2012 Fox 36 Van 160mm Rc2 (5.3 Lbs.)
Formula The One brakes F-203mm/R-180mm
Shimano XTR M980 cranks
Shimano XTR front derailleur
Shimano XTR M985 shadow plus rear derailleur
Shimano XTR shifters
Shimano XTR trail pedals
Sram XX 11-36 Cassette
Sram 1091-R chain
Industry Nine DH wheels laced to Stan’s flow rims; 142mm x 12mm
Specialized 2.3” Clutch SX tire in front (1,040 grams )
Maxxis Ardent 2.25" tire in the rear
Thomson Elite seat post
Point One Racing 50mm Stem
Deity Dirty 30" handlebars (soon to be replaced by Enve 31.5" DH carbon bars)
SDG formula FX saddle
Special thanks to BLACK ROCK BICYCLES in Reno, Nevada!!!
So jealous. Can you provide some feedback on how well the rear derailleur actually keeps the chain tensioned? What kind of trails do you normally ride, and at what pace? Very interested in this frame but I'm afraid that the lack of a tensioner would be a disaster in the choppy So Cal trails I ride (I've tried my Tracer VP several times without one and I throw chains just about immediately when I point down).
So jealous. Can you provide some feedback on how well the rear derailleur actually keeps the chain tensioned? What kind of trails do you normally ride, and at what pace? Very interested in this frame but I'm afraid that the lack of a tensioner would be a disaster in the choppy So Cal trails I ride (I've tried my Tracer VP several times without one and I throw chains just about immediately when I point down).
Sweet bike!
When I first saw the press release for the carbine I was really disappointed there were no ISCG 05 tabs; at the time it was a real deal breaker. Being a CAT 1 DH racer (I also have an M9,) I haven't ran a bike without a chain guide in at least 5 years.
Here is a little back story on the derailleur. I purchased a Tracer 2 about a month ago and decided to run the new XTR M-985 shadow plus rear derailleur. At the time I was having serious issues with my 10 speed Sram X0 setup and I had never ran Shimano. Needless to say the XTR M-985 derailleur has been nothing short of amazing. I rode some trails up in Tahoe that had some pretty gnarly rock gardens and the derailleur didn’t skip a beat. I have only had the chain drop from the big ring to small ring three times; once was during a crash. The derailleur has a built in adjustable clutch so I decided to increase the tension and I haven’t had any problems since.
Mind-blowing spec on that Carbine.
But....ummm.... Shouldn`t the first bike in a photo album be a little more low-key? Who`s gonna wanna post theirs after THAT rig?
On the other hand, I`m quite shocked at the weight: 30lbs? My Uzzi`s gonna be 30lbs when I put a Float on it this wknd.....
He's running some heavy ass tires, he could probably drop almost 2lbs going to something like a Non-UST Hi-Roller & running tubeless (about 670g each I think). Also running a coil fork fwiw.
Thanks for the complements guys!
Dopaminer: A 30 lbs uzzi sounds sweet. I had my uzzi down to 32lbs with the same heavy tires, CCDB and 180mm float (which I never liked.)
Bnorthro is right, I could easily drop 3 lbs. by running lighter tires, a float fork and lighter pedals. Since I am DHer at heart I prefer thicker tire casing and a plush fork. I have never owned a sub 30 Lbs bike. I was really concerned about being too light and getting pinballed on the downhill.
BTW, I took the carbine out on it's maiden voyage and it was amazing!!! I have never ridden a bike that pedals this well and still eats up the rocky downhill.
Quality build! I bet she rides like a dream! I've been pretty happy with the RP23's performance on the Carbines but can't help but wonder what a coil might feel like on the longer descents?
Love to hear the difference one perceives between a carbon Nomad and this bike. I am currently riding a Nomad c but like the idea of a lower bb height and the adjustable travel (I like the stiffer 5.5 setting I had on my old aluminum Blur LT for some riding). My concern is with side-to-side stiffness under pedaling (the Nomad c climbs like mad due to the stiffness, and tracks sooo well. I'd hate to give that up...and to be honest...may be a deal breaker for me). Love to hear the opinion of any experienced with BOTH bikes.
I ride in a technical area of BC (Southern Vancouver Island), and appreciate stiffness (we have to earn our descents, aggressive and challenging in both directions) and slack(ish) angles (fun when fast!). As well, I work at a shop that sells both Santa Cruz and Intense, but the Carbine is so new I won't see one before I expect to purchase it (my Nomad c frame is all but sold, and Canada is not expected to get Carbine frames for another month or so, as I've been told anyways), so I don't need to be told how great Ibis frames are, not going that direction
Last edited by sean wilson; 11-03-2011 at 03:00 PM.
I am really suprised at the weights on those Carbines. My T2 is 29.05 with 2x9 bash,guide, 2009 Float 36 RC2, angleset and RS Reverb.
Why are you surprised? The T2 frame weights approximately 2.25 Lbs more than the Carbine. My T2 was 33 Lbs. before I swapped all the parts, minus the CCDB w/steel spring and BB to my carbine. If I were to run IMO a sub par float fork which saves .8 Lbs over the Van w/ green spring, pinner XC tires (saves a little over 2 Lbs) and pedals that didn't weigh 520 grams, my carbine would easily weigh 26 Lbs. But, I am more concerned about how the bike performs on the Downhill.
I have seen plenty of 26Lbs NomadC's but IMO those are just XC builds on a AM/Light Free ride frame; pointless IMO.
