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    Mk 1 SS vs Tracer VP

    After what seemed like forever I finished building up my Mk 1 Slopestyle. It weighed in at 33lbs with 2010 Van 36 RC2s and a Hope Pro2 wheelset. Lighter than I was expecting considering the frame is a large.

    After more time I actually rode it and was very surprised. Corners like a house fly, handles the slow technical stuff to about 99% of the Tracers ability. Pedals just as well and in general I'm happier on it.

    So, the Tracer is up far sale as I cannot keep both and having two bikes that are 'similar-ish' does not make much sense in any case. What I want to do know is get the Slopestyle on a diet. Ideally I want to swap out the VAN RC2 36s for some Floats and move the Chris King wheels set form the Tracer over to the Slopestyle. Questions are:

    Is there anything else that can be done that will make a bigish difference? I thought about a set of Mavic CrossMax SX rims but find conflicting stories about their weight and I think I have everything else pretty much covered. Also, does anyone have any experiences of using the Floats with the Sopestyle, if so I'd be interested to hear your views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dans160
    . Questions are:

    Is there anything else that can be done that will make a bigish difference? I thought about a set of Mavic CrossMax SX rims but find conflicting stories about their weight and I think I have everything else pretty much covered. Also, does anyone have any experiences of using the Floats with the Sopestyle, if so I'd be interested to hear your views.

    Cheers,

    Dan
    I dont have any experience board the original SS but have I met quite a few people who are fanatical about this model. Strangely, some of them haven't ever actually owned one. The original SS must must be one of those bikes that really inspire. To me it looks like a Lamborghini sports car on two wheels with pedals. Its got that "its going fast even when its staying still" kinda thing going on.

    I do own some SX hoops and I can say they are very strong for their weight. There are lighter wheels and stronger wheels but few would be such a nice combination of both. Only downside is if you total them its going to make you cry cause spares are very expensive compared to a standard wheelset.

    Hope to see some pix soon mate

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    What is your build? That might help people make suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbyred
    What is your build? That might help people make suggestions.

    Eric
    Yep, it would be interesting to see what cranks, pedals and tires you are running. All these are places for potentially loosing significant weight.

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    Go through the photo album. I have SX, XTR/X0, etc. on my build.

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    Okay:

    2010 Fox 36 Van RC2 FIT
    Chris King Devolution Headset
    Chris King ISO hubs laced to Mavic 719 rims using Swiss DT spokes
    M970 XTR crank arms
    Blackspire 32 t chaingring
    Gamut P20 chain device
    Chris King BB
    KCNC chain ring bolts
    Thomson 350mm post
    Salsa flip lock seatpost clamp
    SDG Bel Air RL cro mo saddle (Ti one going on soon)
    Thomson X4 70mm stem
    Sunline V2 50mm riser bars
    ODI Yeti lockon grips
    Sram X9 shifter (changing to X0)
    Sram X0 rear mech, short cage with KCNC jockey wheels
    Hope Mono M4 calipers
    Hope floating rotors
    Hope rear quick release
    DMR V12 Mag pedals
    Sram PC991 chain
    Swampthing 2.35s front and rear. There is a lot of mud here at the moment!

    I think that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dans160
    What I want to do know is get the Slopestyle on a diet. Ideally I want to swap out the VAN RC2 36s for some Floats and move the Chris King wheels set form the Tracer over to the Slopestyle
    Contact Fox and see if you can just swap out the spring side of your VAN for the Float air spring internals. It may be cheaper.

    I'll be watching this thread. My SS comes in at ~34.5 lbs with an Elka, Ti coil, Lyric Solo Air and a Gravity Dropper.

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    I hadn't thought of contacting fox. It's a shame they do not make a ti spring for their forks. Incidentally, does anyone know the weight of the DHX 5 shock suppled with the SS before I take it off? I've got a Bos Stoy that I can put on which weighs in at 864grams as fitted to the Tracer but after converting will weigh more.

