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    Snare traps behind Camelsback

    This is an excerpt from an email a friend sent me. We also heard this morning from the Ridges to Rivers folks that this in fact, happened. No news yet on the condition of the fox. Hopefully- it's not this cutie... I took it's photo this past summer.

    I wanted to send this out for anyone who owns a dog,
    or knows other people with dogs, that walks in the
    foothills behind Camel's Back Park. A few days ago my
    friends and I were walking our dogs on the gravel road
    that parallels 8th St. and Chickadee ridge. The dogs
    saw a fox and ran after it. The fox ran down into the
    gully below the ridge and where there is a marsh/pond.
    We were able to call all the dogs back except one. My
    friend hopped the fence and started down to get his
    dog, who was standing a few feet away from the fox. He
    got the dog away, but noticed the fox had its foot
    tangled in some wire and was caught.

    To shorten this up, phone calls were made and a woman
    met my friends to help rescue the fox. The fox was
    rescued from a snare trap that cut its foot to the
    bone. It will live, but they are still waiting to see
    whether its foot will need to be amputated from the
    damage.

    Local agencies, like BLM, Parks and Rec, and Fish and
    Game have been called. They don't have records of
    traps, or permits for traps, being placed there and
    the trap had no identifying tag. Please be careful
    when you are walking your dog in the foothills and be
    aware. Someone is setting traps and it could easily
    have been the dog and not the fox that got caught.
    Either way is tragic.
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    crazy!

    that's awful! i walk george every morning and luckily i haven't run across anything like this and i hope that i never have to! also as a friendly reminder to everyone that runs/hikes/rides in the foothills with dogs, the coyotes are really out there at full strength. this morning there was a bunch of them talking over between red sands and hulls and then another group howling over between crestline and military reserve. i've also heard of someone seeing a group of 6 back at the bridge where hulls meets up with crestline. we all know that they're out there, just keep in mind that they're a little closer than we think. a dog and coyote battle is not one that anyone wants to go through. enjoy the trails!!

    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    This is an excerpt from an email a friend sent me. We also heard this morning from the Ridges to Rivers folks that this in fact, happened. No news yet on the condition of the fox. Hopefully- it's not this cutie... I took it's photo this past summer.

    I wanted to send this out for anyone who owns a dog,
    or knows other people with dogs, that walks in the
    foothills behind Camel's Back Park. A few days ago my
    friends and I were walking our dogs on the gravel road
    that parallels 8th St. and Chickadee ridge. The dogs
    saw a fox and ran after it. The fox ran down into the
    gully below the ridge and where there is a marsh/pond.
    We were able to call all the dogs back except one. My
    friend hopped the fence and started down to get his
    dog, who was standing a few feet away from the fox. He
    got the dog away, but noticed the fox had its foot
    tangled in some wire and was caught.

    To shorten this up, phone calls were made and a woman
    met my friends to help rescue the fox. The fox was
    rescued from a snare trap that cut its foot to the
    bone. It will live, but they are still waiting to see
    whether its foot will need to be amputated from the
    damage.

    Local agencies, like BLM, Parks and Rec, and Fish and
    Game have been called. They don't have records of
    traps, or permits for traps, being placed there and
    the trap had no identifying tag. Please be careful
    when you are walking your dog in the foothills and be
    aware. Someone is setting traps and it could easily
    have been the dog and not the fox that got caught.
    Either way is tragic.

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    They do this stuff legally in the hills above Salt Lake (Bountiful specifically- where I grew up) and I've heard about it outside McCall. I think its crazy- even if it is legal in some areas- imagine the damage they'll do to a kid or a dog. Pretty irresponsible to put the trap so close to a park or trail.

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    Upset Wildlife?

    Just the other day my wife was walking south towards the lower Hulls Gulch parking lot. She heard a noise and thought it was our dog catching up to her. She looked over and a fox went trotting by within 2 feet heading in the same direction with no apparent fear of her. Traps in such a heavily used area is absolutely nuts.
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    More wildlife

    I forwarded the snare trap alert to a friend and she reported that her running buddy has recently spotted a cougar on Red Sands in the early morning...

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    ok. ok. now this is where i'm a little freaked out! i'm on this trail every morning with george! how early morning are we talking?! when did they see the kittie?! are they absolutely positively sure that it was a cat?! not sure what else it could be with that shape and color.....maybe i'll start bringing some cat nip with me!

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    Probably one of us redneck 2C'ers setting those traps!!!!!

    Or it could be a 6B'er!

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    I don't think so...

    Probably one of us redneck 2C'ers setting those traps!!!!!
    Y'all would just use guns and claim it "was coming right for us"...

