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    What is driving me nuts - is that no one is explaining why Intense has a Tracer 275 and a Carbine 275 that basically the same bike. If I wanted a 6 inch Trail/Enduro bike in Carbon with 275 I would go with the Carbine if I wanted Aluminum I would go with the Tracer. So what is the difference between the Carbine and Tracer C?
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    Quote Originally Posted by orastreet View Post
    What is driving me nuts - is that no one is explaining why Intense has a Tracer 275 and a Carbine 275 that basically the same bike. If I wanted a 6 inch Trail/Enduro bike in Carbon with 275 I would go with the Carbine if I wanted Aluminum I would go with the Tracer. So what is the difference between the Carbine and Tracer C?
    Slight geometry tweaks and a lot of hype. I would expect the Carbine to disappear from the lineup soon.

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    And internal cable routing. You get more media hype with a new model than you would with just some frame updates.....looks a little beefier too. Has that new buzzword "Enduro" attached to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orastreet View Post
    What is driving me nuts - is that no one is explaining why Intense has a Tracer 275 and a Carbine 275 that basically the same bike. If I wanted a 6 inch Trail/Enduro bike in Carbon with 275 I would go with the Carbine if I wanted Aluminum I would go with the Tracer. So what is the difference between the Carbine and Tracer C?
    Seems like pretty minor changes. Sliiiiightly different geo, internal cable routing. No more dropouts for 275.

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    "Enduro"
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    New colors too, don't forget that.

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    I'm just hoping that these geometry tweaks and the niceties like internal cable routing make their way to the Aluminum Tracer. I guess it's a little different because they're still selling through back-stock of the current Tracer 275, but can Sam or anyone comment on when we might see the updates to the aluminum Tracer?
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    What disturbs me is frame only prices pushing well past $3K and completes for more than $10K... I will wait a while till the hype dies down and pick up a frame cheap. I got my Carbine brand new for half that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    Slight geometry tweaks and a lot of hype. I would expect the Carbine to disappear from the lineup soon.
    I would agree on your speculation that the Carbine 275 might be getting dropped from the line, but with how much praise the Carbine 29 has gotten, I would guess the Carbine 29 is gonna be around for a few years.

    The Carbine 275 seems to be focused on 'foundation builds' this year with lower level components to have bikes at a lower price point. The Tracer T275 seemingly is only out in pro level (XX1, XTR, XO1) builds at the moment.

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    The Carbine is a 26" bike (converted), and the T275 is, well a dedicated 275 design. Subtle, but significant in performance terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    The Carbine is a 26" bike (converted), and the T275 is, well a dedicated 275 design. Subtle, but significant in performance terms.
    interesting...Im curious to understand more about the subtle improvements...can you elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    Apparently the "reviewer" [advertorial writer] wasn't paying attention.

    - The travel is adjustable to 145 mm, not 140 mm.
    - This bike does not have G1 dropouts.
    - The bottom bracket was not raised to 13.5". Heck, if that's actually correct, the bottom bracket was lowered to 13.5".
    - The explanation of the brake forces applied to the rear mount is made-up BS.
    - Yes, Intense refers to this bike as the Tracer T275, not Tracer 275C as the 'author' described.

    If you want a more accurate and meaningful review, check this out: 2014 Intense Tracer T275 Carbon Pro ? Reviews, Comparisons, Specs ? Mountain Bikes - Vital MTB
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    There seems to be a bunch of numbers on the site that are possibly wrong. Stand over 31.40 for a Med? 45.25 for a Wheel base ,thats LONG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    45.25 for a Wheel base ,thats LONG.
    Sounds right to me.

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    For a med?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    For a med?
    Yeah, my medium Yeti SB66 which is in the same category (albeit with 26" wheels) has a 45.4" wheelbase. Anytime you mix a reasonably slack headangle and a front center long enough to work properly with a short stem, the end result is going to be a longish wheelbase. The key IMHO is keeping the chainstays reasonably short (as Intense does) so the bike still turns well.

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    The new Tracer 275 looks stunning. I like the way it keeps the shape of the aluminum frames top tube. Looks to be more burly than a Carbine 275, put the posted weight says not. My medium Carbine frame weighted 5.7 lbs, just hope my 6 month old Carbine doesn't become a bike of the past.

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    Agree on the shape. Losing the alu. dropouts and hardware probably shaved some weight compared to the Carbine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesrider View Post
    The new Tracer 275 looks stunning. I like the way it keeps the shape of the aluminum frames top tube. Looks to be more burly than a Carbine 275, put the posted weight says not. My medium Carbine frame weighted 5.7 lbs, just hope my 6 month old Carbine doesn't become a bike of the past.
    It just may... gotta love planned obsolescence in the bike industry. The companies love dangling new carrots in front of us to keep their pockets padded and ours empty... I still love my Carbine 275 and while the T275 looks to be well executed its not enough of a change to warrant a purchase at least for me.