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    So far I've decided to get a Ti railed Bel Air, X0 shifters and a Ti Spring for the shock. The Stoy is up for sale as so far I've been really impressed with the Fox DHX 5 although the ground is very, very soft at the moment so it's impossible to say what it will be like when it dries out. That's not to say that I won't change my mind.

    I'll keep you posted as to how my battle against the bulge goes.

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by dans160
    So far I've decided to get a Ti railed Bel Air, X0 shifters and a Ti Spring for the shock. The Stoy is up for sale as so far I've been really impressed with the Fox DHX 5 although the ground is very, very soft at the moment so it's impossible to say what it will be like when it dries out. That's not to say that I won't change my mind.

    I'll keep you posted as to how my battle against the bulge goes.

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    You're picking the DHX over the S*toy?

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    I'm running a 2009 36 Float RC2 on my SS. Great fork!
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    33 is a great weight for that bike. I thought I was in the 34ish range, but no...finally got it on a scale and it's 36 Full XT build, not sure what else to do there to lighten it up. Probably going with some Stan's Flow rims, and going to throw on a 36 Float or Lyric Solo Air (currently 36 Van RC2). Maybe even an air shock, still cheaper than a ti spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BCBlur
    You're picking the DHX over the S*toy?
    The Stoy will cost £200 to get converted so it fits the SS. It also weighs more. So far I have not been dissapointed with the DHX5. I need to call TF tuned and chat to them about it really but it's up for sale and if I can get what I'm asking for it then it can go. If not then I will keep it. I'll see what TF tuned have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit
    33 is a great weight for that bike. I thought I was in the 34ish range, but no...finally got it on a scale and it's 36 Full XT build, not sure what else to do there to lighten it up. Probably going with some Stan's Flow rims, and going to throw on a 36 Float or Lyric Solo Air (currently 36 Van RC2). Maybe even an air shock, still cheaper than a ti spring.

    I checked out Ti springs last night How much! That is taking the p*** surely!?

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    Weighed it again and nope not 33lb at all. More like 33.7. I got it down to 33.6 after fitting the new saddle and XO shifter.

    The only way to lose more weight is to swap out the fork for a float (anybody want to swap my Vans for their Foats?) and sort out that spring on the rear shock. I've still not called TF tuned about the Stoy so still no ideas about what to do with that.

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    If you want to drop another 2-3 lb, you need to use more XC components and make serious compromises (hopefully not too much). You first need to work on the wheels/tires. Use UST XC tires 700-800g, and with UST/tubeless wheelsets that are light. You could also use lighter brakes and regular lighter rotors. If you use Float, that is also significant. You can probably get it to ~31-32 lb, but it will not handle all that well. I would love to do a comparison test of that bike vs. a Tracer with better tires.

    I keep 2 wheelsets for my SS, one for XC/AM (~33lb with XC tires) and one for light DH (~36lb with DH tires) for anywhere I don't have to climb. My XC/AM build would be 32lb or less if I don't use a telescoping seatpost, and few other stuff. Good enough for most rides, although I am usually the last one to the top on climbs.

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    Yeah I know. I don't want to go too far down the weight weenie route just keep is sensible. Sub 33lbs would be an excellent weight for this kind of do-it-bike. The summer set up will be lighter but that will be down to tires. The 2.35 single ply swampthings are needed at the moment as conditions where I am in the UK are muddy to say the least.

    In terms of performance I am riding faster and am more confident on this bike that I ever was on the Tracer. I also think it climbs better as it sits better in it's travel (does that make sense?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dans160
    I also think it climbs better as it sits better in it's travel (does that make sense?).
    Not for me. Out of all the Intense bikes I had/tried (excluding DH bikes), it is the worst climber. My old 38lb Uzzi VPX climbed better than this bike. Now that I have a dedicated DH bike, I might get a real AM bike later this year.