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    Aw geez not the "wild predators are stalking me" theme again. I've had an encounter with a badger on Corrals summit that was much worse than any I've have with any of the coyotes, foxes, mountain lions or black bears I've seen in the foothills. It's the downhill dudes, cross country racers, hateful runners, self-righteous hikers and ignorant horseback riders that'll bogart your foothills experience most of all - we know that.
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    Really...

    you are more likely to encounter harm driving your car (assuming you drive one) to work in the morning than you are to encounter a cougar out to do you harm.
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    i agree with that! i just don't want to be looked at as "food"!

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    Wild predator....sounds like a date gone wrong...or right...which ever way you look at it.

    FYI - there is a cougar in the Foothills. But there have also been cougar sitings on the Greenbelt. I hear your supposed to run AT a cougar and not from it. Running from it kicks in the predation instinct, while running at it kicks in the flight instinct.

    There are are also bears too (Upper Dry Creek).

    There is a fox den by Castle Rock. From the cat skulls the litter the outside of the den, it really likes "cat" food.

    The animals I get sketched out the most by is the sheep herder's Great Pyrenees, and the guy in the pink lycra & hip waders with the velcro gloves. <Shudders>
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    A must read

    Beast in the Garden

    I have it for anyone that wants to read it. Eventhough it is a non-fiction book, it was very hard to put down (reads just like a Krakauer book). By the end of the book, you'll realize the events in Boulder mirror what is happening in Boise now... Heck, the picture on the cover even looks like Boise!
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    there are all sorts of creatures hanging out in the foothills. like i said, its all a friendly reminder to just pay attention. i'm not sure if i could muster up the gumption to ran at a cat! the sheep herder's great pyrenees is quite the beast, isn't he?! my dog always want to play with him and he's just all business!

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    [QUOTE=Visicypher]snipsnipsnipQUOTE]
    What about the "sensative guys" who like to hug and kiss their puddy tats. Those guys freak me out in a not good way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Beast in the Garden

    I have it for anyone that wants to read it. Eventhough it is a non-fiction book, it was very hard to put down (reads just like a Krakauer book). By the end of the book, you'll realize the events in Boulder mirror what is happening in Boise now... Heck, the picture on the cover even looks like Boise!
    Ya' know...I think Twisted was telling me about this book when I went and picked up railroad ties from him this summer???
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    Californication

    I doubt Boise would ever have a herd of "pet" deer allowed to roam freely through town like in Boulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    By the end of the book, you'll realize the events in Boulder mirror what is happening in Boise now...
    Except the politics in Boulder are distinctly different than here and I believe the wildlife management practices are different as well. I doubt Boise would ever have a herd of "pet" deer allowed to roam freely through town like in Boulder. The traditional western values here would dictate that if a cougar were to start terrorizing our beloved (sic) foothills we would have to all take up torches and rakes and shovels and shotguns and form a mob that hunts the animal down to its inevitable demise with chants of "Kill the beast"
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    Mesa meowwww...

    Someone sent me these pictures a couple of years ago. Apparently, this was taken off of someone's deck on the Mesa...








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    Boy, that glass looks awfully thin.

    Not sure I would have had the nads to take those pics. What if Kitty didn't like the flash?

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    Or...

    What if kitty does not know about glass? That cat is so "habituated" it's scary! Cougars used to have an instinctive fear of humans and once they lose it-watch out! This cat has obviously lost all fear of people.

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    Cats the only thing that spoke me

    I was fishing up on the South Fork once below Anderson Ranch, had waded down into a fairly wooded area, had the urge so got out on the bank to take a leak. I was standing in the opening of a grove of willows just looking 'round, takin' care of business when I happened to look down and notice the cat prints all over in the snow on the ground. Made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, reminded me of that scene from 'Apocolypse Now'....never get off the boat, never get off the boat!

    Hiking in the White Clouds and saw wolf tracks in the snow....no problem, actually thought that was cool.

    Cats freak me out, as do those pictures. Flip's right, that thing has lost its fear of people and that is when animals become dangerous...

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    Hear kitty kitty kitty

    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Someone sent me these pictures a couple of years ago. Apparently, this was taken off of someone's deck on the Mesa...
    Thanks for posting these pics! I opened this one in pchop to take a look in the shadows. Just seeing the eyes is kinda creepy.
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    Two friends have "met" cougars in the Foothills. They told me that they aren't as far up as people would think. They were the ones that told me that you HAD to run AT the cat. I've actually heard that from a number of people. They also told me there are more than a few bears over by Stack Rock and Eastside.

    If it makes you feel any better (or worse), a co-worker saw a cougar crossing the Greenbelt by the Parkcenter Bridge last year or so.
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    Just thought I would pass this along. Sounds like channel 7 is looking for someone that has first hand knowledge about the snares in the foothills.

    Quotes from Bill Krumm at KTVB
    "Thank you for the info…Is your friend willing to share the story with one of our reporters?…I had heard this was a concern but haven’t had anybody specific that witnessed the event to talk to….we really need that element to tell the best story….

