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    Alright I need some help deciding on what bike I should get for the local trails (Boise). I'm just starting out so I just plan on doing the begginer to intermediate stuff like around the foothills and such until I really get my skill level up. But I need help deciding on which bike that will be a good begginer bike but still be able to handle the area. I'd like to keep it in the 500 range but also save as much as I can for buying some accessories. Oh and since I'm just getting into it I really don't have a clue on which componets are the best.

    Right now I'm deciding between with as much as I know:

    Specialized Rockhopper http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=12989 No disk brakes, strong frame good stuff all around

    Specialized Hardrock Sport Disc http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkModel.jsp?spid=12277 Has Disk brakes, strong frame with decent stuff

    Diamondback Response Sport http://www.diamondback.com/items.asp...=14&itemid=176 Also has the disk brakes on par with hardrock but has 20mm more travel

    Now I hear the rockhopper has the better overall componets but doesn't have the disk brakes. I'd save some money if I went for one of the others and could start getting ready to upgrade with the money I saved.

    So what I'm really asking is for what we have around here would it better to get the rockhopper with better overall stuff or get something with disk brakes?

    Would really appreciate any help or suggestions. Thanks

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    EP you wanna help this kid/guy?
    Because I'm tending to want to tell him to save until he has around his current budget for bike and accessories or so to get a Hardtail with decent components that are lighter, and will work and last a while as he progresses?

    My first mtn bike ride if you could call it that was on my brothers old GT Hardtail - had hardly anything except a water bottle and seat bag, crappy brakes and components, but it didn't matter. I was able to get "out there" a little, get a feel and the endorphin rush. That was all it took!

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    Get over to REI NOW!!!! 20% off before the end of Sunday. Several good options for that price; my ex gf did that, and she's loving her K2. They have Scott and Novara over there. Worse comes to worse, you take it back!

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    Yeah but REI's "20% off" may still be higher than what he could get elsewhere, for a smiliar eqipped bike and accessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    Yeah but REI's "20% off" may still be higher than what he could get elsewhere, for a smiliar eqipped bike and accessories
    I did not know that. Sorry. But the return policy is good. He could ride it all summer and give it back should his ability surpass the bike or his desire to ride disappear.

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    Just what retail business love, people who buy and use up stuff then return it!
    Like eating an entire meal in a restaurant, then saying something was wrong with it and asking the manager to comp them. Oh Geeez, I'm starting to sound like Earthpig (sorry Geoff)!!!

    No, really, AWD how old are you? If I may, I say go over to Georges on Front St or call and ask to talk to Mike Cooley. I think the bike you would want is this RockHopper
    (if you want to stick with Specialized, and why not?)

    http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkM...keTab=techspec

    Tell him Daryl sent you and see what kind of deal he might be willing to make for you.
    If he can't make it happen right now, It is worth saving a bit more to get better components and frame, but that is just my opinion...

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    It's part of being an REI member, having that option. I didn't say abuse it, I said use it. REI has told me people bring stuff back after 10 years of use! Now that's abuse. I'm taking a watch back today I purchased yesterday. Is that bad? I paid my membership dues. It's not lying or abusing the system, it's taking part in the co-op experience.

    Speaking of abuse... if you go to George's your wallet will get abused. Go to Reed's in Eagle.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    Just what retail business love, people who buy and use up stuff then return it!
    Like eating an entire meal in a restaurant, then saying something was wrong with it and asking the manager to comp them. Oh Geeez, I'm starting to sound like Earthpig (sorry Geoff)!!!

    No, really, AWD how old are you? If I may, I say go over to Georges on Front St or call and ask to talk to Mike Cooley. I think the bike you would want is this RockHopper
    (if you want to stick with Specialized, and why not?)

    http://www.specialized.com/bc/SBCBkM...keTab=techspec

    Tell him Daryl sent you and see what kind of deal he might be willing to make for you.
    If he can't make it happen right now, It is worth saving a bit more to get better

    components and frame, but that is just my opinion...

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    Reeds is good. I'll be getting a chainring protector from them shortly. If he goes there, he can probably get a good deal on Diamondback or Raleigh.

