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    Hey Sam or anyone one else in the know,

    What tune do I need on the Monarch 3 Plus to use on this bike?
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    Thank you for the very detailed response.
    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Sorry for my tardiness, but been on the road WAY TOO MUCH and way too little riding.

    Overall, I don't have enough time on the carbine for really say, but I feel so far pretty close. I believe with today's bikes being so efficient, that it really comes down to my fitness. I've been up and down since Feb. due to work and sickness. Both bikes are incredibly efficient. Over all flat and groomed trails, not a lot of that here in AZ, they are pretty close giving an edge to 429. Climbing long miles the 429 has a bit of an edge, but when it comes to the roughest terrain and descending the Carbine has the edge. This bike descends as well as my Session 88 that I had for a few years.

    Granted these bikes are set up quite differently, but they way about the same. 429 is 2x10 with 100mm in rear and 130mm in front, and the Carbine is 1x11 with 150mm in front.

    One of these days I'll be able to answer your question more thoroughly.

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    Had being riding with my C29 for a few weeks now and and my main view is that this bike needs a fit and strong rider to tame and master it. The bike rewards the rider if he/she puts in the focus and effort to go the distance. Descends on the Fox CTD Kashima shock and RockShox Pike are stable and instills confidence at speed. Climbing is a breeze with the pike and those monster truck wheels but you need to be fit to complete those steeper climbs. Tight cornering needs some practice but you will be fine once you get use to the long wheelbase and handling characteristics. Not an easy bike to get some air time but can be done with more concentrated practice.

    Modifications/fine tuning I did for ride improvement:-

    1) Shortened handlebars from 780mm to 740mm.
    2) Lowered the stem all the way down without spacers on the headtube.
    3) Slide saddle slightly forward.
    4) The Fox CTD Kashima rear shock is ok for now but see myself upgrading to the DBInline or DBairCS in the near future.

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    I feel like it likes to be in the air, without any effort. Much better than my ibis mojo. Imho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaseco View Post
    I feel like it likes to be in the air, without any effort. Much better than my ibis mojo. Imho
    I would agree, I have no problem getting airborne on this bike.
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    Got my first ride this morn with a new 30mm stem, and I have to say that it is a great upgrade!! I did 13 miles with 1500' climb and descent. I'm 6' on a large and this stem really helps me keep centered on the bike and weight on the front, without feeling like I'm going to head out of the front door on the steep, loose and chunky downs. The steering seems more agile and direct; I feel like I have a lighter grip and less force in steering. Anyway, the bike continues to impress me with all aspects of single track here in AZ. It's SO easy to ride and I truly feel like it can handle anything. The Fox Float CTD shock is actually pretty good compared to older models, BUT I'm going to go with something a little more plush. I'm trying to decide between the CCDB Air and the new RS Monarch Plus Debonair. I thought about the DB Inline, but reading more it's not going to produce the same results as the DB Air with CS. I've never used a Monarch Plus, but read good reviews; I'm just afraid it won't make enough difference to justify buying it. I can get the RS for about $150 less than the CCDB at my LBS, but I want the best result and tune ability for this bike, as I plan to start racing it next year. Anybody have any comments or advice on my decision?




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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Got my first ride this morn with a new 30mm stem, and I have to say that it is a great upgrade!! I did 13 miles with 1500' climb and descent. I'm 6' on a large and this stem really helps me keep centered on the bike and weight on the front, without feeling like I'm going to head out of the front door on the steep, loose and chunky downs. The steering seems more agile and direct; I feel like I have a lighter grip and less force in steering. Anyway, the bike continues to impress me with all aspects of single track here in AZ. It's SO easy to ride and I truly feel like it can handle anything. The Fox Float CTD shock is actually pretty good compared to older models, BUT I'm going to go with something a little more plush. I'm trying to decide between the CCDB Air and the new RS Monarch Plus Debonair. I thought about the DB Inline, but reading more it's not going to produce the same results as the DB Air with CS. I've never used a Monarch Plus, but read good reviews; I'm just afraid it won't make enough difference to justify buying it. I can get the RS for about $150 less than the CCDB at my LBS, but I want the best result and tune ability for this bike, as I plan to start racing it next year. Anybody have any comments or advice on my decision?




    Your bike looks amazing! Thanks for the pics. I almost got one but couldn't decide on the right size, I'm 6'1" and dont like a TT that much over 24" so i kind of fell in the middle. I've never seen a 35mm stem for a single crown, thats cool. Have you spent any time on the carbine 26 or 27.5? How it compared to the 29er.

    How long have you had the Derbys? I just got some 275 for my T275
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Got my first ride this morn with a new 30mm stem, and I have to say that it is a great upgrade!! I did 13 miles with 1500' climb and descent. I'm 6' on a large and this stem really helps me keep centered on the bike and weight on the front, without feeling like I'm going to head out of the front door on the steep, loose and chunky downs. The steering seems more agile and direct; I feel like I have a lighter grip and less force in steering. Anyway, the bike continues to impress me with all aspects of single track here in AZ. It's SO easy to ride and I truly feel like it can handle anything. The Fox Float CTD shock is actually pretty good compared to older models, BUT I'm going to go with something a little more plush. I'm trying to decide between the CCDB Air and the new RS Monarch Plus Debonair. I thought about the DB Inline, but reading more it's not going to produce the same results as the DB Air with CS. I've never used a Monarch Plus, but read good reviews; I'm just afraid it won't make enough difference to justify buying it. I can get the RS for about $150 less than the CCDB at my LBS, but I want the best result and tune ability for this bike, as I plan to start racing it next year. Anybody have any comments or advice on my decision?




