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    Singletrack tips

    Lua says:

    1. Keep your eyes up and look down the trail to where you want to go.
    2. Push your weight down into the berm.
    3. Accelerate out of the corner
    4. STAY ON THE TRAIL
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    Donde estas? Looks nuevo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Donde estas? Looks nuevo.
    Very new and very nearly finished (a few days away). Location- virtually your backyard. Expect an announcement when it's complete although there will still be some shaping and finishing work that will need to be completed by volunteers. R2R and David Gordon needs to take credit for this trail. It's progressive compared to the established trails..

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    Great photo Gary! Thats one happy looking dog.
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    bound to cover just a little more ground!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Very new and very nearly finished (a few days away). Location- virtually your backyard. Expect an announcement when it's complete although there will still be some shaping and finishing work that will need to be completed by volunteers. R2R and David Gordon needs to take credit for this trail. It's progressive compared to the established trails..
    Watchman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Watchman?
    Watchman! hahahahahaahahahaahahah. Ain't no berms on Watchman. You need to get off the sofa more, Shirley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Watchman?
    EP, I was being literal when I meant, "your backyard". I heard it was going to be completed this week but there will be some finishing work for the jumps and berms so the location probably won't be publicized until it's officially opened. It's going to be short but very sweet piece of trail with a little bit for everyone.
    Speaking of Watchman, that trail is supposed to be finished this week as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Speaking of Watchman, that trail is supposed to be finished this week as well....
    It's all ridable now. You just need to push up the last segment to the Trail 6 connector. The Kubota was pushing dirt on the alternate yesterday. It's worth riding mostly because it's new and clings to the hillside in a Klingon kind of way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    EP, I was being literal when I meant, "your backyard".
    Aha. I get it now. I'm a little mentally slow.

    Must be from all the ecstacy.
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    D.Gordon should get credit. Aenema and I-Feel-Waygaa (aka elphilmino) should also get props.
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    is it possible to get better directions to watchman, so that I can find it in the dark. Tried last night and failed.

    If you are going up 5 mile is it prior to the creek crossing where the concrete watchman hut is, or after that creek crossing? Should it be easy to see where this trail connects to 5 mile with a decent head lamp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orfa
    is it possible to get better directions to watchman, so that I can find it in the dark. Tried last night and failed.

    If you are going up 5 mile is it prior to the creek crossing where the concrete watchman hut is, or after that creek crossing? Should it be easy to see where this trail connects to 5 mile with a decent head lamp?
    After the creek crossing with the hut and after the next creek crossing. When you get to the signpost that goes to the junction with Orchard Gulch and 7 or 2 go left (it's not marked yet but there is a trail). Grind another half mile or so, look for a new trail peeling up and left. Yo.
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    Definitely David Gordon

    It was his idea, his initiative, his vision, etc. Only help he got was turning his vision into a rideable reality. He mostly had it but wanted help with the flow side of things. I can't wait to ride laps on this trail, I think it will open a lot of eyes and start a trend toward some serious goodness. I am excited.

    Love the pic Gary, Lua needs to teach some clinics.

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    that trail looks sweet
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    Is it a trail or a trail segment? It has to be at least a mile long to be a trail.
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    Thanks

    Hey Dave Gordon and R2 crew,

    THANKS for the flow! Building trails over the last couple of seasons I have really come to appreciate Dave's layout of corners and setting a grade that you can climb all day. Someone on the R2 crew does amazing rock work. Now it looks like we even have some corners to rail.

    Aenema and I-Feel-Waygaa, thanks for being the guinea pigs and input.

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    Yes,

    I'd like to offer my personal thanks to D.G. It has been honor to work with. He puts up with a lot sh!t, and still keeps on going. I know I couldn't put up with the grief he has gotten. Hell, I could barely keep up with the grief I get. David, I know you'll read this. Know that you do good work. I have had a magazine editor say we are spoiled, and you, sir, should smiled whole heartedly about that. I will miss working with you.

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    DG and crew are at the center of why Boise has such a good trail system. It seems that every year at the end of the season there are new goodies out there finish the season on and look forward to riding next season. I'm already doing laps on Watchman before it gets snowed in. And I'm already looking forward to what on the plate for next year
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    The trail is officially open although the signage that has been ordered may take a while. The trail is an extension of the Rock Island trail and can be accessed at the top and at the end of Rock Island. The trail definitely flows better from East to West. If you do ride it, please make sure that you don't blow out the berms. Also, you will see volunteers working on shaping some of the berms/jumps on the West side so watch your speed...
    Here is SJ on one of the rocks on the trail.

