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    Carbine 29


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    This bike was under wraps for a while here in Socal. Got a chance to pedal it and it is awesome.

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    If the guy who posted it is correct, its a improved carbon version of the Tracer 29 5.0 to 5.5 travel and shorter CS maybe 2 lbs lighter?

    Would be nice to know the wheelbase also, these long travel 29rs get long

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    Does anyone know the rear travel?

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    Carbine 29-20130712_131808_zps4b2ca9af.jpg

    Wow, I just put in an order with my LBS today to build up a Tallboy LT built up just like this...good thing they sell Intense as well, can't wait to find out more. REALLY hoping it comes longer than the 24.5" of the existing Carbines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
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    Yeah, I noticed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Skool View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Does anyone know the rear travel?
    I know it is at least 150 and might be 160. It has a 160 Pike on the front.

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    To quote George Costanza... "I think it moved a little"

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    We were told it is a 5.0-5.5 adjustable rear with slacker HT and shorter chainstays than the T29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCMoto View Post
    We were told it is a 5.0-5.5 adjustable rear with slacker HT and shorter chainstays than the T29.
    The 150-160mm travel seems like wishful thinking... at least with VPP and short chainstays. Let's hope I'm wrong.

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    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.
    I assume Intense was going for the shortest chainstays they could manage with the Spider Comp. Hard to imagine adding 1+" of travel and keeping that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The 150-160mm travel seems like wishful thinking... at least with VPP and short chainstays. Let's hope I'm wrong.
    5.5inches is 140mm, so not unreasonable to go with a 150-160mm fork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.
    Yeah, I will be surprised if they get shorter than 17.5 in order to still accommodate larger volume tires.

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    The spider comp does have great tire clearance.

    140mm would do. We'll know for sure soon I hope.

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    Anybody hear what chain stay length is going to be?

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    Its official. Numbers are on pinkbike:

    140mm of rear wheel travel
    160mm of travel up front
    67 degree head tube angle
    51mm 29-specific fork offset
    17.75" chainstay
    Video: Intense Carbine 29 in Action - Pinkbike

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    Hmm, not quite what I was hoping for.

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    Like a DH bike with a wheelbase that long. I can see why they opted to ride Mammoth with it, with Upper Shock Treatment being one of the trails tackled.
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    So is this Carbine just like my 27.5 only with a fork and 29er drop outs?
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    less travel, longer chainstays but otherwise just like it I'm kinda disappointed that they didn't go big to compete head to head with the Specialized Enduro 29.

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    12 x 142? Pictures don't look like it.

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    Yes

    142 x 12. See attachedCarbine 29-intense-carbine-29_3.jpg
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    So was this bike built from the ground up as a 29er, or is it a Carbine modified to fit larger wheels like the 275?

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    If anything its a Spider Comp modified for more travel, not a modified Carbine 275.

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    how cost?
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    I'm guessing $2899 like the others.

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    The Carbine 29 is a Spider Comp with a new dropout, like the 650b Carbine is a Carbine with a new dropout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    The Carbine 29 is a Spider Comp with a new dropout, like the 650b Carbine is a Carbine with a new dropout.
    Umm, the Spider Comp is already a 29er.

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    The Spider 29comp is a lighter, XC racier, quicker 29er.
    The Carbine 29 is an all Mtn, heavier duty, slacker geometry gnar shredder.

    They may share rear triangle molds (with different carbon layup), but the Carbine 29 front triangle has a slacker HT, so more than likely has it's own tooling.
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    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.
    Dropouts by themselves can't change the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.
    If that's accurate then all it would take is a simple dropout change and everyone who has a Spider Comp can have a new Carbine 29 for even less $$$, unless the dropouts are $300.

    Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    If that's accurate then all it would take is a simple dropout change and everyone who has a Spider Comp can have a new Carbine 29 for even less $$$, unless the dropouts are $300.

    Hmmm.
    It could in principle have the same front and rear triangle, but it would need different suspension links and/or a longer shock to change the travel.

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    Doesn't really matter to me to be honest as I was kinda underwhelmed with the announcement. The Spider Comp already uses a 200x57mm shock so I'd guess it would be more linkage changes. I guess they could have went with a longer eye to eye shock, but doubtful.

