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    So I'm going to be switching over to 27.5 drop-outs tomorrow and have never dealt with the G1 drop outs. Can anyone, that knows for a fact, give me the torque specs for the G1 drop-outs on the Carbine?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense View Post
    This wheelset is standard on our XT Expert & SLX Rally 27.5 (see pic below) build kits & I believe Novatec will have these for aftermarket any day . They have performed well on all our 27.5 demo bikes for the last 6 months.Tracer 275 & Carbine 275 completes & frames with kits shipping now with these wheels.
    What is the price of this build? U.S.

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    Been riding the Carbine as a 26 er for 3 weeks and just had my first ride tonight on 27.5 wheels and all I can say is "UUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!"

    4-5 miles of rocky, techy climbing to blast down 3-4 miles of gnarly, rocky, loose and techy descent!

    I really like this bike as a 26", but DAMN it is even SWEETER as a 27.5! I'll give a legit review after I get a couple more weeks of riding it.

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    Okay, so I haven't scanned all the posts here but could someone tell me if a 29er Talas 140 fork will work on the 27.5 Carbine? (I have both ordered)
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    Yes, but can you say chopper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    Yes, but can you say chopper?
    Yeah, my concern too. But what is everyone using?
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    Fox, Rockshox, Xfusion, White Bros & more have 650 forks on the market already. There are also some 26" forks compatible, check the 650 thread at the top of the forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerx View Post
    Yeah, my concern too. But what is everyone using?
    Fox 34 Float/TALAS 650b 160 CTD FIT
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    X-Fusion 26" forks w/10mm limiter

    Yeah, don't use the 29er TALAS on your 650b Carbine.
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    Fox 34 it is then.....
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    What sizes of 650b tires can be used with a Fox 36(26inch) Fork? I think this fork would be an interesting option for a 275 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    What sizes of 650b tires can be used with a Fox 36(26inch) Fork? I think this fork would be an interesting option for a 275 frame.
    Any size. 27.5 is the size of the casing and they fit in a 26" Fox 36. I have a 1/4 inch between the bridge and my 27.5 Nevegal.
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    I've noticed that for the Tracer 275 Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa - Intense, Turner, Ibis, Santa Cruz, Morewood, Evil, Cannondale, Norco, Felt, Surly... shows a rather different geo chart than the intense website. The intense site lists a 13.3" BBH with a 545mm A-C and a 17" chainstay, Intense Cycles Tracer 275 Frame - Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa shows a 14" BBH and a 16.9" CS with the same A-C fork. WB figures are shorter on Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa - Intense, Turner, Ibis, Santa Cruz, Morewood, Evil, Cannondale, Norco, Felt, Surly... as well. If it was a minor difference I'd ignore it but a 13.3" BBH is very different than a 14" BBH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lactatofilo View Post
    What sizes of 650b tires can be used with a Fox 36(26inch) Fork? I think this fork would be an interesting option for a 275 frame.
    Just be aware of the geometry changes that would be introduced with the shorter A2C length of the Fox 36 versus the 650b specific fork that the geo chart assumes:

    @ 160mm
    Fox 36 A2C = 545.3
    Fox 34 650b A2C = 554.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    I've noticed that for the Tracer 275 Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa - Intense, Turner, Ibis, Santa Cruz, Morewood, Evil, Cannondale, Norco, Felt, Surly... shows a rather different geo chart than the intense website. The intense site lists a 13.3" BBH with a 545mm A-C and a 17" chainstay, Intense Cycles Tracer 275 Frame - Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa shows a 14" BBH and a 16.9" CS with the same A-C fork. WB figures are shorter on Fanatik Bike Co. - Bellingham Wa - Intense, Turner, Ibis, Santa Cruz, Morewood, Evil, Cannondale, Norco, Felt, Surly... as well. If it was a minor difference I'd ignore it but a 13.3" BBH is very different than a 14" BBH.
    It seems as though all the geo charts on Intense's website are jacked up. They really should address that ASAP. Missing data, incorrect data and everything in between.

    Not that I would trust Fanatik's understanding of what the geo should be, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief View Post
    Just be aware of the geometry changes that would be introduced with the shorter A2C length of the Fox 36 versus the 650b specific fork that the geo chart assumes:

    @ 160mm
    Fox 36 A2C = 545.3
    Fox 34 650b A2C = 554.4
    That's very interesting since a Fox 36 can already accomodate a 650b. Are you sure the 34 650b A2C is really 554.4?

    The way X-Fusion handles it with the Slant is the A2C is 545 for 650b but travel is reduced from 160mm down to 150mm for the 650b version.

