• 12-01-2006
    mtnbkrdr98
    Most Classic XC HT of all time?
    I vote for the Schwinn Homegrown, bass boat blue, made at the Yeti factory in Co. I think it also came in green, dark red.
    I suppose other classic HT's would be Specialized Stumpy, of course, Yeti ARC, Ells Sub 22.
  • 12-01-2006
    garnetspur
    Ibis Mojo w/ Handjob
    http://www.kcn.ne.jp/~vp-gyro/newbik...steel-or01.jpg

    http://www.kcn.ne.jp/~vp-gyro/newbik...steel-or04.jpg

    no offense...but there's nothing "classic" about aluminum. Ugly welds!

    steel is real, and the steel hardtail is the classic hardtail. and the ibis mojo is tough to beat.
  • 12-01-2006
    mtnbkrdr98
    yes, beautiful frame. How about Independent Fabrications?
  • 12-01-2006
    garnetspur
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    yes, beautiful frame. How about Independent Fabrications?

    not a bad frame...got one myself. ;)
  • 12-01-2006
    Crash_Burn
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    Tom or Keith
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    I vote for the Schwinn Homegrown, bass boat blue, made at the Yeti factory in Co. I think it also came in green, dark red.
    I suppose other classic HT's would be Specialized Stumpy, of course, Yeti ARC, Ells Sub 22.

    Gotta go with Steel - Take your pick
  • 12-01-2006
    mtnbkrdr98
    I change my vote to the steel Ifab. I didn't even think about steel when I posted this. or Ti.
  • 12-01-2006
    Visicypher
    remember the Bridgestone MB-0? Or the old Curtlos??? Or the carbon and ti Stumpy that Overend road in 92? Or the old Fat Chance...before IF.

    1988 didn't seem that long ago...and XTR didn't exist back then. How archaic...
  • 12-01-2006
    danK
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by garnetspur
    http://www.kcn.ne.jp/~vp-gyro/newbik...steel-or01.jpg

    http://www.kcn.ne.jp/~vp-gyro/newbik...steel-or04.jpg

    no offense...but there's nothing "classic" about aluminum. Ugly welds!

    steel is real, and the steel hardtail is the classic hardtail. and the ibis mojo is tough to beat.

    I don't profess knowing much about classic hardtails other than the eggplant-colored Mojo I owned in the early 90's. Truth be known, the TT was a bit too short for me and the bb felt a bit tall, but I enjoyed it enough so I named my dog "Ibis."

    Other than that, I'd say the Stumpjumper is a classic.

    I had a Chinese kid pass me on a Bridgestone MB1 (or maybe it was the 0) with racks on a hillclimb TT in downtown San Fran up Nob Hill. He had the slippery trolley tracks figured out, and annihilated me. I believe he was deliverying his next order of lo mein by the time I puked my lung up.
  • 12-01-2006
    Sideknob
    The Klein Attitude (pre Trek of course) and preferably in one of the Fade paint jobs.

    Big pipes, oversized headset, sloped top tube, extended seat tube, big stays - so many features that would become standard for a lot of hardtails to follow.
  • 12-01-2006
    laffeaux
    I'd lean toward steel too. I'm a bit biased toward the NorCal builders - Bontrager, Ritchey, Potts, and Mountain Goat are all on my short list of favorites.

    It's hard to beat the old Mountain Goat team paint though:

    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/goat/111_1101.JPG" width="512" height="384">
  • 12-01-2006
    mtnbkrdr98
    This frame and this color!
    [QUOTE=laffeaux]I'd lean toward steel too. QUOTE]
  • 12-01-2006
    Earthpig
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    Having owned a bevy of steel hardtails myself over the last few years (and current owner of two steel hardtails), I'd put a vote in for the trusty Gunnar Rockhound. Long TT, short stays, Ritchey drops, very stable, great climber, fantastic trail feel. Five flaming turds.
  • 12-01-2006
    Earthpig
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    steel, steel, steel
    I love steel hardtails!!!
  • 12-01-2006
    Earthpig
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    more steel
    More steel. I forgot - I actually currently own 3 steel mountain bikes and one steel cruiser. Verily, I am a man of steel. Too bad my brain is mush.
  • 12-01-2006
    Earthpig
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    one more...
    One more!
  • 12-01-2006
    BelaySlave
    Damn Geoff...how many bikes have you owned/currently own??????