Now if XC riding is your thing completey ignore the rant above
I hope the photo uploads, but I have a 27 and change Nomad c, size large with 1x10, Talus 36, Haven wheels (21 mm inner width), Hans Dampf tires, Havoc carbon bar (uncut)...well within the all-mountain definition, and have had the bike in the 26lbs range with single ply 2.35 Minions, (full disclosure: this is without a chainguide as the photo was taken before I added a Straightline guide, but will move to the new XTR r.der soon; and have the new Straightline AMP pedals which are a touch lighter than the MG1's pictured) so the "those are just XC builds on a AM/Light Free ride frame; pointless IMO." doesn't really stick. Going after a Carbine, which I believe to be lighter by a touch, so I got that going for me.
Originally Posted by Dwdrums00
Why are you surprised? The T2 frame weights approximately 2.25 Lbs more than the Carbine. My T2 was 33 Lbs. before I swapped all the parts, minus the CCDB w/steel spring and BB to my carbine. If I were to run IMO a sub par float fork which saves .8 Lbs over the Van w/ green spring, pinner XC tires (saves a little over 2 Lbs) and pedals that didn't weigh 520 grams, my carbine would easily weigh 26 Lbs. But, I am more concerned about how the bike performs on the Downhill.
I have seen plenty of 26Lbs NomadC's but IMO those are just XC builds on a AM/Light Free ride frame; pointless IMO.
Now if XC riding is your thing completey ignore the rant above
Why are you surprised? The T2 frame weights approximately 2.25 Lbs more than the Carbine. My T2 was 33 Lbs. before I swapped all the parts, minus the CCDB w/steel spring and BB to my carbine. If I were to run IMO a sub par float fork which saves .8 Lbs over the Van w/ green spring, pinner XC tires (saves a little over 2 Lbs) and pedals that didn't weigh 520 grams, my carbine would easily weigh 26 Lbs. But, I am more concerned about how the bike performs on the Downhill.
I have seen plenty of 26Lbs NomadC's but IMO those are just XC builds on a AM/Light Free ride frame; pointless IMO.
Now if XC riding is your thing completey ignore the rant above
I am suprised at how heavy they are. I was expecting around 27lbs with a nice build. I also don't see a Float being subpar to a Van, especially when you have an air rear shock.
It is a shame that Fox stopped making the 160mm 36s with the RC2 dampener, they should at least offer both like RS does with the Lyrik.
You can bring the Carbine easily to 23lbs like Dwdrums00 already mentioned.
all XX with only 160/160 disks
all Haven carbon parts or even lighter dt carbon rims with 190s and aerolights
eclipse tubes
CC tires like rocket ron or ikonf
Titan bolt tuning set for disks and shock.
remove the quickrelease on the fork.
etc.
Red Medium Frame
Fox 36 RLC 160mm
Full X0 Drive train
Crank Bro's Iodine 3 wheel set
Easton Havoc steam and carbon bar
Formula The Racing One Brakes
Rock Shox Reverb Seat Post
SDG Fly TI Seat
Maxxis Madusa UST tyres
Hey Dwdrums, have you ridden a tracer 2? I just had my first proper ride on one and couldn't believe the stiffness of the rear end. I did find the rear end a tiny bit too long. I am very interested in the carbine because of the shorter chain stay, but I have noticed it doesn't have the seat stay bridge like the tracer 2.
How do you find the carbine for rear end flex? Anyone else have experience on both bikes?
After riding the Carbine at Interbike, compared to my TracerVP, the whole bike is stiffer than a teenager on Viagra. Steering precision and corner carving are where it shines. With this in mind, and dropping nearly 2 lbs from my current sled, I feel like a teenager on Viagra.
Originally Posted by big bear
Hey Dwdrums, have you ridden a tracer 2? I just had my first proper ride on one and couldn't believe the stiffness of the rear end. I did find the rear end a tiny bit too long. I am very interested in the carbine because of the shorter chain stay, but I have noticed it doesn't have the seat stay bridge like the tracer 2.
How do you find the carbine for rear end flex? Anyone else have experience on both bikes?
Billy
Speed is sweet, it's like an avenue to... Shredtopia!
Big Bear: I own a T2 which is currently for sale. IMO the rear end of the T2 is SLIGHTLY stiffer than the carbine. I am running a 142 x 12 on both bikes and I9's laced to flow rims. To be honest the flow rims flex way before the rear end does. I also find the chain stays to be a little long on the T2; the chain stays on my carbine came out to approximately 16.8". I really love how the carbine manuals and jumps compared to the T2, the shorter chain stays make a massive difference. FWIW the chain stays on the carbine are significantly stiffer then my old Uzzi VP with Rev 3 rear end.
How tall are you? I'm most likely going to be ordering a Carbine quite soon. I'm riding a M Intense 5.5 and an M Uzzi VP at the moment. The 5.5 is perfect, but I've got the seat post on the Uzzi at the limit to get it high enough for climbing... the Uzzi is probably the only bike I have ridden where I feel a large might have been an option, wondering if I will feel the same about the Carbine.
How tall are you? I'm most likely going to be ordering a Carbine quite soon. I'm riding a M Intense 5.5 and an M Uzzi VP at the moment. The 5.5 is perfect, but I've got the seat post on the Uzzi at the limit to get it high enough for climbing... the Uzzi is probably the only bike I have ridden where I feel a large might have been an option, wondering if I will feel the same about the Carbine.
I am 6'1" and the large is perfect with a 80mm stem, from what I have seen people are going bigger frame & shorter stem.
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