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    New question here. Fire Info for Ketchum - SV - White Clouds - Saw Tooth Sept 21

    Hey guys, trying to find some good info on what the fire is affecting up there.
    Living down here in brush fire prone So. Cal. I know it can't be good.

    We have a condo booked in Ketchum for the week of 9/21 to the 27th.

    I'm sure the fires will be out by then, but how much of the area will still be open for riding?

    We had a fairly big fire down here some years back in our local Santa Ana range. It took us a year of hard work, and trail closures to get thing back into shape.

    Should we try and make other plans, or just come on up, and ride our asses off?

    I was really excited about the trip, so I'm hoping we can still pull it off!

    Thanks for any info you can give....
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    See the 'it's August ' thread.
    Here those fires could actually still be active until snowfall (unlikely, but possible, they can smolder for weeks)
    Additionally, the FS will generally close all of the affected trails until deadfall and standing dead trees have been cleared, which likely won't happen until next year.
    In other words, wait and see....

    InciWeb the Incident Information System: Beaver Creek Fire

    As far as the other areas, well....it's fire season. They could be ablaze by then as well!
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    Good job! Thanks....

    Thanks man.
    Yep, I'd checked out the "It's August" thread already.
    Seem like too much bickering about snow fall, and not enough fire info.
    Any recommendations on where to get a trail map to do some scouting on what-where to ride outside of the burn area?
    Maybe a local bike shop?
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    Sun Summit, The Perch, Backwoods can give you info on the trail conditions. From the maps, it probably burned a lot of the good stuff in Greenhorn, but Adams Gulch and north to Chocolate and Fox Creeks might be OK as it already burned in 2007. For the moment, it looks like the fire is not getting into the Castle Rock burn. Baldy should be OK too, as well as anything up Trail Creek and over Trail Creek Summit, as well as in the Stanley Basin. I'm a Sun Valley expat, so my info may be a bit out of date, but the local shops can give you good info. Otherwise, just ride the path to the PowerHouse and drink.

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    Well, I am pretty sure that none of those shops will be picking up the phone tomorrow....
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    Good job!

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    Well, I am pretty sure that none of those shops will be picking up the phone tomorrow....
    Yeah, I had thought about that too. I don't blame them for that for sure!
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Stockli Boy View Post
    Sun Summit, The Perch, Backwoods can give you info on the trail conditions. From the maps, it probably burned a lot of the good stuff in Greenhorn, but Adams Gulch and north to Chocolate and Fox Creeks might be OK as it already burned in 2007. For the moment, it looks like the fire is not getting into the Castle Rock burn. Baldy should be OK too, as well as anything up Trail Creek and over Trail Creek Summit, as well as in the Stanley Basin. I'm a Sun Valley expat, so my info may be a bit out of date, but the local shops can give you good info. Otherwise, just ride the path to the PowerHouse and drink.
    I'm not sure exactly where they sit, but had heard the Sawtooth - White Clouds Mountain range rides where about an hour drive from Ketchum?
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    - 9/21 - the smoke should be gone by then, but you still may get a whiff in ketchum in the a.m. (that is if ketchum is still there

    you seem to have the rest pretty well figured out.

    lots of other riding north and east, all the way to jackson.
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by mudflap View Post
    - 9/21 - the smoke should be gone by then, but you still may get a whiff in ketchum in the a.m. (that is if ketchum is still there

    you seem to have the rest pretty well figured out.

    lots of other riding north and east, all the way to jackson.
    Cool, thanks man!

    By the way, any idea on drive time to Jackson form the big K?
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    About 5, depending on traffic.
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    Check out this fire footage
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    Good job!

    Ahh, yeah, we won't be driving to Jackson.
    We'll be spending enough time in the Explorer driving up from So.Cal.
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    That's a shame, we have way better trails.










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    But completely true
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    and deeper b.s., i mean snow.
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    In all seriousness, mudflap, have you ridden here in the last five-eight years?
    I invite you, I'll show you around.