    It goes back to establishing a good relationship with a shop (or a few shops), so they treat you right. I guess REI charges the membership fee based on it's corporate structure as a Co-Op, but so does the Boise Co Op, which is why I'm looking forward to when Trader Joes finally comes to Southwest Idaho, by the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    Reeds is good. I'll be getting a chainring protector from them shortly. If he goes there, he can probably get a good deal on Diamondback or Raleigh.

    It goes back to establishing a good relationship with a shop (or a few shops), so they treat you right. I guess REI charges the membership fee based on it's corporate structure as a Co-Op, but so does the Boise Co Op, which is why I'm looking forward to when Trader Joes finally comes to Southwest Idaho, by the way!
    You better not be yanking my chain(ring). Trader Joe's is coming to Boise?????
    The Co-Op is expanding. A smaller second store either in Eagle or southeast Boise, but same big attitude and crazy high prices.

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    You know about TJ's? They said it would be a couple of years still. One of the reasons their prices are so good is that they own all their stores/property rather than leasing them, so they take time in their expansions. I love Trader Joes!

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    awd...do you have any friends that know about bikes? probably not, since you're on here asking..

    but, if you have a buddy that can help you. i think getting a used bike is the best way to go.

    this is only if you have some help or if you are a fast learner.

    there are classifieds here on mtbr.. or ebay is always there.

    also, mailorder complete bikes is a possibility.

    but, if you get a used but not abused bike, you'll get more for your money imo. something better to build on...because you will get hooked.

    one other option is the bike swap that happened last month.

    what's your height? you think you're a "medium" size bike?

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    And maybe Craigslist, the Boise forum (http://boise.craigslist.org/bik/) or the Idaho Mistakesman classifieds at http://www.idahoclassified.com/cv3/i...25&Search.y=15

    I see one mtb that is decent sounding under 500 clams.

    Quote Originally Posted by garnetspur
    awd...do you have any friends that know about bikes? probably not, since you're on here asking..

    but, if you have a buddy that can help you. i think getting a used bike is the best way to go.

    this is only if you have some help or if you are a fast learner.

    there are classifieds here on mtbr.. or ebay is always there.

    also, mailorder complete bikes is a possibility.

    but, if you get a used but not abused bike, you'll get more for your money imo. something better to build on...because you will get hooked.

    one other option is the bike swap that happened last month.

    what's your height? you think you're a "medium" size bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    Just what retail business love, people who buy and use up stuff then return it!
    Like eating an entire meal in a restaurant, then saying something was wrong with it and asking the manager to comp them. Oh Geeez, I'm starting to sound like Earthpig (sorry Geoff)!!!
    When I first began working for REI many moons ago, we were told that the % of people that "....buy and use up stuff and then return it!" is rather small than say compared to the people who actually have a legitimate excuse. I wanna say this % is in the single digits. Yeah people abuse our generous return policy, but it's not as great of a number as you think.

    When I was demoing Yetis down in SLC last year, the manager for the SLC store was telling me how a guy "broke" his 575 in Moab. He brought it back and either got another bike or his money back...I can't remember. Anyhoo they fixed up his broken Yeti and put it out for sale.

    As far as the price between what we have in the store now combined with the 20% off and the prices of similary spec'd bikes in other shops....I just don't know. That's gonna require some legwork on your part.

    Besides, we make up for it by hosing you on Patagonia and TNF stuff.



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    You can say that again (but don't). I make a decent living but that Patagonia stuff is a killer. Isn't most of it recycled plastic?

    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave

    Besides, we make up for it by hosing you on Patagonia and TNF stuff.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    When I first began working for REI many moons ago, we were told that the % of people that "....buy and use up stuff and then return it!" is rather small than say compared to the people who actually have a legitimate excuse. I wanna say this % is in the single digits. Yeah people abuse our generous return policy, but it's not as great of a number as you think.
    Yet you'd think that this % is alot higher than what it is really when you look at alot of the crap we put out for sale at each Garage Sale.


    Man I hate working those. Especially those ones we have right after xmas. People waiting out in line all night long bundled up and sweating and drinking ALOT of coffee. You cram all those ****ers into the back and the place SMELLS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    Yet you'd think that this % is alot higher than what it is really when you look at alot of the crap we put out for sale at each Garage Sale.