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    Got it down to 33lbs with the Bos Stoy fitted. I've swapped out the King/Mavic wheelset for a set of (2nd hand) Mavix CrossMax SX. I've fitted Ti rotor bolts but they save chuff all and were really fitted as the standard Hope ones are made of cheesium. The Hope floating rotors are now gone and the rear has been replaced with a 180mm Ashima AiRotor and the front with a 203mm Avid G3 which probably weighs more than the Hope but at least it fits with the Mavic rims! If the rear Ashima proves it's worth I'll get one for the front. I've also fitted a kevlar Maxxis Minion DHR 2.35 to the front and a Schwalbe Nobby Nic Evo Snakeskin to the rear. The DMR Mag pedals have gone and been replaced with some Podium Point1s.

    All that is left to do is either get some Float 36RC2s or swap out the crown for a tapered version. My stantions are scratched so I need to do something anyway at some point!

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    33 pounds with that build?, are you in America?, ive noticed that bikes almost always weigh less in America. so maybe thats it
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    Nope, the UK. It's 33lbs on the nose, promise.

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    I had a very similiar build only differences i can think was dhx/ti spring....721 rims, saint cranks and a diabolous seatpost...it weighed 38 lbs with 2.5 maxxis high rollers ghetto tubeless

    the weights I hear people claiming on here just make me go HMMMMM
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    Hmmm all you like. That's what it weighs.

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    Same here...

    Quote Originally Posted by dans160
    Hmmm all you like. That's what it weighs.
    Very similar build on my SS comes in at around 34lbs and drops to 32 when I swap out the wheelset for trail rides.

    - Frame: Large Works w/135mm dropouts
    - Shock: Fox DHX 5.0 w/Ti coil
    - Fork: Fox Vanilla 36RC
    - Headset: Chris King Devo
    - Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    - Wheels: Mavic D3.1 (same as 823s) w/Chris King HD hubs and fun bolts
    - Tires: Kenda 2.5 Blue Groove/2.35 Nevegal (DTC rubber with XC tubes)
    - Brakes: Avid Elixir CR w/8" rotors
    - Cranks: Shimano XTR 165mm w/E.13 chain ring and guide
    - Shifting: SRAM X.9
    - Bars: Easton EA70 lo-rise
    - Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    - Seatpost: Thomson
    - Saddle: T.H.E.
    - Grips: Red Intense ODI Lock-Ons
    - Pedals: Crank Bros 5050XX

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustyOne
    33 pounds with that build?, are you in America?, ive noticed that bikes almost always weigh less in America. so maybe thats it
    What are you, anti-American, with a USA-made bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MondoRides
    Very similar build on my SS comes in at around 34lbs and drops to 32 when I swap out the wheelset for trail rides.

    - Frame: Large Works w/135mm dropouts
    - Shock: Fox DHX 5.0 w/Ti coil
    - Fork: Fox Vanilla 36RC
    - Headset: Chris King Devo
    - Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    - Wheels: Mavic D3.1 (same as 823s) w/Chris King HD hubs and fun bolts
    - Tires: Kenda 2.5 Blue Groove/2.35 Nevegal (DTC rubber with XC tubes)
    - Brakes: Avid Elixir CR w/8" rotors
    - Cranks: Shimano XTR 165mm w/E.13 chain ring and guide
    - Shifting: SRAM X.9
    - Bars: Easton EA70 lo-rise
    - Stem: Thomson X4 70mm
    - Seatpost: Thomson
    - Saddle: T.H.E.
    - Grips: Red Intense ODI Lock-Ons
    - Pedals: Crank Bros 5050XX
    34.5 lbs
    Frame: Medium Works w/ 135mm dropouts
    Shock: Elka w/ Ti coil
    Fork: 1.5" RS Lyric Solo-Air w/ 2010 DH Damper
    Headset: Cane Creek 110 1.5"
    Wheels: DT Swiss 240 rear laced to Mavic 819, Hope 20mm front laced to Stans Flow
    Tires: Schwalbe Big Betty 2.4 EVO front, Schwalbe Fat Albert EVo rear (both mounted tubeless)
    Brakes: Avid Elixir 5 (185 front, 160 rear)
    Cranks: Shimano SLX w/ Dark Cycles bash
    Shifters: SRAM XO Grips
    Guide: E.13 DS
    FD: SRAM X5
    RD: SRAM XO med cage
    Stem: 1.5 Sunline V1 50mm
    Bar: Sunline V1 19mm Rise, uncut
    Seatpost: GD 1,4" Drop
    Saddle: WTB SomethingOrOther
    Pedals: Dark Cycles Archnid

    I don't see losing any weight on my bike without sacrificing performance.

