will be building a Spider 29 Comp. I'm thinking 140 Pike or Revelation, X01, Nox/I9 or Reynolds wheels. Most important feedback I'm looking for from Spider riders would be their thoughts on putting a 140 fork rather than a 120.

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    Fox 34/ 140 on the front of my Comp. Love the head angle and the stiffness. I feel its worth the small weight penalty. Get the Pike 140.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcohen View Post
    I'd like some feedback from Spider 29 Comp riders out there. I'm currently riding a Carbine 27.5, Fox 34, XX1, Enve AM I9. I'm fortunate to have a good size credit at my shop and will be building a Spider 29 Comp. I'm thinking 140 Pike or Revelation, X01, Nox/I9 or Reynolds wheels. Most important feedback I'm looking for from Spider riders would be their thoughts on putting a 140 fork rather than a 120.
    If you're a more aggressive rider/will be riding more technical terrain then I would definitely go for the 140 Pike.
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    Thanks for the replies. Pike it is!!

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    Spider 29 Comp fork input

    I have a 140Pike w/ 51mm crown offset to help w/ steering and can highly recommend it. Far superior IMHO to the 120mm Float CTD on my last bike. Also the 140 seems to compliment the Spiders 5" well, very balanced feeling.

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    How much of a factor do you feel the 51mm offset is?

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    Spider 29 Comp fork input

    That's pretty hard for me to answer because the only suspended 29ers that I've owned have both had 51mm offset. The first was a Trek Stache, the other my Spider Comp. If you've read about the Trek/ Gary Fisher G2 geometry many people say they've got the 29er game dialed. The biggest difference from their competitors being the fork offset.

    I did jump on a buddies SB95 w/ standard offset the other day and at slow speed it felt like the wheel wanted to flop to either side (not stay straight) much more than my Stache or Spider Comp. Once you got moving it wasn't as noticeable.

    Hopefully that helps but I'm sure you can find better info than I've got...

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    I am kinda in the same boat and can't decide on travel My marzocchi 44 is awful and needs to go. I was looking at a pike but adjusting the travel is a huge pain comparatively and I like being able to lower the front end to 120 for endurance racing on the bike. I'm heavily leaning towards the formula 35. Super light, easy travel changes, and great feel and adjustability. Now about the long term durability and service options, that might be the kicker that has me compromise and do a 130 pike.

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    I have a 140 Talas on my Spider and love it. Gobbles everything up.

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    I've tried both the Pike RCT3 140 (had it set to 130 for a while) with the 51mm OS, my friend has the same bike with that fork. I have the Revelation RCT3 130 OEM model, stock OS. He actually preferred the way it rode with the 130 on my bike, but he still prefers the Pike...it's just a better fork. Way more plush, stiff, responsive.

    I actually prefer the lower offset to retain a small bit of that HTA. On top of that, with a good stiff pair of hoops, you can really take advantage of 29er's railing capabilities.

    If I were looking for an optimal setup...if you're running in the low setting (114mm), 130mm no offset. High setting (130mm), 140mm and I could go back and forth whether it's better with the 46 or 51. The difference is small, but noticeable on tight switchbacks. That said..the 130/114 is a really good versatile setup if you're going to be spending a lot more time pedaling.
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    Hi guys. I test rode a spider the other day with a 150 mm pike up front. Don't know the offset, but while I liked a lot of things with the bike I didn't really feel secure on it, actually stacked it on a moderate descent that wasn't to burly but lots of berms and dips, not sure how to word it but the front end felt like it wasn't planted and was wandering and I had little control, turning on the flats at speed I was always under or over steering. I normally ride a Camber with a 120 fork. Could have been the longer fork or the cockpit set up it had a 760 bar on a 30 stem I think. Does it ride better with the stock 130 fork. Any ideas? As the sales assistant could help me sufficiently. I should mention I'm 5.9 and the bike was a large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOHNRB View Post
    Hi guys. I test rode a spider the other day with a 150 mm pike up front. Don't know the offset, but while I liked a lot of things with the bike I didn't really feel secure on it, actually stacked it on a moderate descent that wasn't to burly but lots of berms and dips, not sure how to word it but the front end felt like it wasn't planted and was wandering and I had little control, turning on the flats at speed I was always under or over steering. I normally ride a Camber with a 120 fork. Could have been the longer fork or the cockpit set up it had a 760 bar on a 30 stem I think. Does it ride better with the stock 130 fork. Any ideas? As the sales assistant could help me sufficiently. I should mention I'm 5.9 and the bike was a large.
    To be honest, I feel 130mm with the 46mm offset is the sweetspot. I also ride the rear suspension in the in the 114mm position. I don't have the bike in front of me to see if thats the high slot or the low slot but *most come set at 114mm from factory.

    My friend bought a Pike 140mm with 51mm offset...road it, he rode mine...I didn't mind it on his bike, but he liked the slightly more trail of the 130mm turning over the 140mm. To me it was splitting hairs, but I guess he liked it enough to swap the 130mm and 46mm offset like I have albeit the nicer Pike.

