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    Owyhee ride 1-14

    I'm going to head out the owyhee's Sun. If anyone wants to go and carpool
    I will be at the bogus park-n-ride at 8 am.White Astro van.
    Going to try a NW passage-wilson creek-bingo-
    reynolds canyon-china wall-blue cooler type of loop
    see ya...

    oh yeah...bogus park-n-ride is on 16th and Bannock.
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    How was it?

    Nels, Was it a good ride? Anyone go with you? How were the trails? I'm still in Manassas, VA. Hope to ride next Sunday and plan to take an afternoon or morning off that week. I have new Stans in the tires and a presta tube in my pack, ready to roll.
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    Owyhees Sun.

    Yes I had a pretty good solo ride, spent 4 hours doing the same loop we did before, but
    man the wind was just howling all day! Made some of the going pretty tough.
    Temps were low to high 30's, and sunny all day. Trail conditions were good, dry, frozen
    and a little choppy from the horses (wild and tame) "posthole-ing" the trails while still muddy. There was a little snow cover in the higher elevations of NW passage, but none
    on bingo or other areas on that side of the road. No mud except for a couple of puddles
    and creek crossings. All in all a good, strenuous ride due to the high winds and
    rough trail. Also it was very clear out with great views of Shafer Butte and beyond.
    Sorry no pix today.


    ps, no worries on the social graces thing
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    Rode Saturday at Wilson Creek....

    With Piltdown, Irishbuddha, my brother, and another friend......same loop as Nels. He gave a good summary of trail conditions. Because of the 2 inches of rain that area received in December the wild horse trails need to be ridden (yes......I'm encouraging folks to ride out there) by bikes.......in order to smooth out some of the singletrack trails. Buddha and Piltdown rode hardtail singlespeeds Saturday.....that had to hurt some.

    Ran into a new BLM ranger Saturday.........he informed us that the ESA for Wilson Creek area is a go (again) and a non-motorized designation for Wilson Creek is back on the BLM agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markv
    Ran into a new BLM ranger Saturday.........he informed us that the ESA for Wilson Creek area is a go (again) and a non-motorized designation for Wilson Creek is back on the BLM agenda.
    As long as it is only the Wilson Creek area. I am not an advocate for such closures and proactively oppose them. However, I will give you Wilson Creek because it's good for nothing else. Sorry to burst your mtbr tree-hugg'n bubble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Kill
    However, I will give you Wilson Creek because it's good for nothing else
    A. It's not yours to give.
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    Sorry to burst your mtbr tree-hugg'n bubble.
    B. There aren't too many trees to hug there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    It's not yours to give
    Nor is it yours to keep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Kill
    Nor is it yours to keep
    Duh. I never claimed that it was. Duh. It's federal land under the administration of the BLM. Duh. Did you just fall off the turnip truck or what? Duh. You on the other hand can keep your Multi-Headed Dragons and your Carnage Canyons. Duh. Now there's a fine landscape that resembles a battered and worn-out whore. Duh.
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    TC did you drink from the same cup as EP? Or bite the same apple? MarkV a tree-hugger???

    MarkV or Cook? Can we get e-copies of the ESA? I want to read it. (Partly because I wrote an environmental assessment and used to work on EISs WAY back in the day, and I would like to see if the format has changed any since.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Visicypher
    TC did you drink from the same cup as EP? Or bite the same apple? MarkV a tree-hugger???

    MarkV or Cook? Can we get e-copies of the ESA? I want to read it. (Partly because I wrote an environmental assessment and used to work on EISs WAY back in the day, and I would like to see if the format has changed any since.)

    Damn...pOOh free post....
    come to the swimba meeting tonight the BLM folks will be there and then you can ask them for the relevant docs. I have only seen some proposed alternatives and not much in the way of docs.

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    Hmmmm.......interesting comment

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Kill
    As long as it is only the Wilson Creek area. I am not an advocate for such closures and proactively oppose them. However, I will give you Wilson Creek because it's good for nothing else. Sorry to burst your mtbr tree-hugg'n bubble.
    When you and Impdude rode with us (I think it was late October or early November) you dropped out after riding less than three miles......that would make it difficult to determine if Wilson Creek is good for nothing else.

    You can drive a 4 wheeler/ATV/motorcycle anywhere in the Owyhees.....thanks for allowing the non-motorized folks a small area around Wilson Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markv
    When you and Impdude rode with us (I think it was late October or early November) you dropped out after riding less than three miles......that would make it difficult to determine if Wilson Creek is good for nothing else.

    You can drive a 4 wheeler/ATV/motorcycle anywhere in the Owyhees.....thanks for allowing the non-motorized folks a small area around Wilson Creek.
    You cannot ride a motorcycle anywhere in the Owyhees. More land was closed and is being closed to motorized recreation as of late than I can remember in recent memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markv
    When you rode with us, you dropped out after riding less than three miles......that would make it difficult to determine if Wilson Creek is good for nothing else.
    My inability to keep up with a group of trained riders has nothing to do with my political land issue standings

    I'm a paying member to several associations established to fight to keep these lands open for all recreation. Didn't mean to offend or speak out of line. I was angry and wanted to let everyone know I'll be opposing any and all closures.

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    What public lands in the Owyhees have been closed....

