27.5 (650b) fever

Printable View

  • 04-19-2012
    mr intense
    7 Attachment(s)
    27.5 (650b) fever
    I prefer calling this segment 27.5 as 650b has always seemed more road oriented.2 new protos with the 27.5 wheels that we are playing with. A Carbine 27.5 & Tracer 27.5 both producing 5.5 to 6" adjustable travel.
    One of the coolest features of the G1 dropout system is that it is replaceable so I was able to make a special set of 27.5 drop outs that adjust the chainstay out to 17" and drop the BB so that when you set it up 27.5 you have the proper Geo & wheel spacing. With the 2.35 X 27.5 Nevagals there is ample clearance, with the 150 fork we are at 67.5 on ha and 13.3" bb height, very cool instant 27.5 Carbon trail bike .

    The blue Tracer is a dedicated 27.5 I built with 150 RS 650b fork and geo hits at 67ha and 13.3 on bb. We will test the waters with these and see where this segment goes but could prove to be the tweener size perfect for some.
    Interesting how the aftermarket already has forks , tires & wheels before any huge demand quite opposite the 29" craze.
  • 04-19-2012
    dynamicz
    :arc: do want the blue tracer. Good to know that a new rear tri isn't necessary any only drops, it's like you predicted 650b ahead of time.
  • 04-19-2012
    MondoRides
    Nice!
    Love the Reverb Stealth cable routing on this one! :thumbsup: Can we assume this will make it's way to the next run of Carbine's as well?

  • 04-19-2012
    dropmachine.com
    SICK. Great call on those wheels and how you did it.

    Will the Carbine SL also be able to run those dropouts?
  • 04-19-2012
    Fadl
    SICK SICK SICK


    Those blue Tracer is beautiful. The Carbine looks very good too.
    Great work Jeff! You totally nailed it with those two beauties
    When can we assume they will be available?
    And can you tell us more about that new Rock Shox fork? 34mm stanchions with 20mm thru axle?
    And Jeff, is that a new carbon upper link on the Tracer? :)
  • 04-19-2012
    gravityfreaky
    Can one run a 27.5 wheel in a 26 fork?
  • 04-19-2012
    Fadl
    double post
  • 04-19-2012
    dufferin
    Game changer! My Uzzi is officially for sale.
  • 04-20-2012
    Just J
    Well hello there Mr Tracer!
  • 04-20-2012
    CTB
    Ever since test riding a bunch of 29ers and one 27.5 last year at our local demo day, I've thought that for a rider my size (small), the 27.5 was the way to go. Wow! Maybe my Tracer VP will have some company in the future...
  • 04-20-2012
    Van Cuz
    Wow, they look great.
  • 04-20-2012
    Kirk Pacenti
    Well done Jeff. That blue Tracer is one great looking bike. Offer a 650bSpider and I'll be calling with my credit card digits. :thumbsup:

    Cheers,
    KP
  • 04-20-2012
    CTB
    A blue Spider 27.5 would pretty much do me in. That'd be killer for the terrain I live in. Jeff, these bikes look fantastic!
  • 04-20-2012
    andy_n
    Well, looks like I have some saving to do.
  • 04-20-2012
    SSBelgium
    this would give me almost want to leave my SS rigid side....but almost ;-)
  • 04-20-2012
    Jerome...
    Ditto on the Carbine SL question. (And if affirmative, what would the bb height end up as?)
    Thanks...
  • 04-20-2012
    randan
    Did you notice, that the shock on the Tracer is mounted to the downtube instead of the toptube as it is on the regular Tracer 2? Looks like small version of the Uzzi 2. Nice one!!
  • 04-20-2012
    SteveF
    Thank you--I'm planning on a new FS bike in a few months and the 27.5 Tracer just made my short list! Anyone know what the Tracer frame and rear shock weighs in a small?

    Any plans to offer a 27.5 Spider?
  • 04-20-2012
    cringb
    Great news on the carbine!! I'd really like to try those out. I had almost bought a Mojo HD instead due to being able to run 27.5, but I liked the carbine so much more! Glad Intense is going to come through and take care care of the one concern I had for buying this bike. :thumbsup:

    Great work!!

    Brent
  • 04-20-2012
    jeffw-13
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gravityfreaky View Post
    Can one run a 27.5 wheel in a 26 fork?