    Bike looks great!! You should also consider the BOS Kirk for a shock option... it transformed my Carbine. Very good shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I've never seen a 35mm stem for a single crown, thats cool.
    I put a 35mm Hope stem on my Carbine 29 and like it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Your bike looks amazing! Thanks for the pics. I almost got one but couldn't decide on the right size, I'm 6'1" and dont like a TT that much over 24" so i kind of fell in the middle. I've never seen a 35mm stem for a single crown, thats cool. Have you spent any time on the carbine 26 or 27.5? How it compared to the 29er.

    How long have you had the Derbys? I just got some 275 for my T275
    Hey thanks, I can't take credit for the looks, I just build it with mostly black components to allow the beautiful frame that Intense made stick out. Yeah, I originally bought a Carbine frame with the 27.5 drop outs at the same time back in DEC 2012. I had been running a 650b wheel on the front of my Firebird and didn't want to build a rear until I had a frame I KNEW it would fit in. I rode the it as 26 for a few weeks while build rear wheel and then as a 27.5 until April '13. I finally found a 29er that I liked and had 26 geo, so as to not feel like riding way up high. Also was looking to go with less suspension to cool my jets, as I'm not a 20 y.o. and my job depends on my limbs working, but also be able to ride the AZ terrain comfortably. Anyway, went to sell the Carbine and while cleaning it, found what I thought might be a hairline crack in the lower front part of DS chain stay. Without question, Sam at Intense said send to us and we'll replace it. It was going to be a couple months until I could get a large black frame, so I asked about the 29 and they said no prob. I told myself that I would just build it and test before selling it. Well, the bike is TOO AMAZING to sell, and I plan on keeping it. I loved the carbine 275, but had too many injuries from DHing on my Session and had decided it was time to chill. 275 is a great wheel size IMO, especially in techy terrain, but 29 is even better with the newer generation geometry that has taken hold. Intense didn't miss a beat with this Carbine model!! I built the Derby rims back in Nov. and couldn't be happier with them. I built them with DTS 350 hubs and DB spokes; Wheel set came out at 1910 grams and are bomb proof so far. Perfect match for the Carbine. A little lighter would be better obviously, but I don't notice the weight and pedal it uphill all day with a 30t X01 setup.

    Quote Originally Posted by gretch View Post
    Bike looks great!! You should also consider the BOS Kirk for a shock option... it transformed my Carbine. Very good shock.
    Thanks for the input; I checked it out and seems as though it would be quite good. BUT, @ $720 I'm not a buyer. I get a nice discount from my LBS and I think I'm going to wait for the CC DB Inline to be available next month. I ridden the CCDB on my buddies Enduro and it's just plain amazing. I want the tune ability, but don't really want to add 3/4 of a pound to the bike, so the DB IL I thinks is the solution. Bike currently weighs 28lbs 5oz.
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    What stem are you coming from? Stock 50mm? I'm 5'11" with a longish torso riding the large. I'm scared to try a medium, because it might feel better and I don't want to try to sell this for another one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaseco View Post
    What stem are you coming from? Stock 50mm? I'm 5'11" with a longish torso riding the large. I'm scared to try a medium, because it might feel better and I don't want to try to sell this for another one!
    I built from frame up and initially used a Easton Haven 55mm. I was happy with that at first, then rode my buddies Enduro with this Syntace 30mm stem and that was the key for me to make the change.

    If your ever up by the McDowell's or plan on riding Phoenix Mt. Preserve, you're more than welcome to throw a leg over my stead. I'm in town until the 17th.

    bikebling.com is selling the syntace stems at great prices; I just ordered a 40mm stem for my other FS 29er.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaseco View Post
    What stem are you coming from? Stock 50mm? I'm 5'11" with a longish torso riding the large. I'm scared to try a medium, because it might feel better and I don't want to try to sell this for another one!
    I had a 50mm stem before swapping to the 35. I'm 5'10" and ride a large.

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    Does anyone know where I can find the sheet with the tightening torques of Carbine 29?

    thx

    (p.s. me too, I use a 35mm stem)

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    Hay mtb pilot, I forgot to add that I have a dbcc CS on my t275. It was suggested by the intense crew. They did say the RS is a good shock and its better than the CTD. I'm very happy so far with the cc
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    I read in MTBR's Enduro Compare-O that the 6' to 6'2" testers rode a size medium all the while thinking it was a large. The reach (15 7/8"), stack (23 7/16") and top tube of my large Blur LT2 26er is smaller than the medium Carbine. I'm 6'1". I also see a few of you swapped your stem to something drastically shorter.

    I'm wondering if you guys went with a bike one size too large. Maybe this would explain BikeMag's complaints. From what I've been reading I too should consider a medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhop View Post
    ... I also see a few of you swapped your stem to something drastically shorter.

    I'm wondering if you guys went with a bike one size too large. Maybe this would explain BikeMag's complaints. From what I've been reading I too should consider a medium.
    uuuuuummmmmmm, I don't think soooooo, but I think in the 6' range you can ride either. I was the same way with my Pivot 429c and LES. I demoed both sizes on both bikes before I decided. I ride a med 429c and a large LES. I could have ridden either in those bikes also, but wanted my 429 more playful and LES more stretched out XC style. The geo is quite different between my 429 and Carbine 29, but the reach isn't much more on the Carbine. I didn't put a 30mm stem on because the bike felt to big, I was fine with a 55m stem, I just really like the feel and handling of the short stem as I raced MX as a kid. I run a 55 or 40mm stem on my 429 also and still comfy.

