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    Quote Originally Posted by rgeniec View Post
    By my conversion you are 5'8" and I am 5'10" riding a large with a 35mm stem and 30mm rise bars.
    After three months of struggling with sizing I am finally comfortable.
    I would definitely go medium.
    I am currently selling my large in the ads section.
    Pardon me, but 179cm/2.54cm/" = 70.47" = 5'-10.47"

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    Oh! nice Lefkada is a really nice place.So i guess i made the right choice.My carbine was a really confusing story as it never felt right and i dont want this to happen with the tracer.Anyway i will post some pics also when i will finish her up. Thanx a lot for your time fellas!

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    So are you going size medium this time rgeniec?

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    If I get another Tracer I will most likely go Medium with a 50mm stem

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    I'm 5'10" and ride a large. Feels fine. If your a little shorter then the medium would be just fine for you.

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    I'm 5'10 and went with med T275. I had a Nomad 3 and it felt too long, the large T275 is even longer. I'm running a 50mm stem and 750 bars. Love the bike and the fit. Wider bars would give you more space if needed.

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    Just picked up a large T275 frame with a CCDB air. Going to to be building it up over the next couple months (no rush with 100 feet of snow on the ground). Only parts so far are a SRAM Rail 50 wheelset and a Pike RCT3 Solo Air. Have a few questions:

    1) Is there a BB92 people recommend? Hate any kind of creaking on my bikes. Will be running either an X01 or XX1 crankset.
    2) Having never owned a carbon frame, should I protect any parts of the frame with wrap/tape of some kind?

    Thanks.

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    I recommend a King BB. The only wrap you need is on the chain stay (drive side).
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    I just put I9 Ultra Light 24h wheels and Ikon tires on and hit 26.3 lbs.

    26.3 lbs for XC




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    After owning a number of different Intense frames (Uzzi SLX, 5.5 EVP, and a 1st gen Tracer VPP), and then departing to something else (a Niner Jet 9 RDO, don't ask LOL!), I've decided to come back to the Intense family

    Picked me up a T275C Pro last Thursday:



    Taking her out for her break-in ride tomorrow for lunch. Super excited to be back on an Intense after being away for a few years.
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    Anyone try an angled headset on their T275c?

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    Quote Originally Posted by batts65 View Post
    Anyone try an angled headset on their T275c?
    Running -1 on mine since day 1. Loving it. I tend to ride over the front a bit more than others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squiby View Post
    Running -1 on mine since day 1. Loving it. I tend to ride over the front a bit more than others.
    Very interesting to hear this.

    What size frame are you on? How's the extra wheelbase? Also, how noticeable would you say the change in climbing is?

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    Hey guys. I've been riding Intense since the days of the M1 and the Tazer. I strayed from the family after being disappointed in my 2009 Tracer (6") VPP. I'm thinking of jumping back in and would love to ride one first. Is there anyone in the DC area who would be willing to let me join them for a ride and put a few miles on their bike? I'm 6', 150lbs so a lg or med would be ideal. Hit me up with a pm!

    I'm trying to decide between this bike, the Ibis hd3 and spec enduro 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikfrut View Post
    Hey guys. I've been riding Intense since the days of the M1 and the Tazer. I strayed from the family after being disappointed in my 2009 Tracer (6") VPP. I'm thinking of jumping back in and would love to ride one first. Is there anyone in the DC area who would be willing to let me join them for a ride and put a few miles on their bike? I'm 6', 150lbs so a lg or med would be ideal. Hit me up with a pm!

    I'm trying to decide between this bike, the Ibis hd3 and spec enduro 650b
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    As i was prepared to purchase my midlife crisis T275c configured with Fox 36, Cane DBair and industry 9 wheels i noticed the new DVO model today. Can anyone tell me how the two bikes differ as far as who or what they’re meant for? Should I just stick with my configuration as a 250lbs am/cc rider from NY?

    Thanks.

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    The frame is exactly the same. The fork and shock you chose are equally adept at charging downhill sections, Enduros & lift served tracks. You will be happy in Shredtopia on either set up. Have never ridden the DVO, but the 36 is perhaps the best fork I've ever ridden.
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    Finished this build this past January. It was my first build from the ground up & I enjoyed every hour of it! I say hours due to the time spent building the wheels. I have a whole new respect for wheel builders. It has been worth it though! This thing shreds!