    Some work, some dont. Most Fox forks work, Rockshox, not so much. My Marzocchi 44 does not.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/650b/official...ad-392220.html
  • 04-20-2012
    silver62
    yes, yes, yesssss :eekster::eekster:
  • 04-20-2012
    Jerome...
    Just to answer my own question: Carbine SL does not have G1 dropouts, so I presume no scope for this mod.
  • 04-20-2012
    Alex65
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jerome... View Post
    Just to answer my own question: Carbine SL does not have G1 dropouts, so I presume no scope for this mod.

    Yes, this what interests me too, although in Italy there is no news yet of Carbine SL!!!:madman:
  • 04-20-2012
    frints
    OK, as a proud Tracer 2 owner I have to ask, is this an all new Tracer 2 or new dropouts that I can purchase and retrofit onto my one year old bike.

    I'd really like to build a 27.5, but don' t have the stomach to dump my existing bike and start over.
  • 04-20-2012
    TheNormsk
    I'd almost be willing to sell my first born (and then, probably, promptly get divorced) for the Carbine 27.5.

    I'm seriously loving the look of that bike and it would be perfect for the rocky steep trails I have around me.
  • 04-20-2012
    zorg
    Good to see. Makes the bike even more versatile.
  • 04-20-2012
    trekfueler
    There goes my tax refund. Totally freakin' sweet! When, when, when?
  • 04-20-2012
    spoker247
    Damn my bike for this summer isn't here yet, and then this happens. Hmmmm
  • 04-20-2012
    big bear
    LOVING the blue tracer - except the wheels!
  • 04-20-2012
    Count Zero
    Carbine dropouts
    Jeff -

    Do you plan to make the 27.5 Carbine dropouts available in the near future?

    I am considering a purchase and would love to be able to migrate eventually to 27.5.

    Thanks,

    Tom
  • 04-20-2012
    dhbomber
    I am too VERY interested in a 27.5 Carbine frame. Time to sell my Tracer VP! ;)

    Please let us know if you plan on selling the G1 dropouts to put some mediums on a Carbine!

    With the release of Fox, Rock Shox and X fusion forks for 650b is a good idea to have an available Intense for that size! You just made my day :)
  • 04-20-2012
    pedal-man
    Excellent!!!! I've been looking at Intense bike for a while, almost bought the Tracer 29er, but didn't. I was looking for a bike that was compatible with 650B/27.5 and still be nimble.....I will take a CARBINE PLEASE!!!

    Release date?
    Retail? Full bike and Frame only?
    Different spec builds?
  • 04-20-2012
    dangerousmav
    Can the 27.5 Tracer 2 still be used with 160 mm fork? If yes, geometry with both 160mm in the front and in the rear?
  • 04-21-2012
    dropmachine.com
    So heres a fun question.

    Can a rear end from a Carbine be used on a Carbine SL so we can take advantage of the new dropouts?
  • 04-21-2012
    Captain Cobb
    What would really do it for me is a carbon tracer29.
  • 04-22-2012
    krasse-banny-911
    The color of the Tracer is nice. New or stock color? Looks a bit like signal blue.

    The Tracer stickers are cool. I want those for the Uzzi frame.
  • 04-22-2012
    awai04
    Saw these bikes in person at SOC. ...EXCELLENT!
  • 04-22-2012
    MondoRides
    2 Attachment(s)
    Couple more pics from the Sea Otter Classic. Sweet bike but noticed someone installed the TLD grips backwards
    Attachment 691098
    Attachment 691099
  • 04-23-2012
    awai04
    2 Attachment(s)
    Hard to say which version (carbon or aluminum) I like better. From what I gather in the original post, the carbon version is the current Carbine with dedicated 27.5 G1 dropouts. The aluminum version is a new design around 27.5" (650b) wheels. Hmm, Carbine with regular Stans rims or Aluminum version frame with Enve carbon wheels?? One of the two would be my choice.
  • 04-23-2012
    dhbomber
    I'll take that Carbine please :)

    Selling my Tracer VP frame this month!
  • 04-23-2012
    mission2
    Damn that carbine should be a do it all bike, wish i didn't buy a new bike 2 years ago. if i could only hide it from my wife...hmmm
  • 04-23-2012
    hrdude
    Nice, can we get a group buy? Carbine 27.5, do need. :)
  • 04-23-2012
    trekfueler
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hrdude View Post
    Nice, can we get a group buy? Carbine 650b, do need. :)

    Good idea, I'm in!
  • 04-24-2012
    Jamie_MTB
  • 04-25-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Jerome... View Post
    Just to answer my own question: Carbine SL does not have G1 dropouts, so I presume no scope for this mod.

