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    Nice bike!

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    You are in for such a treat. This is one of the best trail/ all mountsin bikes out there.

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    Great looking bike, I like the build and the 160 fork. It is interesting that in your part of the world they support frame only, but it is close to impossible to get a frame only here in the states. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursavage View Post
    Stoked to try out my new Recluse this weekend. Rode a mates one and then again on a demo day and loved it! Upgrading from a 2010 Turner 5 Spot. I'm based in New Zealand and the distributor supports frame only... so why not!
    Sweet looking build. What water bottle / tool bottle are you running? I need to find a water bottle to fit mine. I was thinking the YT Thirstmaster 3000 that they use for the YT Jeffsy might work. Anyone know?
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    Chainline question... Just picked up a Recluse Elite and I'm having some issues with the chainline, at least that's what I think the problem is. I'm getting a lot of drivetrain noise when in the low gears and if I backpedal, even a little bit, the chain drops down three to four gears. When examined closely the I notice the chain moves off the chainring first when backpedaling.

    My bike has the E13 46t cassette and I'm running the Next SL Crank with no spacers on the drive side. I've tried an Absolute Black oval ring and a round Raceface ring with no success. The AB ring has more offset somiwas thinking that would help. Visually the chainline looks off-too far inboard at the cassette.

    Any ideas? Have others seen a similar issue? Thanks. Can't wait to ride this beast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by playinVT View Post
    Chainline question... Just picked up a Recluse Elite and I'm having some issues with the chainline, at least that's what I think the problem is. I'm getting a lot of drivetrain noise when in the low gears and if I backpedal, even a little bit, the chain drops down three to four gears. When examined closely the I notice the chain moves off the chainring first when backpedaling.

    My bike has the E13 46t cassette and I'm running the Next SL Crank with no spacers on the drive side. I've tried an Absolute Black oval ring and a round Raceface ring with no success. The AB ring has more offset somiwas thinking that would help. Visually the chainline looks off-too far inboard at the cassette.

    Any ideas? Have others seen a similar issue? Thanks. Can't wait to ride this beast!
    Did you get my message on Pinkbike? The drivetrain noise is due to the 2-piece E13 cassette. They now offer a shim kit for this also I would normally grease the contact points on the cassette ever 2 months or 100 miles. The noise is more prominent in the lower gears because of the torque and these are the chromoly steel gears, the taller gears are aluminum.

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    While on the bike you should be able to do at a half rotation without the chain dropping.

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    Handled the biggest drop I've ever done just fine:


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    Quote Originally Posted by _Neo View Post
    Handled the biggest drop I've ever done just fine:

    Hell yea!

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    Awesome! Well done!!! This thing drops and jumps like a feather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Neo View Post
    Handled the biggest drop I've ever done just fine:

    That drop is on my list for tomorrow!

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    Interesting review. Like many not too glowing but not awful either. Pedal kickback and the bike being more suited to smooth flowey trails not what I wanted to hear.

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    I think it is fairly accurate. The one thing I don't experience though is the drawback of the pedal kickback. I run a 32T oval ring which may help here too. I did all shuttle top to bottom runs on Burke Mountain with the recluse. These are fairly chunky and at times steep DH runs. Compared to the uzzi which is more point and shoot you are more active on the recluse as you have to pay attention where you put the wheels. It's more like floating over the rough than plowing through it. It's a lot of fun even if it's not the fastest way down it is very thrilling as you have so much control and precision. Also it's the best technical climber I have ever seen and a great sprinter. I found the review from the Bible of Bikes to come closest to my experience with the bike. I am currently on a coil which added a lot of suppleness at a cost of some agility.

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    I have serious reservations about Andre's "suspension analysis" graph.

    Are you really interested in the Anti-Squat (%) while using the 10T cog?

    "Anti-squat values range between 120-130% on bigger cogs and peak at 200% on smaller cogs, which is excessive. High anti-squat values can cause extension of the suspension under hard pedaling."

    Seriously, people. This is a Mountain Bike, not a Road Bike. I will not be going uphill on a flat surface road at 25 MPH trying to keep up with the rest of the pack. In fact, going downhill on a hardpack road is the only time I use the 10T cog. Is that a situation where I will be concerned about anti-squat?

    I call BS on this analysis being applicable to the mountain biking I experience.

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    PS If you are the type who tries to keep up with the skinny-framed, non-suspension road bikes as they race up a smooth road, you could experience some difficulty with pedal efficiency if you do not have a good suspension lock-out system. Other than that, I see no relevance to a VPP suspension.

