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    My perspective, as a long-time trail maintenance volunteer at CGSP:

    Stone Temple Circuit is the most ridden trail in the park. Also, it is typically the next step up for novice riders after they have mastered Shoreline. Stone Temple was planned and built as an intermediate difficulty route.

    Some of the repair work which some would characterize as "sanitizing" or "dumbing down" is in reality restoring the trail to its original state. This is a good thing in terms of maintaining trail sustainability and keeping it at an intermediate difficulty level. In addition, the reality is that when a section of trail starts to lose dirt and the rocks in the tread become more prominent, less experienced riders begin to route around the obstacles and the trail gets wider and wider. Eventually, when a large rock starts getting loose in the tread, it will be removed.

    I would recommend that more experienced riders headed to Gowdy spend less time on Stone Temple in favor of more challenging routes such as Igneoramus, Mo Rocka, Skin & Bones, or El Alto. Another option is to focus on riding "clean" the various alternate lines available in "play areas" adjacent to Stone Temple Circuit, namely Rock Gym, Huck Fins and Stone King.

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    Re: Curt Gowdy Conditions

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    I wonder who is pulling rocks out of the trails at Vedauwoo. Happened right before the Enduro.

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    Wrong thread gnar, and no one has been identified in that lawbreaking debacle
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    It wasn't me, I didn't pull any rocks out of the trails until after the enduro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphazz View Post
    It wasn't me, I didn't pull any rocks out of the trails until after the enduro.
    NSA saw this. Feds are coming after you, Alphazz!

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    but in all serious, alphazz, I hope you (and I assume you are) are kidding. Other people have been noticing tough rock garden sections in Vedauwoo being sanitized. It really sucks when there is a section I have been working hard to clean only to find some jackwagon has dug up the rock because they don't wanna hop of their bike for 3 seconds.

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    I've seen people get pissed at rocks on Ignorouramus (seriously, threw a hissy fit because they couldn't ride it), and yank rocks out of the trails... I've seen sketchy fills of roots on Rock N Roller... I bet by next summer I'll be picking up on changes on Mo Rocks. all of Gowdy is at risk. I just hope no one touches the rock garden on Crow Creek... or is that another "beginner progression to intermediate trail"?? LOL. That's one of the few spots that harken back to what riding is like on the east coast in this area. And for someone that races outside of the Laradise bubble, technical skills are needed, not practice on smoothed out trails. And talking about sketchy trails at Gowdy that are in poor repair in spots, I've heard so many complaints about Shoreline... why aren't people wasting time on Shoreline and all it's crumbly granite washed out glory?

    I've only been mountain biking for 2 years, but apparently everyone has gotten a lot more butthurt in those years over walking stuff. The first trails I ever rode at Gowdy were STC, Mo Rocka, and Pinball 2 weeks after buying a mountain bike. Yep, took me 1.5 hours to damn near walk all of STC, but it didn't cross my mind to make stuff easier. Instead, I got better, and can now, thanks to the kind trail builders removing rocks, clear it in 20 minutes without a dab. Still doesn't phase me to walk stuff even know that I'm one of those Strava using XC racing *******s. Maybe it's society, everything is suppose to be easy and safe and good for the ego...

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    I happen to be going on a family camping trip at Happy Jack this weekend, and I just recently discovered that there is a lot of good riding in the area, which is very exciting. If I'm only able to ride one day, is Gowdy the place to go, or is there any reason to choose Happy Jack? I live on the front range and consider myself to be an intermediate advanced rider, in good shape, and I'm looking to get in 10-15 miles. I like techno, but ideal is a good mixture of techno and flow. Also, since I'll be riding alone, I'm wondering how traveled the trails are in case something unfortunate happens.

    Any advice would be appreciated!

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    Gowdy is crowded on the weekends. The lower trails are a bit less crowded, but the uppers can have a lot of traffic. I don't ride Gowdy on weekends in the summer because of that, I'm not much of a people person when I'm riding. So depending on your personal preference of having to share the trails, Gowdy could definitely be the place to go or place to avoid.

    Happy Jack has a lot of awesome trails, both flow and techy (very natural tech, not maintained or designed), but a lot more remote. You can ride stuff that no one else will be on. Which is good to get away from weekend crowds, not good if you plan on something unfortunate happening. Trail routing and getting around can also be sketchy if you're not familiar, even with a map because not everything has signs. It's kinda impossible to get lost at Gowdy (great signage), but possible to do that at Happy Jack.

    You can definitely get 10-15 miles in where ever you ride without repeating trails (unless you want to repeat of course!).

    Unfortunately I'm committed to a charity road ride this weekend, otherwise I'd off to show you around...

