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    PROJECT: Tracer 2 converted to 650b

    I can't believe I did this because I really loved my 26" Tracer 2 and the Haven wheels were fantastic, but curiosity got the better of me and decided to give the 27.5" conversion kit a try with some new 650b FLOW EX rims built on Hope 2 EVO hubs. Finally got it all put together tonight along with a new set of Hope M4's and must say it feels freaking awesome.

    I was really afraid it would lose the spunky playfulness of my 26" setup but after a few tight compression turns and a little curb hopping it feels better than ever. I'm yet to get it on my regular trail to see how it really compares to the previous setup, but early indications are very promising. Like I said, I had no complaints before, but at 6'1" it just feels a little more proportioned and seems to now have a little something extra it was missing before - this definitely feels like it could be the ultimate trail killer for me.

    The head angle registers the same at 67 deg but seems to toggle between 66 & 67 where before it would jump between 67 & 68. The wheelbase grew from right about 46" to and even 46.25" now and the weight is almost identical at 31.85 lbs (including dropper post and pedals)

    The conversion went so perfectly smooth and everything went together with the precision of a Swiss watch - no clearance issues at all with my stock Fox 36 Talas and Neo Moto 2.3's. I'll post a better update once i get some quality trail time with her, but so far it feels like it's going to be an AM beast!

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    Nice!
    Just make sure the wheels don't contact the frame or fork crown. I would deflate the shock and fork and completely bottom them out to see if there are any interferences.
    Where did the BB end up?

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    Weren't you going to try some Hans Dampfs? How do you think the clearance would be for the 2.3 HDs? I'm am very close to snagging myself a T2 and making this switch myself. I just want to be able to run a full true 2.3" tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider View Post
    Nice!
    Just make sure the wheels don't contact the frame or fork crown. I would deflate the shock and fork and completely bottom them out to see if there are any interferences.
    Where did the BB end up?
    Thanks iRider,

    Just curious, I've heard a few people recommend checking the front bottom out clearance, but if the arch, lowers and thru axle mounts are all one piece how could arch clearance change? Or come to think about it, is the concern with the bottom arch or the top crown? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Thanks iRider,

    Just curious, I've heard a few people recommend checking the front bottom out clearance, but if the arch, lowers and thru axle mounts are all one piece how could arch clearance change? Or come to think about it, is the concern with the bottom arch or the top crown? Maybe I'm looking at the wrong spot.
    It is about the fork crown, not the arch. You can clearly see that you have enough space at the arch, but if your tire hits the crown while you ride an OTB is inevitable.

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    OTB for sure. I guess ya don't realize a 160mm fork compresses that much when you're just looking at in in static position. That would really suck to stick a landing only to end up doing a swan dive because the tire bottoms the crown LOL. From what I've read it should be OK but I'll deflate the forks to be safe - thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    ... From what I've read it should be OK but I'll deflate the forks to be safe - thanks.
    Did you try it?
    can the fox 36 support the 27.5 and with what tire/size/tire section

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    Did you try it?
    can the fox 36 support the 27.5 and with what tire/size/tire section
    The Fox 36 Talas does not have any clearance issues with the Pacenti Neo Moto 2.3's. I have heard others say that the Fox 36 will support just about all 650b tires, but I have only tried the 2.3 NM mounted on some FLOW EX rims (mounted up really easy and air-tight so far)

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    Thanks.

    Waiting anxiously to your quality time report.

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    Good job!

    T hi

    I was tempted to do the same on my bike. But as you know mine can't be converted. Keep us posted on how you like it now.

    Happy trails man. Lu
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    Quote Originally Posted by pvflyer View Post

    Happy trails man. Lu
    Hey Lu, good to hear from you, I have had a few short rides, but so far it feels incredible. I still need to hit my local Fully Loop for a good comparison. Yeah, the G1 dropouts are nice for a little versatility. Lets ride again sometime. TL

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    Sorry for the newbie question, but will all Tracer 2 frames convert to 27.5? I'm guessing I just need dropouts from Intense? This seems like a great way to try 27.5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttlemire View Post
    Sorry for the newbie question, but will all Tracer 2 frames convert to 27.5? I'm guessing I just need dropouts from Intense? This seems like a great way to try 27.5.
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    I bought the dropouts from Fanatik Bike. You need both sides and the brake adapter. Just make sure the new rear hub is 12x142. Very easy to do the conversion yourself once you get the right parts. PM me if you need more specifics.