    Thanks,
    Bill Krumm
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    "Thank you…we’re still interested….Ysabel Bilbao is the reporter working this story…she has located the animal rehab person who has the fox and is waiting for a call back from her….we would still like to find a witness to the trapping….I appreciate your help….

    If so you should conctactYsabel’s at ybilbao@ktvb.com or 989-5148 (Jason, her photographer, will answer that cell phone but she’ll be with him…) Her desk phone is 321-5751
    Bill"

    Any local personalities that want some face time or spotlight on them to help shed some light on this?

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    A wildlife diddy

    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    What if kitty does not know about glass? That cat is so "habituated" it's scary! Cougars used to have an instinctive fear of humans and once they lose it-watch out! This cat has obviously lost all fear of people.
    I spent a christmas in Anchorage many moons ago, one evening a 8-9 foot tall moose is roaming the streets knocking over trash cans and grazing the rubbish. I decide I give a look-see and open up the front door. Well of course the trash can is near the door cause nobody want to "take out the trash dear" very far. So the Moose comes to visit me thinking I have some upgraded vittles. I don't disappoint the "wild animal" and give it some love by petting it's nose. I liked it (very velvety soft) the Moose looked a bit disappointed - no grub. This Moose would of stomped my @ss in the spring when the ladies were around. Luckily for me it was winter and I got a little nookie.

    Quickly on the the foothills - My guess the snare trap was some pet owner/breeder that got tired of replacing fluffy.

    And for the wildlife in the foothills - people that actually live in the wilderness have DOGS for a reason, they make a nice barrier between them and the wildlife.

    If people really want to keep mountain lions off the front they need to get some of these cute little buggers.
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    I think my favorite urban legand re: cats in the foothills was the family in Highlands Hackberry (just off Bogus Basin Road) that was sitting in their hot tub in the back yard when a mtn lion jumped over the fence into their back yard. Apparently the lion was surprised enough that it just got the hell out of there.

    I've got friends in Washington that have reflector eye decals stuck on their helmets (sides and back) just in case the kitty needs staring down while their out riding.

    And not for some real kitty cat fun. This kitty was doing catnip and having a lick session when I decided it wanted to pose for Pethouse
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    First tracks...

    All this talk about big scary cats has me all jumpy. I was actually pretty nervous heading out on my run this morning up hulls, but me and the little dog braved it anyway. Its amazing the resemblance between a bush and a crouched up oversized kitty. Luckily, Jake and I made it back alive. All we saw were a couple other runners and a TON of fox tracks. No cougar tracks though.
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    True...Ridgebacks love cats!!!! Weren't they originally bred to hunt big kitties??? And I don't mean troll downtown at 6th and Main.....

    I roll at night in the Foothills with Vizslas....
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    Love Vizslas!

    Quote Originally Posted by Visicypher
    True...Ridgebacks love cats!!!! Weren't they originally bred to hunt big kitties??? And I don't mean troll downtown at 6th and Main.....
    I roll at night in the Foothills with Vizslas....
    You have to imagine that a cougar uses it's hearing to hunt, when there are very fast moving paws hitting the ground and hard breathing, the cat would have to be pretty desperate or habituated to mount an attack.

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    I feel alot safer when I take G's ridgeback with me in the hills. And yes, they are cat hunting dogs. My dad was telling me just the other day about a ridgeback he had growing up. He grew up in Kingman, AZ and as an afterschool job when he was 15-17 years old he was paid by local ranchers to hunt cats. He said his ridgeback Ricky used to hunt them down with him... his cat hunting stories are crazy. That dog was nuts, but fiercely loyal.
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    Disposable dogs

    Our Jack Russell Terrier would be scared sh!tless if he saw a cougar. One the other hand if he encountered a badger I'm sure take it on. Funny how different breeds have hunting instincts for different wildlife.
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    The place where the fox was caught, I have seen homeless people sleeping in the brush there before, maybe they were trying to catch some quail. Possibly someone was trying to catch a raccoon, those are all over the place now. Pretty dangerous and stupid with all the kids playing in that area, I hope they catch that a-hole. The pictures of the cougar on the porch are cool, but seems like a lot of snow in the background for the Mesa. Could that have been taken in Wilderness Ranch?

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    Sorry for the dog Hi Jack

    Quote Originally Posted by rocknrollbarbie
    He said his ridgeback Ricky used to hunt them down with him... his cat hunting stories are crazy. That dog was nuts, but fiercely loyal.
    O.K. I'am OUT - I don't hunt big game cats, I'am just lucky enough to have one who would love to as a partner. My Redbone Daisy's hounding days are behind her, she's 13, but her nose still works like crazy.