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    I've had people try to show me a spreadsheet on their phone that their bike was better than mine, or tell me they would never ride this design or that one because of something but they could never back it up with skills to merit that their favorite bike was so much better. If you took the top 50 bikes of today and rode number 50 back to back with number 1 from five years ago I bet today's 50 would blow it away. Some people just hate to think there a bike out there that's .0001% better than the one they are riding. I ride with a few guys that are on 6-7 year old bikes that are in serous need of upgrade or at the very lest service and can smoke me out on the trail on any given day. That makes me want to become a better rider not want a better bike. But anyways I bet the recluse is in the top 50 of today, maybe top 10

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    There is a place for engineering analysis up to a point. Similar to suggested Sag settings on a bike, it provides a decent starting point when looking at bikes if you have any idea what they mean (which most people don't). After that you have to get on the bikes to see how all the forces work together and then make a final decision. Intense seems to be focusing their designs outside of the "standard". Both the Recluse and Tracer have non standard suspension designs/leverage ratios. It is not a bad thing and really the only way to get ahead of the curve. Otherwise they would just be following everyone else.

    Also, just because they finished the curve doesn't mean the person doing the analysis thinks it's relevant. They are just showing all of the data. If it didn't show the 10T people would be crying about that.

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    Agreed with those 2. ^^

    Reviews are great as are data from analysis but none of that accounts for much until you get a solid ride on the bike to determine what that data means to you.

    I see a lot of people riding bikes that the media has slammed yet those riders seem to be having a blast and say they love their bikes.....

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    Unfortunately for a lot of us we have to purchase five or six grand plus bikes without being able to demo them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Unfortunately for a lot of us we have to purchase five or six grand plus bikes without being able to demo them.
    Good point...

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    OK seriously. Is it even possible to have a water bottle with the X2/ piggyback shock?!?
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    The internet sounds like a tough place to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Unfortunately for a lot of us we have to purchase five or six grand plus bikes without being able to demo them.
    I'm usually buying a bike before there are any reviews or online comments. But I do get shop deals but I'm still forking over my money give the the shop customers, other employees and fellow MTBR brothers my thoughts on bike shawg. I try to have every one ride a bike before they buy it. But we kind of know how a bike is going to ride before we buy it, right? Well some times. The numbers don't tell the whole story do they and sometimes a trate of the bikes handling comes out of left field that we hate and can't adjust with component change. This fall a customer was pumped to order and buy the new trek fuel EX 27.5 plus wheels/tires. He couldn't adjust his riding to the low BB, we tried putting 29ers on it to raise the BB, longer fork, but he still hated it for how he rides a bike. He was a retired pro XC rider, very strong but never really learned how to carry speed and pump on/over chunky section on trail. He would smash his peddles/cranks and went over the bars. Funny thing was he rode it before he bought it and loved and raved about how well it handled. I thought the fuel EX was a demon going DH with 29 wheels but to each his own. Than he ordered a HighTower and has been in love with it.

    Wilks are you in the New England area? I'm sure I can get you on a recluse med/large for a day or two.

    I'm kind of surprised that there has been a few reviews that the recluse is harsh on chunky stuff. Ya it's only got 140 mm in the back. I wonder if that's what they are comparing it to other bikes of its kind. If I was comparing it to the SC Bronson I'd say the Bronson was over more plush and a little more active climbing. But I felt the recluse peddled with more energy and firmness and had had more of a ramp up on larger impacts. I liked around 25-30% sag with a little more high speed compression. I think this bike is tailor made for a coil shock. I can't wait to hear when someone drops the coin a Push 11-6 but I bet a fox coil is all you'd need
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    I'm close to the NY border but in NJ. A lot of our terrain is similar to somewhere like Lynn Woods. I had Turner 5 Spots for several years. 140mm is fine particularly with stout wheels and a 36. I've a few friends on Primers but none on a Recluse.

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    I have owned a Recluse for 2 months now and agree with what has been posted above. It is an interesting review, but people who buy bikes based on a suspension curve graph make my head spin. I rode 6 or 7 different bikes to see how they worked for me, on the trails I ride and then made the choice to plunk down the $$$$. I bought a bike one time without demo'ing it, I hated it, could never get the suspension right for me, and sold it in under 10 weeks. That was a waste of time and money, not to mention what my wife had to say.

    I live in Colorado and it is a great bike for here. We climb a lot and that was something I really noticed when I demo'ed the Recluse, the bike climbs well. I rode other bikes that descended like an 18 wheeler who lost it's breaks, but they did not climb well.