    Honestly I can't see it realistic with a 150mm. I'm sure its doable, but I imagine 140mm would be all the higher you would go on that bike. There's a reason they made the Carbine 29.

    Where I saw the real performance jump on my bike is when I got the wheels built. Atomik Carbon rims made a huge difference. I had to drop the pressure by around 20psi in the front and rear due to the added stiffness, and the bike just came alive.

    I honestly didn't realize how flexy my Pacenti custom wheels were on a big bike. They work fine on my hardtail, but they can't keep up with bigger travel. I am now able to really push that bike and it eats everything up with ease!

    I have to keep going back to the ideal that everything works as a system, and geometry numbers..though some may see as trivial make a difference..and stiffness is really objectively measurable in performance.
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    When the Spider 29 comp was released, the boys at the mother ship said that it was best suited for 130mm travel up front. When they started bombing gravity trails on the Carbine 29, they all went nuts for 150mm with the 51 offset. If you're building a Spider trail bike, I'd personally get a 2016 Fox 34 with 46 offset & 130 travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JOHNRB View Post
    Hi guys. I test rode a spider the other day with a 150 mm pike up front. Don't know the offset, but while I liked a lot of things with the bike I didn't really feel secure on it, actually stacked it on a moderate descent that wasn't to burly but lots of berms and dips, not sure how to word it but the front end felt like it wasn't planted and was wandering and I had little control, turning on the flats at speed I was always under or over steering. I normally ride a Camber with a 120 fork. Could have been the longer fork or the cockpit set up it had a 760 bar on a 30 stem I think. Does it ride better with the stock 130 fork. Any ideas? As the sales assistant could help me sufficiently. I should mention I'm 5.9 and the bike was a large.


    I'm 5'11 and ride a large with a 50mm stem and a 150mm pike. My bike rips it on the descents and so far climbs great. I have considered dropping a 130mm air shaft in as it can feel sluggish in tight corners but it's the only 29er I've ridden after coming off a Santa Cruz blur xcc.

    I would think the large frame is possibly to big for which may be a factor or the bike setup with levers, suspension et can have a huge impact on how it feels. What I like about the bike is I can (when I get one) drop a 120mm Sid in the front, reduce the rear to 115mm and I have a nice xc 29er for race efficiency.

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    Thanks for the replies guys. The way the bike handled was hard to quantify for me I really wanted to love it so maybe the bigger fork and lge size had a bit to with the feeling I got from it. Your advice will give me some questions to ask the shop next time I'm down that way hopefully they can set me up with a test ride with the stock fork.

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    Get a medium frame or a and a 130mm Pike. Medium is your size and you can always increase the travel to 140mm later (probably won't want or need to though).

    The 2016 Fox Talas could interesting option as well. Over the years I have never liked any of the Fox forks that I have owned. The 2016's are getting good reviews but I remain a little skeptical. Skeptical in the same manner when I hear Chrysler say it has addressed all its issues with a new model release and it ends up sucking just as bad as the model before it.

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    I agree with bigdrunk. You need a medium. I am 5.10 and ride a medium and it fits me perfect with a 70mm stem and 750mm handlebar.

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    Their website mentions the preference of the 51mm offset.
    I think a lot of people "blindly" follow their recommendation for this,
    along with the most sought after Pike fork being the RCT3 51mm OS.

    However, if you don't fully understand how it effects the trail and HTA,
    you may not know what the pros and cons of the 51mm OS.

    When Trek originally introduced the 51mm offset on their 29ers, the G2..it was to
    quicken up the steering and to make it an easier transition for those coming
    from a 26". 51mm offset really had minimal impact on short travel bikes, only
    slightly noticeable. As the travel gets longer, that difference is amplified somewhat...
    or at least more noticeable. I personally do not like the 51mm offset because
    you do actually loose HTA, yes steering is faster but it doesn't track over
    rough sections, especially when the front wheel has to square up...Kind of the situations that cause OTB...think of it where you would be going through rock
    gardens as an application where the fork trail being reduced would be a concern. Where as larger trail allows it to treat the "squaring up" differently.
    Now if course you can make your weight more rear-bias and slightly
    lift the bars and the bike is going to track nicely regardless.


    I use an OEM Revelation RCT3 130mm with the standard 46mm offset.
    It seems to be that nice sweet spot between the 36 and 51...though
    numerically, it's not centered. The RCT3 dampener on the Revelation and
    the Pike are stellar. There isn't much talk about the Revelation because its
    a 32mm stanchion that shadowed by the bigger beefier 35mm stanchion Pike.
    However, the dampener is the same albeit different shock oil being used.
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    I've got trouble trying to source a 29er 130mm fork locally in Malaysia. What do you guys think, will the Spider 29C work with a 120mm fork?

