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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Here's a Fox Float 32 with a 650b Pacenti NeoMoto - same rubber I'm running and very happy with. I was looking at Nobby Nic or HD but read the NeoMoto was a bit more clearance friendly. Since I last went tire shopping I have seen a whole new fleet of 650b options hit the market.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/27-5-650b/fox...ml#post4031709
    I've decided to go for the 650b, and went for the new Mavic Crossmax Enduro.
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The clearance seems limited on a Float 160 RC2....
    I'll try to upload photos later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    I've decided to go for the 650b, and went for the new Mavic Crossmax Enduro.
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The clearance seems limited on a Float 160 RC2....
    I'll try to upload photos later.

    I did the 275 conversion a few months ago, at the time i had a 2014 float 36 running HD tires, i rode it for a few weeks with my 36, it "worked" but some of the places i ride are chunky rock, after hearing repeated rocks bashing under the arch of my 36 decided to sell it and picked up a 2014 27.5 34 talas ctd trail adjust kashima(damn that was long). Overall im glad i made the swap, i sold my used 36 and it covered the cost of my new 34, im sure if i wanted to run a smaller tire the 36 would have done fine but im just used to 2.35 hds. Ill have to post a pic up, any one else have a xl tracer 275 haha, im (6'4) out of all the bikes iv rode the tracer has been my favorite bike iv had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    It comes with Mavic's own set of tires (AKA Michelin).

    The front is 2.4 (Charge) the rear is 2.2 (Roam).
    The Mavic Tyres are made by Hutchinson, not Michelin. I was slightly disappointed to hear this when I picked up my set as I'm a huge Michelin fan, but this diasppointment was cast away after riding these tyres. Although very heavy, they work beautifully!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    Says "Invalid Attachment.." On my pad. How you liking it so far?

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Says "Invalid Attachment.." On my pad. How you liking it so far?
    You're quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    Your quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
    Right on looks super fun. The pic works on my laptop but not the ipad for some reason. Looks great, hope you dig it.

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    Extra set of drop outs for the conversion

    If anyone needs the drop outs to do the conversion, i got an brand new extra set I can sell. Just shoot me a reasonable price. I'd prefer to sell locally (SO CAL) because I'm not familiar with the paypal/shipping etc. I was gonna put them on my T2, but then opted for the Intense Bling Kit and got the gold drop outs.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    The main reason for going 650b for me, was my wheels needed replacement.
    Going for a good quality set means shelling out nearly 1/4-1/5 the cost of the bike.
    It would be a pitty not to be able to take these to the next bike, which the chances of being a 26" are not too high.

    Riding in the desert on some familiar singles, strewn with baby heads and small rocks, small and medium bumps compliance was much improved, which is quite diffrent from my previous expirience with the T275, but this could be the result of the much higher quality wheels.

    I was worreid about the T2 handling given it wasn't originally designed around the 650b, however I couldn't be any more wrong than that.
    If anything the bikes handling has somehwat improved in stability and on par with the agility of the 26" wheels.

    I used a Maxis Hardent 2.25 on the front, and did not felt reduced traction in comparison to the 2.35 Hans Dampf that usually resided there till now.

    With the desert's powdery soil there was heft traction, which is quite contrast to what I've read on magazines WRT to the Mavic's rear Roam tire - how it handles on "normal" terrain remains to be seen.

    Standover hight was another issue which kept me worried, being on the low side of the M size frame - however I didn't notice it, so it's a non issue I guess.

    BB and ground clearance has somewhat improved and I did not notice any ill behavior from the increased BB height.
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    PROJECT:  Tracer 2 converted to 650b-img_0717.jpgI just made the switch too. Had my hope Pro II's laced onto Stans Arch EX hoops and a new 34 Talas 160 up front. Only a few rides on it but so far so good. I loved my T2 but I think the T2(75) will be even better. I'm taking it on a trip next week & should have a more complete ride report

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
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ID:	888790I just made the switch too. Had my hope Pro II's laced onto Stans Arch EX hoops and a new 34 Talas 160 up front. Only a few rides on it but so far so good. I loved my T2 but I think the T2(75) will be even better. I'm taking it on a trip next week & should have a more complete ride report
    Looks great, I'm pretty sure you won't have any regrets after your trip. Have fun.