    My 2 beefs with the bike are the water bottle bolts, which are a insult, as you cannot fit anything in there, and the fact they generally only sell complete bikes in the US (I did not like their build kits)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgauss View Post
    I have owned a Recluse for 2 months now and agree with what has been posted above. It is an interesting review, but people who buy bikes based on a suspension curve graph make my head spin. I rode 6 or 7 different bikes to see how they worked for me, on the trails I ride and then made the choice to plunk down the $$$$. I bought a bike one time without demo'ing it, I hated it, could never get the suspension right for me, and sold it in under 10 weeks. That was a waste of time and money, not to mention what my wife had to say.

    I live in Colorado and it is a great bike for here. We climb a lot and that was something I really noticed when I demo'ed the Recluse, the bike climbs well. I rode other bikes that descended like an 18 wheeler who lost it's breaks, but they did not climb well.

    My 2 beefs with the bike are the water bottle bolts, which are a insult, as you cannot fit anything in there, and the fact they generally only sell complete bikes in the US (I did not like their build kits)
    Frame only options are available.

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    Maybe they have more inventory in now, and it has changed, but they have not been willing to sell frame sets in the US for newer models. I sensed that for new bikes they only want to do complete builds, sure every now and then they may let a frame go, as they did have frame only pricing. Once a model has been out for a while, then they will sell frame only. They may now be selling Primer and Recluse frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy View Post
    OK seriously. Is it even possible to have a water bottle with the X2/ piggyback shock?!?
    Anyone?
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    The internet sounds like a tough place to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy View Post
    Anyone?
    I've got no chance of fitting a bottle to a medium Recluse with a DVO Topaz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursavage View Post
    Stoked to try out my new Recluse this weekend. Rode a mates one and then again on a demo day and loved it! Upgrading from a 2010 Turner 5 Spot. I'm based in New Zealand and the distributor supports frame only... so why not!

    Custom Recluse Build
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    Frame = Large Recluse
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    Is that a YT thirstmaster bottle and cage?
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    Any 0.4L bottle from CamelbaK fits. Those kids bottles actually go nicely with a side loading cage. I use it all the time for shorter rides

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    Can anyone post long term review of this bike? I'm looking on Recluse as a replacement for my Tracer 275C 2015 and would like to hear some review of owners.

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    Amazed that this thread has had no significant info added for almost 6 months? What happened?

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    One year and over 1600 Miles on a Recluse pro. Fork with the Grip damper set to 160mm and rear shock is Performance Float X2. My wheels are the stock alloy Mavics. I ride predominantly tight New England trails with lots of rocky trails,, granite features, sudden steep elevation changes, and drops.

    First, the frame is stout having withstood all the riding. The pivots are solid without any play and have not required any adjustments, and this also is consistent with the general very stiff feel of the frame, which hasnít become loose at all from what I detect. The frame tracks very well, the best Iíve experienced. I think the only other frame that Iíve owned that could equal th Recluse is my older freeride bike a Nicolai AFR, and that was a 200mm bike. The rigidity of the frame gives a crisp handling and power transmission feel and instant response when manhandling with the arms and upper body movement. It just responds quick. The short chain stays probably contributes to this. I can quickly lift the front end and change directions.

    The rear suspension is not plush, not like a Horst or a single pivot or like my Spartan with its concentric design. Comparing it to bikes Iíve owned. It is not a plow bike. It is not a sit and let it do all the work kind of rear. Itís more taut, firm. Iíd compare it to a toned runner. At times with repeated hits or single big hits the rear feels hard but NOT HARSH. Never harsh. Itís more of a cruise with some pinging over rocks actively while maintaining control. Not a sit and let the bike do rock crushing. As such, the rider needs to be alert and active. I think there has been in the press reviews that have commented on the harder quality of the suspension. It took me a few months to grow into loving this quality. Maybe I misunderstood it at first owning this bike but now I can understand what Intense may have been getting at with this tune. Another benefit I find is it lends to active pedaling with this taut suspension.

    Climbing. So very good! A star climber. While itís not a track every nook to seek traction kind of bike like my Spartan. It gives differently. Maybe from the high antisquat, during hard power efforts on smooth or choppy terrain, the rear will stabilize itself down on what ever it contacts. I have not found it to break traction and skip off of rocks because of high antisquat.