    I'll look towards the new WFO to see if it raises the bar. It has already been confirmed to have more than 140mm of travel. My guess would be that it will have the same CS length as the Rip 9 RDO at 17.7, but we'll see. If the chainstays are the same as the Carbine I'd pick the Niner due to preference of CVA and standard BB.

    In the meantime, I'll keep shredding on the SB95c

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    "umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle."

    Umm, NO. That is completely wrong. Guaran-friggin-teed.

    edit: having said that, neither one of us know for a fact how this bike was designed and built. But at least I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    "umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle."

    Umm, NO. That is completely wrong. Guaran-friggin-teed.

    edit: having said that, neither one of us know for a fact how this bike was designed and built. But at least I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
    Until we see some kind of info from Intense, we won't know, but I can guarantee that more than the dropouts has changed.

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    Whitesnake, did you rescind your wager? ;o)
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    No, if you really want to give $20 to SMBC I'll make sure it goes to good use. I'm not speculating about the bike, I was told all about it two months ago by Intense, I know I'm right. So sure.

    I had a conversation with 'someone' about the Spider Comp and asked if he had tried a CCDBair on one, he said "no, it will fit but the stroke is a little too long and you would get tire contact with the seat tube... but funny you should ask, because we will be announcing a bike at dealer camp that you will be interested in. It's called a Carbine29, it's a Spider Comp with extended dropouts that I want to spec with a CCDBair and a 160mm Pike fork and XO1 drivetrain... since we make the dropouts inhouse, I can actually set you up with one right now, it'll just have Spider C graphics (of course the Pike and XO1 aren't available yet also)."

    why don't you call Intense and ask, when you get your answer I'll give you the info of where to send the $20.

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    OK, whitesnake, you kinda got me there. Two things though; your insider knowledge should have been disclosed early, and your statement that the only change is the rear drops is a partial truth. The longer rear shock gives up more travel, which was only made possible by stretched drops.

    My complete BS rant was based on the slacked out HT, but on further review, they're getting the 1/2deg (67 vs 67.5) simply due to the 20mm longer fork.
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    I made a statement about the new bike and was roundly blasted for being totally wrong, whatever. It's the internet, no harm done.

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    I guess that would be the reason why the chainstay grew .25 inches. I think most people didn't believe you because they would have thought Intense put more "effort" into a "new" bike than just swapping dropouts and calling it "groundbreaking" and charging more money for it.

    Count me in as one of "those people".

    Sorry for doubting you, I was just being optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I guess that would be the reason why the chainstay grew .25 inches. I think most people didn't believe you because they would have thought Intense put more "effort" into a "new" bike than just swapping dropouts and calling it "groundbreaking" and charging more money for it.

    Count me in as one of "those people".

    Sorry for doubting you, I was just being optimistic.
    They end up with good final products (or so I hear), but a healthy number of Intense's offerings are dropout swaps on other frames.

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    They do. No doubt about it. I'd just prefer them to say "hey guys/gals, with a simple dropout change you can increase your Spider Comp's travel." Instead, it's a new model for more money without (rumored) big changes. It also kinda undercuts the Spider Comp model in my opinion, which is a phenomenal bike in its own right. You would think if it is only a dropout change that Intense would acknowledge that and that it would indeed be compatible with the Spider Comp. A half inch of travel isn't worth selling your Spider to get a Carbine in my opinion, but it would make sense to be able to buy the dropouts much like their other bikes.

    Why would you buy a 5 inch travel bike when you can buy a 5.5 inch travel one that weighs only .3 lbs more? Or vice versa for that matter.

    I'm not making any final judgement until I hear from Mr. Intense himself on the matter.

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    Sorry Whitestripe, my bad. I'll get the first round next time. Hope you like tequila & IPA.

    I still can't help butchering your MTBR handle though. ;o) I kid. I'm a kidder.

    The .3lbs difference is possibly due to a more rugged carbon layup schedule, like the difference between a Carbine SL & a regular Carbine. So maybe they are different, but from the same molds.

    Where's the Spider 29 comp SL? With carbon links & Ti hardware...
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