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    Crowded or not ride Gowdy. It is not in any way crowded like front range trails are.
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    Should've posted here asking for one, I live 15 minutes away and could have brought you a loner
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    Thanks for the advice... We got up there and I realized that I forgot my $&@#ing helmet. I ended up riding about 12 miles around some of the ohv roads near our camp in happy jack. Oh well, maybe next summer, since I don't know that I'll make the trip again this year.

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    I'm not sure I like the idea of turning on the 10pm news and hearing about "trail work" on Mo Rocka "to make it more enjoyable for all trail users."

    Heading up tomorrow to check it out... Heard it didn't change the trail's character, so we'll see! Mo Rocka was getting eroded in spots...

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    How was mo rocka since the recent re-route?

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    I wimped out and never drove up. Feeling blah last weekend and now I've been sick the past few days... hopefully I'll be able to make it up there this weekend maybe! I heard it's not bad, so I have faith in what people are saying!

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    Anyone been at Curt Gowdy since this weeks rains passed through? A buddy and I will be driving up from CO Springs tonight (Thur, 2 Oct) to ride Gowdy for the first time tomorrow. If anyone wants to join in and show us around, please do. I'll be on an older "Guinness Foam" (cream) Ibis Mojo with blue Crankbrothers wheels.

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    Curt Gowdy Conditions

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    Greetings - just curious how gowdy weather and trails look today? may grab a late aft ride today and also ride tomorrow? much thanks in advance!

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    Curt Gowdy Conditions

    Trails are perfect right now
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    Anyone ridden Gowdy in last couple of days? Was there Sunday but it snowed. Hoping it has melted for this weekend. Should be cold-ish but rideable. Wondering if higher-up trails like El Alto and Mo are good or not.

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    btw, the word on Mo is pretty much done. I helped the crews up there for a while on Sunday and we finished it off. It's lookin' good.

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    Any update on Gowdy for Friday or Saturday?

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    Curt Gowdy Conditions

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    btw, the word on Mo is pretty much done. I helped the crews up there for a while on Sunday and we finished it off. It's lookin' good.
    What kind of work was done?

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    Curt Gowdy Conditions

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    Gowdy was rideable this weekend. Definitely not ideal. I made sure to hop off and walk mucky sections as to not destroy the trail but overall rideable. Lowers are bone dry. I think it is supposed to stay nice most of the week too.

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    Anyone know conditions today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagarcia89 View Post
    Anyone know conditions today?
    I do not, but I imagine they are better than what I reported on Dec 1st as we have not gotten any significant precipitation and temps have been relatively warm.

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    Curt Gowdy Conditions

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    Would anyone have an update on Happy Jack conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitlupe View Post
    Would anyone have an update on Happy Jack conditions?
    Depends on your intended application. Regular mountain bike? Not a chance. Fat bike? Probably not much ride able either unless the fat bike trails are better packed than the last time I saw them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Depends on your intended application. Regular mountain bike? Not a chance. Fat bike? Probably not much ride able either unless the fat bike trails are better packed than the last time I saw them.
    Thanks. Yes, looking for snow riding.

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    I was not too impressed with the Gowdy fat bike trails. Don't get me wrong, I am sure they weren't 100% groomed and they had not seen many riders. The geography of Gowdy is just tough for fat bike trails to stick. Happy Jack is a fat bike oasis and it's just 10 miles down the road. I need to give Gowdy another chance though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeitlupe View Post
    Would anyone have an update on Happy Jack conditions?
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/1511...26245/?fref=ts

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    Anyone have updates? I imagine it's all dry by now...
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    Still muddy in areas. Mostly in the trees and where snow piled up. Open areas are your best bet
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdemars View Post
    Anyone have updates? I imagine it's all dry by now...
    I rode pretty much all the lowers on Sunday. Most of lowers were okay but north facing areas were not. The uppers still need some time. I'd stick to the lowers for a while.

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    Took by someone today that Stone Temple was pretty good to go, mild wet spots, but otherwise ok.

    I'm giddy with excitement to ride this week, finally... woohooo!!!!

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    Wonder if MO rocka is rideable yet? Probably too muddy still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpynerd View Post
    Wonder if MO rocka is rideable yet? Probably too muddy still.
    It's good. Buddy's went up yesterday. Next to no snow or slush.

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    Rode upper trails yesterday (Stone Temple, Mo Rocka, Pinball,..) and they were great! Almost all dry with a few very short muddy sections, also touched a tiny amount of snow on trail. Unfortunately, some riders are going around the small muddy sections.

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    Thanks for the update ridewyo.

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    When I was up there on Monday I saw fat bike tires going around the snowy parts on Stone Temple that were there... WTF... of all bikes, really, not going to ride your fat bike through the snow? People, I swear...