    The feel of this VPP does retain, in a distant way, some characteristics as my old VPP of my Intense 6.6. and gen 2 Nomad. When compressing, I still feel very, very slightly the suspension elongating as is known of VPP. In terms of pedaling feedback, itís still there. Like a wisp of it. Kind of subtle and detectable if you concentrate on it. Otherwise, both things are nonissues. The Generation 1 VPP was obnoxious in the above but now, things have come so far, thereís no practical interference at all. In comparison to my first Mojo HD, the DW link suspension was most neutral when it came to rear suspension feedback. Small potatoes though.

    High speed stability. Iíve taken his bike downhill 25 to 30+ mph. At those speeds, in many occasion I tried swinging the bike side to side, it was then I felt that my other current bike the Spartan was less skittish. I donít know if this feeling is actually a indication that he bike is less stable or not however. I donít have any very high speed DH flow trails so I canít fully make a judgement on this.

    Components: the Next cranks broke on me and raceface replaced it with a gen 4 NEXt crank. So far itís been good. The Mavic wheels Elite XA: sort of narrow but acceptable. I tore open the rear hub on an abrupt G-out at the bottom of a roll. The crack looked like the San Andreas fault and the internal pawls fell out. I donít know how durable these wheels are overall but that was the worst hub event ever for me, though I did destroy two other Reynolds hubs earlier in the year as well. The Fox 36 with GRIP damper is inferior to an older Float 36 Fit I have. Main issue is the fork tends to dive and the pressures needed to prevent this will then cause the fork to ride too firmly. Lose-lose situation.

    Well thatís my experience with the Recluse. Oh, one last item. The rear suspension is pretty stout. It will even with grace take drops to flat. Seems to ramp up and is not easily bottomed. I have bottomed out the rear butI have not experienced a harsh hit when it does so. Strong rear end. Good for aggressive riding despite only being 140mm.

    The durability of the frame exterior finish is excellent. The rubber grommets (?) that hold the entry and exit points of the cables are not holding up too well. I may need to get them replaced. The headset stayed smooth for 9 months of riding. And the cheap piece of rubber thatís glued on which serves as a downtube protector long fell off from.

    Hope this helps. Let me know any questions.

    Cheers

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    Thanks R=F, exactly what I was looking for.

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    Thanks for that review, honest and informative.

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    Wondering if anyone has had problems with the Intense-branded carbon rims? I'm fairly light(150 Lbs.) and I've now broken four spokes on both front and rear wheels. Generally I have zero history of having wheel issues in the past so this is unusual for sure.

    My mechanic is convinced that the spokes used are too short and not supporting the spoke nipples. This seems pretty plausible as the nipples are shearing off right at the rim. He's suggesting a rebuild with longer spokes. It would be great if Intense would cover this repair since it seems like the wheels weren't built properly.

    Thanks for any feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playinVT View Post
    Wondering if anyone has had problems with the Intense-branded carbon rims? I'm fairly light(150 Lbs.) and I've now broken four spokes on both front and rear wheels. Generally I have zero history of having wheel issues in the past so this is unusual for sure.

    My mechanic is convinced that the spokes used are too short and not supporting the spoke nipples. This seems pretty plausible as the nipples are shearing off right at the rim. He's suggesting a rebuild with longer spokes. It would be great if Intense would cover this repair since it seems like the wheels weren't built properly.

    Thanks for any feedback.
    Email Chad@IntenseCycles.com.

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    Thanks

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    Thanks for the link. Much appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playinVT View Post
    Wondering if anyone has had problems with the Intense-branded carbon rims? I'm fairly light(150 Lbs.) and I've now broken four spokes on both front and rear wheels. Generally I have zero history of having wheel issues in the past so this is unusual for sure.

    My mechanic is convinced that the spokes used are too short and not supporting the spoke nipples. This seems pretty plausible as the nipples are shearing off right at the rim. He's suggesting a rebuild with longer spokes. It would be great if Intense would cover this repair since it seems like the wheels weren't built properly.

    Thanks for any feedback.
    Jeni broke 2 spokes on separate occassions. She's only 115lbs. Same breakage point. Having to redo the tubeless tape each time is a pain. Nice rims otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    Jeni broke 2 spokes on separate occassions. She's only 115lbs. Same breakage point. Having to redo the tubeless tape each time is a pain. Nice rims otherwise.
    Bummer. It sounds like you might have a similar issue. If you happen to strip the rim tape again I'd be curious as to whether your spokes look too short as well. Rims are great! I agree. But not if the wheels are constantly out of commission. Thanks for the feedback.

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