    I rode a large Carbine in 26/27.5 and compared the geo when I was getting the 29 frame and decided for the large. I tried to imagine how a medium would be while on my large, and I don't think I would like it, not sure though. I wanted a longer stretched out feel a bit on this bike, because I want the same feel I had blasting the steeps and rugged terrain as I did on my Session 88; More stable. I rode an XL 19.5" DH bike. I still find this lrg Carbine 29 quite agile and so capable.

    In 2011, I wanted the 2010 Trek Remedy 9.9, cause I loved the paint job so much, plus I wanted more travel than my Fuel EX. I found a brand new one for $3k less than retail, but it was a 21.5" and normally rode 19.5. I went for it anyway and loved it so much, that I denied to myself it was too big. After about 3 months, I finally had to admit I couldn't maneuver the bike properly and my techy riding was suffering. Had to sell her...

    Not the case in the slightest with this bike in a large for me. I believe I could ride both sizes looking at the #s and that a 6'5" guy would be fin on the large, but too large for me...no. Riding style and what you want the bike for might influence a 6 footer for which size to ride, but I'm happy with the large.
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    I'm 6'3" with long limbs. I'm on a large, with a 50mm stem. The bike is a little compact when the seatpost is up and climbing, but when I drop the seat and point her down its perfect!

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    I changed my stem from the Enve 75mm lenght stem to the Renthal 40mm Duo stem and find that handling and steering is now more lively and responsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhop View Post
    I read in MTBR's Enduro Compare-O that the 6' to 6'2" testers rode a size medium all the while thinking it was a large. The reach (15 7/8"), stack (23 7/16") and top tube of my large Blur LT2 26er is smaller than the medium Carbine. I'm 6'1". I also see a few of you swapped your stem to something drastically shorter.

    I'm wondering if you guys went with a bike one size too large. Maybe this would explain BikeMag's complaints. From what I've been reading I too should consider a medium.
    I guess it's what you're used to and where you ride. I ride dirt bikes in the Northern Idaho mountains so a larger frame with a short stem and wide bars on my mtb feels normal to me. If I was riding park or jumping a lot I would probably go with a medium. Here's a shot of my bike from this mornings ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktmben View Post
    I guess it's what you're used to and where you ride. I ride dirt bikes in the Northern Idaho mountains so a larger frame with a short stem and wide bars on my mtb feels normal to me. If I was riding park or jumping a lot I would probably go with a medium. Here's a shot of my bike from this mornings ride.
    Nice shot(pic)! Intense should buy that pic for some of their advertisement for the bike.
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    Yeah I know all about the short stem / wider bars setup, having done it to my bikes long before bike companies jumped on it. I'm blessed with a wide variety of nearby trails to ride depending on the mood. From flat and flowy to chunky rooty uphill climbs, to small hip high drops to little sniper jumps and log rides. So when I see the "hard to lift front wheel", "tricky sizing" and "feels big" comments here and in the reviews, I'm reluctant to gamble $6k. In addition to my 5" (26er) Blur I have a HiFi 29er, so a wide array of my trail riding is covered. But there are times when riding one bike I wished I had the other. That's where the C29 would come in.

    Guess I'll just forego the armchair analysis and tell my LBS no sale until I demo at least one size. My wallet feels better already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Nice shot(pic)! Intense should buy that pic for some of their advertisement for the bike.
    Hey thanks! That's a shot of lake CDA on my "go to" ride that I hit from my house. Here's another shot from the same ride, this ones of Hayden lake. That ride climbs around 2000ft up and then drops 2000ft back down.
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    New carbine29

    Just returned from a weekend of mixed lift served bike park and gorgeous XC trail riding to confirm that the Carbine is definitely the ultimate Quiver of One bike for me. Definitely had more bike than skills in the bike park - i.e. the Carbine never held me back and kept me out of trouble on the flowy blues I enjoy - a good thing.
    For XC I call it the easy chair, definitely over biked on some of the trails but, with the VPP and CCDB climb switch, its no less efficient than my short travel XC 29er(now sold). I was able to prove that to myself on multiple local timed climbs, including the 21 Switchback Salute, enough to use it on my last XC race(the Right call). But the best thing is I can ride every day - I feel better after 5 hours on this bike than I would after 2 hours on the shorty.
    Anyway, very stoked on this bike.
    5'11" on a Medium. 70mm stem, tried 50mm but no like. Since this pic added Renthal FB with 40mm rise to get rid of the spacers under the stem and also able to roll the bars back to get the perfect intermediate grip position. Lev 125 is at min insertion. Aside from the shorter head and seat tube the Medium has been easy to dial the fit, and I did get to test ride one first.
    Glad with the choice, in my mind the little shorter wheelbase of the medium made it more of an all around bike for me. If I could have convinced the wife I needed two bikes I might have gone with the large and set it up as more of an All Mountain slayer.
    But, honestly, I didn't need more at the bike park and I haven't missed the XC bike at all, so I'd say the Medium is perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCanary View Post
    Just returned from a weekend of mixed lift served bike park and gorgeous XC trail riding to confirm that the Carbine is definitely the ultimate Quiver of One bike for me. Definitely had more bike than skills in the bike park - i.e. the Carbine never held me back and kept me out of trouble on the flowy blues I enjoy - a good thing.
    For XC I call it the easy chair, definitely over biked on some of the trails but, with the VPP and CCDB climb switch, its no less efficient than my short travel XC 29er(now sold). I was able to prove that to myself on multiple local timed climbs, including the 21 Switchback Salute, enough to use it on my last XC race(the Right call). But the best thing is I can ride every day - I feel better after 5 hours on this bike than I would after 2 hours on the shorty.
    Anyway, very stoked on this bike.
    5'11" on a Medium. 70mm stem, tried 50mm but no like. Since this pic added Renthal FB with 40mm rise to get rid of the spacers under the stem and also able to roll the bars back to get the perfect intermediate grip position. Lev 125 is at min insertion. Aside from the shorter head and seat tube the Medium has been easy to dial the fit, and I did get to test ride one first.
    Glad with the choice, in my mind the little shorter wheelbase of the medium made it more of an all around bike for me. If I could have convinced the wife I needed two bikes I might have gone with the large and set it up as more of an All Mountain slayer.
    But, honestly, I didn't need more at the bike park and I haven't missed the XC bike at all, so I'd say the Medium is perfect.
    Hey Canary,