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    It will, but you are better suited with a 130-140mm.
    Also, 120mm fork will drop the BB slightly which will have a negative effect when it comes to pedal strikes.
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    I ride my Spider with 120 Sid and with 140 Pike I like it with both fork
    no problem with both
    With 120 I use the 115 shock bolt
    I put 1.5' CC angleset headset that makes the bike the best in it's class.
    Much better then my Carbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esku View Post
    I put 1.5' CC angleset headset that makes the bike the best in it's class.
    How do you come to the conclusion of "best in it's class"? What are you comparing it to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    How do you come to the conclusion of "best in it's class"? What are you comparing it to?
    It means it's the smartest in the class, you dummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    How do you come to the conclusion of "best in it's class"? What are you comparing it to?
    I compare it to Pivote, Riplay, Riplay LS, Santa, Evil, Cube and some others that I had or tried
    The Spider climb as good if not better, it's faster, it goes down better, it's comfortable and it's beautiful
    Consider all this and I think it is the "best in it's class"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver View Post
    It will, but you are better suited with a 130-140mm.
    Also, 120mm fork will drop the BB slightly which will have a negative effect when it comes to pedal strikes.
    Thanks for your advice

    Quote Originally Posted by esku View Post
    I ride my Spider with 120 Sid and with 140 Pike I like it with both fork
    no problem with both
    With 120 I use the 115 shock bolt
    I put 1.5' CC angleset headset that makes the bike the best in it's class.
    Much better then my Carbine.
    I'm planning to run my Spider 29C with 115mm rear travel for use for long distance XC mixed terrain rides that's around >= 18miles usually.

    does Intense actually set 130mm fork as the minimum travel for optimum riding with 115mm/130mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calvingsc View Post
    Thanks for your advice



    I'm planning to run my Spider 29C with 115mm rear travel for use for long distance XC mixed terrain rides that's around >= 18miles usually.

    does Intense actually set 130mm fork as the minimum travel for optimum riding with 115mm/130mm?
    A friend of mine who is a professional rider and much better then me ride's the Spider with 120 up front
    With 120 you can use any of the two settings, 115 is more for the direct feeling and the 130 is more comfortable
    The Spider work's so good that actually you don't really need to use the 115 (with any fork) it's only a matter of what do you like
    18 miles is not long distance, you can easily ride with that bike 50-80 miles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by esku View Post
    A friend of mine who is a professional rider and much better then me ride's the Spider with 120 up front
    With 120 you can use any of the two settings, 115 is more for the direct feeling and the 130 is more comfortable
    The Spider work's so good that actually you don't really need to use the 115 (with any fork) it's only a matter of what do you like
    18 miles is not long distance, you can easily ride with that bike 50-80 miles...
    Esku, your feedback and advise has helped me decide to go with the 120mm fork. Thank you. I plan to make my bike have a XC identity rather than trail. My "full time" bike is actually a Santa Cruz Nomad 160mm F/ 165mm rear It's disappointing that in Malaysia our Fox and RockShox distributors won't bring in the full range of products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calvingsc View Post
    Esku, your feedback and advise has helped me decide to go with the 120mm fork. Thank you. I plan to make my bike have a XC identity rather than trail. My "full time" bike is actually a Santa Cruz Nomad 160mm F/ 165mm rear It's disappointing that in Malaysia our Fox and RockShox distributors won't bring in the full range of products.
    My advise is to try, maybe you will like the 130 or 140 better
    Good luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by esku View Post
    My advise is to try, maybe you will like the 130 0r 140 better
    Good luck
    Now I have to pick between the 120mm Reba RL vs Pike RC. I've managed to source for both. Their price and weight difference is US$ 90 and 220grams. I personally am using the 160mm Pike RCT3 on my Nomad and it's plush and amazing, great for my all mountain needs. But now I am building my spider 29C as an XC bike. Should I be weight weenie and go for the Reba RL or go for damping performance from the Pike RC? Reba uses motion control damper while the Pike uses the Charger damper.

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    130mm vs 120mm Fork
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    130mm vs 140mm Fork
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    Keep in mind there is a difference in A2C measurements between the 32 fox and the 34 fox.

    For example, 120mm 32 fox is 520.8 and the same travel in 34 is 527.1. 130 34mm is 537.1 and 140 34 is 547.1.

    Not a huge difference, but if you want accurate # be sure to put in the correct #'s.
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    Keep in mind there is a difference in A2C measurements between the 32 fox and the 34 fox.

    For example, 120mm 32 fox is 520.8 and the same travel in 34 is 527.1. 130 34mm is 537.1 and 140 34 is 547.1.

    Not a huge difference, but if you want accurate # be sure to put in the correct #'s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFL View Post
    Keep in mind there is a difference in A2C measurements between the 32 fox and the 34 fox.

    For example, 120mm 32 fox is 520.8 and the same travel in 34 is 527.1. 130 34mm is 537.1 and 140 34 is 547.1.

    Not a huge difference, but if you want accurate # be sure to put in the correct #'s.

    Thanks, i referenced Fox 32 measurements.

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