    I have added a KS LEV since the picture.




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    Tell me everything about that fork!

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirby258 View Post
    Finished this build this past January. It was my first build from the ground up & I enjoyed every hour of it! I say hours due to the time spent building the wheels. I have a whole new respect for wheel builders. It has been worth it though! This thing shreds!

    I have added a KS LEV since the picture.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Rb View Post
    Very interesting to hear this.

    What size frame are you on? How's the extra wheelbase? Also, how noticeable would you say the change in climbing is?
    I am 5'10" on a medium. Came off a carbine and this bike is all the things that bike wasn't. Not that the carbine was bad. Extra wheel base is awesome and the bike comes alive the faster you go. Don't notice a downside with climbing. I climb better on it but that's just from riding more and having more fun which is making me fitter = better climbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    Tell me everything about that fork!
    160 Mattoc Pro... and I absolutely love it!

    It all started last year when I upgraded my DH fork to a Dorado. Then I blew my Xfusion shock & decided to try out the revox for the DH rig. Nothing but good things to say about them.

    So I decided to give the Mattoc a go on the trail bike... Now I think that I am a Manitou convert. Their suspension team has really turned it around. It has great small bump sensitivity and bottomless feel. I will admit I am not the best suspension tuner, & I am just starting to venture away from their recommended settings to try playing around with things.

    There were minor growing pains with switching to Manitou though. Their knob locations & colors are all reversed from Fox & RS. The reverse arch is kinda weird as well. It made brake cable routing kinda funny, but not really I big deal.

    I have only been on the Mattoc for a couple months now, so I should be able to give a better review in the months to come. If it is anything like my other Manitou suspension then I am sure I will be happy.

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    It's amazing to me that Manitou still runs a reverse arch. I guess it's become their signature. I remember when it was first introduced back around 2000'. Great looking fork BTW it was the first thing I noticed when the photo's popped up.
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    any reason not to run a marzocchi rear shock on the T275 carbon frame?

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    After much debate I picked one up yesterday. Coming off a SC BLTc I also considered the Nomad, Enduro, Mojo and Bronson. Press fit BB and sizing were concerns. At 5'10.5" w/32 inseam I initial felt familiar on a Large but ended up going with a Medium. First ride tomorrow. Question: Should the shop provide an air pump and grease gun?

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    Which frame size do you recommend at a height of 189cm (6"2)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southbay Bomber View Post
    After much debate I picked one up yesterday. Coming off a SC BLTc I also considered the Nomad, Enduro, Mojo and Bronson. Press fit BB and sizing were concerns. At 5'10.5" w/32 inseam I initial felt familiar on a Large but ended up going with a Medium. First ride tomorrow. Question: Should the shop provide an air pump and grease gun?
    You should own those tools. especially the shock pump.

    I would have gone with a large. I am 5'11 and ride a large with a 35mm reach stem and love it. could not imagine any smaller. I lusted after the SB6c but didn't want the press fit BB. Plus, I have done the $3500 framesets in the past with the Brooklyn racelink and just could not bring myself to spend that kind of cash of a carbon frame. I love the geo numbers of the Nomad but it is just not an attractive looking frame + the press fit BB. The raw aluminum tracer was perfect for me. I can take it apart and clean as I please and I will soon have it in the high 27# range.

    Congrats!! , enjoy your new Tracer. Post up some photos and your initial ride impressions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1_joel View Post
    You should own those tools. especially the shock pump.

    I would have gone with a large. I am 5'11 and ride a large with a 35mm reach stem and love it. could not imagine any smaller. I lusted after the SB6c but didn't want the press fit BB. Plus, I have done the $3500 framesets in the past with the Brooklyn racelink and just could not bring myself to spend that kind of cash of a carbon frame. I love the geo numbers of the Nomad but it is just not an attractive looking frame + the press fit BB. The raw aluminum tracer was perfect for me. I can take it apart and clean as I please and I will soon have it in the high 27# range.

    Congrats!! , enjoy your new Tracer. Post up some photos and your initial ride impressions.
    First session was great. Unfamiliar trails that were very loose but it handled transitions between granite, dirt and roots well. By the time we finished our third run any concerns regarding frame sizing were gone. I can't properly articulate the experience but it met all the requirements I wanted as an upgrade from the BLTc. I bit more travel, thru axle stiffness, relaxed head angle along with 11 speeds. It carried it's speed well and had a very plush feel. I went with the recommended base tunes. Hopefully I'll get onto some Santa Cruz trails I'm familiar with this weekend to get a better impression as well as refine the tuning.
    Luckily a had new Fox shock pump and grease tube stashed away in the garage and Intense will send me the required zerk fitting adaptor for a grease gun, which I can borrow from the cousin-in-law.

