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    Quote Originally Posted by FanatikBike.com View Post
    Just built up this Carbine 275 beauty earlier this week...26 lbs flat. XX1, DT 240/ENVE, Revelation SA 650, KS LEV Dropper, etc. Absolute stunner!


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    The Tracer 275 is on my very short list for my first FS bike.

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    Ok, so we've got two very different weights reported here. One at 6lb 1oz and another at 5.55lbs. Any other confirmed weights out there on a small and medium?
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    Hey, FanatikBike.

    Can you put that sweet rig on a scale and post us a pic or two. Not that I don't trust you, I just have to see with my eyes a 26lb. 6" travel bike. Then again, maybe don't. My wallet may be thinner...
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Ok, so we've got two very different weights reported here. One at 6lb 1oz and another at 5.55lbs. Any other confirmed weights out there on a small and medium?
    I posted this earlier in the thread but thought I might reference it again, "5.99lbs for a large painted red Carbine with seat collar and 26" 12x142 dropouts."

    Paint is going to add a good deal to the equation. I worked at Schwinn back in the 90s era of the Bass Boat painted Homegrowns. Some of those paint jobs (wet coat) added up to 3/4 lb to the frame. That's why Homegrowns went to ano frames shortly after!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Ok, so we've got two very different weights reported here. One at 6lb 1oz and another at 5.55lbs. Any other confirmed weights out there on a small and medium?
    Just to clarify, my flo-green small is the one that's 6.1 lbs but it has the BB pressed in and the DT Swiss rear axle installed. BB is 73g, axle is 62g. Take those off and it's 5.76 lbs. Still not the 5.5 lbs I was hoping for but closer. This includes the QR seat collar as well, not sure if the 5.5 lbs claim includes that or not, if not that's another 45g bringing the weight down to 5.66 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanatikBike.com View Post
    Just built up this Carbine 275 beauty earlier this week...26 lbs flat. XX1, DT 240/ENVE, Revelation SA 650, KS LEV Dropper, etc. Absolute stunner!

    Gorgeous bike, not a fan of the Revelation for 650b on this bike though. I've been running the Revelation WC 150mm on my 26" travel bike and it's not the best tracking fork. I think 130mm is about the limit I would run the Revelation again, I've owned the 90-130mm U-Turn air and 140mm Dual Air version with 20mm axle and was impressed with both, more so than the WC 150mm. With taller 650b lowers I'd think this problem would be even worse. On a 6" travel bike with such great stiffness being CF mated with the 12x142 rear axle and CF rims I think the fork may be a bit of a let down. I'm personally waiting for the new X Fusion Slant coming in Feb/Mar, will be heavier than the Revelation but should set up nice at 150mm 650b.

    BTW, with such a nice light build why not save another pound by ditching the Nevegals and putting some Racing Ralph tires on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Ok, so we've got two very different weights reported here. One at 6lb 1oz and another at 5.55lbs. Any other confirmed weights out there on a small and medium?
    My medium naked carbon frame came in at 5.53lbs for frame and shock only. The other weights I saw posted at around the 6lb mark included a few added components like seat collars, bb's, axles, etc..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mglicks View Post
    Just built this bike up for my wife. Comes in at 26.5 pounds.

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    NICE

    BUT:
    How come MTB ACTION MAG says this bike is 30+ pounds for a medium and you have 26.5 for essentially same parts? The weight is why I wait to pull the trigger and switch to a 27.5 from my relatively light 26" Titus Motolite.
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    The 30+ lbs was for the Tracer, not the Carbine. Close to 3 lb weight difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtvet View Post
    NICE

    BUT:
    How come MTB ACTION MAG says this bike is 30+ pounds for a medium and you have 26.5 for essentially same parts? The weight is why I wait to pull the trigger and switch to a 27.5 from my relatively light 26" Titus Motolite.
    My guess is partly the wheels. The crest wheelset is super light. Also the Racing Ralph tires are light and set up tubeless. In addition carbon handlebars lightened the bike up too. The weight is w/ out pedals though.

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    Aren't the RR tires sub 500grs? That would explain the weight. My Carbine in 26" with carbon rims and handlebars, a GD post and a mix of X.9, XT and X.0 weighs 27# even, but the tires are in the 600-700 gr range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtvet View Post
    NICE

    BUT:
    How come MTB ACTION MAG says this bike is 30+ pounds for a medium and you have 26.5 for essentially same parts? The weight is why I wait to pull the trigger and switch to a 27.5 from my relatively light 26" Titus Motolite.
    Aren't they talking about the Tracer 27.5 when they reference 30 plus?