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    I noticed that Fanatik's geo chart shows equal HT angle between 26" & 27.5", but ST angle and even HT length differ. (Maybe they got these figures from Intense)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    That's very interesting since a Fox 36 can already accomodate a 650b. Are you sure the 34 650b A2C is really 554.4?

    The way X-Fusion handles it with the Slant is the A2C is 545 for 650b but travel is reduced from 160mm down to 150mm for the 650b version.
    I have a Fox 34 650b Float fork and YES, the A2C is 554mm. The A2C length is great with a external lower HS cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnw/bear View Post
    I have a Fox 34 650b Float fork and YES, the A2C is 554mm. The A2C length is great with a external lower HS cup.
    I think I'll go with the X-fusion Slant or a traditional Fox 36. That is very tall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    That's very interesting since a Fox 36 can already accomodate a 650b. Are you sure the 34 650b A2C is really 554.4?

    The way X-Fusion handles it with the Slant is the A2C is 545 for 650b but travel is reduced from 160mm down to 150mm for the 650b version.
    The A2C dimensions come from Fox's drawings:

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    Fox 34 (26") = 537.9
    Fox 36 (26") = 545.3
    Fox 34 (27.5") = 554.4

    For 26" wheels, the 36mm stanchion fork has a 7.4mm taller A2C length than the 34mm stanchion version, presumably to accommodate the larger tires that would be run with the beefier fork. Then there's another 9.1mm increase over the Fox 36 to accommodate the 650b tires in the 34mm chassis.

    Fox and X-Fusion just took different approaches. Fox gives you the full 160mm of travel with the 650b fork, but has to make it nearly 10mm longer to do so. X-Fusion kept the same A2C for 26" and 650b applications, but takes away that 10mm when the fork is compressed, resulting in a 10mm reduction of travel. Interesting, considering that X-Fusion engineers are former Fox employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    I think I'll go with the X-fusion Slant or a traditional Fox 36. That is very tall.

    Yes, it's tall, but it's what Intense is basing their geometry numbers on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief View Post
    Yes, it's tall, but it's what Intense is basing their geometry numbers on.
    Yes and No! It states on their website, for both the Carbine 275 and Tracer 275, that Geometry Chart with Fox 150MM 650B- 34- FORK AC 545MM

    You're saying you have a 160MM travel Fox 34 650B with a 554 AC. Possible that Intense is getting OEM Fox 34 forks with 10mm less travel and a shorter AC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    Yes and No! It states on their website, for both the Carbine 275 and Tracer 275, that Geometry Chart with Fox 150MM 650B- 34- FORK AC 545MM

    You're saying you have a 160MM travel Fox 34 650B with a 554 AC. Possible that Intense is getting OEM Fox 34 forks with 10mm less travel and a shorter AC?
    I quoted a 160mm Fox 34 650b fork A2C at 554.4mm. Take that same fork, reduce the travel by 10mm to 150mm (which you can do, see link below), and you arrive at the Intense-quoted A2C length of 544.4mm (545mm).

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    Save yourselves the trouble of guessing and buy a Revelation. ;o) Shorter, lighter, decent price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by savechief View Post
    Just be aware of the geometry changes that would be introduced with the shorter A2C length of the Fox 36 versus the 650b specific fork that the geo chart assumes:

    @ 160mm
    Fox 36 A2C = 545.3
    Fox 34 650b A2C = 554.4
    I have a Fox 36 160mm and have a 67 degree head angle with 26" and 27.5" set ups.
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    I wish I didn't see this thread. A 650b 6 inch travel bike!!
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    Took the plunge and placed an order for a Tracer 275 Small with the CC DB Air shock. I guess no more lurking around 650b forums/threads, I'm diving in head first. I hope I'm as blown away as some of the guys who've had the chance to demo ride this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    I wish I didn't see this thread. A 650b 6 inch travel bike!!
    Here is some more ammunition to shoot holes in your wallet

    Finally got the complete finished set up with carbon rims front and back. This bike went from awesome to INCREDIBLE!! The feel of the bike didn't change from a 26" config, but the performance on rocky, tech climbs and descents is so noticeably nicer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    Here is some more ammunition to shoot holes in your wallet

    Finally got the complete finished set up with carbon rims front and back. This bike went from awesome to INCREDIBLE!! The feel of the bike didn't change from a 26" config, but the performance on rocky, tech climbs and descents is so noticeably nicer!
    Curse you!!! Now I'm really dying. Did I also read the claimed weight right? 5.5lbs for a 6" travel frame?! Unheard of. Heck, my HD came in at 7lbs for the dang small frame (more than the claimed weight).