    Man I hate working those. Especially those ones we have right after xmas. People waiting out in line all night long bundled up and sweating and drinking ALOT of coffee. You cram all those ****ers into the back and the place SMELLS!!!
    I've been a member for about 10 years and never hit a garage sale. The stories about them are enough to keep me away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin
    I've been a member for about 10 years and never hit a garage sale. The stories about them are enough to keep me away.
    Yeah I don't blame you. I've spoken with other members too that don't want to come to our Garage Sales. I think I'm in my 9th year there and I've worked many of these and unfortunately we can't seem to make this thing work exceptionally well to please everyone. If you don't get in line at like 2am on Thursday and are stuck near the Chevron, you're pretty much screwed. I just go home feeling like crap afterwards. But suprsingly our recent Garage Sales have exceeded our projected budgets. Go figure.

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    [QUOTE=BelaySlave]Yeah I don't blame you. I've spoken with other members too that don't want to come to our Garage Sales. QUOTE]

    I worked for REI in Portland years ago, in the late 80's. It was the Jantzen Beach store, I think the store is no longer there, flooded by the Columbia River.

    Anyway, then the Garage sale was known as a B93 sale (cause of the price ending in .93and the code for return)
    The prices were killer, but there weren't the huge crowds of people there are now. I went to a garage sale in Missoula a few weeks ago. Never again!
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    awd ---

    This is FearM9 from BroncoCountry. I say stick with the DB from Reeds like I said in my post from yesterday.
    Hey whats up man


    As for me I'm 20. Me and all my buddies are all car guys so no, I don't have any friends that really know anything about bikes. And bikes have changed quite a bit since I was a kid. As for my build, I'm 6' about 220. The whole reason I became interested in mtn biking is to help get my cardio up while giving my legs a workout (have firefighter test coming up in september). I have an EMT class in june so that somewhat limits what I'm able to spend. Thats why I want to keep it around 500 and upgrade when I need to/have the money to spend. So really I was wondering which one of those bikes will be able to handle what we have hear with out being destroyed but still allow me to upgrade as I go. The hardrock and response (and the response is orange BelaySlave ) seem to be about the same and both have disk brakes. While the rockhopper doesn't have disk brakes its suposed to have overall better componets.

    I went to the georges in meridian last week and they had a hardrock sport disk on sale for around 375 or so. I really liked Reeds and the response sport at reeds but the deal wasn't as good as at georges. I didn't really see anything I liked at Bobs. I plan hitting the georges on state st monday to see if they have anything different or any better deals. I did check out the statesman but like I said when it comes to bikes I'm a little behind so I don't know which are any good or good deals.

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    disc brakes arent that important unless youre riding in wet weather

    im guessing you got a dsm ... any pics? Im a honda guy myself good to see some other young folks on mtbr even though i live in CA ... im 21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melt
    disc brakes arent that important unless youre riding in wet weather

    im guessing you got a dsm ... any pics? Im a honda guy myself good to see some other young folks on mtbr even though i live in CA ... im 21
    I used to have pics up on my buddies server but it went down and he doesn't really care to get it back up. Its black cherry talon 1st gen if that gives you any idea. Maybe I'll be able to get some of my friends interested and on here. Anything done to your honda?

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    basic bolt ons ... its a 96 integra ls with a short ram, dc 4-2-1 ceramic header, and had an apexi n1 exahust till the pipe fell off on the highway ... also has civic si rims and is dropped on h&r sports

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    dust collector maybe

    Quote Originally Posted by Melt
    disc brakes arent that important unless youre riding in wet weather
    disc brakes aren't that important if you leave your bike in the garage all the time and let it collect dust. If not then a front disc at that the very least.. it has been a really long time since I did not have disc..

    oh and don't buy specialized they suck donkey dick..
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    Good job! Ken's Bike Warehouse