    First pic is of my beloved Daisy

    Second two are Redbones working the hunt
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    Cougars

    I come from mtn lion country and once saw a ginormous up near Mt. Pinos near Frazier Park. The beast must've been 6' long and was able to jump up a 10' embankment on the mountaing road in a single bound - freaked me out big time.

    I guess it's time to start packing some heat for my dork looping. Does Camelback make some kind of holster for a pistol?...

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    Buck Back Mountain

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    What about the "sensative guys" who like to hug and kiss their puddy tats. Those guys freak me out in a not good way.

    I feel your pain! Once all those gun carrying Owhyee rednecks see "Buck Back Mountain," they are going to put a way the guns for hun'en and use'em for fun! I don't know what's worse, the puddy eyeing you for treats or Buck Back man eye'n your tender vitals and "pok'en some fun"!

    Think I will go back to wearing baggies with garlic in the pockets!

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    Lua

    I feel alot safer when I take G's ridgeback with me in the hills.

    As RRB can attest, Lua likes to be top predator out on the trails. If she sniffs out a non-dog predator scent, she's off chasing it down (foxes and coyotes are her particular favorite prey). Oh yeah, and they were bred to hunt African lions (well-other dogs were also bred to hunt African lions but only the Ridgebacks survived).
    The cool thing is-she's the sweetest dog to those that she trusts...
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    Ferocious Beast

    Great looking dogs everyone, and very impressive breed history.

    This beast below was bred to kill wild dingos and crocs. This breed has been known to maul kangaroos just for fun. Oddly enough, it only licks wallabees and humans. If you see me and Derby out on the trails, be careful because she's a viscious killer, I'm not kidding you at all.
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    Puppy smut

    Quote Originally Posted by Bombin4X
    Great looking dogs everyone, and very impressive breed history.

    This beast below was bred to kill wild dingos and crocs. This breed has been known to maul kangaroos just for fun. Oddly enough, it only licks wallabees and humans. If you see me and Derby out on the trails, be careful because she's a viscious killer, I'm not kidding you at all.
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    Lion mauling...

    Did you guys see this? Lion/Biker story Someone mentions in the thread that the lions are where the deer are. Hmmm, I saw a herd of deer hanging out in the middle of 8th street this morning just before 6am. There were at least 8 of them. They were standing on and next to the paved road by the big carved Hulls Reserve rock.
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    MBA Quote

    Quote Originally Posted by rocknrollbarbie
    Did you guys see this? Lion/Biker story Someone mentions in the thread that the lions are where the deer are. Hmmm, I saw a herd of deer hanging out in the middle of 8th street this morning just before 6am. There were at least 8 of them. They were standing on and next to the paved road by the big carved Hulls Reserve rock.
    A quote taken from MBA

    "You might remember the story of how Mark died on January 8, 2004, when he was attacked by a 112 pound mountain lion while fixing a broken chain during a ride at Whiting Ranch. You may also remember that later that day the cougar attacked again, taking Anne Hjelle clean off her bike."

    I'am pretty sure Anne survived the attack with some physical scars.

    I'am all for dogs in the foothills! Especially in the winter.

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    Freaking spooky

    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_Burn
    A quote taken from MBA

    "You might remember the story of how Mark died on January 8, 2004, when he was attacked by a 112 pound mountain lion while fixing a broken chain during a ride at Whiting Ranch. You may also remember that later that day the cougar attacked again, taking Anne Hjelle clean off her bike."

    I'am pretty sure Anne survived the attack with some physical scars.

    I'am all for dogs in the foothills! Especially in the winter.
    Alright now I'm not going out alone anymore, you and RRB got me all sppoked like a little sissy.

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    Fox put to sleep...

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    From the looks of the picture on the previous IS article, it was this fox that was trapped (picture taken this past fall).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuna
    The pictures of the cougar on the porch are cool, but seems like a lot of snow in the background for the Mesa. Could that have been taken in Wilderness Ranch?
    The pictures of the cougar in the "Boise foothills" have shown up all over the internet over the last couple of years, with different people saying the photos were taken in Colorado, California, Boise (I first saw them attributed to a back yard in Foothills East, not the Mesa), and other places. I'm not sure where that cat was photographed, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't Boise.

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    Not sure if that's true or not..

    Quote Originally Posted by rocknrollbarbie
    Did you guys see this? Lion/Biker story Someone mentions in the thread that the lions are where the deer are. Hmmm, I saw a herd of deer hanging out in the middle of 8th street this morning just before 6am. There were at least 8 of them. They were standing on and next to the paved road by the big carved Hulls Reserve rock.
    We saw tons of deer at Whiting Ranch around Thanksgiving (more than I've ever noticed before) may have been because I was hiking rather than flying along on a mtn bike.

    However, someone said it is when thare are NO deer around that a big cat may be in the vicinity, not sure...

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