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    Trojan, how does the super slack seat tube angle feel? By my estimates based on how the conversion changes the Carbine angles, with a 160mm fork the seat tube angle will end up a very slack 68.5 degrees. Do you feel pinched off at the hips while pedaling or find yourself riding the nose of the saddle more often? Also, the higher bottom bracket doesn't have you feeling too top heavy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehammer81 View Post
    Do you feel pinched off at the hips while pedaling or find yourself riding the nose of the saddle more often? Also, the higher bottom bracket doesn't have you feeling too top heavy?
    I measured the before and after head angle as close as I could and they both registered 67 but maybe a half degree slacker according to the iphone Clinometer. I don't feel any difference at all with the seat tube, in fact I didn't find it necessary to adjust the seat at all. Although the BB is a little on the high side in static position, it doesn't feel any more top heavy as a result - I was very skeptical about that too but am very happy it is a non-issue for me. I really like it so far. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    I measured the before and after head angle as close as I could and they both registered 67 but maybe a half degree slacker according to the iphone Clinometer. I don't feel any difference at all with the seat tube, in fact I didn't find it necessary to adjust the seat at all. Although the BB is a little on the high side in static position, it doesn't feel any more top heavy as a result - I was very skeptical about that too but am very happy it is a non-issue for me. I really like it so far. Hope this helps.
    Sorry to be picky but could you measure the exact BB height with the 650B drop outs? I'm considering the conversion but really would like to know what the BB height is and I realize it's subjective to tires and fork.. Could always throw some offset bushings in to drop the BB again? Thanks in advance. Bikes looks great!

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    Sorry for lagging on a ride report, but I finally got some quality time on the T2 650b this past weekend up in Big Bear. Mostly some twisty fire roads, but also quite a bit of off-trail mini freeride with some small boulder drops and stump jumping and finally a fast downhill banked quad trail for some speed tests.

    Not sure what to say, but for me the best trail bike just got even better with the conversion. I was very hesitant to do it because I really like a spunky playful bike and feel drawn towards every obstacle I can find and didn't want the bulky feeling that I get with the few 9ers I have ridden. Super happy to report that the bike feels as fun and lively as ever in the techy type stuff and jumps like a champ. The biggest difference I noticed is a more stable platform to crank on when grinding up a bumpy climb and a noticeably better roller on the short hilly pavement ride to the trail.

    A lot of people say the whole 27.5 thing is all psychological, but I know my T2 like the back of my hand and can truly get an "apples to apples" comparison rather than jumping on a brand new 27.5 bike. The reason I did the conversion is because I'll be doing most of my riding up in the mountains from now on and I wanted a bike tailor made for longer rides that can handle everything from XC to light DH - and I think I now found the perfect setup for that kind of riding.

    tmeyer - sorry I can't answer your question with an exact BB height because I left the rig up at the cabin, but I thought it was right about 14" - don't let that number fool you though. I was riding in 6.25" the whole time with about an inch of sag and couldn't tell any difference in a slightly higher BB - I am very conscious of a low CG and would blow up the experiment if I couldn't "drive" the bike the way I like to. Non issue for me.

    Heading back up for more fun as soon as the horn blows on Friday afternoon




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    Great pics.....We've to ride corral canyon in the Boo you will like it.
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    Thank you Trojans1993 for puting the time and effort and bring us your exprience.

    Though converting to 650b was not top of my list, you've very much made it so.
    Much of the trails me and the group are riding are very technical and tight coupled with a lot of short intense up/downs so a lower rolling resistance plowing capability without sacrificing agility is much appriciated.

    Cheers.

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    I see you're running a C-Giude vs a ISCG mount guide. Do you like the C-Guide better? I have a Tracer VP (no iscg tabs) and not much room for a regular guide.

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    I'm not Trojans but I'm also running a C-guide on my Tracer VP.



    This was my second attempt at installation. The first one failed because I had installed it just a little bit too far rearward, so it was too close to the crank arms and I sheared it off when it bounced into the path of the whirling crank arms. The breakaway mounts meant very little damage, though it did get buzzed by the jockey wheels. Since installing it in this location, I've had good results with no more issues. My main reason for installing it was to stop the chain from eating my chainstay, and I think it is succeeding in that department. It also did quiet the bike down, and around here I don't drop the chain anymore or get ghost shifts. We don't have very rough terrain here, but that's all I can offer for experience.

    I'm happy with it, as I didn't want to run a full chain guide. My Tracer has ISCG mounts, so I could, but I didn't want the weight, etc.

    Trojans, thanks for your reviews on the 650B conversion. My next build will definitely be 650B.

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    Thanks CTB. Yeah...I just want to cut down on all the chain slip, I don't have a problem with dropping chains, its pretty rough out where in AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azmxr177 View Post
    I see you're running a C-Giude vs a ISCG mount guide. Do you like the C-Guide better? I have a Tracer VP (no iscg tabs) and not much room for a regular guide.
    I just liked the simplicity of the C-Guide and it barely even registers on the scale. I didn't really have a problem with dropping chains but chain slap was very annoying and the C-Guide has been perfect. I have had it on for about a year now at least and have pretty much forgot that it's even there other than the stoke of a near silent bike when charging the rough stuff - No issues and would buy another in a minute if this one ever breaks.