    I'm excited it's all dry! Opting for Hewlett Gulch today for a change in scenery, but loving the fact I can pop up to Gowdy in the evenings now!

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    Rode most of the upper trails today. All dry, except realized how bad of rider i am. Need to work on my rock skills.

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    Conditions site

    Here are some handy links. A new WYDOT webcam and weather station on 210 near the park entrance can help you plan your ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by evan, yo! View Post
    Here are some handy links. A new WYDOT webcam and weather station on 210 near the park entrance can help you plan your ride.
    Awesome. Thanks, Evan!

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    I hiked the west part of the park yesterday. I went on Mo rocka and crow creek and around skull & bones. It's rideable but soupy/snowy in spots. I'll be sticking to the east for todays ride

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    Everything on the east side is bone dry; granite ridge and STC are in great shape too, but didn't do anything off of it. It seemed like most of the trails were in pretty decent shape based on talking to people.

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    Hoping Gowdy will be dry again by Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnarBrahWyo View Post
    Hoping Gowdy will be dry again by Saturday.
    How was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jagarcia89 View Post
    How was it?
    Everything is pretty much good to go right now. A soft spot here and there but by all means rideable.

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    Hold off asking about conditions for at least 2 weeks. With the amount of wet snow that fell the trails will be muddy for awhile. Head south to AZ or NM if you want dry
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    What, you mean they're aren't dry?!

    :P

    I had people asking me on Facebook yesterday if the trails were dry... dude, the roads weren't even open to get there, do you REALLY think the trails are dry?

    I'm happy about the moisture, Gowdy was a bit overly dry and chewed up for so early in the year. Hopefully this packs down a bit of the kitty litter for a tiny bit. My parents said they had 2.5 feet of snow in Laramie, so I am guessing Gowdy got a fair amount of that! (Cheyenne got 11" according to reports)

    Here's to hoping Soapstone, or some of the trails down in Fort Collins dry quickly to fill our needs

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    I am curious how long it will take to dry out. Warm temps in the extended forecast looks like...

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    Gowdy trails dry including the uppers. One small section on alberts alley was tad muddy but nothing to complain about.

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    After yesterday's rain there were a few damp spots, but it's 99.9% perfect. Go get some!

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    Still looking good there? There's practically nowhere to ride on the CO Front Range now, and I'm trying to find something else to ride. But it looks like Cheyenne may be getting rain today too, so I'm not sure it would be worth the trip from Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKAndy View Post
    Still looking good there? There's practically nowhere to ride on the CO Front Range now, and I'm trying to find something else to ride. But it looks like Cheyenne may be getting rain today too, so I'm not sure it would be worth the trip from Denver.
    It's a soggy mess outside. Rain in the forecast for the next week. I'd stay away unless you like clogging your fork in mud and messing up the trails. =(

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    *sigh* oh well, thank you for the info. Really bummed right now because I took the week off to ride and I picked the worst possible week. How often do we get a solid week of rain, even in the spring.

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    If anyone gets up to CG Sunday or Monday could you let me know if it's OK to ride. Hoping to go up there Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Thanks

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    Sunday the trails will be covered in snow per the forecast. Yesterday we had an inch of hail. I doubt the trails will be rideable, without damage, by Wednesday
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    Thanks for the info. I'm not a mudder so would rather ride semi dry trails. Let me know when you think it might be good to go. Thanks

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    Just a heads up for folks arriving 20 June - 1 May. You may have to detour into the park via Crystal lake road due to repaving the park road. Info found here http://wyospcr.state.wy.us/Press/Release.aspx?ID=1470
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    Please people, walk around the mud that is on the trails. I and Strava won't care what your times are. But the time to repair your damage may close trails in the future. More rain forecasted for Tuesday.
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    wyoracerX- I think you are supposed to stay on the trail. Walking (or riding, as most people will end up doing) around mud just kills the surrounding vegetation and widens the trail. It's way easier for trail crews to rehab ruts or armor spots that are perpetually muddy than it is to get rid of braids and wide spots. Mud isn't bad, moving soil is bad. With the soil at Gowdy, riding through the mud doesn't gum up your bike and drag tons of if it with you. Killing the vegetation around a trail causes more erosion and leads to more soil movement.

    Particularly at a place like Gowdy, where they are on top of their game with respect to trail maintenance, it's not a big deal to put some ruts in the trail. The best solution is to just not ride, though we all have the spring jitters now and there's no way to prevent people from getting out short of the park temporarily closing the trails.
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    FYI,

    Headquarters needs some tree cleanup. Death crotch and Headquarters was mostly dry, but tons of downed trees. I plan on bringing my saw this week for some trail maintenance if anyone out of the gowdy thread wants to join.