    How are you liking the CCDB? Was talking to a guy tonight that loved the CCDB on his previous 4bar/horst link frame, but hated it on his SC Bronson with the VPP suspension. He said that he could take out enough compression damping with the already "anti squat" VPP and it ended up feeling not plush enough. I can understand what he was saying, but hoping that not the case with this frame as I'm planning on buying the CCDB In-line shock soon.

    What's your opinion of this bike with the CCDB?

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    Very happy with the CCDB CS. Ordered bike with it so nothing to compare directly. Last bike was DW link Fox/shorter travel so this bike feels incredibly plush in comparison. One thing I like is how supple it is pedaling on anything rough or techy, based on reviews I've seen thats better with the CC. Also really like the Climb Switch - does just what they say so I can have it more plush when open. I do love to fiddle and flip switches so its a good match for me.
    As for set up, as people say, you need to get the sag correct w/ the VPP. As you know, the Bike has the VPP2 so it pedals better than the old VPP when set up plush. The intense tune is pretty generic(the same is listed for all their bikes) but an ok place to start. It helps to do the set up in the order CC has in the field guide that comes with the shock. I've only set it up in the upper shock setting, so a little higher leverage maybe more progressive. Make sure you ask for the Intense CS tune when you buy aftermarket.
    The in-line looks really cool and you get to have a water bottle cage! With the long descents in CO and using it some in the bike park I'm happy with the DB. It will be great to hear what you think of the new In-line, I think it will be a worthwhile upgrade.

    Edit: Added info.
    My buddy added it to his Bronson after a year and loves it. Another added it to his TallboyLT and had trouble getting the compression low enough - went to the XL can and loves it. The Intense tune starts in the middle so you should have room to work with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCanary View Post
    Very happy with the CCDB CS. Ordered bike with it so nothing to compare directly. Last bike was DW link Fox/shorter travel so this bike feels incredibly plush in comparison. One thing I like is how supple it is pedaling on anything rough or techy, based on reviews I've seen thats better with the CC. Also really like the Climb Switch - does just what they say so I can have it more plush when open. I do love to fiddle and flip switches so its a good match for me.
    As for set up, as people say, you need to get the sag correct w/ the VPP. As you know, the Bike has the VPP2 so it pedals better than the old VPP when set up plush. The intense tune is pretty generic(the same is listed for all their bikes) but an ok place to start. It helps to do the set up in the order CC has in the field guide that comes with the shock. I've only set it up in the upper shock setting, so a little higher leverage maybe more progressive. Make sure you ask for the Intense CS tune when you buy aftermarket.
    The in-line looks really cool and you get to have a water bottle cage! With the long descents in CO and using it some in the bike park I'm happy with the DB. It will be great to hear what you think of the new In-line, I think it will be a worthwhile upgrade.

    Edit: Added info.
    My buddy added it to his Bronson after a year and loves it. Another added it to his TallboyLT and had trouble getting the compression low enough - went to the XL can and loves it. The Intense tune starts in the middle so you should have room to work with it.
    Sweet, thanks for the thorough info!!

    I'll let you know what I think of it; Don't think it's available to order for another week or so.
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    Don't forget The Bike Co inCali also. They built mine just the way I wanted it. These guys are Brian Lopes mechs

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    Got my CC DB In-line shock yesterday and installed it. Just using the base tune I tested it down the some concrete stairs, rock piles and curbs... Quite an improvement is noticeable right away. Over the next two weeks I'll get a plenty of time to put it to the test here in the rocky desert terrain and long descents in the mountains outside of Santa Barbara.




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    I'm looking forward to your review mtb pilot!

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    Nice, clean look. Perfect for the bike.
    Since last exchange I've gone to the new Fox 36 TALAS up front. Definite improvement over the Pike, seems to balance the rear suspension better. Loved the TALAS on the long climb to the CO trail today, and the down… Oh Man!
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    Post pics with the fox on it please. Do the stickers match the orange on the frame?

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    Foxy Carbine

    From todays ride. Looks great, rides even better.
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    Hi guys, here some pics from my vacations in France, I hope you enjoy, I had some good days there with Carbine, the perfect companion and a awesome place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Got my CC DB In-line shock yesterday and installed it. Just using the base tune I tested it down the some concrete stairs, rock piles and curbs... Quite an improvement is noticeable right away. Over the next two weeks I'll get a plenty of time to put it to the test here in the rocky desert terrain and long descents in the mountains outside of Santa Barbara.
    Any feeback after some weekend riding? How does she feel?

