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    Carbine 29


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    This bike was under wraps for a while here in Socal. Got a chance to pedal it and it is awesome.

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    If the guy who posted it is correct, its a improved carbon version of the Tracer 29 5.0 to 5.5 travel and shorter CS maybe 2 lbs lighter?

    Would be nice to know the wheelbase also, these long travel 29rs get long

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    Does anyone know the rear travel?

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    Carbine 29-20130712_131808_zps4b2ca9af.jpg

    Wow, I just put in an order with my LBS today to build up a Tallboy LT built up just like this...good thing they sell Intense as well, can't wait to find out more. REALLY hoping it comes longer than the 24.5" of the existing Carbines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
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    Yeah, I noticed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_Skool View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Does anyone know the rear travel?
    I know it is at least 150 and might be 160. It has a 160 Pike on the front.

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    To quote George Costanza... "I think it moved a little"

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    We were told it is a 5.0-5.5 adjustable rear with slacker HT and shorter chainstays than the T29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCMoto View Post
    We were told it is a 5.0-5.5 adjustable rear with slacker HT and shorter chainstays than the T29.
    The 150-160mm travel seems like wishful thinking... at least with VPP and short chainstays. Let's hope I'm wrong.

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    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.
    I assume Intense was going for the shortest chainstays they could manage with the Spider Comp. Hard to imagine adding 1+" of travel and keeping that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The 150-160mm travel seems like wishful thinking... at least with VPP and short chainstays. Let's hope I'm wrong.
    5.5inches is 140mm, so not unreasonable to go with a 150-160mm fork.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I think it could be done with 17.5 inch CS, that's short enough for me.
    Yeah, I will be surprised if they get shorter than 17.5 in order to still accommodate larger volume tires.

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    The spider comp does have great tire clearance.

    140mm would do. We'll know for sure soon I hope.

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    Anybody hear what chain stay length is going to be?

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    Its official. Numbers are on pinkbike:

    140mm of rear wheel travel
    160mm of travel up front
    67 degree head tube angle
    51mm 29-specific fork offset
    17.75" chainstay
    Video: Intense Carbine 29 in Action - Pinkbike

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    Hmm, not quite what I was hoping for.

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    Like a DH bike with a wheelbase that long. I can see why they opted to ride Mammoth with it, with Upper Shock Treatment being one of the trails tackled.
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    So is this Carbine just like my 27.5 only with a fork and 29er drop outs?
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    less travel, longer chainstays but otherwise just like it I'm kinda disappointed that they didn't go big to compete head to head with the Specialized Enduro 29.

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    12 x 142? Pictures don't look like it.

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    Yes

    142 x 12. See attachedCarbine 29-intense-carbine-29_3.jpg
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    So was this bike built from the ground up as a 29er, or is it a Carbine modified to fit larger wheels like the 275?

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    If anything its a Spider Comp modified for more travel, not a modified Carbine 275.

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    how cost?
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    I'm guessing $2899 like the others.

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    The Carbine 29 is a Spider Comp with a new dropout, like the 650b Carbine is a Carbine with a new dropout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    The Carbine 29 is a Spider Comp with a new dropout, like the 650b Carbine is a Carbine with a new dropout.
    Umm, the Spider Comp is already a 29er.

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    The Spider 29comp is a lighter, XC racier, quicker 29er.
    The Carbine 29 is an all Mtn, heavier duty, slacker geometry gnar shredder.

    They may share rear triangle molds (with different carbon layup), but the Carbine 29 front triangle has a slacker HT, so more than likely has it's own tooling.
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    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.
    Dropouts by themselves can't change the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle.
    If that's accurate then all it would take is a simple dropout change and everyone who has a Spider Comp can have a new Carbine 29 for even less $$$, unless the dropouts are $300.

    Hmmm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    If that's accurate then all it would take is a simple dropout change and everyone who has a Spider Comp can have a new Carbine 29 for even less $$$, unless the dropouts are $300.