    Go down to Ken's (5 mile/Overland) and ride the HardRock Sport. You don't need no stinkin' discs. Finish up with a Spec. Air Force helmet for 35 clams. Tell Ken that Jeff sent you and he might throw in the airlock sealant. The RockHopper is a great bike, but you'd blow your 500.00 budget -OR- look at the Mojave line by Raleigh. 05's available w/disc brakes for around 450.00. I'll be in Tues-Wed-Thurs. if you have any questions.
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    I'll second the Ken's recommendation for Specialized. And the Rockhoppers are very good starter bikes. I helped a buddy buy one at Ken's about 4 yrs ago, and it's still running strong. You can add my name, too, if you think it will help. Tell him also that Chris sent you, the guy who's Ken's age with all the red bikes. He's also really good at follow-up tuneups, warranty repairs, service after the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBro
    I'll second the Ken's recommendation for Specialized. And the Rockhoppers are very good starter bikes. I helped a buddy buy one at Ken's about 4 yrs ago, and it's still running strong. You can add my name, too, if you think it will help. Tell him also that Chris sent you, the guy who's Ken's age with all the red bikes. He's also really good at follow-up tuneups, warranty repairs, service after the sale.

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    Try a...

    Kona Blast from IMT you should be able to get this for around 550 with disc and a marzoochi front shock.

    in actuality you should buy a used mountain bike, you will get the best bang for your buck by far...

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    I've been checking the statesman and the classifieds here but havn't been able to come across something that would work. So what I'm thinking is picking up something on the cheaper side like the hardrock or response (or what ever else I find) that will get me by and only upgrade what I need to. Then around next year once I get my skill level up I can try and sell this one like at the bike swap or whatever and really sink some money into a quality setup. Or would it be a better decision to just get a better platform now like the rockhopper and just keep upgrading it?

    Monday I'll definitely go check out IMT and Kens.

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    Kens are good guys too, I guess it partly depends on convenience/where you live; however, Georges treats me superb, and Mike the owner has given me good deals on things and Jason (shop mgr) has given me good deals and great service.......
    So therefore, I figured that rolls down to everyone and why I gave you my name

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    Quote Originally Posted by awd4g63
    I've been checking the statesman and the classifieds here but havn't been able to come across something that would work. So what I'm thinking is picking up something on the cheaper side like the hardrock or response (or what ever else I find) that will get me by and only upgrade what I need to. Then around next year once I get my skill level up I can try and sell this one like at the bike swap or whatever and really sink some money into a quality setup. Or would it be a better decision to just get a better platform now like the rockhopper and just keep upgrading it?

    Monday I'll definitely go check out IMT and Kens.
    AWD...the statesman probably isn't the best place to find a solid used bike

    try the following links and take a little time for something to show up. here are the links

    mtbr.com hardtail classifieds

    http://classifieds.mtbr.com/cgi-bin/...query=category

    craigslist boise bike link

    http://boise.craigslist.org/bik/

    ebay bikes

    http://sporting-goods.listings.ebay....istingItemList

    start at these...you can also order from mailorder places..maybe find a good deal that way.

    i reitorate...go with a used bike in that price range. looks like you're getting help/opinion on here. just post a link/pic/specs..pics are good. and see what people here have to say.

    trust me. no one on this forum lacks an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    EP you wanna help this kid/guy?
    I wish I could, but I don't know the first thing about bikes/components in that price range. I agree with garnetspur - find a buddy who knows bikes and search ebay, the classifieds and the paper for a used bike. You'll get a lot more bike for $500 if you go used than if you buy new. HOWEVER, that said, the major tradeoff is that a good shop should give you a year of free tuneups and you'll also have a warranty on a new bike, neither of which you'd get if you buy used. As for disc v. no disc, at 220 lbs I'd definitely go for disc brakes. That's a lot of weight for rim brakes to stop. Good luck and let us know what you end up with!

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    I did see this one the other day http://classifieds.mtbr.com/cgi-bin/...uery=retrieval But it seems like it might be to small for me. He says it fits riders up to 5'9 but I'm just a little under 6'. I think I'll shoot him an email to see if I can take for a little test ride but do you think being 2 inches taller would really be that important?

    As for ebay, anybody had any good experiences with it? I'm worried that if I got one off there it might not fit and I'd be screwed.

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    I don't think you'd want a DJ bike for riding around the local trails.

    Another alternative for a local used bike is to hit up that shop at the intersection of Vista and Overland. I forgot the name of the damn place, but I believe it's a bike consignment shop.