    I had a mid-90s Stumpy and have always loved the looks of 'em.

    I also liked those hardtail Ionic's that you use to see around town a while back (whatever happened to Ionic anyways....Dean bought 'em out or sumpin'?).
  • 12-01-2006
    Earthpig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    Damn Geoff...how many bikes have you owned/currently own??????

    Um, good question. I think at last count I have owned around 11 or 12 steel hardtail frames since about '96. I love the sleek, sexy, sinewy lines of a nice steel hardtail. *drool*

    I would guess Laffeaux probably has more than 11 or 12 steel frames currently in his stable, as does flip.
  • 12-01-2006
    BelaySlave
    I'll need to see Eric's stable....

    Yeah between Lucky Ada, Maryland, and the PI...doesn't Gary have like 20+ bikes???
  • 12-01-2006
    laffeaux
    Bikes are cool. Here are a few of my favorites - although in general I prefer not having a suspension fork up front, technically making them not hardtails.

    Bontragers are a blast to ride.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/me/pics/bikes/104_0460.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    Or if you prefer they come in Ti.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/bontrager_ti/123_2356.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    Or with only a single gear.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/bontrager_or/111_1193.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    Steve made fine frames.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/potts/120_2078.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    Even when he built them with a little help form his friends.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/wtb/111_1107.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    And Tom build them pretty well too.
    <img src="http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/bikes/pics/SC11/100_0036_sm.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    And he was building them long before more anyone else.
    <img src="http://www.oldmountainbikes.com/bikes/pics/1R0079/117_1782.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    And even some guys on the east coast built bikes.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/fatchance/114_1474.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    And if you like drop bars in the dirt...
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/bridgestone_mb1/112_1262.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    or even pink forks.
    <img src="http://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/khsteam/111_1187.JPG" width="512" height="384">

    Yeah. Bikes are cool.
  • 12-01-2006
    Double H
    Impressive, Laffeaux!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laffeaux
    Bikes are cool. Here are a few of my favorites - although in general I prefer not having a suspension fork up front, technically making them not hardtails.

    Bontragers are a blast to ride. ...

    Yeah. Bikes are cool.

    Wow! Are those bikes you own, bikes you once owned or bikes you like?

    I agree with you about leaning towards the NorCal builders, even though I lived on the East Coast for a few years. To me,"Classic" generally means made in the US, as well. I had an early Ritchey Ascent (his first Chinese bikes), and while it rode well, it never had the cool factor of my wealthier friends' fillet brazed ones.

    My wife still has her 1987 Fisher Procaliber. Now THAT'S a classic bike!

    In general I agree with you about steel, but Charlie Cunningham's bikes might be an exception. I also put the Fisher Prometheus (Ti) up there on the classics list. I never liked the way my friend's Merlin handled, but I loved my Fisher! May resurrect it as a SS this winter.

    I bet those Bontragers (especially pre-Trek ones) are killer! I'm envious!

    HH
  • 12-01-2006
    laffeaux
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Double H
    Wow! Are those bikes you own, bikes you once owned or bikes you like?

    I either own, or have owned, all of those bikes. (plus a few)
  • 12-01-2006
    Double H
    Green With Envy!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by laffeaux
    I either own, or have owned, all of those bikes. (plus a few)

    As I said earlier, impressive. Heavy bike lust! Especially for the Potts, the Bontis, and Ritcheys. The painted WTB snuck past me the first time!

    HH
  • 12-01-2006
    mtnbkrdr98
    Eric, you take the cake! (with Geoff a very, very close 2nd).

    I owned a Jamis Dragon once. But my favorite HT I had was my trusty Dean Scout, Ti.
    ohhhh, dream bike.
  • 12-04-2006
    Rob M.
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    Here are a couple from my stable. My wifes Ibis and My WTB.
    Happy Trails
  • 12-04-2006
    garnetspur
    on this box..no riding pics. usually, they are just pics of my wife riding anyway..

    here's my IF brand spankin' new:

    http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2218/indy011qm7.jpg

    here's a buddy of mine's vicious. sweet!

    http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/5237/01am1.jpg

    here's my wife's gunnar, my messy garage, and my ibis alibi in the background.

    http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8692/p1010114av0.jpg