    It's no BS, just like the snowfall data. (Which is all FS)
    There are something like 1000 miles of singletrack within ~75 mile radius, of all types. Technical, rowdy, deeeeeeep backcountry, lift served, shuttle, buff, flow...it's actually pretty absurd. And excellent.
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    Good job!

    Shoot man....since you put it that way I'll have to talk with my friends!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash maxwell View Post
    Shoot man....since you put it that way I'll have to talk with my friends!
    Check out the Teton sticky...
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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    In all seriousness, have you ridden here in the last five-eight years?
    I invite you, I'll show you around.
    Never been to Central Idaho, or Jackson. BOTH have been on my list for years.
    We may have to make that work!
    Only setback is we've already booked a condo in Ketchum. Gotta see how the owner is gonna be about a possible cancellation due to the fire.
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    Plenty to ride near ketchum on the other side of the hwy too or there are ample trails on the other side of Galena. Check out the sticky. The best riding in the state is in the Stanley area in my opinion.
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    You need to come back too, Smiley...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    In all seriousness, mudflap, have you ridden here in the last five-eight years?
    I invite you, I'll show you around.

    It's no BS, just like the snowfall data. (Which is all FS)
    There are something like 1000 miles of singletrack within ~75 mile radius, of all types. Technical, rowdy, deeeeeeep backcountry, lift served, shuttle, buff, flow...it's actually pretty absurd. And excellent.
    talk like that is going to make me jealous, so cool it. someday before i die i'd like to take you up on that invite. right now i think we're heading down to the south mountains below twin. maybe see you there - we can butt heads and trash talk over some cold beer and what ever else turns you on...ahem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudflap View Post
    talk like that is going to make me jealous, so cool it. someday before i die i'd like to take you up on that invite. right now i think we're heading down to the south mountains below twin. maybe see you there - we can butt heads and trash talk over some cold beer and what ever else turns you on...ahem.
    That sounds perfect. We can get together and slag on Pocatello!

    (It's all tongue in cheek, Anyhoo....we are ALL lucky to live where we do! )
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    Good job! Thanks Backwoods Mountain Sports....

    Got to talk with Livvie and the shop, and she also said there was still plenty enough riding to do, to come on up.

    Sounds like we are gonna stick with our plans, and come on up!

    If any of you want to get in a ride, and give us a tour, give me a shout.

    Thanks for all your input!! It was very helpful!
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    Seems like a pretty good assessment. Osberg most likely closed for the rest of the season; upper Adams and Edge-of-the-World iffy. Greenhorn and Deer Creek most likely closed for the rest of the season. See post in the Sun Valley in Oct thread

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    New question here. Just Saw This...

    I just saw that this "forest closure" was in order.
    InciWeb the Incident Information System: Beaver Creek Fire Announcement

    Can you guys give me an idea on how this will affect our riding?
    I know we are heading up to Stanley for a couple of rides, but our condo is booked there in Ketchum.
    Had maps sent to my buddy's house, and he's gonna try and figure out some rides for us.
    What's area in Ketchum will won't be riding? Galena is what I remember being told. Anything else?

    Thanks again for the help....
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    Basically anything south of Galena summit, really, has riding you may consider to be questionable, or at least hit or miss.

    But the good stuff is over the pass anyway.

    It's not the closures, it's the smoke that'll mess you up. Unless you like that stuff.

    And now with the smoke blowing in from the California fires...
    Fire Info for Ketchum - SV - White Clouds - Saw Tooth Sept 21-image.jpg
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    Good job!

    Thanks man.

    Yeah, we've got a few burning down here. Right now, and I'm knocking on wood, nothing close to home.
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    You can ride in the pioneers there are some good loops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank View Post
    Basically anything south of Galena summit, really, has riding you may consider to be questionable, or at least hit or miss.

    But the good stuff is over the pass anyway.

    It's not the closures, it's the smoke that'll mess you up. Unless you like that stuff.