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    Large SS works finish 135mm dropouts
    Bos Stoy shock with Bos 450lb spring
    2010 Fox Van RC2 FIT
    2010 Mavic Crossmax SX wheelset with BETD 12mm axle
    Maxxis Minion Kevlar DHF 2.35 on the front
    Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.25 Evo Snakeskin at the rear
    XT 11-32 cassette
    Hope Mono M4s with Mini levers
    Thomson X4 70mm stem
    Thomson 367mm layback post, Hope seatpost clamp
    SDG Bel Air RL Ti saddle
    XTR M970 cranks, E13 32t chainring, Gamut P20 Chain device
    CK BB
    CK devolution headset
    ODI lockon grips
    SRAM XO shortcage mech, KCNC Jockey wheels
    SRAM XO shifter
    Sunline V2 bars
    Ashima AiRotor 203mm/180mm (yet to fit the 203mm to the front)
    Hope titanium rotor bolts
    Point1 podium pedals

    I'd say pretty much perfect although I would love to try a CCDB and some floats out front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    What are you, anti-American, with a USA-made bike?
    Whats this "A-M-E--R-I-C-A-N" and "U-S-A"., somewheres in China maybe???



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    Quote Originally Posted by other aardvark
    Whats this "A-M-E--R-I-C-A-N" and "U-S-A"., somewheres in China maybe???
    Don't get whatever joke you are trying to make...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    Don't get whatever joke you are trying to make...
    Sorry, not having a go at you mate, its just the term "anti American" and a certain amount of inherent significance that goes with it.

    I just realized that I have never heard the anti thing used in reference to any other english speaking country. If you said to an Ozzie "your anti Australia" they would probably shrug there shoulders wondering what the hell your on about. Once again no offense intended, its just something just that tickled my ironic sense of humor. I dont usually troll around the forums making smart a$$ remarks.


    Just getting kinda back on topic, I noticed a few people trail ride their Slope Styles. How do you go regarding getting a good saddle position with the very slack seat tube angle and the compact frame? Is it actually possible to get a comfortable position for climbing???
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    Quote Originally Posted by other aardvark
    I noticed a few people trail ride their Slope Styles. How do you go regarding getting a good saddle position with the very slack seat tube angle and the compact frame? Is it actually possible to get a comfortable position for climbing???

    The SS1 has a 74 deg seat angle and is very pedal-able.

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    Quote Originally Posted by other aardvark
    Sorry, not having a go at you mate, its just the term "anti American" and a certain amount of inherent significance that goes with it.

    I just realized that I have never heard the anti thing used in reference to any other english speaking country. If you said to an Ozzie "your anti Australia" they would probably shrug there shoulders wondering what the hell your on about.
    Here in the US, if someone makes derogatory comments about Americans (especially from outside the country), most would consider that person to be anti-American or hold anti-American views.

    Quote Originally Posted by other aardvark
    Just getting kinda back on topic, I noticed a few people trail ride their Slope Styles. How do you go regarding getting a good saddle position with the very slack seat tube angle and the compact frame? Is it actually possible to get a comfortable position for climbing???
    I tried to convert my SS into a trail bike after getting a full DH bike. 33lb with Talas 36 and AM tires. But I eventually gave up. Couldn't keep up with XC guys climbing. Doesn't pedal that well in the granny, and worse if you lowered the fork. Fine for fireroad climbs, but not for anything epic. I was so tired by the time that I caught up with my buddies that my DH suffered on the way down. I ended up getting a real trail bike (Banshee Spitfire).

    Put more FR parts on my SS, and now it shines as a mini-DH/FR bike (plus new powerdercoat and stickers). 35lb at current build, and probably 37lb with 2-ply DH tires. Took it to a flowy non-gnarly DH trail over the weekend. Had no problems keeping up with guys on DH bikes with DC forks, SS jumped better, and passed them up on short uphill climbs.