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    Great trail and kudos to R2R. It is always nice to see more trails being added in Boise. I think David certainly does get a lot of feedback and it is nice to see this feedback turned into dirt. Maybe we are just picky here in town, but we seem to expect a lot from our land managers even though we have so much.

    I look forward to more projects like this.... really adds nice variety. Plus I am planning on moving over towards tablerock in the next couple of years so this will be nice to have in the backyard.

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    I believe the signage will state this

    But until it is in place, be aware that this trail is a 'downhill has priority' trail. How cool is that? But if you go and ride it, please be aware that the fact that there are jumps in it means that stopping or slowing may be next to impossible and that Downhill traffic will need you to be out of their way. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aenema
    But until it is in place, be aware that this trail is a 'downhill has priority' trail. How cool is that? But if you go and ride it, please be aware that the fact that there are jumps in it means that stopping or slowing may be next to impossible and that Downhill traffic will need you to be out of their way. Enjoy!
    Is there going to be "Downhill has priority" signage? There should be - for the sake of all users. You can make rules on the Web but they don't mean squat on the dirt.

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    according to discussions we had, yes

    The talk we had is that whenever you have a trail with jumps, uphill traffic is very dangerous. The idea of this trail is to make it fun both ways so the compromise is to have it be a downhill has priority trail. My understanding is that the signage will say exactly this.

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    I rode Watchman today. It rideable all the way through, but still needs a lot of finishing work (if they plan on having water drain off the trail). It's really cool that it's built; I'm happy. However, riding past all of the rock that was exposed next to the trail, I only wish that they'd left some of them in. There could have been several sections that were semi-technical (like Bob's or Hulls) but it was made perfectly smooth. I'd still rather have a new smooth trail, than no trail at all.

    The new loop make a really nice longer ride from town.
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    The Rock Island Extension is basically done. Just some more minor shaping work needs to be completed to make it flow better.... The berms may still be a little soft however. So if you overshoot a berm, please go back and fix it to help firm it up... The West side of the trail is short but a ton of fun!
    Enjoy and don't forget to thank R2R's David Gordon if you see him out there. Also, special thanks to Aenema for the number of hours he's put into shaping the West side to make sure it flows well...

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    anybody want to see some pics?

    Just got home and offloaded the camera.
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    keep em' coming...

    this will take a couple of posts.
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    and more..

    pics of the dirt work.
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    last post for now,

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    Rode "Watchman's" in both directions today too, all 8 minutes of it. Not sure what the builders were trying to portray but it makes little sense if any at all. Jumps/berms & flow? More like 3 anthills, a few dirt snake sculptures and no flow. Had more fun riding the RC car track at Military Reserve, jumps/berms & flow were bigger and better too.
    Signage would definitely be a waste on this one.

    thumbs up for Rock Island! but a big thumbs down for this one.

    I've rode all the trails in Boise and cleared all the lines at Velopark. Still haven't found a reason to upgrade my $700 hardtail to a full suspension.

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    maybe you were misinformed about watchman

    it is not designed to be a jump/berm/flow trail. It connects 5 mile to Curlew. Nothing more. Sorry you don't like it but it opens up a ton of access between those two trails.

    Also glad to hear you are so proficient on your hardtail. Enjoy the rides.

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    Nothing More

    Nothing more seems to be the main agenda of the trail system and builders in this area.

    It's hard to complain about something so amazing to begin with but building better more reliable trails should be the focus.

    Nailing signs to loose dirt & gravel won't solve the problem?

    Fell for the expensive, shiny, bouncy thing once but never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    Nothing more seems to be the main agenda of the trail system and builders in this area.

    It's hard to complain about something so amazing to begin with but building better more reliable trails should be the focus.

    Nailing signs to loose dirt & gravel won't solve the problem?

    Fell for the expensive, shiny, bouncy thing once but never again.
    With only two posts on the Idaho Board, I would like to welcome you to the group. Boise area riders are a diverse group with many wants and opinions. The way to get what you want is to be patient and come out and help build the kind of trails you like to ride. Please check the SWIMBA.net webpage for trail building events or send me a personal message and I will get you on the list of volunteers.

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    I knew if I waited

    Somebody would give a far more diplomatic response than was in my head. After spending 6 hours yesterday alone shaping dirt, it is hard to take these posts without offense. Pick up a tool and build is the standard answer to complaints such as these. Until we see you out there putting in your volunteer time like a lot of us do, it is hard to take your opinions serisously.