    Mine gets here in a couple of days. While the bike pedals awesome with the stock Fox, it doesn't give me that bigger bike bottomless feel that I liked out of my Trek Remedy. I think I can get more speed if I have the bike feel better down gnarly technical descents. I know that bike had 150mm travel and the DRCV shock, but hoping that the DBInline gets me a bit closer.

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    Not much, just a quick 10 mile chunky climb and descent. I got out late, and the temp and humidity made me feel like poop, so not a very hard charger. The shock is very obviously in a different league than Fox's Float. It's not going to CHANGE the bike, but rather expose the bike's full potential. I'm still playing with the settings, but yes immediately I'm loving the small bump compliance and how smooth the rear felt blasting down 2 very chunky descents at high speed.

    At first I was a little worried about the amount of movement while pedaling with the CS on, but I'm feeling zero loss of efficiency. Like I said, I'm still playing with setting; I've never had a shock with so many adjustments.

    This weekend I'll be doing a 4000' climb and descent in California, and a few other smaller climbs and descents, so I'll get a better idea of how good it really is.
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    My Carbine 29

    Here she is. It has taken me a few weeks to get the details all laid out but it is finished. I also have a some Easton Havoc 35 bars for the bike park days. This is a Med Carbine 29 and my hight is 5'10" Thank you to the Bike Co for building this sweet thing the way I wanted it for a unreal price. This is by far the best bike I have owned and not to mention a few Specialized SWorks 29 Enduro and 26 SWorks Enduro, Tallboy LTC, and regular Tallboy. This beast does it all effortlessly. OH and yes those are the new 780 Renthal carbon bars!!!!!!

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    Hi TheCanary,

    Does the new Talas fork has 51 degrees offset??

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    Yep. Handles as quick as the Pike but holds the line better with the stiffer(feels like to me) chassis. Still playing with handling options available with the short travel setting in situations outside of steep climbing - fun!
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    MTB Piolt. So how in the inline? Give a review. I have one on order.

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    Yes, need some info Mine gets here today, installing tonight, and tuning it tomorrow at the local free ride trails. Pretty excited. I'll be switching the front fork over to 150 instead of 140 as well, so I'm expecting almost a whole new bike.

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    Whole new bike!? eeeeehhhhh, not so much... The bike was already a VERY capable slayer. The good news is that it still slays without the feeling of having an under gunned shock. I did some big climbing and descending rides in the mountains outside of Santa Barbara this last weekend and had plenty of time to compare and adjust. Climbs were 1-2 hours and descents 25-40 minutes . The first day I rode my Pivot 429c, which is VERY efficient climbing, cause the descent was not very chunky. I have to say that the CS on the inline made the Carbine feel just as efficient as it was with the Fox Float CTD and just as easy as climbing on the 429. I love that it is not just on on/off switch and that you can set full on compression dampening or anywhere in between. I played with it on a 6.4 mile climb and taking a little LSC damping out was nice on the rockier sections of the climbs, but still felt efficient enough.

    The first quite chunky descent, with factory settings, the shock felt more capable than the Fox CTD, but not as plush as I was expecting. I was not blowing through the travel(though I did bottom out somewhere, I never felt it) and it didn't feel harsh, but just not a really smooth plushness. I took out some HSC dampening and that seemed to do the trick. I am using between 25-30% sag and the shock has no problems setting in the mid stroke until time for the big hits. I'm also using less HS rebound dampening, to the point just before a bucking feeling; I ride mostly rock filled chunky trails so the shock needs to be active, quickly. I have followed the 3 step guide that they provide in the box and that has helped not get lost in the process for setting it up to your standards.

    The rear end stuck to the ground much better than with the CTD. From thick dusty, loose, rutted and fast switch backs to long rock gardens full of loose dust, every different size rock, 45-90 degree turns and even 10-18 inch drops in the middle, the shock being super active still kept the rear tire glued to the ground. Never lost any traction due to the rear suspension, even in quick hard braking while active.

    I'm no pro by any means, but what I do notice are the things that I didn't like about the CTD, more air pressure so as not to blow through travel and then harsh small bump compliance, are no longer on my complaint list at the end of a good ride. That says a lot to me and is what I am looking for as an avid mt. biker. No shock will fix a crappy bike design and the Carbine doesn't have that problem to begin with... This IS a key and probably the best for the money upgrade for this bike to really unlock it's capabilities.

    So far, I give it 5 stars. It takes some time to get it dialed, but having a 100% range of adjustability to meet you exact needs and liking is time well spent. I will still probably play with sag and HSC a little, just to see if I find a spot I like more, but over all it is incredible for a lighter, non piggy back air shock. Sorry, I know this isn't a mind blowing review, but the shock is a big step up from CTD and Monarch and make the bike feel much better gunned for all round riding. Also feels much more balanced with the very capable Pike.

    For reference: I'm 6' 195lbs w/o gear. My Pivot 429c weighs 27lbs 12oz and the Carbine 29 weighs 27lbs 15oz; both X0-1 11spd with 30t ring.


