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    Quote Originally Posted by jimi_v View Post
    trojans1993 i noticed that in our before and after photos that you changed the travel to 5.75. is there a reason for this? i'm thinking about doing the conversion on mine and was just curious if there is a need for it.
    No particular reason for it I was just experimenting. I actually like longer travel for almost all riding because it seems climb much more efficient in the 6.25 mode than it did before. I only go 5.75 if its a pure XC ride.

    Went for a killer evening ride up here near Big Bear and I'm digging this setup more every ride.

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    My take on the T275

    Just sampled the T275 demo bike.
    It had a simmilar spec to my T2 back home: XT drivertain and brakes, Fox Float 34 (vs. Float 36 RC2) 740mm carbon handlebar (vs. my 750 alloy), 275 Diablo hops (vs. my DT swiss)
    and Kenda tires (vs. Hans Dampf) both at 2.35.
    65mm stem vs. my 70mm.

    With the disclaimer that I've only tested it for ~16 mile of singles on Wunderlich county park (started from Skyline Blvd) which I've never ridden before:
    It rolled over a bit better but the front felt a tidy bit heavier, the traction was on par which might be down to the tires but than the rolling resistance would probably increase.
    I have to say I wasn't too impressed by the transition to 27.5.


    It was OK and all, but the diffrences were hard to pick up.
    I haven't ridden a bike simmilar to Trojan's but my 275 exprience is that it's minute evolution rather than revolution and to get into the 275 exprience might be to evolve like
    Trojan did rather than build a new bike from scratch.

    Again I haven't ridden them back to back on the same playground but for now I cannot spread the gospel just yet.

    -J.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    No particular reason for it I was just experimenting. I actually like longer travel for almost all riding because it seems climb much more efficient in the 6.25 mode than it did before. I only go 5.75 if its a pure XC ride.

    Went for a killer evening ride up here near Big Bear and I'm digging this setup more every ride.
    thanks for the response. that helps. im waiting on tires and then it will be complete.

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    Hi
    Any tyre clearance issues with the frame seat tube or the brace in he swing arm ? with the 275 dropouts, cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffus View Post
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    Any tyre clearance issues with the frame seat tube or the brace in he swing arm ? with the 275 dropouts, cheers
    No issues at all with front or rear clearance. I'm running Flow EX with Pancenti Neo Moto and have about 10mm clearance all around. I'm pretty sure I would have felt any rubbing issues by now if there were any.

    Hope it helps.

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    Thanks for the reply, I'm going to give it a go my fork is a Float 36 tried a 650b Flow Ex wheel with a 2.25 Maxxis Ardent, let all the air out and compressed the fork fully had 10mm+ of space so OK there , just need to order some drop outs, Thanks again :-)

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    Hi guys,
    I ride a Tracer 2 XL and I'm thinking of converting to 27.5. I love my tracer 2, however, I'm thinking 27.5 might be fun. Any advice?
    Will my 36 Talas work with 27.5 wheels?
    How's the ride quality?
    Are you glad you converted?
    Will you stay with 27.5?
    Thanks,
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    Jamie, read the very first post in this thread, I think most your questions are covered. No clearance issues with Fox 36. Yes, I am very pleased with it and definitely sticking with it.

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    How much did it raise the bottom bracket, roughly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    How much did it raise the bottom bracket, roughly?
    I didn't do a pre-conversion BB measurement but it sits about 14" now. Not a noticeable difference IMO - I hate bikes that feel top-heavy and the T2 conversion certainly does not feel out of balance in the slightest.

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    Hey - I notice you are running Hope brakes on your converted T2. Are you running 160mm rear rotor or did you manage to rig a different caliper mount to run larger rotors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRALPH View Post
    Hey - I notice you are running Hope brakes on your converted T2. Are you running 160mm rear rotor or did you manage to rig a different caliper mount to run larger rotors?
    I couldn't find a 180mm rotor adaptor so went with a 203F/160R combo and it's freaking awesome. I was pretty dedicated to XTR brakes, but once I tried the Hope M4's I had to switch and have no regrets.