    Hmmm.
    It could in principle have the same front and rear triangle, but it would need different suspension links and/or a longer shock to change the travel.

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    Doesn't really matter to me to be honest as I was kinda underwhelmed with the announcement. The Spider Comp already uses a 200x57mm shock so I'd guess it would be more linkage changes. I guess they could have went with a longer eye to eye shock, but doubtful.

    I'll look towards the new WFO to see if it raises the bar. It has already been confirmed to have more than 140mm of travel. My guess would be that it will have the same CS length as the Rip 9 RDO at 17.7, but we'll see. If the chainstays are the same as the Carbine I'd pick the Niner due to preference of CVA and standard BB.

    In the meantime, I'll keep shredding on the SB95c

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    "umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle."

    Umm, NO. That is completely wrong. Guaran-friggin-teed.

    edit: having said that, neither one of us know for a fact how this bike was designed and built. But at least I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    "umm, the Carbine 29 is a Spider comp with more travel, made possible by new dropouts which also slacken the geo. It is a Spider Comp front and rear triangle."

    Umm, NO. That is completely wrong. Guaran-friggin-teed.

    edit: having said that, neither one of us know for a fact how this bike was designed and built. But at least I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!
    Until we see some kind of info from Intense, we won't know, but I can guarantee that more than the dropouts has changed.

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    nm.

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    Whitesnake, did you rescind your wager? ;o)
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    No, if you really want to give $20 to SMBC I'll make sure it goes to good use. I'm not speculating about the bike, I was told all about it two months ago by Intense, I know I'm right. So sure.

    I had a conversation with 'someone' about the Spider Comp and asked if he had tried a CCDBair on one, he said "no, it will fit but the stroke is a little too long and you would get tire contact with the seat tube... but funny you should ask, because we will be announcing a bike at dealer camp that you will be interested in. It's called a Carbine29, it's a Spider Comp with extended dropouts that I want to spec with a CCDBair and a 160mm Pike fork and XO1 drivetrain... since we make the dropouts inhouse, I can actually set you up with one right now, it'll just have Spider C graphics (of course the Pike and XO1 aren't available yet also)."

    why don't you call Intense and ask, when you get your answer I'll give you the info of where to send the $20.

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    OK, whitesnake, you kinda got me there. Two things though; your insider knowledge should have been disclosed early, and your statement that the only change is the rear drops is a partial truth. The longer rear shock gives up more travel, which was only made possible by stretched drops.

    My complete BS rant was based on the slacked out HT, but on further review, they're getting the 1/2deg (67 vs 67.5) simply due to the 20mm longer fork.
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    I made a statement about the new bike and was roundly blasted for being totally wrong, whatever. It's the internet, no harm done.

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    I guess that would be the reason why the chainstay grew .25 inches. I think most people didn't believe you because they would have thought Intense put more "effort" into a "new" bike than just swapping dropouts and calling it "groundbreaking" and charging more money for it.

    Count me in as one of "those people".

    Sorry for doubting you, I was just being optimistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I guess that would be the reason why the chainstay grew .25 inches. I think most people didn't believe you because they would have thought Intense put more "effort" into a "new" bike than just swapping dropouts and calling it "groundbreaking" and charging more money for it.

    Count me in as one of "those people".

    Sorry for doubting you, I was just being optimistic.
    They end up with good final products (or so I hear), but a healthy number of Intense's offerings are dropout swaps on other frames.

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    They do. No doubt about it. I'd just prefer them to say "hey guys/gals, with a simple dropout change you can increase your Spider Comp's travel." Instead, it's a new model for more money without (rumored) big changes. It also kinda undercuts the Spider Comp model in my opinion, which is a phenomenal bike in its own right. You would think if it is only a dropout change that Intense would acknowledge that and that it would indeed be compatible with the Spider Comp. A half inch of travel isn't worth selling your Spider to get a Carbine in my opinion, but it would make sense to be able to buy the dropouts much like their other bikes.