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    MTB- How doe the Carbine climb and handle compared to other bikes you have owned or spent enough time on . The suspension is a direct copy of the SC LTc I think so wandering what your thoughts are? I know the head angle and CS length are diff. Thanks Frank

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    Frank-- I really have no complaints about how the bike climbs. Quite efficient for the amount of suspension it has. The longer chain stays really help keep the front end down on the steepest technical climbs and your able to put down a lot of power seated or standing without problem. It climbs well in just a neutral body position. Like I said earlier, I've done some really long climbs with it using a 30t/ 10-42 cassette 1x11 and it was just as good and painful as my 429c. If I was racing XC on those climbs, it might not have been the fastest and would have used a HT.
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    Carbine 29 Review

    Hoooooly smokes the DBInline makes this a new bike. This is why Intense specs the DBAir on it.

    It's now plush, controlled, and got that bottomless feeling I had from my Remedy with the DRCV shock. But it still pedals. With the CS switch the pedaling forces stop being so active but it somehow still so controlled. It's as if I'm riding an XC bike but with 10psi in the rear tire.

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    Can you Inline guys give us your tune?

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    Carbine 29 Review

    I ended up with 5 clicks of LSC and LSR, 1.5 turns of HSC and 2 turns of HSR with 17mm sag.

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    180 geared up with water/etc

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    I got 2 rides on my DBInline. I always give lukewarm reviews so don't read this as a bad review of this shock.

    I started out with the base tune, 160psi, and 17mm of sag. I got thrown at first because Cane creek counts click from full open rather than from full closed which I was used to. At first i thought no improvement over the Fox CTD, stutter bumps felt the same but then I flew off the jump after the stutter bump section and realized i was going much faster. First day I just tuned as I rode. I like a lively plush bike and ended up at hsc 1, lsc 5, hsr 1.5, lsr 5. With the hsc so low the climb switch hardly did anything, on first service i may get the #5 lever to tighten it up.

    Today I was to going to 'bracket' the shock in but temp were over 95 degrees and I was cooked when I got to the section of trail I do all my bracketing on. So I just tuned as i rode. I upped the hsc to 1.75 to get the climb switch to work, lowered lsc to 1 to gain back some plushness, upped hsr 2.5 to take some boot off the jumps. I have no idea where to put the lsr, doing it off the feel at the seat.

    For bottom out control i wish this shock had an adjustable IFP chamber and pressure so I won't have to up the hsc. I have the shock set pretty open but I got that DB spike everyone was talking about. Moderate speed G-out into a 6" ledge I loft the front wheel over and take the hit with the rear wheel. I got a pretty good spike off that today, to be fair I could have hit that at much greater speed than before.

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    Interesting to hear the differences between the DB and Inline. Sounds like they had to make some compromises to get the same feel in a smaller package. With the DB the CS circuit is totally isolated and doesn't change with any of the other tuning. They have 5 different CS tunes and you select one the matches your suspension (picked by Intense for the Carbine). Intrigued by the compact design and lighter weight but probably better off with the DB on my bike for occasional bike park days and the longer alpine descents in the summer.
    Looks like the listed base tune is the generic factory tune so bracketing will improve it a lot. Good luck, it should be worth it.
    I've had the occasional 'hang-up' of the rear end in faster/bigger rock gardens. Wasn't sure if that was a VPP thing at some point in the travel or CC spiking thing. Any one that's switched shocks observed if it's better or worse with the CC DB or Inline?
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    I will be selling this frame without a rear shock for $1300 if anyone knows anyone who wants a Carbine 29. Figure a new inline at Universal Cycles is $400 with the coupon code. It will also come with Elixir 9 trail carbon brakes. I have ridden it 6 times. perfect condition like new.

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    Here she is. It has taken me a few weeks to get the details all laid out but it is finished. I also have a some Easton Havoc 35 bars for the bike park days. This is a Med Carbine 29 and my hight is 5'10" Thank you to the Bike Co for building this sweet thing the way I wanted it for a unreal price. This is by far the best bike I have owned and not to mention a few Specialized SWorks 29 Enduro and 26 SWorks Enduro, Tallboy LTC, and regular Tallboy. This beast does it all effortlessly. OH and yes those are the new 780 Renthal carbon bars!!!!!!

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    From my ride today

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    How much does your bike weight? I am about to have the same size, with the similar build - except the brakes, Fox 36 Talas and ENVE bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCanary View Post
    Just returned from a weekend of mixed lift served bike park and gorgeous XC trail riding to confirm that the Carbine is definitely the ultimate Quiver of One bike for me. Definitely had more bike than skills in the bike park - i.e. the Carbine never held me back and kept me out of trouble on the flowy blues I enjoy - a good thing.
    For XC I call it the easy chair, definitely over biked on some of the trails but, with the VPP and CCDB climb switch, its no less efficient than my short travel XC 29er(now sold). I was able to prove that to myself on multiple local timed climbs, including the 21 Switchback Salute, enough to use it on my last XC race(the Right call). But the best thing is I can ride every day - I feel better after 5 hours on this bike than I would after 2 hours on the shorty.
    Anyway, very stoked on this bike.
    5'11" on a Medium. 70mm stem, tried 50mm but no like. Since this pic added Renthal FB with 40mm rise to get rid of the spacers under the stem and also able to roll the bars back to get the perfect intermediate grip position. Lev 125 is at min insertion. Aside from the shorter head and seat tube the Medium has been easy to dial the fit, and I did get to test ride one first.
    Glad with the choice, in my mind the little shorter wheelbase of the medium made it more of an all around bike for me. If I could have convinced the wife I needed two bikes I might have gone with the large and set it up as more of an All Mountain slayer.
    But, honestly, I didn't need more at the bike park and I haven't missed the XC bike at all, so I'd say the Medium is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteRun;11767893<gs id="22b773b5-1030-4214-b9eb-8fc0a743ab69" ginger_software_uiphraseguid="ded7ba98-030e-468a-909c-2232c70cf136" class="GINGER_SOFTWARE_mark">
    </gs>How much does your bike <gs id="9bed55dc-93f7-44b9-a50a-1f452051c059" ginger_software_uiphraseguid="ded7ba98-030e-468a-909c-2232c70cf136" class="GINGER_SOFTWARE_mark">weight</gs>? I am about to have the same size, with the similar build - except the brakes, Fox 36 Talas and ENVE bar.