    And now with the smoke blowing in from the California fires...
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    The smoke is blowing up and around Teton Valley and Jackson Wyoming. I was in boise over the weekend, the sun was quite orange out there :-/

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    Today (8/26 10:30AM) SV looks clear and Stanley/Sawtooths looks gruesome.

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    Looks like it may have been fog burning off?... cleared dramatically in the last few images.

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    The short answer is that you won't have access to most of the classic Sun Valley Rides. That said, you couldn't ride them in a week anyway, and what you will have access to by mid-late september will keep you plenty occupied. You'll have to come back for the rest another time - which you'd have to do anyway.

    By the time you get here, trails in unburned areas will have reopened. Best source of info on trail closures/ openings is probably here:
    BCRD Summer TraiLink - Home

    Links to press releases, closure maps, etc.

    When they open the Adams/ Fox/ Chocolate areas - which didn't burn this fire - there will be a 1-2 afternoons of riding from town. Trails in Stanley remain open, though air quality is rumored to be worse at the moment because of other fires. Air quality in the WRV is excellent today. Check the Stanley and Smiley Creek webcams. And there's some very good, hard, all-day suffering to be had east of Ketchum - Bear-Parker Loop, Pio Cabin Loop from Corral Creek.

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    Good job! Thanks!!

    Quote Originally Posted by databot View Post
    The short answer is that you won't have access to most of the classic Sun Valley Rides. That said, you couldn't ride them in a week anyway, and what you will have access to by mid-late september will keep you plenty occupied. You'll have to come back for the rest another time - which you'd have to do anyway.

    By the time you get here, trails in unburned areas will have reopened. Best source of info on trail closures/ openings is probably here:
    BCRD Summer TraiLink - Home

    Links to press releases, closure maps, etc.

    When they open the Adams/ Fox/ Chocolate areas - which didn't burn this fire - there will be a 1-2 afternoons of riding from town. Trails in Stanley remain open, though air quality is rumored to be worse at the moment because of other fires. Air quality in the WRV is excellent today. Check the Stanley and Smiley Creek webcams. And there's some very good, hard, all-day suffering to be had east of Ketchum - Bear-Parker Loop, Pio Cabin Loop from Corral Creek.
    WOW! Thanks for the info!

    I've been watching that link, and yeah, it's been very helpful. Looks like they're calling it 93% contained at the moment.

    We were hoping for a couple of days of riding from the condo, so that's great to hear!

    We are also looking for a couple of good, rough, back country days too.
    Bike Mag had a description of a ride, "4th of July Creek", back in their 2008 issue. It was named as their favorite Idaho trail back then.
    Is it all it's supposed to be?

    Thanks again for your post! I'm gonna have my buddy with the maps check out the big day loops you mentioned!
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    This site may have some of the information you are looking for in the Fourth of July Creek area. Antz Basin Mountain Bike Trail, Stanley, ID

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    Cool, thanks!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidehiller1 View Post
    This site may have some of the information you are looking for in the Fourth of July Creek area. Antz Basin Mountain Bike Trail, Stanley, ID
    how does one get to the start of the Antz Basin trail?
    does it require a long ride up a logging road? shuttle with a high clearance 4x4? helicopter?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccm View Post
    how does one get to the start of the Antz Basin trail?
    does it require a long ride up a logging road? shuttle with a high clearance 4x4? helicopter?...
    If it were me I would drive to the 4th of July TH and start from there. It's a long dusty road that is busy on a weekend. If you don't have a shuttle and don't want to spend 8 or 9 hours on your bike with more of the miles on pavement or dirt roads rather than singletrack then I would consider other rides in the White Clouds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    If it were me I would drive to the 4th of July TH and start from there. It's a long dusty road that is busy on a weekend. If you don't have a shuttle and don't want to spend 8 or 9 hours on your bike with more of the miles on pavement or dirt roads rather than singletrack then I would consider other rides in the White Clouds.
    what other rides in the Stanley Ketchum area would you reccommend? are there "pay for shuttle" services in the area?

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