    Ye, I'd love a 27.5 Carbine SL as the regular Carbine is way too much for my type of riding. Heck, I'd go for a 27.5 Spider! But I guess the carbon retooling for the non-swapout rears would be too costly. The question is, could a Carbine rear fit the SL? Hmmm... ;)
  • 04-25-2012
    Davidcopperfield
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kirk Pacenti View Post
    [...] Offer a 650bSpider and I'll be calling with my credit card digits. :thumbsup:

    Cheers,
    KP

    You said yourself that 27.5 is rather for long travel applications and that 29ers occupy the XC realm. Sort of contradicting yourself now?
    Why would you want a 584mm on xc bikes when 29ers simply work there better?
    Let's put Nino aside because his juvenile adrenaline was simply a shill. :thumbsup: He even lost to a 26er rider later on.
    Christopher Sauser had it right and commented that smaller wheels than 29" are a compromise. He has more experience on 29ers than Nino. Even small Burry Stander can fit a small 29er.
    Bigger Is Better | Cyclingnews.com

    I don't see much sense in developing 27,5ers with less than 6" of travel. All below is pretty much served by 29ers, however they lack lower gearing, negative riser bars, a bit wider hub flanges. These are the places to improve and innovate. People asked many times for correcting these issues. Nobody wanted to correct them by introducing a smaller wheel everywhere (under 150-160mm stroke) just for the sake of novelty. Smells like money for me. :D
    Seriously you would succeed more with 29er specific cranks, cassettes, negative handle bars. Why not? There is money in it as well. I guess even more. I am first one to buy a 29er specific drivetrain from you and light 36h 430g 21mm inner width 622mm/700C rims destined for 36x4 lacing pattern with light spokes. What do you think?

    BTW will all 27.5ers frame have 29er specific dropouts as an option to clear bigger wheels? It would be fun when 27.5er long travel bikes appear and the whole 29er crowd will try to make 29" wheel fit in there just like 26er crowd wanted to fit 27,5" wheels. :D It is only or as much as 38mm difference.
  • 04-26-2012
    pedal-man
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    You said yourself that 27.5 is rather for long travel applications and that 29ers occupy the XC realm. Sort of contradicting yourself now?
    Why would you want a 584mm on xc bikes when 29ers simply work there better?
    Let's put Nino aside because his juvenile adrenaline was simply a shill. :thumbsup: He even lost to a 26er rider later on.
    Christopher Sauser had it right and commented that smaller wheels than 29" are a compromise. He has more experience on 29ers than Nino. Even small Burry Stander can fit a small 29er.
    Bigger Is Better | Cyclingnews.com

    I don't see much sense in developing 27,5ers with less than 6" of travel. All below is pretty much served by 29ers, however they lack lower gearing, negative riser bars, a bit wider hub flanges. These are the places to improve and innovate. People asked many times for correcting these issues. Nobody wanted to correct them by introducing a smaller wheel everywhere (under 150-160mm stroke) just for the sake of novelty. Smells like money for me. :D
    Seriously you would succeed more with 29er specific cranks, cassettes, negative handle bars. Why not? There is money in it as well. I guess even more. I am first one to buy a 29er specific drivetrain from you and light 36h 430g 21mm inner width 622mm/700C rims destined for 36x4 lacing pattern with light spokes. What do you think?

    BTW will all 27.5ers frame have 29er specific dropouts as an option to clear bigger wheels? It would be fun when 27.5er long travel bikes appear and the whole 29er crowd will try to make 29" wheel fit in there just like 26er crowd wanted to fit 27,5" wheels. :D It is only or as much as 38mm difference.

    Uh Oh...dousche bag alert!!!!!! It was only a matter of time. The end of the world is coming in 2012.....for the 29er FANBOYS!!!! What are you gonna do?
  • 04-26-2012
    trekfueler
    I sure do miss the Penny-farthing.:p
  • 04-26-2012
    r1Gel
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dropmachine.com View Post
    So heres a fun question.

    Can a rear end from a Carbine be used on a Carbine SL so we can take advantage of the new dropouts?

    I, too, am very much interested in the answer to this. The regular Carbine is just way too much for the type of riding I do and the places I go to. A 27.5 Carbine SL would be perfect!
  • 04-26-2012
    DFYFZX
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by awai04 View Post
    Hmm, Carbine with regular Stans rims or Aluminum version frame with Enve carbon wheels?? One of the two would be my choice.

    Alloy version with ENVE:thumbsup: Carbon rims are a game changer! My 27lb Sultan feels like a BMX bike after throwing some 1450gr carbon wheels on there:D