    Hey CTB - bike is looking good !!

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    Thanks, Trojans. Seems my bike is always changing, as I'm back to my usual wheels and the latest tire setup compared to that picture. It's keeping me entertained until I pop for a T275, but that has to wait until next year.

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    trojans1993 i noticed that in our before and after photos that you changed the travel to 5.75. is there a reason for this? i'm thinking about doing the conversion on mine and was just curious if there is a need for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimi_v View Post
    trojans1993 i noticed that in our before and after photos that you changed the travel to 5.75. is there a reason for this? i'm thinking about doing the conversion on mine and was just curious if there is a need for it.
    No particular reason for it I was just experimenting. I actually like longer travel for almost all riding because it seems climb much more efficient in the 6.25 mode than it did before. I only go 5.75 if its a pure XC ride.

    Went for a killer evening ride up here near Big Bear and I'm digging this setup more every ride.

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    My take on the T275

    Just sampled the T275 demo bike.
    It had a simmilar spec to my T2 back home: XT drivertain and brakes, Fox Float 34 (vs. Float 36 RC2) 740mm carbon handlebar (vs. my 750 alloy), 275 Diablo hops (vs. my DT swiss)
    and Kenda tires (vs. Hans Dampf) both at 2.35.
    65mm stem vs. my 70mm.

    With the disclaimer that I've only tested it for ~16 mile of singles on Wunderlich county park (started from Skyline Blvd) which I've never ridden before:
    It rolled over a bit better but the front felt a tidy bit heavier, the traction was on par which might be down to the tires but than the rolling resistance would probably increase.
    I have to say I wasn't too impressed by the transition to 27.5.


    It was OK and all, but the diffrences were hard to pick up.
    I haven't ridden a bike simmilar to Trojan's but my 275 exprience is that it's minute evolution rather than revolution and to get into the 275 exprience might be to evolve like
    Trojan did rather than build a new bike from scratch.

    Again I haven't ridden them back to back on the same playground but for now I cannot spread the gospel just yet.

    -J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    No particular reason for it I was just experimenting. I actually like longer travel for almost all riding because it seems climb much more efficient in the 6.25 mode than it did before. I only go 5.75 if its a pure XC ride.

    Went for a killer evening ride up here near Big Bear and I'm digging this setup more every ride.
    thanks for the response. that helps. im waiting on tires and then it will be complete.

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    Hi
    Any tyre clearance issues with the frame seat tube or the brace in he swing arm ? with the 275 dropouts, cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffus View Post
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    Any tyre clearance issues with the frame seat tube or the brace in he swing arm ? with the 275 dropouts, cheers
    No issues at all with front or rear clearance. I'm running Flow EX with Pancenti Neo Moto and have about 10mm clearance all around. I'm pretty sure I would have felt any rubbing issues by now if there were any.

    Hope it helps.

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    Thanks for the reply, I'm going to give it a go my fork is a Float 36 tried a 650b Flow Ex wheel with a 2.25 Maxxis Ardent, let all the air out and compressed the fork fully had 10mm+ of space so OK there , just need to order some drop outs, Thanks again :-)

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    Hi guys,
    I ride a Tracer 2 XL and I'm thinking of converting to 27.5. I love my tracer 2, however, I'm thinking 27.5 might be fun. Any advice?
    Will my 36 Talas work with 27.5 wheels?
    How's the ride quality?
    Are you glad you converted?
    Will you stay with 27.5?
    Thanks,
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    Jamie, read the very first post in this thread, I think most your questions are covered. No clearance issues with Fox 36. Yes, I am very pleased with it and definitely sticking with it.

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    How much did it raise the bottom bracket, roughly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    How much did it raise the bottom bracket, roughly?
    I didn't do a pre-conversion BB measurement but it sits about 14" now. Not a noticeable difference IMO - I hate bikes that feel top-heavy and the T2 conversion certainly does not feel out of balance in the slightest.

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    Hey - I notice you are running Hope brakes on your converted T2. Are you running 160mm rear rotor or did you manage to rig a different caliper mount to run larger rotors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRALPH View Post
    Hey - I notice you are running Hope brakes on your converted T2. Are you running 160mm rear rotor or did you manage to rig a different caliper mount to run larger rotors?
    I couldn't find a 180mm rotor adaptor so went with a 203F/160R combo and it's freaking awesome. I was pretty dedicated to XTR brakes, but once I tried the Hope M4's I had to switch and have no regrets.

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    Cool. I'm running Hope Tech EVO V4's but had been running 183 floating rotors in 26" mode. I really wanted to keep that setup but had to order a 160mm in the back. Wish Intense would do a brake adaptor for 27.5 180mm rear rotors.