    I am probably going to put shock eyelet bearings, get the upcoming Cane Creek adjustable headset to slacken it out more, and possibly get a longer travel fork. Maybe get the shock Pushed as well. And the new single ply Minions when my tires wear out.
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    I have mine at 33.5 lbs with a 2010 RP23 boostvalve and a 2010 Totem DH coil. The rear shock makes it easy to ride and climb with, but it is certainly not a trail bike. It does pedal well, but a 5x5 type bike like my Fluid is head and shoulders above for 4 hour or so rides.

    But, for going downhill fast and jumping the SS can't be beat! The trade off is worth it in that respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    Here in the US, if someone makes derogatory comments about Americans (especially from outside the country), most would consider that person to be anti-American or hold anti-American views.
    Nothing like seeing things in black and white!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    What are you, anti-American, with a USA-made bike?
    Nah, I have some great friends In CA and OR...........But all nations have certain traits and characteristics as im sure you know.

    DON'T TELL ME I'M STILL ON THAT FECKIN' ISLAND! ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    Here in the US, if someone makes derogatory comments about Americans (especially from outside the country), most would consider that person to be anti-American or hold anti-American views.P.
    Yeah, Im very clear on that point.



    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    tried to convert my SS into a trail bike after getting a full DH bike. 33lb with Talas 36 and AM tires. But I eventually gave up. Couldn't keep up with XC guys climbing. Doesn't pedal that well in the granny, and worse if you lowered the fork. Fine for fireroad climbs, but not for anything epic. I was so tired by the time that I caught up with my buddies that my DH suffered on the way down. I ended up getting a real trail bike (Banshee Spitfire).
    P.
    Each to there own, some people ride full blown DH rigs trail riding but I wouldn't bother.

    So now there are new versions of the SS and Uzzi available Im wondering what the devision of intended purpose of each is. I know this is a silly question but I dont think most SSes get ridden on dedicated slope style tracks. Also to me the Uzzi doesn't seem to be a monster free ride rig, but its definitely more than a AM bike to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrustyOne
    Nah, I have some great friends In CA and OR...........But all nations have certain traits and characteristics as im sure you know.

    Ho hum ...

    Here's my very nice Tracer whiuch weighs 31.7 pounds and is a very nice product of the USA.

    ps dont know where the mop and bucket was made but its pretty good to
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    Mine trail rides fine and climbs pretty well to. I was first up the final climb at Coed y Brenin at the weekend ahead of the XC based bikes in the group and I've only got a single ring which is more the limiting factor to my bikes ability to get up the hills rather than any pedalling efficiency issues. Granted a proper XC bike will manage the technical ups much better than the SS but then it should and I've not found it to be much worse than my previous Tracer.

    The riding position is superb, I just use layback post to help out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dans160

    The riding position is superb, I just use layback post to help out.
    So you say a layback post puts you in a better position? Just asking because I have an Uzzi in the way and have been considering if I should get a layback or 0 setback post for it (with pedalling in mind)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dropadrop
    So you say a layback post puts you in a better position? Just asking because I have an Uzzi in the way and have been considering if I should get a layback or 0 setback post for it (with pedalling in mind)...
    How tall are you, how long are your arms, what's your preference etc? It works for me but if you are not sure try both, I'm sure your lbs would let you try before you buy.

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    I'm 190cm with fairly long arms. I do think a set back post on a size L Uzzi would probably put my upper body in a very comfortable position (if my Tracer is anything to go by), but I'm just wondering how much further behind the BB I would end up compared to the Tracer (and what that would do to pedalling efficiency).

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    Interesting subject. I've got a version 1 Slopestyle as well.

    Mine weighs 34.5lbs.