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    Cool. I'm running Hope Tech EVO V4's but had been running 183 floating rotors in 26" mode. I really wanted to keep that setup but had to order a 160mm in the back. Wish Intense would do a brake adaptor for 27.5 180mm rear rotors.

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    Hi trojans,

    I just want one thing clarified: are you using your original fork or did you need to buy a new one for the 27.5" wheels? From your posts about clearance issues, I would assume you're using the same fork, but other articles that I have read about the conversion make it sound like a new fork is necessary. I currently have a 160mm Float 36 that I would prefer not to replace!

    Oh, and thanks for your posts and time! This is a big deal for a lot of us. Hell, the best tires may not even be available in 26" soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkolinski View Post
    I just want one thing clarified: are you using your original fork or did you need to buy a new one for the 27.5" wheels?
    Yes, you are correct, I was able to use the same Fox Talas 36 I had prior to the conversion without any issues so I'm pretty sure your Float 36 will have the same amount of clearance.

    If I had to buy a new fork for the conversion I probably would have held off doing it for a while, but I have put plenty of miles over some fairly rough terrain with this Fox 36 setup and I wouldn't change a thing - no regrets at all converting to 275.

    Glad to help and if you ever need more info don't hesitate to ask..

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Yes, you are correct, I was able to use the same Fox Talas 36 I had prior to the conversion without any issues so I'm pretty sure your Float 36 will have the same amount of clearance.

    If I had to buy a new fork for the conversion I probably would have held off doing it for a while, but I have put plenty of miles over some fairly rough terrain with this Fox 36 setup and I wouldn't change a thing - no regrets at all converting to 275.

    Glad to help and if you ever need more info don't hesitate to ask..
    Well, that is good news! To be sure, I will see if I can find someone I know with 27.5" wheels with beefy tires and see how well they fit. I will deflate my fork to check crown clearance, too.

    Then comes the most difficult part: coming up with the $$ for a new wheelset!

    Thanks for your reply!

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    Thought I would share my experience with this conversion here too. I've only had my Tracer 2 for 3 or 4 months now and just converted it to 27.5 a couple weeks ago. I picked the frame up used at a great deal and parted out my Intense Slopestyle I to fund this project. I should mention that I didn't really get the T2 with the intention of converting it to 27.5. I originally wanted a bike that handled similar to my Slopestyle but needed a better climbing bike for those bigger rides.

    Original setup was a Fox 36 Vanilla RC coil fork up front and a Pushed Fox Float RP23 out back. 1x10 hybrid drivetrain with a 30T RaceFace Narrow/Wide front ring and a 11-42 rear 10 speed cassette courtesy of a SRAM PG-1070 with a 42T cog and a Shimano XT Shadow+ rear D. Original wheels were also Easton Havens with 2.4 Schwalbe Rocket Rons.

    After a couple months or riding I was definitely loving the bike. It was a fun and fairly light setup at 30 lbs. However, at 200+ lbs fully loaded I needed stiffer wheels and more durable tires for my riding. Since I was planning to get a nice wheelset built up anyways I just let curiosity get the best of me and decided to just jump into the 27.5 conversion.

    27.5 Conversion:
    - Chris King hubs laced up to Derby 650B x 40mm carbon rims w/Schwalbe Nobby Nics 27.5x2.35 tires
    - Intense 27.5 dropouts and brake adapter from JensonUSA (best price at the time at ~$150)
    - Cane Creek Double XC zero-stack headset to try and keep the front end height in check (also considering lowering the fork to 150mm)

    New wheelset weight came in at 1740g which is just under the 1750g for my Easten Haven 26" wheels that these replaced. Since I switched from 26x2.4 Rocket Rons to 27.5x2.35 Nobby Nics I also added over half a pound at the tires but a much more appropriate choice of tires anyways.