    Quote Originally Posted by westin
    You cannot ride a motorcycle anywhere in the Owyhees. More land was closed and is being closed to motorized recreation as of late than I can remember in recent memory.
    to motorized traffic? I'm curious......because I'd like to ride there. The only areas I know of in the Owyhees that can't be accessed by a 4 wheeler/ATV (I don't mind motorcycles....they don't widen a trail) are the private ranches. Any other road or trail in the Owyhees is open to motorized.......are you talking about making your own trails?
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    Maybe it was the Mtbr tree huggin bubble comment...

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Kill
    My inability to keep up with a group of trained riders has nothing to do with my political land issue standings

    I'm a paying member to several associations established to fight to keep these lands open for all recreation. Didn't mean to offend or speak out of line. I was angry and wanted to let everyone know I'll be opposing any and all closures.
    That set me off........what do you think?

    The Wilson Creek area is a wild horse preserve........and even there the BLM constantly reduces the wild horse herds so the ranchers (with grazing permits) have plenty of grass for their cows.

    This will be the first attempt (that I know of) by BLM to establish a small nonmotorized area in Owyhees for horses, bikes, and hikers.

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    Diversity of land designations

    Quote Originally Posted by Back2Kill
    My inability to keep up with a group of trained riders has nothing to do with my political land issue standings

    I'm a paying member to several associations established to fight to keep these lands open for all recreation. Didn't mean to offend or speak out of line. I was angry and wanted to let everyone know I'll be opposing any and all closures.
    The Wilson area is composed of roughtly 28,000 acres which include many miles of singletrack that a currently being widened by indiscrimite ATV usage. This designation will hopefully turn the tide and this destruction of singletrack. The roads in the area will continue to remain open to motorized vehicals and south of reynolds canyon there is almost 300,000 acres which will have designated motorized trails. I enjoy riding a dirt bike also and have no issue with not being able to ride in this small area which will cater more for mountain biking. I think without forest and trees it is much harder to keep motorcycles from following a straight line and turning these twisty trails into straight trails.

    I am all for sharing trails with motorcycles in the right locations, but just do not feel this is an appropiate place with the soil structure and lack of corraling features.

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    Good post Chris & Mark.
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    Is there any chance in hell that shooting in the Wilson Creek area be banned!?!?

    Hey...aside from being a flip...I'm about as trailer trash and redneck as they come. I do live in the Zionist Theocracy of Canyon County after all. I like my Lynard Skynard. I like to shop at WalFart. I drive Fords. I like my pork rinds. Heck I even own three pawn shop special guns. But one thing that may seperate me from my Canyon/Owyhee County brethern is that I'm well aware that there are other recreational trail users out there. If you want to ride your ATV, dirt bike, or horse out there so be it. Respect the land and I'll respect you.

    But SOB for the love of God can you Budweiser swillin', bonfire burning, GED flunking, Wrangler wearing, idiot rednecks NOT SHOOT near Wilson Creek Road!?!?

    It seems that the past couple of times I have been out there I have ridden near people shooting off their guns. Tonight I came up behind some folks that drove a Ford F150 and started a fire behind that big hill by that parking lot off to the left of Wilson Creek Road as soon as it turns to dirt beyond the feedlot. These guys (looked to be 3-4 of 'em) were shooting high powered pistols and rifles into the hillside. I immediately made a u-turn and headed fast in the opposite direction. I've shot guns in the past out in the sticks and have never had a problem, but you just never now where a bullet is gonna go even with the best of intetions.

    A stray bullet doesn't discriminate whether you are on a mountain bike or a Kawasaki or a horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    But SOB for the love of God can you Budweiser swillin', bonfire burning, GED flunking, Wrangler wearing, idiot rednecks NOT SHOOT near Wilson Creek Road!?!?
    Ha! I was out there today with Nels and, sure enough, as we were coming back in on Blue Cooler, you could hear the necks shootin 'em up somewhere close. I even commented to Nels that guns go with the Owyhees like peanut butter goes with jelly.

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    Yeah but at least they were on the other side of the hill, and unless they were shootin off some of them crazy Warren commision bullets we were probably safe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    you could hear the necks shootin 'em up somewhere close.
    I think you're stereotyping again Piggy. There are a couple of Hunter Thompson wannabes where I work that like doing the Office Space thing and taking old TVs and computer monitors out to the desert and shooting them on up.

    Which begs the question: Who would win, a 2C SUV full of gun-totting necks or a 1A Ford Escort full of gun-totting neo-gonzo cubicle refugees? Its a game just begging for the XBox.
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    What about if those gun-totting neo-gonzo cubicle refugees drove a Honda Element instead!?!?

    I'd still say that the 2C'ers would win. After all they have Claude Dallas as their hero.

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    a subie wrx drivin by a crazy northender

    with an assault rifle aimin ender inside the roof top box would annilate your 2C asses as we do circles around your chared ford and honda

    I hope that box of a 1000 rounds of russian ammo arrives soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    What about if those gun-totting neo-gonzo cubicle refugees drove a Honda Element instead!?!?

    I'd still say that the 2C'ers would win. After all they have Claude Dallas as their hero.
    Mr. Dallas is a very nice man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin
    Mr. Dallas is a very nice man.
    Claude Dallas is a f@g. I came to his pad in Brentwood to install two-way mirrors and he came to the door wearing a dress.
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