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    Hi trojans,

    I just want one thing clarified: are you using your original fork or did you need to buy a new one for the 27.5" wheels? From your posts about clearance issues, I would assume you're using the same fork, but other articles that I have read about the conversion make it sound like a new fork is necessary. I currently have a 160mm Float 36 that I would prefer not to replace!

    Oh, and thanks for your posts and time! This is a big deal for a lot of us. Hell, the best tires may not even be available in 26" soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkolinski View Post
    I just want one thing clarified: are you using your original fork or did you need to buy a new one for the 27.5" wheels?
    Yes, you are correct, I was able to use the same Fox Talas 36 I had prior to the conversion without any issues so I'm pretty sure your Float 36 will have the same amount of clearance.

    If I had to buy a new fork for the conversion I probably would have held off doing it for a while, but I have put plenty of miles over some fairly rough terrain with this Fox 36 setup and I wouldn't change a thing - no regrets at all converting to 275.

    Glad to help and if you ever need more info don't hesitate to ask..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Yes, you are correct, I was able to use the same Fox Talas 36 I had prior to the conversion without any issues so I'm pretty sure your Float 36 will have the same amount of clearance.

    If I had to buy a new fork for the conversion I probably would have held off doing it for a while, but I have put plenty of miles over some fairly rough terrain with this Fox 36 setup and I wouldn't change a thing - no regrets at all converting to 275.

    Glad to help and if you ever need more info don't hesitate to ask..
    Well, that is good news! To be sure, I will see if I can find someone I know with 27.5" wheels with beefy tires and see how well they fit. I will deflate my fork to check crown clearance, too.

    Then comes the most difficult part: coming up with the $$ for a new wheelset!

    Thanks for your reply!

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    Thought I would share my experience with this conversion here too. I've only had my Tracer 2 for 3 or 4 months now and just converted it to 27.5 a couple weeks ago. I picked the frame up used at a great deal and parted out my Intense Slopestyle I to fund this project. I should mention that I didn't really get the T2 with the intention of converting it to 27.5. I originally wanted a bike that handled similar to my Slopestyle but needed a better climbing bike for those bigger rides.

    Original setup was a Fox 36 Vanilla RC coil fork up front and a Pushed Fox Float RP23 out back. 1x10 hybrid drivetrain with a 30T RaceFace Narrow/Wide front ring and a 11-42 rear 10 speed cassette courtesy of a SRAM PG-1070 with a 42T cog and a Shimano XT Shadow+ rear D. Original wheels were also Easton Havens with 2.4 Schwalbe Rocket Rons.

    After a couple months or riding I was definitely loving the bike. It was a fun and fairly light setup at 30 lbs. However, at 200+ lbs fully loaded I needed stiffer wheels and more durable tires for my riding. Since I was planning to get a nice wheelset built up anyways I just let curiosity get the best of me and decided to just jump into the 27.5 conversion.

    27.5 Conversion:
    - Chris King hubs laced up to Derby 650B x 40mm carbon rims w/Schwalbe Nobby Nics 27.5x2.35 tires
    - Intense 27.5 dropouts and brake adapter from JensonUSA (best price at the time at ~$150)
    - Cane Creek Double XC zero-stack headset to try and keep the front end height in check (also considering lowering the fork to 150mm)

    New wheelset weight came in at 1740g which is just under the 1750g for my Easten Haven 26" wheels that these replaced. Since I switched from 26x2.4 Rocket Rons to 27.5x2.35 Nobby Nics I also added over half a pound at the tires but a much more appropriate choice of tires anyways.

    Ride-wise, the bike still rocks but I can't really say there is any noticeable difference from riding with 26" wheels and I mostly mean that in a positive way. Cornering through tight switchbacks there does not feel to be any loss in agility. Climbing and descending mostly felt unchanged. I was also worried about raising BB-height but it isn't really noticeable there either. All that said, I got 18 Strava PRs last weekend on a trail that I ride pretty regularly! Mostly on the downhill stuff but also on one of the longer climbs. Must be something to this 27.5 stuff but it certainly isn't revolutionary.

    Here's the pics...

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    Nice job Mondo. Glad to see a Nobby Nic will fit although clearance looks like it's about as tight as I would want to go with it. Give it a little time and you will become fond of the subtle changes. I find the biggest difference is being able to clean some of the more technical climbs with roots, rocks, etc. that I use to get hung up or run out of gas on with my 26" but the 275 seems to have just a bit extra to get over the hump. After switching rides with my buds (almost) identical 26" Tracer I really noticed how more natural the 275 felt for trail riding. Looks great.

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    Looks pretty sweet guys! Whenever l get some money this is my next project. its good to know that 36 Float will work just fine.

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    I'm gonna bump this up since I'm toying with buying a T2 frame that's selling locally.
    Any more feedback on how people are liking the conversion?
    I'm a little surprised Intense is selling the kit for $250 bucks! + $15 shipping?
    Seems a little steep, but looks like it can be done for closer to $200 from third party.