    Ride-wise, the bike still rocks but I can't really say there is any noticeable difference from riding with 26" wheels and I mostly mean that in a positive way. Cornering through tight switchbacks there does not feel to be any loss in agility. Climbing and descending mostly felt unchanged. I was also worried about raising BB-height but it isn't really noticeable there either. All that said, I got 18 Strava PRs last weekend on a trail that I ride pretty regularly! Mostly on the downhill stuff but also on one of the longer climbs. Must be something to this 27.5 stuff but it certainly isn't revolutionary.

    Here's the pics...

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    Nice job Mondo. Glad to see a Nobby Nic will fit although clearance looks like it's about as tight as I would want to go with it. Give it a little time and you will become fond of the subtle changes. I find the biggest difference is being able to clean some of the more technical climbs with roots, rocks, etc. that I use to get hung up or run out of gas on with my 26" but the 275 seems to have just a bit extra to get over the hump. After switching rides with my buds (almost) identical 26" Tracer I really noticed how more natural the 275 felt for trail riding. Looks great.

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    Looks pretty sweet guys! Whenever l get some money this is my next project. its good to know that 36 Float will work just fine.

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    I'm gonna bump this up since I'm toying with buying a T2 frame that's selling locally.
    Any more feedback on how people are liking the conversion?
    I'm a little surprised Intense is selling the kit for $250 bucks! + $15 shipping?
    Seems a little steep, but looks like it can be done for closer to $200 from third party.

    Anyway, my two biggest apprehensions are:
    1. Weight. I'm going from a 28lb 2009 Stumpjumper FSR Comp. Everything I hear about the Tracer is, "great bike but really heavy". I know I need a burlier bike, but adding 4-5 lbs could prove to be soul crushing.
    2. Fork. I'll be swapping all the parts over from my Stumpy. Fox Float 32 150mm. I know the travel will be alright, even though a lot of folks go for the 160mm. However it'll make the HT a little steeper. Also, mine's got a 1 1/8" straight steer which seems whacky sticking it into a 1.5" straight HT. All in all making me feel like it would work, but isn't appropriate. But, I don't have the budget to do this if I need to buy a new fork.

    So please, feel free to weigh in.
    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I'm gonna bump this up since I'm toying with buying a T2 frame that's selling locally.
    Any more feedback on how people are liking the conversion?
    I'm a little surprised Intense is selling the kit for $250 bucks! + $15 shipping?
    Seems a little steep, but looks like it can be done for closer to $200 from third party.

    Anyway, my two biggest apprehensions are:
    1. Weight. I'm going from a 28lb 2009 Stumpjumper FSR Comp. Everything I hear about the Tracer is, "great bike but really heavy". I know I need a burlier bike, but adding 4-5 lbs could prove to be soul crushing.
    2. Fork. I'll be swapping all the parts over from my Stumpy. Fox Float 32 150mm. I know the travel will be alright, even though a lot of folks go for the 160mm. However it'll make the HT a little steeper. Also, mine's got a 1 1/8" straight steer which seems whacky sticking it into a 1.5" straight HT. All in all making me feel like it would work, but isn't appropriate. But, I don't have the budget to do this if I need to buy a new fork.

    So please, feel free to weigh in.
    Thanks.
    Go for it! Still my favorite bike in the stable and only planning a couple minor tweaks to my current setup. This bike rocks and is almost as much fun as the Intense Slopestyle it replaced but allows me to climb back up to the top after my descents.

    Got my 27.5 dropouts from Jenson USA for $62/side (Intense G1 27.5" Drop Out > Components > Frames > Mountain Bike Frames | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop). You will have to go through Intense to get the 180mm brake adapter which I thoroughly recommend. I was originally running the 160mm rear brake adapter but with the bigger wheels and 200lbs of geared-up weight I was overloading the brakes.

    Don't worry too much about the weight. You should be able to build yours up around 30 lbs without breaking the bank or sacrificing durability. Mine is just under 31 lbs with a Fox Vanilla 36 coil fork, 2.35 tires and a dropper post.