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    Are the 275s still only 160mm rotor or can we now put on 180mm rotors?
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    My Carbine 275 has 180mm rotors F&R. You should be good to go.

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    You will have to custom space the rear caliper adapter with washers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chargerfan View Post
    My Carbine 275 has 180mm rotors F&R. You should be good to go.
    Cool. So I'm assuming those came from Intense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider View Post
    Aren't they talking about the Tracer 27.5 when they reference 30 plus?
    No, Mountain Bike Action December 2012 issue reviewed the Carbine 275 and listed the weight as 31.4lbs. I was thinking it must be a misprint, but the build was with heavy Novatec wheels and Kenda Nevegal 2.35 tires, and dropper post. Still seems like it should weigh closer to 30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny thunder View Post
    No, Mountain Bike Action December 2012 issue reviewed the Carbine 275 and listed the weight as 31.4lbs. I was thinking it must be a misprint, but the build was with heavy Novatec wheels and Kenda Nevegal 2.35 tires, and dropper post. Still seems like it should weigh closer to 30.
    I agree, especially since this test rig in the BikeRumor review was also setup with the same Novatec wheels and Kenda Nevegal tires and came in at 28.1 lbs without pedals and a standard seatpost. Not sure what pedals out there weigh 3.3 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEyedHito View Post
    You will have to custom space the rear caliper adapter with washers.
    You'll also be able to get a +20mm post mount brake adapter to fit as well (ie PM 180 front adapter).
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    Weight turn off

    What a bum deal for Intense if that was a misprint. I'm sure that potential buyers for the carbine 275 may have ruled it out after seeing that weight for that much coin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignazjr View Post
    You'll also be able to get a +20mm post mount brake adapter to fit as well (ie PM 180 front adapter).
    Really, that fits? I thought the premade adapters (eg, Shimano) only spaced it upward to accommodate the taller/larger diameter rotors. On the 275 the dropouts orients the hub back. So, it seems like a regular adapter wouldn't work. Or do you mean using the Intense adapter AND the brake adapter?

    Pics would be great if you have them.
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    Fox 34 is a bit heavy

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    My 180mm rear caliper was mounted using the 180 mm front adapter, and spacers. The guys at the Path have built a few up. Try giving them a call. If they're not too busy maybe they'll clarify exactly how they mount.


    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Really, that fits? I thought the premade adapters (eg, Shimano) only spaced it upward to accommodate the taller/larger diameter rotors. On the 275 the dropouts orients the hub back. So, it seems like a regular adapter wouldn't work. Or do you mean using the Intense adapter AND the brake adapter?

    Pics would be great if you have them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Or do you mean using the Intense adapter AND the brake adapter?
    This will work, yes. Otherwise, if you have a bunch of random adapters at your disposal, you can play around with them to get the spacing correct. Where there is a will, there is a way
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    Enve wheels to be delivered Thurs!!! Friday morning will be the first ride. I'll post up pics and impressions as soon as I can.

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    Just got the call from the LBS. My Carbine 27.5 is built and waiting for me to pick up this afternoon

    Final build:
    •Intense Carbine 27.5 Black medium Fox Float CTD
    •Fox Float 34 27,5 CTD
    •Cane Creek 110 mixed taper headset, red
    •XX1 complete groupo w/ Black Box ceramic BB, red and 28 tooth chainring
    •Magura MT8 Brakes 160/180 w/ titanium rotor bolts
    •Industry 9 flanged hubs red, Sapim CXray spokes black, Enve AM 27.5 rims
    •Easton EC70 carbon handlebar
    •Ibis stem
    •Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35 tires w/ Snakeskin sidewall protection tubeless ready
    •WTB Laser V titanium saddle
    •KS Lev dropper post
    •Time Atac pedals

    Weight according to LBS complete with pedals and sealant is 26.5 pounds

    First ride tomorrow, and a ride report will follow
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    Carbine 27.5 ride report

    OK, so for the ride report….

    I’m coming off a 2012 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR EVO Comp which was upgraded with Magura MT6’s, and Flow/Hope wheels. I aslo spent ½ a dozen days or so on full squish 29ers this past summer as I was considering going that route. That is until I heard about the Carbine 27.5! Having ridden the local trails on 26” a ton, and 29” a handful of times, I was really looking forward to the “in between wheelsize”. For me, I really liked the roll over capabilities of the 29er’s, but did not like the slow turning and heavy front end of the ones I tried. When I would get back on the 26” I would find that it felt super agile and quick to accelerate as compared to the 29”, but not as confident through rock gardens and over obstacles. The Carbine, in theory, was the perfect balance for me.