    Why would you buy a 5 inch travel bike when you can buy a 5.5 inch travel one that weighs only .3 lbs more? Or vice versa for that matter.

    I'm not making any final judgement until I hear from Mr. Intense himself on the matter.

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    Sorry Whitestripe, my bad. I'll get the first round next time. Hope you like tequila & IPA.

    I still can't help butchering your MTBR handle though. ;o) I kid. I'm a kidder.

    The .3lbs difference is possibly due to a more rugged carbon layup schedule, like the difference between a Carbine SL & a regular Carbine. So maybe they are different, but from the same molds.

    Where's the Spider 29 comp SL? With carbon links & Ti hardware...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Instead, it's a new model for more money without (rumored) big changes.
    If it has DBAir vs. Fox CTD wouldn't you expect it to cost more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by epic View Post
    If it has DBAir vs. Fox CTD wouldn't you expect it to cost more?
    There's a $135 retail difference between those shocks, so that or less is what I would expect the difference to be. As far as I know, though, the Carbine 29 comes with CTD.

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    You would, but it doesn't come with a DBair. Back to my original point...

    Intense Carbine 29 Carbon 29'er Frames | Intense Mountain Bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    You would, but it doesn't come with a DBair. Back to my original point...

    Intense Carbine 29 Carbon 29'er Frames | Intense Mountain Bikes
    If it really does use the same molds as the Spider Comp, the $3199 price is unconscionable and I hope they catch hell for it.

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    Exactly. For that reason I hope Whitebike is wrong.

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    It does have better graphics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitebike View Post
    It does have better graphics?
    I prefer a cleaner look, myself.

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    I liked the gold. Of course if you want a subdued bike, Intense probably isn't for you. I prefer "less busy" frames as well. I think that is kinda the DH background showing through, so I'm cool with it.

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    I'm sure they can raise the price of the Spider Comp to keep things equal.

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    Brilliant business plan!

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    Any more news on this bike, or ride reports?

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    I had a chance to demo this bike up at MBO last weekend, and I can tell you it is badass. I currently ride a Mojo HD, and for some reason got an inkling to try a long travel 29er. Randomly enough, the Santa Cruz tent had no bikes left, and I wasn't interested in the new Ibis Ripley so I checked intense to see what they had and ended up getting set up on the Carbine 29er.

    My immediate reaction was damn this thing is fast. The ride started with a 7 mile downhill, and as soon as you let off the brakes it takes off. You can get rowdy on the thing. It definitely made me want to sell my bike immediately and buy one. ($6200 hurts though) The ride ended with a long section of river trail, up and down, up and down and it rolled along very easily. I didn't have any extended climbs, but it seemed to do very well in the short ones I encountered. The bike is just really really fast, and wants to go fast. It was awesome if that's what you are in to, and I am.

    Now I'm in the market for a new bike, test riding a Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc since you can actually find those bikes for a more affordable price these days. It's really hard to justify over $6K on a bike. But if I was a baller, I'd have the Carbine 29er in a heartbeat.

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    Thanks for the review Chuckb! I have been on a Mojo HD for the last four years, so your review is really helpful. Can you compare the ride to that of the HD? The HD is pretty agile with its shorter wheel base. How did you find the Carbine 29 in that regard? Thanks!

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    Well, the Carbine does have a longer wheelbase, but I quite honestly didn't notice it that much. It doesn't flick about quite as easy as the HD, but only due to the wheel size. I felt like it was equally as capable downhill as my HD, even more in some areas since any rocky gnar you could just let go of the brakes and mash thorough it. I don't know man, quite a conundrum between keeping the HD and converting it to 650b, or buying a new 29er. Currently I am leaning towards the latter.

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    Thanks! Its tough with so many good bikes coming out and multiple wheel sizes. I know I will trade up my HD. That's for sure. I just got a quick parking lot ride in on the Spesh Enduro 29, and I imagine it pretty close to the Carbine 29. I liked the fit with the longer reach. The front came up just as easy, or easier. Maneuvering slowly was where I felt the wheel size the most.

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