    Anyway, my two biggest apprehensions are:
    1. Weight. I'm going from a 28lb 2009 Stumpjumper FSR Comp. Everything I hear about the Tracer is, "great bike but really heavy". I know I need a burlier bike, but adding 4-5 lbs could prove to be soul crushing.
    2. Fork. I'll be swapping all the parts over from my Stumpy. Fox Float 32 150mm. I know the travel will be alright, even though a lot of folks go for the 160mm. However it'll make the HT a little steeper. Also, mine's got a 1 1/8" straight steer which seems whacky sticking it into a 1.5" straight HT. All in all making me feel like it would work, but isn't appropriate. But, I don't have the budget to do this if I need to buy a new fork.

    So please, feel free to weigh in.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I'm gonna bump this up since I'm toying with buying a T2 frame that's selling locally.
    Any more feedback on how people are liking the conversion?
    I'm a little surprised Intense is selling the kit for $250 bucks! + $15 shipping?
    Seems a little steep, but looks like it can be done for closer to $200 from third party.

    Anyway, my two biggest apprehensions are:
    1. Weight. I'm going from a 28lb 2009 Stumpjumper FSR Comp. Everything I hear about the Tracer is, "great bike but really heavy". I know I need a burlier bike, but adding 4-5 lbs could prove to be soul crushing.
    2. Fork. I'll be swapping all the parts over from my Stumpy. Fox Float 32 150mm. I know the travel will be alright, even though a lot of folks go for the 160mm. However it'll make the HT a little steeper. Also, mine's got a 1 1/8" straight steer which seems whacky sticking it into a 1.5" straight HT. All in all making me feel like it would work, but isn't appropriate. But, I don't have the budget to do this if I need to buy a new fork.

    So please, feel free to weigh in.
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    Go for it! Still my favorite bike in the stable and only planning a couple minor tweaks to my current setup. This bike rocks and is almost as much fun as the Intense Slopestyle it replaced but allows me to climb back up to the top after my descents.

    Got my 27.5 dropouts from Jenson USA for $62/side (Intense G1 27.5" Drop Out > Components > Frames > Mountain Bike Frames | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop). You will have to go through Intense to get the 180mm brake adapter which I thoroughly recommend. I was originally running the 160mm rear brake adapter but with the bigger wheels and 200lbs of geared-up weight I was overloading the brakes.

    Don't worry too much about the weight. You should be able to build yours up around 30 lbs without breaking the bank or sacrificing durability. Mine is just under 31 lbs with a Fox Vanilla 36 coil fork, 2.35 tires and a dropper post.

    As far as the fork, you can also consider running a Works Components headset to counter the steeper head angle (1 0 Degree ZS49 - ZS49 - Traditional 1 5 Reducer Headset). They have options to allow you to slack out the headset from 1-2 degrees. I'm running their headset on an On One 456 carbon AM hardtail with good results. Longer term I would definitely recommend a beefier fork but I think you will still have fun with what you're already planning.
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    I believe you'll need a Fox 36 or a dedicated 650b fork. The 27.5" wheel won't fit in a Fox 32. I have a T2 built pretty burly at 31lbs with a dropper post. I love the bike!! Also I have a 1 1/8 straight steer tube going though the 1.5, no big deal, looks fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides View Post
    Go for it! Still my favorite bike in the stable and only planning a couple minor tweaks to my current setup. This bike rocks and is almost as much fun as the Intense Slopestyle it replaced but allows me to climb back up to the top after my descents.
    Thanks. (damn, that kind of hurts. I keep going back and forth on whether this is a good idea or just spending money fixing a problem I don't have. Grrrrr)

    Got my 27.5 dropouts from Jenson USA for $62/side (Intense G1 27.5" Drop Out > Components > Frames > Mountain Bike Frames | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop). You will have to go through Intense to get the 180mm brake adapter which I thoroughly recommend. I was originally running the 160mm rear brake adapter but with the bigger wheels and 200lbs of geared-up weight I was overloading the brakes.
    Double thanks. I'll stick with the regular adapters (assuming I buy the bike) which are also cheap at Jenson. I'm a lighter and have always run 160 in the back with good results.

    Don't worry too much about the weight. You should be able to build yours up around 30 lbs without breaking the bank or sacrificing durability. Mine is just under 31 lbs with a Fox Vanilla 36 coil fork, 2.35 tires and a dropper post.
    That reminds me; I promised myself I would only buy bikes with a 30.9 seat tube from now on. God I hate needing a different post every time I change bikes. Sounds petty, but needing to buy a new dropper to make this work could be a deal breaker.