    I rode my local trail yesterday for the maiden voyage. It was cold, and slick, but I definitely got a taste for the bike and its components. Right out of the gate, I didn’t notice the bigger wheel size under acceleration like I did with the 29er’s. It felt very similar to my 26” bike. The 29er’s definitely took a bit more to get them going. First plus for the Carbine! Up next were a couple of switch backs that took a little more effort with the 29ers than my 26”. The Carbine didn’t seem to take any more effort than my 26”. Another plus!! En route to the first climb there were a few small jumps. The bike was easy to keep level in the air, and the suspension was super plush. On the climb I noticed 2 things. First, the XX1 had more than enough gears for me. I’m in no way in good shape, so we are running the 28t up front. This gives me the same granny gear that I had on my 2x10. It felt very similar to my 26” bike in granny. When I rode 29er’s in their granny they felt like I was in a higher gear as compared to my 26”. The XX1 drivetrain performed flawlessly. Crisp shifts, super smooth, and completely silent. I’m very happy with that choice. Next thing I noticed on the climb was the suspension design. On the FSR I would use the pro-pedal on non-technical climbs to firm up the rear. The carbine had no noticeable bob on any part of the climb, and I left the shock in d mode the entire ride.

    Now for the descent. WOW is all that comes to mind! The bike was super smooth and confidence inspiring. On this particular descent there is an awkward rock drop off that I’ve walked every time this season until yesterday. The Carbine ate it up. On the fast, loose dirt/rock sections it felt glued to the trail.

    All in all, I couldn’t be happier! This bike and build are far superior to anything I’ve owned or ridden in the past. It’s my first carbon frame, carbon wheels, no holds barred build, and I’m sure that has as much to do with the ride as the wheel size. That being said, I do believe the wheel size is perfect for my trails and riding style. I’m stoked on the bike, and am looking forward to many, many, many, happy trails.
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    Just a dreeeaaammmyyy build and looks spectacular If I could do that with a Carbine I'd probably go blue on all the bits and pieces. Really like the red Fox stickers on the forks. Where did you get those?

    Like you, every report of the XX1 drivetrain mirrors your experience. Thing is totally sick and I want one as well but the price It'll trickle down like everything else. The big NN tires are sweet huh? Really liking them on my Jamis.

    Look forward to a few more ride reports
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    I ordered the fox decals from bikesdecals.com I really like them over the stock gold ones. Kind of ties it all together in my opinion.

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    Your bike looks awesome! Nicely built.

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    Yeah, great build! I love the Carbine and 27.5, it's been the best all around bike that I've owned since starting in 1994. I really like the XX1 idea, but I'm really scared to run it without a bash here in the SW.

    How are you liking those brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    The big NN tires are sweet huh? Really liking them on my Jamis.
    The Nics were awesome. Much better rolling tire than I expected. I was a loyal Nevegal rider for many years before this year when I started running lighter tires. I was running Racing Ralphs on back and a Rocket Ron on the front of my stumpy. Since it's winter we wanted a burlier tire. The Nics rolled really well and had tons of grip. I'm running them tubeless and had about 25psi or so in them.

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    I love the brakes. I've been riding Magura's for years now. They just feel right to me, and the MT series continues to impress me. I ran the MT6 on my stumpy all season. They were great. I did have to get the front bled a few times until it was right, but once the air was out they worked flawlessly. The MT8's were awesome on the first ride, and I'm glad I chose them

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    New Tracer 275

    Just completed my Tracer 275. Can't wait to try it out.
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    That build is super sick and sweet!!! My TRc is 26lbs 7ozs but only has about 120mm-ish rear travel (after shimming to accommodate 650b wheels), XT 2x10 drivetrain, Stan's Crest rims. You've got 5.5"-6" and only 26lbs. WOW, bike envy. Your's is a total dream build.
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    The 275's are awesome - I would order one right now ..

    But 1 Big problem..

    No XL's now or planed in the future

    Bummer - 650's are for tall people too...

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    Any plans on an Uzzi 275?

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    Any plans on an Uzzi 275?
    Trying to build up an uzzi275 right now to match my carbine

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    Finished up building my Tracer 275 a few days ago! Came out to 29.26lbs.


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    Mine's done. Size Medium, 27.97 lbs with pedals.
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    I see some sram xx1 builds. What crankset do I need and what is the qfactor?

    I have already some shimano bearings pressed in so I need the Gxp version or the BB30?

    Thanks.

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