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    Med. Wheelbases

    Tracer 45.25
    Carbine 44.2
    Bronson 44.9
    Mach 6 44.85

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Med. Wheelbases

    Tracer 45.25 - Steeper head angle, shorter reach
    Carbine 44.2 - Steeper head angle, shorter reach
    Bronson 44.9 - Steeper head angle, shorter reach, longer chainstays
    Mach 6 44.85 - Shorter chainstays, shorter reach (almost 1/2" shorter)
    The point is all the numbers add up and things like a 1/2 degree head angle change (coupled with the length of a 160mm fork) does have a meaningful effect on wheelbase. Also worth mentioning that the T275 has more travel than all of the other bikes you listed.

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    Cool...so it's normal...

    How about a 31.25 stand over?

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    Anyone else noticed the geometry chart in the intense site is slightly different to the ones on pinkbike/nsmb etc? Mainly slightly longer reach and wheelbase measurements, as well as an extra large size! Anyone know which geo chart is correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orastreet View Post
    What is driving me nuts - is that no one is explaining why Intense has a Tracer 275 and a Carbine 275 that basically the same bike. If I wanted a 6 inch Trail/Enduro bike in Carbon with 275 I would go with the Carbine if I wanted Aluminum I would go with the Tracer. So what is the difference between the Carbine and Tracer C?
    My guess is that they are gonna close out the Carbine that has some issues and made the new Tracer 27.5 that has the necessary corrections.

    For example, I just got my Carbine 27.5. 3 rides on it and I already have tire clearance issues. Running a 2.3 Maxxis Minnion DHR tire which should be a standard tire for this rig and it is rubbing when I bottom out. So, I took the air out of the shock and compressed the suspension and the tire touches the seat tube. Now, I have to run it at 5.5" (low travel 140mm) which makes the ride unbalanced with a 160mm fork or get a small tire with less tread. Not good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aliikane View Post
    My guess is that they are gonna close out the Carbine that has some issues and made the new Tracer 27.5 that has the necessary corrections.

    For example, I just got my Carbine 27.5. 3 rides on it and I already have tire clearance issues. Running a 2.3 Maxxis Minnion DHR tire which should be a standard tire for this rig and it is rubbing when I bottom out. So, I took the air out of the shock and compressed the suspension and the tire touches the seat tube. Now, I have to run it at 5.5" (low travel 140mm) which makes the ride unbalanced with a 160mm fork or get a small tire with less tread. Not good.
    I'm running a 2.25 Hans Dampf which is a bigger volume tire and no issues at full travel that I can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200 View Post
    Apparently the "reviewer" [advertorial writer] wasn't paying attention.

    - The travel is adjustable to 145 mm, not 140 mm.
    - This bike does not have G1 dropouts.
    - The bottom bracket was not raised to 13.5". Heck, if that's actually correct, the bottom bracket was lowered to 13.5".
    - The explanation of the brake forces applied to the rear mount is made-up BS.
    - Yes, Intense refers to this bike as the Tracer T275, not Tracer 275C as the 'author' described.

    If you want a more accurate and meaningful review, check this out: 2014 Intense Tracer T275 Carbon Pro ? Reviews, Comparisons, Specs ? Mountain Bikes - Vital MTB
    I had mistakenly put the G1 dropouts, in there that was my error. Before they officially launched their new web site the spec I was given the 140mm travel figure. I had corrected both of those values 2 days ago. And the normal alloy Tracer 275 has a 13.3" bb height while the 275C has a 13.5".

    As far as the braking info, I can't vouch for that, that was the info I was given from the engineers at Seed Engineering, who said they tested the forces.

    Again, they altered the name of the bike from the press camp info, I was originally given the naming of 275C. Notice the same issue with Pinkbike?

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    The Carbide 275 Carbon is a 150mm bike, while the T275 is a 160mm bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePigMatt View Post
    Anyone else noticed the geometry chart in the intense site is slightly different to the ones on pinkbike/nsmb etc? Mainly slightly longer reach and wheelbase measurements, as well as an extra large size! Anyone know which geo chart is correct?
    Intense gave the press some early specs and geometry charts, and after we published our articles on the bike, their new web site had different numbers. They also changed the name on us from 275C to T275.

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    One of the articles touted a "industry leading" stand over clearance of 28". For me this a huge spec and I've been waiting/hoping for the 31.4 on the site to change. Any ideas on which is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    One of the articles touted a "industry leading" stand over clearance of 28". For me this a huge spec and I've been waiting/hoping for the 31.4 on the site to change. Any ideas on which is true?

    I measured 28"

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    I like the new rear swingarm and how the stealth routing is now out the seat tube. The carbon designs are getting better with each generation. Looks a bit more like a Santa Cruz, though on one of the last gen carbon Intense frame, the inside didn't look very smooth. Hope that was improved this time. Hopefully less chance of creaking in the new rear triangle too.