    Longer term I would definitely recommend a beefier fork but I think you will still have fun with what you're already planning.
    Again, helpful. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by azmxr177 View Post
    I believe you'll need a Fox 36 or a dedicated 650b fork. The 27.5" wheel won't fit in a Fox 32. I have a T2 built pretty burly at 31lbs with a dropper post. I love the bike!! Also I have a 1 1/8 straight steer tube going though the 1.5, no big deal, looks fine.
    I've stuck a 650b wheel into this fork and it cleared the arch no problem, but had a very small amount of rub on the crown with zero air under full body weight. My plan is to add a bottom out bumper (not sure where to obtain) or push in a few mL of Fox Float Fluid.

    Any more insight? All's welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Thanks. (damn, that kind of hurts. I keep going back and forth on whether this is a good idea or just spending money fixing a problem I don't have. Grrrrr).
    I will say "go for it" as well. I converted my 26" T2 that I really really liked as well I but don't regret the spending the $$ one bit. This 27.5" T2 setup is just as fun as my 26" was but just seems to have a little something extra when it comes to climbs and getting thru extra chunky stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I've stuck a 650b wheel into this fork and it cleared the arch no problem, but had a very small amount of rub on the crown with zero air under full body weight. My plan is to add a bottom out bumper (not sure where to obtain) or push in a few mL of Fox Float Fluid.
    What 650b tire was on the wheel you stuck in your Fox 32? I played with different options and you can gain a fair amount of clearance just by choosing a slightly lower volume tire or one without the fattest knobs available. Not a huge difference, just enough to make it clear a little more comfortably.

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    Here's a Fox Float 32 with a 650b Pacenti NeoMoto - same rubber I'm running and very happy with. I was looking at Nobby Nic or HD but read the NeoMoto was a bit more clearance friendly. Since I last went tire shopping I have seen a whole new fleet of 650b options hit the market.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-650b/fox...ml#post4031709
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Here's a Fox Float 32 with a 650b Pacenti NeoMoto - same rubber I'm running and very happy with. I was looking at Nobby Nic or HD but read the NeoMoto was a bit more clearance friendly. Since I last went tire shopping I have seen a whole new fleet of 650b options hit the market.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-650b/fox...ml#post4031709
    I've decided to go for the 650b, and went for the new Mavic Crossmax Enduro.
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The clearance seems limited on a Float 160 RC2....
    I'll try to upload photos later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    I've decided to go for the 650b, and went for the new Mavic Crossmax Enduro.
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The clearance seems limited on a Float 160 RC2....
    I'll try to upload photos later.

    I did the 275 conversion a few months ago, at the time i had a 2014 float 36 running HD tires, i rode it for a few weeks with my 36, it "worked" but some of the places i ride are chunky rock, after hearing repeated rocks bashing under the arch of my 36 decided to sell it and picked up a 2014 27.5 34 talas ctd trail adjust kashima(damn that was long). Overall im glad i made the swap, i sold my used 36 and it covered the cost of my new 34, im sure if i wanted to run a smaller tire the 36 would have done fine but im just used to 2.35 hds. Ill have to post a pic up, any one else have a xl tracer 275 haha, im (6'4) out of all the bikes iv rode the tracer has been my favorite bike iv had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The Mavic Tyres are made by Hutchinson, not Michelin. I was slightly disappointed to hear this when I picked up my set as I'm a huge Michelin fan, but this diasppointment was cast away after riding these tyres. Although very heavy, they work beautifully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    Says "Invalid Attachment.." On my pad. How you liking it so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Says "Invalid Attachment.." On my pad. How you liking it so far?
    You're quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    Your quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
    Right on looks super fun. The pic works on my laptop but not the ipad for some reason. Looks great, hope you dig it.

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    Extra set of drop outs for the conversion

    If anyone needs the drop outs to do the conversion, i got an brand new extra set I can sell. Just shoot me a reasonable price. I'd prefer to sell locally (SO CAL) because I'm not familiar with the paypal/shipping etc. I was gonna put them on my T2, but then opted for the Intense Bling Kit and got the gold drop outs.

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    The main reason for going 650b for me, was my wheels needed replacement.
    Going for a good quality set means shelling out nearly 1/4-1/5 the cost of the bike.
    It would be a pitty not to be able to take these to the next bike, which the chances of being a 26" are not too high.

    Riding in the desert on some familiar singles, strewn with baby heads and small rocks, small and medium bumps compliance was much improved, which is quite diffrent from my previous expirience with the T275, but this could be the result of the much higher quality wheels.

    I was worreid about the T2 handling given it wasn't originally designed around the 650b, however I couldn't be any more wrong than that.
    If anything the bikes handling has somehwat improved in stability and on par with the agility of the 26" wheels.

    I used a Maxis Hardent 2.25 on the front, and did not felt reduced traction in comparison to the 2.35 Hans Dampf that usually resided there till now.

    With the desert's powdery soil there was heft traction, which is quite contrast to what I've read on magazines WRT to the Mavic's rear Roam tire - how it handles on "normal" terrain remains to be seen.