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    To get a mtn bike so you can get in shape and easily pass that test, and maybe start a new passion for a new sport I was thinking, since you're about 6 feet and 220lbs, you might need a big guy bike. I think a hardrock has a good sized beefy top tube or downtube, but you might want to look at something build for bigger people, with wheels that will hold up better, etc. Kona did make a line called the "Hoss" line, and I was trying to find a link but their site is not coming up right now. Anyway, just a thought on something to look for whether you go used or new. If you do go new, IMT here is the Kona dealer. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    I don't think you'd want a DJ bike for riding around the local trails.

    Another alternative for a local used bike is to hit up that shop at the intersection of Vista and Overland. I forgot the name of the damn place, but I believe it's a bike consignment shop.
    A-1 bike shop..never been there..

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    Hey awd ---

    We (REI) will have Steven Stuebner (local author...he has several Idaho MTB guide books out there) giving a MTB Basics presentation this Wednesday night at 7pm. I've been to it before and if you are a total newbie, it's a good way to learn stuff. Caveat though....he brought in his Cannondale double boinger last year, so he may be a lil' bit out-of-date with new, bling-bling stuff, but nonetheless it was informative.

    I *might* be there...look for the guy sitting at the computer.

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    And next Wednesday, Jenny Hennessey is doing her women's MTB presentation at the store (same time as well). Even though it's for women, guys are invited as well and there was a fair number of them at her presenation last year so no need to feel intimidated or embarrassed.

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    How long will they be there? I get off between 7:30 and 8 on Wednesdays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by awd4g63
    How long will they be there? I get off between 7:30 and 8 on Wednesdays.
    It will probably be over sometime between 8-8:30pm.

    I'll try to keep my eye open for other newbie MTB presentation stuff and will let you know if anything else comes up.

    Boise Parks & Rec/Sprockids puts on a 3 or 4 week beginner MTB class, but there is a cost to it ($60 or so I think) and I don't know when they start (I think soon though). Which reminds me I need to get a hold of Heather to see if she wants an old helmet and gloves for Sprockids.

    EDIT

    One more thing....

    Ain't you a BSU student. I'm assuming you are since you post at BC. Anyhoo, probably too late now, but BSU does offer MTB'ing classes each semester. I took one back in either '95 or '96 (actually got on Ch. 7 too). I ran into this class near the old gym a couple of years ago and it has definately grown. When I took it there was only like 6 of us. When I last saw them I swear they had like 20 in there. And there is some effort to try to start a cycling club at BSU too. Not sure how that is turning out.

    And don't forget that BSU cycling jerseys are now available!!!
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    My first real mtn bike was a Rockhopper and I loved it. It performed great for many years. Though I agree, you will probably blow your budget after accessories, etc.

    At your weight, I would also recommend disc brakes. Us heavy guys have a tendancy to bend wheels easier and it's nice that your brakes work regardless.

    I have made purchases at all the big shops in town and have been impressed with each one. It's easy to buy with confidence in this area.

    Good luck in whatever you choose!

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    Well I was able to make it into Kens and A1 today. A1 was all out of good used bikes but they're getting a shipment of new Fujis in tomorrow. I still want to check out IMT. If I can't make it there tonight I'll stop by tomorrow. Anybody know what time they close? I havn't really been able to find anything used or off ebay so unless I find something at IMT it will be between the hardrock sport disc or the response sport. I know BelaySlave recomends the response and out of the two its the one I like the best but any other opinons out there before I get really set on it?

    Here they are so you can check them out Response Hardrock

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    Ain't you a BSU student. I'm assuming you are since you post at BC. Anyhoo, probably too late now, but BSU does offer MTB'ing classes each semester. I took one back in either '95 or '96 (actually got on Ch. 7 too). I ran into this class near the old gym a couple of years ago and it has definately grown. When I took it there was only like 6 of us. When I last saw them I swear they had like 20 in there. And there is some effort to try to start a cycling club at BSU too. Not sure how that is turning out.

    And don't forget that BSU cycling jerseys are now available!!!
    I is a BSU student but I'm planning on taking the fall semester off. If they had a summer class I'd be all over it if I didn't have the EMT training this summer. But if end up getting the orange response I'll definitely have to get the jersey and a blue helmet

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