    650b, 26", different axle sizes, 5.5", 6" wow, what a versatile frame. Oh, and carbon too. Unreal!! But within the last 4 months I bought an HD and a TRc. If the real world numbers work out (build weight under 30lbs) this could be a one bike do-it-all frame.

    Ok, someone buy my HD and TRc and give me their CC number please

    BTW, what carbon rims are those? They're not Enve's or Easton from the lack of stickers. What's your build weight?
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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    I wish I didn't see this thread. A 650b 6 inch travel bike!!
    Your a little late to the game. Scott 700, Intense Tracer275, Transition Bandit = 6" + 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlucky82 View Post
    Your a little late to the game. Scott 700, Intense Tracer275, Transition Bandit = 6" + 650b

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    You're right. And I wish I were even later, like after I've won the lottery. But this one's got a proven suspension design and is under 6lbs frame weight, claimed weight at least.

    BTW, anyone with some pics of the frame on a scale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    Took the plunge and placed an order for a Tracer 275 Small with the CC DB Air shock. I guess no more lurking around 650b forums/threads, I'm diving in head first. I hope I'm as blown away as some of the guys who've had the chance to demo ride this.
    When are you supposed to get your frame? I ordered a large about a month and it's coming by the end of the month!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan1104 View Post
    When are you supposed to get your frame? I ordered a large about a month and it's coming by the end of the month!
    Shop I ordered from received their first batch of frames last friday but they were all medium and large, they expect the smalls in another week or two.

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    My frame weight came in just under 6 lbs for a large; Sorry didn't take pictures and am not stripping my bike down to prove it. My build weight was 28.5 lbs with East carbon Havens and Specialized grid casing tires. It's now 28.8 with my carbon 650b wheels and slightly lighter tires.

    The rims are from Light-Bicycle, a Chinese company. Cheap, well built and TLR. There is a thread on them in this sub forum, the 29 forum and the Wheels forum. I got lucky and bought carbon Havens new for $1300 to see if the carbon wheel was that great; It is! Whether aluminum or carbon, rims get the crap kicked out of them when you ride aggressive in AZ, and I'm not forking over $1800 for rims that will get trashed eventually. Now $365 shipped is a different story. Mine seated right away with gorilla tape and feel great!
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    Evolve carbon?

    Quote Originally Posted by slowrider View Post
    Snappy fast with deep travel that didn't absorb the small stuff as well as a 6" bike should. Rode it back to back with a Ellsworth Evolve and while the Evolve really rode smooth it was sluggish and the Tracer 275 felt like an xc racer. My impression of both bikes could be attributed to set up and was a single short 3-4 mile out and back, Evolve 1st and 275 second, making the quickness of the 275 all the more impressive.
    Are you comparing the new Ellsworth carbon Evolve to the Carbine 27.5? I want to hear more about this please. Looking at the same two.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kburati View Post
    Shop I ordered from received their first batch of frames last friday but they were all medium and large, they expect the smalls in another week or two.
    Huh... Interesting. Thanks for the info!

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    Both aluminum frames

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny thunder View Post
    Are you comparing the new Ellsworth carbon Evolve to the Carbine 27.5? I want to hear more about this please. Looking at the same two.....
    I'm old school and don't believe in plastic frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    BTW, anyone with some pics of the frame on a scale?
    5.99lbs for a large painted red Carbine with seat collar and 26" 12x142 dropouts. I just weighed it. I took a pic but it didn't turn out great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    My frame weight came in just under 6 lbs for a large; Sorry didn't take pictures and am not stripping my bike down to prove it. My build weight was 28.5 lbs with East carbon Havens and Specialized grid casing tires. It's now 28.8 with my carbon 650b wheels and slightly lighter tires.

    The rims are from Light-Bicycle, a Chinese company. Cheap, well built and TLR. There is a thread on them in this sub forum, the 29 forum and the Wheels forum. I got lucky and bought carbon Havens new for $1300 to see if the carbon wheel was that great; It is! Whether aluminum or carbon, rims get the crap kicked out of them when you ride aggressive in AZ, and I'm not forking over $1800 for rims that will get trashed eventually. Now $365 shipped is a different story. Mine seated right away with gorilla tape and feel great!
    oh, you went with the Chinese carbon rims and have good luck so far? I've seen somewhere where (i think it was these rims) had a catastrophic failure/crack on the rim edge. I guess if you can build them yourself then it's worth taking a chance. But for mortals like myself I'd have to pay $150 just for the build. Still, they're working for you and that's all that counts.

    I use Spec. GRIDs too and they're uber heavy. With those my HD build came to 32.5lbs. Not what I was expecting for a carbon frame but I do have a VAN 36 coil up front so that kills the weight too.