    Standover hight was another issue which kept me worried, being on the low side of the M size frame - however I didn't notice it, so it's a non issue I guess.

    BB and ground clearance has somewhat improved and I did not notice any ill behavior from the increased BB height.
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    PROJECT:  Tracer 2 converted to 650b-img_0717.jpgI just made the switch too. Had my hope Pro II's laced onto Stans Arch EX hoops and a new 34 Talas 160 up front. Only a few rides on it but so far so good. I loved my T2 but I think the T2(75) will be even better. I'm taking it on a trip next week & should have a more complete ride report

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
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    Looks great, I'm pretty sure you won't have any regrets after your trip. Have fun.

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    Thanks for all the information from everyone. Although I don't have a t2 (I've got a tracer vp and a carbine) they look promising to the true do it all bike.
    I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the 27.5 conversion. I bought a carbine 26" thinking it was close to the vp. Nope...so I eventually converted it to the 27.5 and I noticed an immediate improvement...obviously it changed the bike but compared to the 26 wheels it seems the larger wheels just don't get caught up in every nook and cranny on the climb. It was pretty amazing. I felt like I was climbing faster and not using as much body English to propel the bike. However on the dh it was very similar to the 26 but I felt they muted the trails a bit too much. Still very fun and flickable Thanks for all the posts and I almost want a t2 but my shocks won't convert over.

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    Ride Report:
    If you are thinking about upgrading to 275, you should do it! I loved my T2 26" but the 27.5 has made a great bike even better with no noticeable bad differences. It is all good. I have about 35-40 hrs on it and a bunch the past two weeks on my local trails so the comparison is real. It rolls over chatter so much easier, no hang ups at all. Rolls through big rock gardens both up & down without a care in the world. It even seems faster on the dh not to mention holding a line a bit more easily. I haven't noticed any difference on steep climbs or switchbacks and here in central VT, we have a lot of both. For the money it was a no brainer and feels like a new bike. Go For It if you can!

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    Right on Pure, glad to see there are others that are as stoked on their conversion as much as I am. I have taken it on on everything from mellow XC to light DH and some techy skills type riding on boulders/logs and it seems to handle everything really well

    Just packing up now for 4 days of trail riding up at the cabin - can't wait.

    Ride on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    You're quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
    Holy Land of Mountain bike. Israel it is off the wazzu .......Now I've to convince my wife and kids we need to go to Israel.

    Awesome trail really epic!And to think what may have walk these trail a few thousand years ago??? It blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Right on Pure, glad to see there are others that are as stoked on their conversion as much as I am. I have taken it on on everything from mellow XC to light DH and some techy skills type riding on boulders/logs and it seems to handle everything really well

    Just packing up now for 4 days of trail riding up at the cabin - can't wait.

    Ride on!
    Timbo what's Up? Have fun up in the cabin give M a shout one of these days and lets go ride. Peace !!!!
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    Just for reference - the new 650b WTB Vigilante 2.3 tires are TOO BIG and will not work with a T2 conversion. Ask me how I know.....

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    I have been using them all season and haven't had a problem. I think I like them better than trail kings! They are a real pain to mount on the Arch EX rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
    I have been using them all season and haven't had a problem. I think I like them better than trail kings! They are a real pain to mount on the Arch EX rim.
    I got them mounted up nicely on Flow EX's, but I can't even roll the back wheel because of rubbing on the lower rear arch. How can that be? Did you do anything different in your dropout conversion?

    I'm bummed because they look like great tires.

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    Mine fit fine. 2.35 Vigilantes, which I really like a lot. I'm on the original rear triangle with the Carbine 650b drop out. I'd post a pic but the MTBR uploader is a piece of crap and I don't have the time to resize.

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    That's pretty odd since it sounds like we have the same setup - glad they work for you though. Maybe different wheels or something?

    Oh well, Anyone want to buy a pair of heavily discounted Vigilantes ?

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    Hi, just want to share mi T2 conversion, hope U like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Acosta View Post
    Hi, just want to share mi T2 conversion, hope U like it.
    Right on, looks great. I hope you dig it as much as I do

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    I have a conversion dropouts and brake adaptor(s) set available for sale. Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout plus both the 160mm and 180mm brake adaptors. 142x12 through axle only. $150 shipped within North America. Hit me up with a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRALPH View Post
    I have a conversion dropouts and brake adaptor(s) set available for sale. Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout plus both the 160mm and 180mm brake adaptors. 142x12 through axle only. $150 shipped within North America. Hit me up with a PM.
    PM sent. Thanks

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    I replaced my fork with the new retro FOX Talas 36 on my T2 conversion. So much nicer now.

