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    Shorter Eye to Eye on SOCOM

    I have heard some people including team riders are running a 5mm shorter eye to eye shock lengths on Socom's.

    Anyone on here done it or got any comments?

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    I have seen this done as to slacken the HA & drop the BB a bit. If you can get a shock built to this spec it seems to be a practical mod.The slight reclocking of the links should not be a problem, but I wouldn't shorten it much more than that as it will start to really effect the shock / linkage rate.

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    If you shortened the eye to eye would you keep the same stroke or shorten that as well?

    Those off set reducers are an interesting idea. Where can i get some?

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    How about offset reducers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    How about offset reducers?

    Those are pretty cool. Unfortunately just about any bike that you would be looking to adjust the eye to eye on will likely use 8mm shock hardware - limiting the offset to probably just a few mm's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Those are pretty cool. Unfortunately just about any bike that you would be looking to adjust the eye to eye on will likely use 8mm shock hardware - limiting the offset to probably just a few mm's.
    True, but if the leverage ratio at the beginning of the stroke is 3:1 you'll drop BB and slacken the HA by a pretty good amount.

    I have a set on my Devinci Wilson which uses 8mm hardware and it dropped the BB 0.25".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    How about offset reducers?
    where do I get some of those?
    I'd like to lower/slack my 6.6 a bit
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    Send a PM to FCB2000. He made them for me.

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    I'd be interested in a set for a 6.6 too. That PM name doesn't exist.

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    ogdmfg at netzero net

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    whoa thats a damn good idea, thanks for letting us know doood

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    Beware of tire buzz if you lower your bike using an offset reducer. A spacer on the damper shaft, below the bottom out bumper, might be in place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
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    Good point Ole....

    Nagarerama, did you lower both ends of the shock or just one?

    Does any one know the specs for bolt diameter and spacing for a 6.6? TIA.

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    Any idea who makes a shock 5mm shorter(235mm) or has the capability to custom mod a shock down 5mm?

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    Hey
    So did anoyone get these made or find out who can do them ?

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    I talked to PUSH and they don't offer custom service to my shock yet(I'm running a Vivid). I've got Mike at www.dirtlabs.com looking into the shock mod right now. In the meantime if that doesn't work out I'm currently having some offset reducers made at a local machine shop for a case of Old Milwaukee. Any good machine shop will be able to make these for pretty cheap.

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    Do you have any info on them, dimenssions ect ?
    Im sure if you treid get some made up people would buy them!

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    The offset reducers have been put on hold. I've found after some research(hassling some DH Pros) that shortening a shock is a lot more common mod among the Pros than we think. I spoke to Duncan Riffle via email and he said everyone on the Cannondale team ran Vivids that were shortened by 10mm to get it into race geometry. He said their shocks were also shortened slightly on the stroke side too, so they lost a small amount of travel, but well worth it to get things low and slack. I've got Mike at dirtlabs working on it for me right now, I'll let you know how it goes. With this mod the Socom might just become the ultimate race bike.

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    Avy will custom make you a shock in just about any size you want.

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    Does anyone have any idea how much the head angle and bb height will change with a 5mm reduction to the eye to eye?

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    Just over 1/2" Lower BB and a little over a degree slacker HT. Add that to crown adjustment and you might be able to get it to 65, 64.5 with a little higher(14") BB.

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    Hmm very interesting. Got to find a spare shock to try now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmtim
    Good point Ole....

    Nagarerama, did you lower both ends of the shock or just one?

    Does any one know the specs for bolt diameter and spacing for a 6.6? TIA.
    Don't know the spacing but it's a 6mm bolt the 6.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by spoker247
    Just over 1/2" Lower BB and a little over a degree slacker HT. Add that to crown adjustment and you might be able to get it to 65, 64.5 with a little higher(14") BB.
    Can I ask how you worked that out ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Adams
    Does anyone have any idea how much the head angle and bb height will change with a 5mm reduction to the eye to eye?
    So, someone try and explain this to me..
    How is the ride different if you do an expensive custom-5mm-shorter shock, compared to that you just turn the preload a little open to get 5mm more sag? All the linkages are the same, and therefore working equally "wrong" in both cases considering the sag preferences and shock rates. And shortening the shock but keeping the same stroke is propably not a good idea, as things would pretty sure start to hit something..
    So all you actually get is a little less (negative) travel from the shortened shock. And the bike looks a bit more "race" when unloaded with the slacker angles, that's very important of course...

    But is the ride different? I personally ride a bit too soft spring in my VPX as it's built as a dh-bike, to get a bit lower riding position.
    The best thing of course would be to get custom dropouts to slacken it, so you'd still get full travel right...
    Retarded!

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