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    Thanks for all the information from everyone. Although I don't have a t2 (I've got a tracer vp and a carbine) they look promising to the true do it all bike.
    I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the 27.5 conversion. I bought a carbine 26" thinking it was close to the vp. Nope...so I eventually converted it to the 27.5 and I noticed an immediate improvement...obviously it changed the bike but compared to the 26 wheels it seems the larger wheels just don't get caught up in every nook and cranny on the climb. It was pretty amazing. I felt like I was climbing faster and not using as much body English to propel the bike. However on the dh it was very similar to the 26 but I felt they muted the trails a bit too much. Still very fun and flickable Thanks for all the posts and I almost want a t2 but my shocks won't convert over.

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    Ride Report:
    If you are thinking about upgrading to 275, you should do it! I loved my T2 26" but the 27.5 has made a great bike even better with no noticeable bad differences. It is all good. I have about 35-40 hrs on it and a bunch the past two weeks on my local trails so the comparison is real. It rolls over chatter so much easier, no hang ups at all. Rolls through big rock gardens both up & down without a care in the world. It even seems faster on the dh not to mention holding a line a bit more easily. I haven't noticed any difference on steep climbs or switchbacks and here in central VT, we have a lot of both. For the money it was a no brainer and feels like a new bike. Go For It if you can!

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    Right on Pure, glad to see there are others that are as stoked on their conversion as much as I am. I have taken it on on everything from mellow XC to light DH and some techy skills type riding on boulders/logs and it seems to handle everything really well

    Just packing up now for 4 days of trail riding up at the cabin - can't wait.

    Ride on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan972 View Post
    You're quick... I'm still struggling with the picture attachment interface.
    Its heavy raining here for now and expected to be that way for the next 24hr,
    But.....
    Going for desert riding in 1/2 hr ...
    It's a 45min drive to here:
    Desert Singletrack: Israel Part 1 - Pinkbike
    Holy Land of Mountain bike. Israel it is off the wazzu .......Now I've to convince my wife and kids we need to go to Israel.

    Awesome trail really epic!And to think what may have walk these trail a few thousand years ago??? It blows my mind.

    Keep the rubber Upside Down brotha
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojans1993 View Post
    Right on Pure, glad to see there are others that are as stoked on their conversion as much as I am. I have taken it on on everything from mellow XC to light DH and some techy skills type riding on boulders/logs and it seems to handle everything really well

    Just packing up now for 4 days of trail riding up at the cabin - can't wait.

    Ride on!
    Timbo what's Up? Have fun up in the cabin give M a shout one of these days and lets go ride. Peace !!!!
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    Just for reference - the new 650b WTB Vigilante 2.3 tires are TOO BIG and will not work with a T2 conversion. Ask me how I know.....

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    I have been using them all season and haven't had a problem. I think I like them better than trail kings! They are a real pain to mount on the Arch EX rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
    I have been using them all season and haven't had a problem. I think I like them better than trail kings! They are a real pain to mount on the Arch EX rim.
    I got them mounted up nicely on Flow EX's, but I can't even roll the back wheel because of rubbing on the lower rear arch. How can that be? Did you do anything different in your dropout conversion?

    I'm bummed because they look like great tires.

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    Mine fit fine. 2.35 Vigilantes, which I really like a lot. I'm on the original rear triangle with the Carbine 650b drop out. I'd post a pic but the MTBR uploader is a piece of crap and I don't have the time to resize.

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    That's pretty odd since it sounds like we have the same setup - glad they work for you though. Maybe different wheels or something?

    Oh well, Anyone want to buy a pair of heavily discounted Vigilantes ?

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    PROJECT: Tracer 2 converted to 650b

    Hi, just want to share mi T2 conversion, hope U like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Acosta View Post
    Hi, just want to share mi T2 conversion, hope U like it.
    Right on, looks great. I hope you dig it as much as I do

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    I have a conversion dropouts and brake adaptor(s) set available for sale. Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout plus both the 160mm and 180mm brake adaptors. 142x12 through axle only. $150 shipped within North America. Hit me up with a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRALPH View Post
    I have a conversion dropouts and brake adaptor(s) set available for sale. Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout plus both the 160mm and 180mm brake adaptors. 142x12 through axle only. $150 shipped within North America. Hit me up with a PM.
    PM sent. Thanks

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    I replaced my fork with the new retro FOX Talas 36 on my T2 conversion. So much nicer now.

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    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experience with the conversion. I've read through all the posts because I too am considering the conversion. So, I have a few questions:

    - After all the ride time now, are there any regrets?
    - is the ride still that much better after converting?
    - I ride a SMALL, do you think that would make a difference? will it still work?
    - Does anyone else have a conversion kit willing to sell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrider View Post
    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experience with the conversion. I've read through all the posts because I too am considering the conversion. So, I have a few questions:

    - After all the ride time now, are there any regrets?
    - is the ride still that much better after converting?
    - I ride a SMALL, do you think that would make a difference? will it stiwork?
    - Does anyone else have a conversion kit willing to sell?
    I have the following that ill sell for $150 as a set:

    Two drive side dropouts, one non drive side dropout, brake adaptor for 160 and an adaptor for 180mm rotor. You need to supply the thru axle..