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    thumbs up...excellent use of terrain features to make, shall we say a bobsleddy type trail....cant wait to ride it

    Great work C & G and of course Dave
    Just ride down there and jump off something for crying out loud...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    Nothing more seems to be the main agenda of the trail system and builders in this area.
    you don't know how lucky we are to have the trails we do....if you don't like the caliber of the trails here there are plenty of other places to live. This is not "The Northshore" or Blackrock or Whistler.

    It's hard to complain about something so amazing to begin with but building better more reliable trails should be the focus.
    the trails that you are currently riding on have been here for a long time, even before they were official R2R or FS trails they were and some still are game or cattle trails, so to say the trails are not better (see above) or reliable, I guess I don't follow

    Nailing signs to loose dirt & gravel won't solve the problem
    so what do you propose should be the solution then? The trails (like the ones you don't like) currently being built are going to take some of the pressure off the lower trails. America sure has raised a bunch of complainers, but not many people think about solutions.

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    hard for me not to take offense to this either...like the others have said get out there and put your input in on the trail by putting in some work. That's the great thing about building trails, everyone has their own little bit they add to a trail, be it either from XC, FR, DH, trials, hikers, etc...
    Just ride down there and jump off something for crying out loud...

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    The problem of trail widening in the foothills is an easy one to solve. The widened areas are all located on level or flat parts of the foothills. The undamaged areas are all located on a slope( / ). It doesn't take much of a slope to keep people in single file.

    Putting up signs and other crap will only cause more issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    Putting up signs and other crap will only cause more issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    The problem of trail widening in the foothills is an easy one to solve. The widened areas are all located on level or flat parts of the foothills. The undamaged areas are all located on a slope( / ). It doesn't take much of a slope to keep people in single file.
    Even if this were true, it's unrealistic to think that every trail will be built on a side-sloping hill. It's just not possible.
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    It's definitely not possible around here, especially with the amount of thought involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryman


    thumbs up...excellent use of terrain features to make, shall we say a bobsleddy type trail....cant wait to ride it

    Great work C & G and of course Dave
    Thanks.
    There will be some folks working on shaping the West side tomorrow around noon and R2R will finish the rock skinny to the rock face today. If you see them out there, give them a "Thanks" (or better yet, buy them a beer at the next SWIMBA Ride) as they have put in the hours and have the muscle aches and blisters to prove it...

    Ignore the haters and the whiners... They have no idea....

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    humm i will have to go check it out... that sounds like fun..
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    Paging Dirk

    Dog picture, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    Rode "Watchman's" in both directions today too, all 8 minutes of it.
    Aenema's photos don't appear to be of Watchman. The pix appear to be of the new trail (name unknown) by Rock Island. Sure as hell looks like Tablerock in the background there, sparky.
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    you are correct sir

    Trail is called 'Rock Island Extension' and all the pics are solely of it. This thread really has nothing to do with watchman, until somebody ranted about it that is. Stupid trails being built that open up more access to us. WTF man!

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    Yeah that looks fun, a Kessel Run-esque trail here in Boise. Good job aenema and flip and whoever else put some effort into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryman


    thumbs up...excellent use of terrain features to make, shall we say a bobsleddy type trail....cant wait to ride it

    Great work C & G and of course Dave
    Great trail guys, really good work. I noticed it late last week on my way up table rock. It's a great addition to the T.R. network.

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    It's like the Twilight Zone or something around here, a Rock Island extension that avoids all the rocks? "Waste of 8min" would be more fitting.



    Sorry for the mix up on Watchman's, I'll give it a try on the new ride over the weekend. Traded the MTB for a used Winnie II wheelchair so it should be a blast, especially if it's "bobsleddy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disambiguation
    It's like the Twilight Zone or something around here, a Rock Island extension that avoids all the rocks? "Waste of 8min" would be more fitting.



    Sorry for the mix up on Watchman's, I'll give it a try on the new ride over the weekend. Traded the MTB for a used Winnie II wheelchair so it should be a blast, especially if it's "bobsleddy".
    Yes, it's always the Twilight Zone around here. Welcome to the weirdness. Thank you for the most entertainment we've had here since Zebdi, joncgould, toiletsnake, Del Taco's left nut, and all the other characters that used to make this an entertaining complete waste of time and brain cells. Now, all we get is North End geeky condescending arrogant earnestness. And salad.

    If you're going to refer to the Winnie II, at least post a photo. Trails are much better with four wheels, shaved legs, seal clubbing, urban hipsters, and all thing scottish.

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