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    Has anybody had to warranty their T275 yet? How was the process?

    Yesterday while on an extended climb I had a rock get kicked up, which got caught in my rear derailleur. The derailleur was destroyed & ended my ride. I was extremely pissed off at the time due to ending my ride from a stupid rock going ~2 mph. After cleaning my bike this morning I found a crack on my frame at the derailleur hanger attachment area (it seems that the frame failed instead of the hanger).

    I just submitted an email to Intense, & plan on calling them during business hours. The next stop is my local Intense dealer to have them document the damage as well. I am hoping that Intense sees this as a manufacturer defect & gets this straightened out.







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    @mkirby258 That sucks. I think all of us who own these bikes just cringed a little and said "oh crap." Stuff like this erodes confidence in the engineering, materials and layup. I suppose if we searched the forums we might find carbon failure stories in every major brand, but this certainly throws some doubt into our enthusiasm. We all hope (and expect) the customer service side will take care of you and your frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    @mkirby258 That sucks. I think all of us who own these bikes just cringed a little and said "oh crap."
    I know I did! What a total bummer.

    Mkirby258, please keep us posted on your experience with Intense's customer servive/warranty. Good luck and sorry that happened!

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    Bummer! Can't imagine something like that happening from a rock getting kicked up. Looks more like the Derailleur Hanger took full force from landing on a boulder.

    Good luck getting a warranty replacement.

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    Ouch. Hopefully they look after you.

    Twice recently in the parking lot of a local trail, I've had Intense owners come up to me and ask if I've had any trouble with my frame. Both were on Carbines, and said they'd had trouble with the linkages. One guy's had broken and been replaced twice, and the other guy's hadn't broken but was chronically coming loose.

    Before I bought mine (Tracer 275C), I searched to see whether there was an unduly high reporting of problems with the bikes - I do that with any bike I buy. I really didn't find anything to worry about, but the experiences above have now got me a bit worried.

    The bike is amazing of course - I just want it to stay that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloodpuddle View Post
    Ouch. Hopefully they look after you.

    Twice recently in the parking lot of a local trail, I've had Intense owners come up to me and ask if I've had any trouble with my frame. Both were on Carbines, and said they'd had trouble with the linkages. One guy's had broken and been replaced twice, and the other guy's hadn't broken but was chronically coming loose.

    Before I bought mine (Tracer 275C), I searched to see whether there was an unduly high reporting of problems with the bikes - I do that with any bike I buy. I really didn't find anything to worry about, but the experiences above have now got me a bit worried.

    The bike is amazing of course - I just want it to stay that way!
    800+ miles on the Carbine 29 and no issues that weren't remedied by some blue loctite for the rear shock eyelet bolts and periodic checking for peace of mind. A torque wrench has also been helpful.

    Trying to figure out a solid solution or cause for my T275 rear wheel axle loosening. Anyone experience that?

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    Please reach out to Intense Customer Service Manager Chad Duffey: (951) 296-9596 x228 or Chad@Intensecycles.com; feel free to tag me as well Sam@Intensecycles.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-IntenseCustServ View Post
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    Please reach out to Intense Customer Service Manager Chad Duffey: (951) 296-9596 x228 or Chad@Intensecycles.com; feel free to tag me as well Sam@Intensecycles.com
    Thank you for the information & timely response. I have sent an email to both of you on this matter.

    Once again, thank you for your time.
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    I have ridden Intense bikes since 2003 and over the years had my share of warranty situations. Each and every time my claims were handled quickly and without a hitch. I'm sure they will handle your situation with the same awesome customer service I've experienced in the past.

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    I'm picking up a Tracer 275C frame tomorrow (stoked!), what's the internal routing like? Just holes that I have to fish the lines through, or are there internal tubes I can just run then through? Is there much noise from cables rattling around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboardorblade View Post
    I'm picking up a Tracer 275C frame tomorrow (stoked!), what's the internal routing like? Just holes that I have to fish the lines through, or are there internal tubes I can just run then through? Is there much noise from cables rattling around?