    As far as the fork, you can also consider running a Works Components headset to counter the steeper head angle (1 0 Degree ZS49 - ZS49 - Traditional 1 5 Reducer Headset). They have options to allow you to slack out the headset from 1-2 degrees. I'm running their headset on an On One 456 carbon AM hardtail with good results. Longer term I would definitely recommend a beefier fork but I think you will still have fun with what you're already planning.
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    I believe you'll need a Fox 36 or a dedicated 650b fork. The 27.5" wheel won't fit in a Fox 32. I have a T2 built pretty burly at 31lbs with a dropper post. I love the bike!! Also I have a 1 1/8 straight steer tube going though the 1.5, no big deal, looks fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides View Post
    Go for it! Still my favorite bike in the stable and only planning a couple minor tweaks to my current setup. This bike rocks and is almost as much fun as the Intense Slopestyle it replaced but allows me to climb back up to the top after my descents.
    Thanks. (damn, that kind of hurts. I keep going back and forth on whether this is a good idea or just spending money fixing a problem I don't have. Grrrrr)

    Got my 27.5 dropouts from Jenson USA for $62/side (Intense G1 27.5" Drop Out > Components > Frames > Mountain Bike Frames | Jenson USA Online Bike Shop). You will have to go through Intense to get the 180mm brake adapter which I thoroughly recommend. I was originally running the 160mm rear brake adapter but with the bigger wheels and 200lbs of geared-up weight I was overloading the brakes.
    Double thanks. I'll stick with the regular adapters (assuming I buy the bike) which are also cheap at Jenson. I'm a lighter and have always run 160 in the back with good results.

    Don't worry too much about the weight. You should be able to build yours up around 30 lbs without breaking the bank or sacrificing durability. Mine is just under 31 lbs with a Fox Vanilla 36 coil fork, 2.35 tires and a dropper post.
    That reminds me; I promised myself I would only buy bikes with a 30.9 seat tube from now on. God I hate needing a different post every time I change bikes. Sounds petty, but needing to buy a new dropper to make this work could be a deal breaker.

    Longer term I would definitely recommend a beefier fork but I think you will still have fun with what you're already planning.
    Again, helpful. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by azmxr177 View Post
    I believe you'll need a Fox 36 or a dedicated 650b fork. The 27.5" wheel won't fit in a Fox 32. I have a T2 built pretty burly at 31lbs with a dropper post. I love the bike!! Also I have a 1 1/8 straight steer tube going though the 1.5, no big deal, looks fine.
    I've stuck a 650b wheel into this fork and it cleared the arch no problem, but had a very small amount of rub on the crown with zero air under full body weight. My plan is to add a bottom out bumper (not sure where to obtain) or push in a few mL of Fox Float Fluid.

    Any more insight? All's welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    Thanks. (damn, that kind of hurts. I keep going back and forth on whether this is a good idea or just spending money fixing a problem I don't have. Grrrrr).
    I will say "go for it" as well. I converted my 26" T2 that I really really liked as well I but don't regret the spending the $$ one bit. This 27.5" T2 setup is just as fun as my 26" was but just seems to have a little something extra when it comes to climbs and getting thru extra chunky stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by jm2e View Post
    I've stuck a 650b wheel into this fork and it cleared the arch no problem, but had a very small amount of rub on the crown with zero air under full body weight. My plan is to add a bottom out bumper (not sure where to obtain) or push in a few mL of Fox Float Fluid.
    What 650b tire was on the wheel you stuck in your Fox 32? I played with different options and you can gain a fair amount of clearance just by choosing a slightly lower volume tire or one without the fattest knobs available. Not a huge difference, just enough to make it clear a little more comfortably.

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    Here's a Fox Float 32 with a 650b Pacenti NeoMoto - same rubber I'm running and very happy with. I was looking at Nobby Nic or HD but read the NeoMoto was a bit more clearance friendly. Since I last went tire shopping I have seen a whole new fleet of 650b options hit the market.

    Fox 32 Float RLC - 650B?
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