    This sounds so good, VPP, 6" travel, 650 wheels, and under 29lbs. Nice work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    oh, you went with the Chinese carbon rims and have good luck so far? I've seen somewhere where (i think it was these rims) had a catastrophic failure/crack on the rim edge. I guess if you can build them yourself then it's worth taking a chance. But for mortals like myself I'd have to pay $150 just for the build. Still, they're working for you and that's all that counts.

    I use Spec. GRIDs too and they're uber heavy. With those my HD build came to 32.5lbs. Not what I was expecting for a carbon frame but I do have a VAN 36 coil up front so that kills the weight too.

    This sounds so good, VPP, 6" travel, 650 wheels, and under 29lbs. Nice work!
    I've been using the 26" versions of those rims since May or June on my Carbine. They've been holding up to Sierra rocky trails so far. Can't complain. With light tires (but not too light), a 32 fork and a Gravity Dropper, bike weighs 27# even. I assume that it'd be closer to 28 in 650b.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorg View Post
    I've been using the 26" versions of those rims since May or June on my Carbine. They've been holding up to Sierra rocky trails so far. Can't complain. With light tires (but not too light), a 32 fork and a Gravity Dropper, bike weighs 27# even. I assume that it'd be closer to 28 in 650b.
    Yo, Zorg.

    I didnt know you're using them too. They've stayed true too? Did you build them or you pay for the build? I gotta test ride yours if its okay again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Yo, Zorg.

    I didnt know you're using them too. They've stayed true too? Did you build them or you pay for the build? I gotta test ride yours if its okay again.
    I've been using the wide rims, which I believe are a hair under 400gr (never weighed them, based on others' feedback). I bought the rims, and had the shop build them up. We can do another bike swap soon if you want (although not this w-e). Would love to try the TRc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    oh, you went with the Chinese carbon rims and have good luck so far? I've seen somewhere where (i think it was these rims) had a catastrophic failure/crack on the rim edge. I guess if you can build them yourself then it's worth taking a chance. But for mortals like myself I'd have to pay $150 just for the build. Still, they're working for you and that's all that counts.

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    Don't know if this carbon is going to hold up to normal Southwest riding

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    Just ordered my Carbine 27.5 yesterday. I'm super psyched for this build. It's a sky's the limit dream bike for me. Shop told me no green frames avail, 4 weeks for red, and 6 for naked. I wanted the green, but went with the naked since it's not available any time soon. Medium frame btw. I'm going in Friday to finalize the build, but Enve AM's with kings have been ordered along with the frame at this point. Original thought was full XTR 2x10, but I need to look into XX1 as an option. I'll update as decisions are made, and photo's to come as the build starts.

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    Sounds like a great build. Can't wait to see it.

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    OK so I spent the afternoon at the LBS discussing the build. Need some input. We are leaning towards XX1. The original idea was Enve/Kings but as of now there isn't an XX1/king hub. We are going to contact CK and see if they are coming out with a compatible freehub in time. Otherwise I need to go DT 240's. Next dilemma is the brakes. My current bike has Magura MT6's, and I've ridden Magura for the past 6 or 7 years. I love Magura's, but have definitely had some headaches with the MT series this summer. When working properly the performance is fantastic, but I've had to bleed them quite often. I suggested the new XTR brakes. LBS says MT8's. We are putting a Fox 34 float, reverb stealth, carbon bars, ck headset on to complete the build.

    I'm looking for thoughts on the hub situation and the brakes.

    Thanks in advance for your input

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcohen View Post
    OK so I spent the afternoon at the LBS discussing the build. Need some input. We are leaning towards XX1. The original idea was Enve/Kings but as of now there isn't an XX1/king hub. We are going to contact CK and see if they are coming out with a compatible freehub in time. Otherwise I need to go DT 240's. Next dilemma is the brakes. My current bike has Magura MT6's, and I've ridden Magura for the past 6 or 7 years. I love Magura's, but have definitely had some headaches with the MT series this summer. When working properly the performance is fantastic, but I've had to bleed them quite often. I suggested the new XTR brakes. LBS says MT8's. We are putting a Fox 34 float, reverb stealth, carbon bars, ck headset on to complete the build.

    I'm looking for thoughts on the hub situation and the brakes.

    Thanks in advance for your input
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTB Pilot View Post
    The XTR 988s are the BOMB!!! I run them on my Carbine and my Session 88. Strong and great modulating. Best brakes I've every used
    I have yet to hear a bad review of the XTR's. I think it's time I give something other than Magura a try.

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    I will second the love for the XTR Trail brakes. Rode Formula The Ones for years and switched over a few months ago. It was a significant upgrade.

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    It's sounding like XTR brakes are going to end up on the bike.

    Now I just need to finalize the hub situation.

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