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    Congrats! The bike rides great!

    No noise from cables rattling around (at least none that I have noticed). Internal routing is continuous, so you don't have to worry about fishing for them (exception of having to fish the derailleur cable through the chainstay).

    Be careful to ensure that your cables are long enough to accommodate for shock travel. Mine were a little short in the past & resulted in some cable rub on the lower link pivots.

    Shred on

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    Awesome. Just what I was hoping to hear. Thanks for the advice as well, I'll make note of that.

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    Slowly acquiring/finalizing build plans. Sold the Inline for a Float X2 with the climb switch when it comes out, and just ordered some orange Pro 4 hubs with black Oozy Trail 295 rims, Magic Mary and Rock Razor rubber. Should be picking up some Guide Ultimate's this weekend, and then will be ordering a Hope headset, Hope BB, and probably the Fatbar Lite. Getting stoked!

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    Guys,

    Please feel free to tell me I'm crazy but I have an idea to check.

    My T275C is a Foundation build and I'm thinking of the best shock. I run the bike in 145 mm mode. Monarch Plus DebonAir seems to have too firm mid stroke. Stock X-Fusion O2 is much softer which I rather like.

    I've had a chance to fit a CCDB Air CS and, as stated on Cane Creek site, it has a clearance issue. In 160 mm mode on full compression it touches the cable guide.

    So, would it be a really, really bad idea to just carefully remove the cable guide to make the shock clear? I understand that a thought of messing with an extremely expensive carbon frame would freak most people out but this is just a cable guide I don't really need, and I'd rather have and be able to use a really nice shock.

    Any thoughts are welcome

    BTW, I don't have a warranty on the frame (second hand purchase).

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    I'm not familiar with your frame at all, but perhaps what I encountered with my Tracer VP will help. My CCDBAir would contact the top tube at full compression in long-travel mode. I bought two offset shock bushings from Proshox on Ebay and oriented them to space the shock down from the stop tube, rather than to increase/decrease the I2I as they are intended. This worked perfectly. Pictures:

    This was the contact:


    This is after the bushings:


    Never had a problem. Maybe something like this could help you?

    I would never alter a carbon frame, even for something like a cable guide.

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    What stops the offset bushings from turning and spinning?

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    They're like every other type of hardware - they're clamped/pinched into place when you tighten the shock bolts to the torque spec. Once you tighten the shock, they don't rotate, whether they are offset of regular. Here's a picture that I hope helps - that inner piece gets clamped in place just by tightening the shock. The outer rings have a soft bushing between them and the shock, so they compress in and let the frame/rocker flanges pinch the inner insert. You can just see that in the picture.


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    I know how they work. I always wondered why they don't turn.

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    Like I said, they're pinched between the flanges like all shock hardware and thus don't turn. If you hit REALLY hard on a landing, you could probably still turn them, but it would be a big hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post

    This was the contact:


    This is after the bushings:


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    I'd be really concerned that the cable will eat through the shock housing with that cable touching like that. Might be something to keep a close eye on for sure.
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    That cable only touches after about 5.5" of compression of the suspension in 6" mode. Not a problem after two years of riding.



    And actually, it's really not a problem now that I went to 1x10 and it isn't there.

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    Gotcha, thought it was like that all the time I was thinking it'd saw through that shock in no time flat.
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    You can use a file or dremel tool is rough up the surface of the bushing so it bites into the flanges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTB View Post
    That cable only touches after about 5.5" of compression of the suspension in 6" mode. Not a problem after two years of riding.



    And actually, it's really not a problem now that I went to 1x10 and it isn't there.
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    I've only gotten one ride on it so far, but I can tell I'm going to love this bike!!


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    a few changes since last year ...

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    wasn't sure if this goes here or in the photo thread.. so I posted both

    2016 T275c Factory Build, with a few upgrades:
    Chris King hubs with ceramic bearings in mango, and Enve M70 hoopla's
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    Gonna inaugurate this baby this weekend in the San Gabriels
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    wasn't sure if this goes here or in the photo thread.. so I posted both

    2016 T275c Factory Build, with a few upgrades:
    Chris King hubs with ceramic bearings in mango, and Enve M70 hoopla's
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    a few changes since last year ...