    PM me if interested

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    Just picked up a 2012 tracer 2 for $1k in excellent condition fluro yellow, for some reason it has a morzocchi bomber front fork on it though (limited edition purple, he put it on because he thought it looked cool), so im buying a Fox Talas 36 2013 160mm-120mm fork 26" Tapered FIT / RLC w/ kashima coating for $350 to replace it with, and switching out the atomlab pimp brakes for shimano hydraulics then throwing on a ks dropper post, both of which i already have...saw this post and now im considering throwing on a set of 27.5s with the dropout kit...i just need a little persuasion...anyone still rockin this bike with 650bs?

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    I still have it, and it rocks with the 27.5, do the conversion, u wont regret it

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    Just do it. I don't have a 650b trail bike but my DH bike is: feels like it carries more speed.

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    Honestly dude, it took me a while to figure out that I liked my bike better as a 26er than a 275. I don't like the higher bb and am not crazy how it handles at higher speeds. Mind you, I threw on an actual 275 fork and that may have contributed to the height issue as well. If it make you feel better, I ended up throwing in an angle set and the bike does handle better at higher speeds now.

    I realized how i felt about the conversion when I demo'd a Carbon Tracer and it handled better at high speeds. I put both bikes side by side and noticed the longer wheel base and lower BB. I get it that they are different designs, but it was enough for me to ponder upon how wise it was to switch. If you do it, perhaps consider an angleset.

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    do it!

    Quote Originally Posted by worldkaoz View Post
    .i just need a little persuasion...anyone still rockin this bike with 650bs?
    I've had mine in 275 mode for 2+ seasons. I would say do it for sure. The geo is more slack & stable. Still climbs great, more fun on the sketch DH stuff too. I will trade it out for a carbon 275 when I have the coin to do so.

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    1 convert 1 dont convert...anyone else?

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    the guy who started the thread is a convert too.

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    Add me to the list recommending the conversion. I posted up earlier in the thread on my experience here as well (PROJECT: Tracer 2 converted to 650b - Page 2- Mtbr.com)

    I did back-to-back rides going from 26 to 27.5 on the same trail and it honestly did not feel dramatically different but after checking Strava I had a bunch of new PRs including some climbing on a trail that I ride pretty regularly.

    I also had a straight steerer on my Fox 36 so I switched to a zero stack headset to keep the BB height a little more in check so the height difference was really negligible.

    I only rode it this way for less than a year before selling the frame and moving the components over to a Santa Cruz Bronson and now a Solo. I'm definitely sold on the 27.5 wheel size but in the end I just wanted something lower and lighter.
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    I was a convert, using an old 2007 Talas 36 for 26" wheels even. Tire clearance was a little tight front and rear with 2.35" Hans Dampf tires. I'd get leaves and small debris caught in there in the fall. I ultimately broke the frame and moved to a Tracer275 with a Pike, which I love. If you can find the 275 conversion dropout kit still I'd say do it, just order a spare drive side conversion dropout just in case. Also - Intense had a special brake adaptor for running 180 rear rotors on it as well, sold separately. I'd recommend running the 180 rear if you can swing it.

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    Might as well run 203 rotors. Mine worked fine with them. I powder coated my Tracer 2 and updated the decals. Then left the bike with my family in British Columbia to be my Whistler Pig.

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    Still No Regrets

    OP here, heck yeah I love the T2 convert probably more now that I have had plenty of time to really test it on a wide variety of terrain and I still can't find any reason that would make me ever go back to 26. Maybe those that don't like the 1/2" BB height difference are riding a type of terrain that I haven't encountered yet, but I can say from personal experience I have put this thing to test on everything from a paved bike path to a DH day at Snow Summit bike park hitting the same aggressive terrain as I do with the M9 (just not as fast) and it has yet to let me down or make me wish it was a 26 again.

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    Thank you all for the responses, ive been having a blast on the T2 riding sections of the colorado trails and others here in summit county, i cant find anything on it i want to change it goes uphill great and is a blast on the more aggressive downhill and technical rides, never even changed the Marzocchi bomber rc3 ti fork, it is super plush as its coil with air assist and weighs 4 lbs, with the atomlab suprelite wheels and hubs its not too heavy to climb, probably because its set up as a 3x10, going to ride it this way for the season and see what happens next summer, thanks for all the info and pics everyone, happy riding

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