    Spec is:

    Mk1 SS medium in raw finish
    Fox DHX5 (steel spring)
    Fox 36 Van RC2
    Hope 1.5 reducer headset
    Sunline V-one bar and stem
    KS/Pure racing post
    Selle Italia SLR saddle
    Avid Code brakes (185f/160r)
    Hope BB
    Race Face Atlas FR cranks
    E13 LG1
    E13 36T guide ring
    Superstar Ultra mag pedals
    X9 shifter and mech
    DT swiss E2200 wheels
    Maxxis Minion Single Ply 2.35 tyres.

    A few bits are heavy - most obviously the brakes and seat post which I could save around 1lb if I switched to lighter/non adjustable parts, but the seatpost is worth the weight and I like super powerful brakes.

    I think 33-35lbs is the ideal weight for these bikes. Any heavier and you loose the nimbleness, any lighter and you compromise strength and they start to feel skittish.

    I have used my SS in every discipline - 6 hour XC rides in the Swiss Alps, DH days in Pila/Verbier/Chatel, dirt jumps, etc. Its not the fastest bike on the climbs, but if I can manage 3km technical climbs and 8km road climbs in the Alps on it with a 36T ring then I can ride it as it is here in the UK.

    My suggestion would be to leave the components (including the fork) as they are, but have a light set of wheels for long XC use.

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    You could lose half a pound on the spring, a bit more on the fork (going air) and another half a pound on the cranks. The EX1750 is probably close to as strong as the E2200 and a pound less... So I do think 33 would be fairly easily attainable, but it's a completely different question if it would be worth the price.

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    I wouldnt go for air forks on a bike like the SS - In my opinion, the coils offer a plusher ride.

    Floats never seem to acheive full travel - I have a set of 32 Floats on my XC bike and only get 122mm of the claimed 140mm travel, a friend has 32 Float FIT 150 forks and is lucky if he gets 125mm travel, and another guy I ride with uses 36 floats and has the same problem.

    I guess its natural due to air ramping up at the end of its stroke, but I find it annoying that they claim a certain amount of travel which simply isnt acheivable due to using air.

    The EX1750 are a fantastic wheelset and do weigh less than my E2200's whilst being almost as strong.....they also cost twice the price. I have a Hope Pro2/Mavic 317 wheelset as well which I use for long XC rides. The two wheels sets combined still cost less than one set of the EX1750's.

    I could lose weight in the crank area and its something I have thought about, but due to saving around 200g by switching to XTR or something, I doubt I would notice the difference due to the weight being in the centre of the bike and the cost - I'd rather go for a Ti spring instead for a similar weight saving and cheaper cost than getting lighter cranks.

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    I swapped out my rear shock for a Monarch 4.2, and the 36 Van RC2 for a Lyric Solo Air 170 DH. Just set up ghetto tubeless as well with some 2.25 Schwalbe Fat Alberts. Haven't weighed it since the tubeless conversion, but before that it was right at 34.5 lbs. Not bad. Also grabbed an Elka Stage 5 for DH duty. The Monarch does surprisingly well for 90% of my riding with the SS, just shreddy trail duty.

    However I think I'm with Cableguy in the end. Ultimately I'd love to put a 50mm stem on, some DH rubber, and just make the SS a dedicated mini-DH/jump park bike. Unfortunately that means I have to drop a bunch of money on a new, real trail bike - something like a Spitfire, ASR5, etc.





    Quote Originally Posted by Cable0guy
    I tried to convert my SS into a trail bike after getting a full DH bike. 33lb with Talas 36 and AM tires. But I eventually gave up. Couldn't keep up with XC guys climbing. Doesn't pedal that well in the granny, and worse if you lowered the fork. Fine for fireroad climbs, but not for anything epic. I was so tired by the time that I caught up with my buddies that my DH suffered on the way down. I ended up getting a real trail bike (Banshee Spitfire).

    Put more FR parts on my SS, and now it shines as a mini-DH/FR bike (plus new powerdercoat and stickers). 35lb at current build, and probably 37lb with 2-ply DH tires. Took it to a flowy non-gnarly DH trail over the weekend. Had no problems keeping up with guys on DH bikes with DC forks, SS jumped better, and passed them up on short uphill climbs.

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