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    Nice bike - have fun with that beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stuffshredman View Post
    wasn't sure if this goes here or in the photo thread.. so I posted both

    2016 T275c Factory Build, with a few upgrades:
    Chris King hubs with ceramic bearings in mango, and Enve M70 hoopla's
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    Wow that is a good looking ride...

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    Wow...just wow. Nice work. Enjoy it!
    Thx ya'll. Tomorrow morning's ride up to Inspiration Point will count as the break-in period

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    I demoed a beautiful tracer T275c on Sunday. XT 1x, hope hubs, pike, Monarch plus, 50m Thomson stem, wide (mm?) race face aeffect handlebars. Hans Dampf front tire.

    This was my second time on the bike. Unfortunately this time the set up was all wrong and I never got it dialed. The Hans Dampf was super sketchy on loose over hard conditions so it was tough to push it and my shocks and fork pressures and rebounds were off. Was able to get them closer during the ride but never achieved the plush plow feel I was looking for. All of that said the frame is killer, geo felt dialed, and I'm pretty sure I could get it dialed with time spent on set up and a trusted Vigilante or DHF up front.


    Questions
    IS anyone running an Elevensix or other coil? While set up was off, I was not impressed by the Monarch plus. And assume the intense version of the VPP plays nice with coils?

    Have people successfully set this thing up to plow with the likes of the Nomad?

    Things I would Change
    -Get rid of the 140 travel slot. No need with spider in the Line up. Full design around 160 travel.
    -internal routing for dropper post.
    -threaded bottom bracket
    -slightly steeper seat tube angle? I felt a little behind the pedals despite saddle set all the way forward. Wouldn't sacrifice the short stay though, maybe even shorten if possible.
    -Some may say slack it out from 66.5. Maybe slightly to 66. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice the nimble feel. 66.5 felt pretty slack.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    I demoed a beautiful tracer T275c on Sunday. XT 1x, hope hubs, pike, Monarch plus, 50m Thomson stem, wide (mm?) race face aeffect handlebars. Hans Dampf front tire.

    This was my second time on the bike. Unfortunately this time the set up was all wrong and I never got it dialed. The Hans Dampf was super sketchy on loose over hard conditions so it was tough to push it and my shocks and fork pressures and rebounds were off. Was able to get them closer during the ride but never achieved the plush plow feel I was looking for. All of that said the frame is killer, geo felt dialed, and I'm pretty sure I could get it dialed with time spent on set up and a trusted Vigilante or DHF up front.


    Questions
    IS anyone running an Elevensix or other coil? While set up was off, I was not impressed by the Monarch plus. And assume the intense version of the VPP plays nice with coils?

    Have people successfully set this thing up to plow with the likes of the Nomad?

    Things I would Change
    -Get rid of the 140 travel slot. No need with spider in the Line up. Full design around 160 travel.
    -internal routing for dropper post.
    -threaded bottom bracket
    -slightly steeper seat tube angle? I felt a little behind the pedals despite saddle set all the way forward. Wouldn't sacrifice the short stay though, maybe even shorten if possible.
    -Some may say slack it out from 66.5. Maybe slightly to 66. But I wouldn't want to sacrifice the nimble feel. 66.5 felt pretty slack.


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    Hmmmm, I disagree with a couple of your points. Nothing wrong with the 145mm holes. There is no other change to the geometry when you change travel, so there's no harm. Don't want it, don't use it. Having to buy another bike to suit that need is a bit silly. BTW the Spider is 130mm/115mm.

    My T275c is internally routed for dropper post (at least, on the seat tube). I suppose you mean through the down tube also. That would be a little cleaner.

    74.5* effective seat tube angle is one of the best in its class. It has saved my back compared to so many bikes that seem to sit around 72*.

    Sorry to hear that your test ride suspension and tires were off the mark. 30% sag in the rear shock is critical to proper performance.

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    I was using 30% but still bottoming a lot. Didn't feel great. Wanted to try 25% actually. Or a different shock. Last time I road it with an float x and it was money


    Not sure what I don't like about the 140 switch. It just strikes me it probably created some sort of design compromise. Do you use it a lot? I just doubt a lot of people care much for it who are buying this rig. It's not going to turn it into a cross country bike. It's an all mountain machine




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    The short travel mode works great if you are doing a long sustained climb. I use it quite often.

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    I have the new DHX2 on my T275, and while I'm still getting it dialed it is an awesome combo. It still pedals very well, even without touching the climb switch.