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    #29 with everything. Definitely could be built lighter without compromising its capabilities, but the ride is sublime with the Fox36 and the DBAir.
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    Hi all im going to buy the 2015 29er just a few things to ask . I'm 5.9 so would a size M be good for me ? I normoly ride larger frames but I'm a little unsure that this in L would be a step to far as its realy long wheelbase . How is rear end flex on these ? Flex is a pet hate of mine ) im also a little unsure of the travel this offers 140-125 ? ALLSO bike comes with 160mm forks would 150 forks be better ? And how does it get off the ground ie playfull or hard work ? Sorry it's a lot im asking but looking at the 2015 with ENVE wheels its allmost 9k so it's a lot of cash . Ive rode 29er NINER before and really liked how it rode but did feel it suffered on long climbs so any imput from you users would be great .thanks

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    5' 11" on a medium w 70mm stem feels best for me.
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    Thanks . I'm 12 stone with gear and agressive so how does this 29C like to sprint ?

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    I'm 5'11 on a large. I've never felt that it was too big.

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    Ok looking at buying the 2015 29C looking at the spec list and it comes with 70/30 ENVE wheels that's 70% DH and 30% climbing am I right in thinking they are a little over the top for trail use ? Maybe the enve 60/40 would be a better choice ? That's my only Nigel

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    I am selling my never ridden 2015 med carbine 29 ( it's listed in classifieds) if you all know anyone interested. It is specked top notch. Price is negotiable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ski1970 View Post
    I am selling my never ridden 2015 med carbine 29 ( it's listed in classifieds) if you all know anyone interested. It is specked top notch. Price is negotiable!

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    Thank you. Good To go, I priced it at Fanatick bike as it sits and it comes out to $6749 but mine has Chris king hubs and the one I priced is with stan wheels and hubs. Let me know if your interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ski1970 View Post
    Thank you. Good To go, I priced it at Fanatick bike as it sits and it comes out to $6749 but mine has Chris king hubs and the one I priced is with stan wheels and hubs. Let me know if your interested.
    Why are you really selling a brand new bike? Fess up.

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    Because I am going to be moving and have a financial issue to take care of so this is the best way to make it happen quickly. My loss someones gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    That thing is sweet! Counting beans to see if I can pull it off...
    I sent you a PM.

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    Went from this:



    To this:



    Maiden voyage soon, so we'll see how she goes, but I'm pretty stoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rb View Post
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    Maiden voyage soon, so we'll see how she goes, but I'm pretty stoked.
    Way cool man! You will be very happy with the new ride I'm sure. What are you doing with the T275?

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    Anybody riding a small? If so how tall are you?...Need help between a small and a medium....It seems people are sizing down on this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dancruz View Post
    Anybody riding a small? If so how tall are you?...Need help between a small and a medium....It seems people are sizing down on this bike.
    Hi Dancruz,

    Riding a small frame here. I am 5'6" (168cm). Stem is a 50mm Renthal Apex. Cranks are Sram XX1 at 170cm.

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    Dancruz - if it helps, I'm 5'8" with 30" inseam in shoes (and longish upper torso) riding a medium frame with a 50mm stem and 780 bars. It's a great fit for me. Luckily had a chance to demo a large frame so knew a med would be good fit. Call Intense and they can give you some guidance as well.

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    Yup, size down a bit. I'm 5'10" with 32" inseam and a medium frame with 50mm stem and 750mm bars. I would normally be on the cusp of medium vs large, but the medium Carbine feels perfect.

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    Thanks guys for your input. Sounds like a medium....
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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    Yup, size down a bit. I'm 5'10" with 32" inseam and a medium frame with 50mm stem and 750mm bars. I would normally be on the cusp of medium vs large, but the medium Carbine feels perfect.
    I am the same height and inseam and also love my medium. I wouldn't go any larger.

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    Anyone 6'-6'1" riding a medium C29?

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    Tried a medium, too small for me. I'm 6'1".

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    Anyone 6'-6'1" riding a medium C29?
    No chance you will fit on a medium. I am 6'0" and ride a large.

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    Here's another pic of my Carbine 29er



    I used to be the guy that talked major sh!t on 29ers -- and rightfully so, because 99% of 'em are largely unrideable -- but this bike is incredible.

    Seriously, hands down the best bike I've ever ridden. I thought my Tracer T275 was amazing (and it is!) but this thing feels like I just poured gasoline on fire.

    28 lbs as pictured in photo above. Total cost, ~$4200 as-shown. Stoked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rb View Post
    I used to be the guy that talked major sh!t on 29ers -- and rightfully so, because 99% of 'em are largely unrideable -- but this bike is incredible.