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    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experience with the conversion. I've read through all the posts because I too am considering the conversion. So, I have a few questions:

    - After all the ride time now, are there any regrets?
    - is the ride still that much better after converting?
    - I ride a SMALL, do you think that would make a difference? will it still work?
    - Does anyone else have a conversion kit willing to sell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrider View Post
    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experience with the conversion. I've read through all the posts because I too am considering the conversion. So, I have a few questions:

    - After all the ride time now, are there any regrets?
    - is the ride still that much better after converting?
    - I ride a SMALL, do you think that would make a difference? will it stiwork?
    - Does anyone else have a conversion kit willing to sell?
    I have the following that ill sell for $150 as a set:

    Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout, brake adaptor for 160 and an adaptor for 180mm rotor. You need to supply the thru axle..

    PM me if interested

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    Just picked up a 2012 tracer 2 for $1k in excellent condition fluro yellow, for some reason it has a morzocchi bomber front fork on it though (limited edition purple, he put it on because he thought it looked cool), so im buying a Fox Talas 36 2013 160mm-120mm fork 26" Tapered FIT / RLC w/ kashima coating for $350 to replace it with, and switching out the atomlab pimp brakes for shimano hydraulics then throwing on a ks dropper post, both of which i already have...saw this post and now im considering throwing on a set of 27.5s with the dropout kit...i just need a little persuasion...anyone still rockin this bike with 650bs?

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    I still have it, and it rocks with the 27.5, do the conversion, u wont regret it

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    Just do it. I don't have a 650b trail bike but my DH bike is: feels like it carries more speed.

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    Honestly dude, it took me a while to figure out that I liked my bike better as a 26er than a 275. I don't like the higher bb and am not crazy how it handles at higher speeds. Mind you, I threw on an actual 275 fork and that may have contributed to the height issue as well. If it make you feel better, I ended up throwing in an angle set and the bike does handle better at higher speeds now.

    I realized how i felt about the conversion when I demo'd a Carbon Tracer and it handled better at high speeds. I put both bikes side by side and noticed the longer wheel base and lower BB. I get it that they are different designs, but it was enough for me to ponder upon how wise it was to switch. If you do it, perhaps consider an angleset.

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    do it!

    Quote Originally Posted by worldkaoz View Post
    .i just need a little persuasion...anyone still rockin this bike with 650bs?
    I've had mine in 275 mode for 2+ seasons. I would say do it for sure. The geo is more slack & stable. Still climbs great, more fun on the sketch DH stuff too. I will trade it out for a carbon 275 when I have the coin to do so.

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    1 convert 1 dont convert...anyone else?

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    the guy who started the thread is a convert too.

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    Add me to the list recommending the conversion. I posted up earlier in the thread on my experience here as well (PROJECT: Tracer 2 converted to 650b - Page 2- Mtbr.com)

    I did back-to-back rides going from 26 to 27.5 on the same trail and it honestly did not feel dramatically different but after checking Strava I had a bunch of new PRs including some climbing on a trail that I ride pretty regularly.

    I also had a straight steerer on my Fox 36 so I switched to a zero stack headset to keep the BB height a little more in check so the height difference was really negligible.

    I only rode it this way for less than a year before selling the frame and moving the components over to a Santa Cruz Bronson and now a Solo. I'm definitely sold on the 27.5 wheel size but in the end I just wanted something lower and lighter.
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    I was a convert, using an old 2007 Talas 36 for 26" wheels even. Tire clearance was a little tight front and rear with 2.35" Hans Dampf tires. I'd get leaves and small debris caught in there in the fall. I ultimately broke the frame and moved to a Tracer275 with a Pike, which I love. If you can find the 275 conversion dropout kit still I'd say do it, just order a spare drive side conversion dropout just in case. Also - Intense had a special brake adaptor for running 180 rear rotors on it as well, sold separately. I'd recommend running the 180 rear if you can swing it.

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    Might as well run 203 rotors. Mine worked fine with them. I powder coated my Tracer 2 and updated the decals. Then left the bike with my family in British Columbia to be my Whistler Pig.

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    Still No Regrets

    OP here, heck yeah I love the T2 convert probably more now that I have had plenty of time to really test it on a wide variety of terrain and I still can't find any reason that would make me ever go back to 26. Maybe those that don't like the 1/2" BB height difference are riding a type of terrain that I haven't encountered yet, but I can say from personal experience I have put this thing to test on everything from a paved bike path to a DH day at Snow Summit bike park hitting the same aggressive terrain as I do with the M9 (just not as fast) and it has yet to let me down or make me wish it was a 26 again.

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    Thank you all for the responses, ive been having a blast on the T2 riding sections of the colorado trails and others here in summit county, i cant find anything on it i want to change it goes uphill great and is a blast on the more aggressive downhill and technical rides, never even changed the Marzocchi bomber rc3 ti fork, it is super plush as its coil with air assist and weighs 4 lbs, with the atomlab suprelite wheels and hubs its not too heavy to climb, probably because its set up as a 3x10, going to ride it this way for the season and see what happens next summer, thanks for all the info and pics everyone, happy riding

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