    I'm not sure what the gripe with the seat tube angle is, it feels much better than the sb66 i came off of. I'm currently using an externally routed post, running it through the top tube/front derailleur routing, and while it works I would like an internal dropper + full internal routing.


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    I just feel behind the pedals a bit with the saddle even maxed forward. Maybe I'm just not used to riding this class of bike and that's how they all are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    I just feel behind the pedals a bit with the saddle even maxed forward. Maybe I'm just not used to riding this class of bike and that's how they all are.

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    I like the short travel hole because it seems to put the rider above the pedals and NOT behind them. Intense claims that changing the travel does not change geometry but I use the short travel because of the better climbing position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    I just feel behind the pedals a bit with the saddle even maxed forward. Maybe I'm just not used to riding this class of bike and that's how they all are.
    What bike are you comparing to?

    I am coming from a Knolly Endorphin and prior to that, a Yeti 575. I've tried the Ibis Mojo HD3, Norco Range, Knolly Warden and Yeti SB6 and on each of them I felt far more "behind the pedals" than on the Tracer. The STA is one of the reasons I liked this bike so much.

    @bikeboarorblade - I don't think the 145mm position changes the effective seat tube angle, so being more on top of your pedals could be more imagined than real. I suppose if you are climbing while seated, you could be a little less deep into the travel in the 145 position, thus a little more upright while pedaling.

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    My current bike is a 2013 Spec Stumpy FSR 29er. Seat tube angle is similar but feel much more on top of the pedals. Knees over the cranks. On the T275 knees are just at the back edge. Not enough to be a deal breaker just something I noticed.

    I'm riding an HD3 this weekend so will have another point of comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    I was using 30% but still bottoming a lot. Didn't feel great. Wanted to try 25% actually. Or a different shock. Last time I road it with an float x and it was money


    Not sure what I don't like about the 140 switch. It just strikes me it probably created some sort of design compromise. Do you use it a lot? I just doubt a lot of people care much for it who are buying this rig. It's not going to turn it into a cross country bike. It's an all mountain machine




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    Should be 20-25% sag for proper shock set-up.

    The adjustable travel setting is great if you're planning for a longer ride with sustained climbing. All of the newer Intense bikes offer the adjustable travel setting in the top link and does not affect the geo.

    I think the more adjustability on a bike, great!

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    I understand it as it doesn't change the Geo when the bike is static, but once you weight the bike in the long travel mode it has greater sag so the seat angle is slacker, lower bb, ect which could give the behind the peddles feeling
    Once you go slack, you never go back!

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    Should be 20-25% sag for proper shock set-up.

    The adjustable travel setting is great if you're planning for a longer ride with sustained climbing. All of the newer Intense bikes offer the adjustable travel setting in the top link and does not affect the geo.

    I think the more adjustability on a bike, great!
    20-25% as a general statement or relative to the Monarch plus on this bike specifically? There are plenty of instances where that rule does not quite work but again I don't know this bike well. I def would go less than 30% next time with that set up.

    I think I would put the new Float X2 on it if I built one up for sure.

    Good points on the effective seat position relative to the 140mm setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    20-25% as a general statement or relative to the Monarch plus on this bike specifically? There are plenty of instances where that rule does not quite work but again I don't know this bike well. I def would go less than 30% next time with that set up.

    I think I would put the new Float X2 on it if I built one up for sure.

    Good points on the effective seat position relative to the 140mm setting.

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    For the Tracer 275C. I was at a demo event and was told that about 20-23% sag is the sweet spot, this is how the Intense Rep set-up the bike for me. However, he did say that he sets up other models with the same rule of being just over 20% sag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I understand it as it doesn't change the Geo when the bike is static, but once you weight the bike in the long travel mode it has greater sag so the seat angle is slacker, lower bb, ect which could give the behind the peddles feeling
    You're should readjust sag when you change the travel setting. That is why it is not always convenient to adjust travel on a single ride.

    We usually set sag to 25% as a starting point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    You're should readjust sag when you change the travel setting. That is why it is not always convenient to adjust travel on a single ride.

    We usually set sag to 25% as a starting point.
    Interesting. The Intense owner's manual for the Tracer suggests 20% sag for setup. That would be 11.4mm of the 57mm stroke. Cane Creek says 17mm of sag (30% of 57mm) for the Tracer. I looked at the Bronson and they recommend 15-17mm of sag on a 57mm stroke shock as well.