    Seriously, hands down the best bike I've ever ridden. I thought my Tracer T275 was amazing (and it is!) but this thing feels like I just poured gasoline on fire.

    28 lbs as pictured in photo above. Total cost, ~$4200 as-shown. Stoked.
    Yup, I have a huge smile every time I ride mine! The fun factor is just awesome. This thing goes uphill just as good as my 4" XC ish bike and rips on the downs. I had a few "oh shit" moments the first few rides as I found myself carrying way more speed than normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    Anyone 6'-6'1" riding a medium C29?
    From MTBR Enduro-Comparo:
    "Our 6-foot to 6-foot-2 riders who all initially thought they should have been on larges all felt the size medium tester was spot-on."

    Usually ride a large, on my second medium Carbine29. Best if you can test ride one, of course.
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    Yup, I have a huge smile every time I ride mine! The fun factor is just awesome. This thing goes uphill just as good as my 4" XC ish bike and rips on the downs. I had a few "oh shit" moments the first few rides as I found myself carrying way more speed than normal.

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    "Usually ride a large, on my second medium Carbine29."

    +1. Go for the smaller size and you won't have regrets

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    This is a true one quiver MTB! I use it from everything from smooth xc trails to gnarly enduroracing and bikeparks.
    My setup:
    Late 2014 frame with CC DB inline & 2015 rear triangle (crash replacement, thanks Sam ), 150 mm Pike, CC -1 deg angleset, arch wheels with King hubs, RF Next SL cranks, 1*10 (34 * 11-40), XT brakes, saint shifters, zee derallieur with oneup radr cage. CB DH race pedals.
    Great bike!!!
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    Great build. Neat set up with the angle set, I like the Pike 160 Dual position fork to cover from slack to more slack for extra versatility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smuts View Post
    "Usually ride a large, on my second medium Carbine29."

    +1. Go for the smaller size and you won't have regrets
    Interesting

    I rode a Large Carbine ( I am 6'2") on tight switchbacks that I know very well and it felt like a barge. I have owned several Intense bikes (frame size large) over the years and this was the first one I didn't like. Maybe it was the configuration or.........maybe the frame was too big?

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    Just built a medium Carbine after owning off a medium tracer 29. I'm 6'1 and run it with a 50mm stem, I was worried that it may be a bit to tight up front but after putting 60 miles on it in VT over the long weekend I have absolutely no complaints.

    Also no shame in my reflector game.


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    Might be the picture angle, but the saddle sure looks to be tilted back pretty far.
    Wow, GJ, Fruita, and Moab trails are riding great. This is a killer spring for riding!

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    It was corrected immediately. Just didn't shoot any additional photos.

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    I'm 6'1 and ride a large, previous bike was a large Tracer 275. The large is a good size for me, I have a long torso which makes a difference - also using a 40mm stem and 760 bar.

    The Carbine 29 is noticeably longer and requires a more aggressive lean in the corners if you want to snap it around, holy hell is it ever fast though. I ride highly technical terrain which this thing ignores, climbs faster for sure and it often feels like I'm going slower but Strava says otherwise.

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    Hover Bike

    Definite upgrade from Inline. Just as supple off the top but better through the remainder of travel. Don't know how different it would be from the CCDBairCS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaseco View Post
    Anyone else getting a popping or creaking coming from the rear on hard peddling?
    Ya i had the same issue. Its most likely the surfaces that are in contact between the linkage and the shock. Take apart, clean and lightly grease. P.S. Don't wash your bike and it will be noise free much longer between bearing jobs and lube jobs.


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    Also check the BB.

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    Wrong thread - sorry.
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    Beautiful! Where is that?

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    I ended up going for a 2014 medium, with 750mm bars and 50mm stem. Feels similar to my previous trail bike that was large. I had emailed Intense on this and it was suggested hands down that if you're 5'10 to 5'10.5, you go medium. Large on 26" and 27.5".

    I have longer legs and arms and shorter torso. I don't think I look like a freak but I guess I am sorta. I wish I had gone 29er long ago. Having the higher front end is great.

    The shop I got it from was cool enough to install a RF single wide ring and E13 42t cog and get rid of the front derailleur...that's how it was setup on the shop floor. All I had to do was install my crankbros seatpost and WTB saddle.

    After a good two hour ride, I can say I love this thing. Nice and light and fast. The 29 wheels are a little funny at first but you get used to them and then start relying on them to get you up and down techy sections. I was riding up stuff I had issues with before.

    I plan on swapping out the long XT derailleur for my spare mid-XT derailleur that has the green One-up cage and swap out the E13 42T cog for my matching green One-up 42 cog.

    The Hans Dampf pacestar tires are too stiff and slip on everything when you start cranking. I'll be going to Maxxis HRII rear and DHF front as soon as I can.

    The Float CTD and Fox 34 CTD aren't 'bad'. I find they have a place in the MTB world. I'm a set-and-forget guy so I'm leaving everything in trail mode. Although I'm thinking about either first trying a Vorsprung Corset sleeve, OR, send the shock to Avalanche to do his magic. I've even considered finding an old DHX Air with compression dial and have Craig tune it. As for the Fox 34 150mm, I wish it was 160mm but really it's only 10mm so it's a big deal really. I'll probably try to get the parts to adapt my Fox 36 Rc2 Avalanche cartridge to fit the 34.

    Overall these are just parts I'm having issues with. The frame is amazing. Already scratched so I'll have to get one of those protective kits.

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    Sorry guys first time post but hopefully the picture works. Love my carbine 29er

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