    I gotta say, the basic 1 solid color Intense decal, especially the font chosen for it, look lame. The Tracer T275 decal looks nice though. I don't have a prob with red or grey, but either the camera and lighting sucked or those are dull/soft shades of red and grey. The red scheme looks good in general, especially with the subtle contrast of white text, but I wonder if it would be better if it were a deeper red. Whoever's behind these decals, and other decals such as the Spider 29 Comp top tube decal (Blk/Gold version), is/are an embarrassment to Intense; I'd rather have a nude frame than those decals. Considering the $3199 asking price for the frame, 10% of that could've bought a much nicer finish.
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    Love the look of the new bike, can't wait to give it a go soon!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pastajet View Post
    Intense gave the press some early specs and geometry charts, and after we published our articles on the bike, their new web site had different numbers. They also changed the name on us from 275C to T275.
    Yes, I don't doubt they changed the name...and the specs. And as such, Intense's claimed specs have commonly been off from the actual specs. For example, you mentioned that the Tracer 27.5 had a bottom bracket height of 13.3", but I don't think any bike actually had a BB that low. Unless they had 26" wheels in the 27.5 dropouts.
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    I recently saw some pics of the complete bike, and while the internally routed cables - or most of them - look great, the dropper cable is routed right down the top of the down tube. Looked like hell. How the hell could they have screwed that one up so badly. Was there some engineering issue that prevented them from doing that properly?
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200 View Post
    I recently saw some pics of the complete bike, and while the internally routed cables - or most of them - look great, the dropper cable is routed right down the top of the down tube. Looked like hell. How the hell could they have screwed that one up so badly. Was there some engineering issue that prevented them from doing that properly?
    Yes apparently the angle near the BB would be too tight for cable actuated dropper posts to function correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaster1200 View Post
    ...you mentioned that the Tracer 27.5 had a bottom bracket height of 13.3", but I don't think any bike actually had a BB that low. Unless they had 26" wheels in the 27.5 dropouts.
    My Tracer 27.5 measures just a hair over 13" with a Pike 150, High Roller II 2.4 front tire and Vigilante 2.3 rear tire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    My Tracer 27.5 measures just a hair over 13" with a Pike 150, High Roller II 2.4 front tire and Vigilante 2.3 rear tire.
    Interesting.
    What's different on your bike than the ones described in this thread? (I know, most are Carbines, but aren't those about the same height?)
    What is the true Carbine 275 BB height with a Fox 34 150 and a Fox 34 160
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7pointme View Post
    i'm just hoping that these geometry tweaks and the niceties like internal cable routing make their way to the aluminum tracer. I guess it's a little different because they're still selling through back-stock of the current tracer 275, but can sam or anyone comment on when we might see the updates to the aluminum tracer?
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    I'm running a Pike on the front. Little bit shorter fork than the Fox.
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    I've ridden all formats of both bikes, all size mediums - Tracer VP, Tracer 2, Tracer 275, Carbine SL, Carbine, and now the T275.

    This bike blows everything out of the water! Light, low, true sizing, short chain stay, excellent shock rate, the right head angle, bb is low (sick, but took a ride to get used to), easy to build (internal routing was a breeze). The bigger wheels have more advantages and didn't notice any disadvantages.

    I loved the Tracer 2, but the small bump and mid-stroke wasn't nearly as dialled as the T275.

    Just try it. Then make a statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by big bear View Post
    I've ridden all formats of both bikes, all size mediums - Tracer VP, Tracer 2, Tracer 275, Carbine SL, Carbine, and now the T275.

    This bike blows everything out of the water! Light, low, true sizing, short chain stay, excellent shock rate, the right head angle, bb is low (sick, but took a ride to get used to), easy to build (internal routing was a breeze). The bigger wheels have more advantages and didn't notice any disadvantages.

    I loved the Tracer 2, but the small bump and mid-stroke wasn't nearly as dialled as the T275.

    Just try it. Then make a statement
    Good to hear!

    My last Intense trail bike was the Tracer VP, and that thing was horrible, so I'm glad to hear they finally built a good frame again (the SlopeStyle was my favorite geometry-wise, but had lots of other issues - at least the second one was straight).
    May the air be filled with tires!

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    What is the shock size and stroke?
    7.875 x 2.25 ? or 7.875 x 2.2?

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    200◊57 mm (7.875 x 2.25 )

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    Hmm, 200 x 57 (7.875 x 2.25)
    I hope so, that would mean my Bronson's CCDB Air CS would fit.

    However If I check Cane Creeks web page they claim its 200 x 55 (7.875 x 3.5)
    but 55 mm isn't 3.5 inches....
    So I'm confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bradical View Post
    Hmm, 200 x 57 (7.875 x 2.25)
    I hope so, that would mean my Bronson's CCDB Air CS would fit.

    However If I check Cane Creeks web page they claim its 200 x 55 (7.875 x 3.5)
    but 55 mm isn't 3.5 inches....
    So I'm confused.
    Cane Creek has a typo on their site... its definitely 200 x 57, so your CCDB Air will fit.

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    /\ Nice build!!!

    Could you measure the bottom bracket height?

    I was looking at Jenson's website, and they're showing the chainstay length as effective instead of actual. Sam, could you clarify if the 17" measurement is effective or actual? I believe Intense has always measured actual, but I don't recall.
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