    I run 30% (17mm) on my Tracer with a CCDBi, and it feels like the sweet spot for sure. Any less, and the back wants to skitter on successive hits like braking bumps, especially if braking. I don't bottom out with 30% sag, but I use all of the travel on deep g-outs or 4-ft. drops with a rear-biased landing. 160mm position. Oh and I weigh 210lbs.

    The same sag measurement would be true for the 145 position, but it may require a change of air pressure to achieve the same sag, due to the change in leverage applied by the lower shock mounting position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    My current bike is a 2013 Spec Stumpy FSR 29er. Seat tube angle is similar but feel much more on top of the pedals.
    Again, interesting. Effective seat tube angle for that model claimed at the exact same 74.5*. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bi...srcomp29/38006

    Perhaps you are more stretched out on the Stumpy and more upright on the Tracer? I'm fascinated because our experiences are polar opposite. I feel far more on top of the pedals while seated and climbing, while you feel farther behind the pedals compared to other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    Again, interesting. Effective seat tube angle for that model claimed at the exact same 74.5*. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bi...srcomp29/38006

    Perhaps you are more stretched out on the Stumpy and more upright on the Tracer? I'm fascinated because our experiences are polar opposite. I feel far more on top of the pedals while seated and climbing, while you feel farther behind the pedals compared to other bikes.
    Possibly it's the longer reach and ETT. I checked the angles and had the same reaction. I was surprised. Maybe I should have been on an XL. Again not a deal breaker. Need to compare to more modern bikes, many of which I am considering seem to run smaller than my Spec.

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    New Intense T275 Carbon

    So I'm looking for a new fork to replace my 5.5(!) lb. Vengeance. I think I've narrowed it down to the 36 RC2 or the MRP Stage. Any thoughts?

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    Why not the pike? I prefer it to the 36 but limited runs on both

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    I'd say the pike would be number 3, but I'm hesitant to really consider it because of the Charger issues. Not necessarily problems but issues. I haven't read a single report of someone preferring the Pike to the Stage yet, and I like the loooong service intervals of the Stage.

    What did you like about the Pike over the 36?


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    I like my 36 rc2 a lot. Light and stiff, although the damper sucked until I got some custom loving done to it.

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    While tempting, the idea of sending a new fork off to Push/Avalanche etc. isn't financially in the cards.


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    I agree. I was pretty pissed off that it was an early 2015 with the shitty valving. Fox should have it right out of the box.

    edit. While Avy and Push will be the more expensive options, look at Suspensionwerx up in North Vancouver, BC, Canada. I normally go to Avy for my upgrades but given the lousy dollar conversion, I tried these guys out instead. They installed the Ohlins piston and shimmed it for me. They even custom machined a blue air spring spacer since I needed one and a half...all for $200-something Canadian $$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboardorblade View Post
    I'd say the pike would be number 3, but I'm hesitant to really consider it because of the Charger issues. Not necessarily problems but issues. I haven't read a single report of someone preferring the Pike to the Stage yet, and I like the loooong service intervals of the Stage.

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    I just have a few rides on both so my opinion still up in the air but the pike just felt a little smoother to me. I need more time but they are at least in the same area of performance.

    I will say For me the climb switch on the pike is pretty key as I stand up to climb a lot. No switch on the 36

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    Nice set up. How do you like the pairing with the db in-line?



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    I am waiting on a monarch. The DB inline is ok but it's not been the mod reliable and unless your spend a ton of time tuning it it's hard to get to feel right


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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboardorblade View Post
    So I'm looking for a new fork to replace my 5.5(!) lb. Vengeance. I think I've narrowed it down to the 36 RC2 or the MRP Stage. Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    Again, interesting. Effective seat tube angle for that model claimed at the exact same 74.5*. https://www.specialized.com/us/en/bi...srcomp29/38006

    Perhaps you are more stretched out on the Stumpy and more upright on the Tracer? I'm fascinated because our experiences are polar opposite. I feel far more on top of the pedals while seated and climbing, while you feel farther behind the pedals compared to other bikes.
    I got my shock back for my Spec and was able to ride and figure this out. My feeling of being more behind the pedals on the Tracer was not due to seat tube angle - it is due purely to the much longer stem on my Spec, resulting in a way more layed out riding position.

    Both bikes have identical reach of 445m in large. Both have 74.50 effective seat tube but the Tracers actual angle is actually steeper (70.5 vs 69.8). This results in an ETT slightly shorter on the Tracer. Most importantly, the Tracer I rode had a 50mm stem max and it may have been been 40. My Spec has a stock 90. This means total seated cockpit is at least 1.8 inches longer on the Spec (ETT+stem).

    When I look down my knee is in similar position relative to th crank which makes sense given the seat tube angle.

    I'm just not used to the shorter stems yet is the deal. My spec stem is too long I think I can run 50-60 on these bikes comfortably.







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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeboardorblade View Post
    So I'm looking for a new fork to replace my 5.5(!) lb. Vengeance. I think I've narrowed it down to the 36 RC2 or the MRP Stage. Any thoughts?
    I just put a Lyrik 170 on my Tracer and it absolutely rips. Love it

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    Get yourself a piece of string, a weight and a piece of tape. Tie the weight on one end of the string and tape the string over the nose of your seat, allowing the weight to dangle below your BB. Take a ruler and measure how far behind the center of the BB you are on both bikes.

    Obviously both seat heights should be matched prior to doing this and both bikes should be on level ground.

    Once you have that measurement you can figure your cockpit length out from there with stem heights and lengths.

    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    I got my shock back for my Spec and was able to ride and figure this out. My feeling of being more behind the pedals on the Tracer was not due to seat tube angle - it is due purely to the much longer stem on my Spec, resulting in a way more layed out riding position.

    Both bikes have identical reach of 445m in large. Both have 74.50 effective seat tube but the Tracers actual angle is actually steeper (70.5 vs 69.8). This results in an ETT slightly shorter on the Tracer. Most importantly, the Tracer I rode had a 50mm stem max and it may have been been 40. My Spec has a stock 90. This means total seated cockpit is at least 1.8 inches longer on the Spec (ETT+stem).

    When I look down my knee is in similar position relative to th crank which makes sense given the seat tube angle.

    I'm just not used to the shorter stems yet is the deal. My spec stem is too long I think I can run 50-60 on these bikes comfortably.







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    Quote Originally Posted by TomFL View Post
    Get yourself a piece of string, a weight and a piece of tape. Tie the weight on one end of the string and tape the string over the nose of your seat, allowing the weight to dangle below your BB. Take a ruler and measure how far behind the center of the BB you are on both bikes.

    Obviously both seat heights should be matched prior to doing this and both bikes should be on level ground.

    Once you have that measurement you can figure your cockpit length out from there with stem heights and lengths.
    Good idea but you should be able to get the same result using all the detailed measurements right? I guess that'd be a sure way to double check it

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    I see your point, comparing frame geometry numbers is key yes, but comparing two bikes that have distinctly different saddle positions could lead to exactly what you mentioned you didn't like how you felt aboard the Tracer.

    If you don't have your seat positioned properly up/down and fore/aft it's going to make any bike feel and perform different, let along effect your comfort and power in the saddle, or even give you knee problems.

    A decent bike set up properly is going to fit/feel/perform better than a great bike set up poorly, no matter what the geo is.



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    Good idea but you should be able to get the same result using all the detailed measurements right? I guess that'd be a sure way to double check it

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    @DriverB - any chance your crank arms are longer on the Tracer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herzalot View Post
    @DriverB - any chance your crank arms are longer on the Tracer?
    I am running 175 on my Spec so doubt the Tracer was set up w more. Not sure what tracer is speced at...

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    My XL Tracer DVO came with 170mm cranks...

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    Hero conditions the other day. I've decided to hang on to the Vengeance (for now at least) and maybe save the $& for some carbon wheels once the Spank's die. The Vengeance truly is a great fork. Good range of adjustments, and I'm loving not having to think about or carry a shock pump!


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    New question here. Non- stealth reverb fitment?!

    Hi guys

    I've just bought a T275C and am desperate to fit a dropper post to it.

    However I currently have a standard (non stealth) Reverb and can't see how to route the cables without cable ties?!

    Have any of you guys fitted non stealth droppers to your T275C's ?

    Do you have any pictures?

    Many thanks

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    Isn't the Tracer the same as other Intense frames for non stealth? Route the housing through the headtube which then comes out under the top tube and have to secure it with zip ties?

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