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    Not advocating walking on vegetation. There is plenty of stone and down trees to use. I think that trail erosion on pinball and ST are a bit more than just ruts
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    Quote Originally Posted by wyoracerX View Post
    Not advocating walking on vegetation. There is plenty of stone and down trees to use. I think that trail erosion on pinball and ST are a bit more than just ruts
    Some parts of Stone Temple were pretty bad. People were creating new trails by going around the wet parts. I typically try to walk through the mud and try to stay as dry as possible, then get on my bike again after I get out of the wet part. Really annoying how people just ride around kill vegetation in the process.

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    That's why I didn't agree with the logs being placed blocking the muddy spots as you could see people just riding/walking around the logs off the trail instead of staying in the mud. The muddy portions with no placed logs it was clear people were riding or walking through the actual mud.

    The park was posting on Facebook that the trails were in "good" condition and I questioned them on if they realized how much of a mud fest it was out there, and got no response. I'd be all for formal trail closures, much like what a lot of Front Range trails have, but I get the impression the park just doesn't know/care about the conditions. And people will ride because they think they're entitled to... it's one thing to preach to the choir (what you're finding on this thread) about mud etiquette, it's another to expect every trail user to know what to do. They see logs blocking the way, they'll just ride around them.

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    What kind of weather have ya'll been having up there? Any chance the trails will be ridable (with a few low impact puddles here and there) by this weekend?

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    Drizzling rain almost every day this week. Forecast is for more of the same through tomorrow
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    Thanks for the updates. Seems like the park does need some closures at times. I don't think you guys have as many idiots as we do down in Denver though. It's getting crazy down here. So many people riding so few trails, and totally mindless about trail etiquette and damage. Just let me know when I can come up and ride the DRY trails. I promise to leave em as I find em.

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    Hmmm. Continued rain in the forecast for the coming week does not look good for the Gowdy Grinder...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdemars View Post
    Hmmm. Continued rain in the forecast for the coming week does not look good for the Gowdy Grinder...
    Yeah I honestly can't say whether it will go down or not. Still lots of bogs on Pinball/Mo (which is on the race route). I can't imagine they will have hundreds of bikes going through mud pits that will sink you to your thru-axle.
    I rode Stone Temple and the lowers yesterday. Still a few bad areas even on Stonte Temple....
    People are really tearing up the trail right after play area 1 going clockwise on Stone Temple.

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    Rode the course yesterday and looks like the Conservation Corps did a lot of work clearing the trails of water. They dug in some outlets to let the water escape. Really noticeable on Albert's. Also put in some composite crossing for the certain sections that have mini-streams running through them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdemars View Post
    Hmmm. Continued rain in the forecast for the coming week does not look good for the Gowdy Grinder...
    Afternoon thunderstorms are a common occurrence and are usually predicted for every single day... very different than the all day rain we were having.

    Race is still on according to all my sources.

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    Race course was pretty good save for that giant puddle on Stone Temple.

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    That puddle was a source of some entertainment I heard! I hit it pretty hard first lap, but knew what to expect at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooshee View Post
    That puddle was a source of some entertainment I heard! I hit it pretty hard first lap, but knew what to expect at least.
    Yeah I knew to not hit the middle of it, where it was the deepest. Saw a couple of guys sink past their brake rotor and go OTB. Pays to know the course ahead of time!

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    You guys drying out up there. My bike's allergic to mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokefork View Post
    You guys drying out up there. My bike's allergic to mud.
    Should be dry but watch out for dead bodies.... NEW at 3:30 p.m.: Unidentified body found south of Crystal Lake Reservoir | WyomingNews.com

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    I am trying to scramble a trip here for a long weekend:
    Any recommendations on:

    First come campsites (we will get there early thursday)
    Trails for kids
    Trails for grown ups
    Other family friendly things to do (swimming, etc)

    Thanks!

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    First come campsites right in Aspen Grove, best one is right on the left when heading down to the parking. Best trail for kids Shoreline. Best for adults, all. Archery, hiking, fishing, rock scrambling, swimming (water is cold), boating, and relaxing.
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    Sweet info! Thanks!

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    My wife and I are coming up from Golden this weekend to camp and ride. I'm guessing trails conditions are similar to here, bone dry and otherwise fine. We've ridden there several times, so I don't need route suggestions, etc. But, if there are any trail closures or issues we should know about, I would appreciate the information. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    My wife and I are coming up from Golden this weekend to camp and ride. I'm guessing trails conditions are similar to here, bone dry and otherwise fine. We've ridden there several times, so I don't need route suggestions, etc. But, if there are any trail closures or issues we should know about, I would appreciate the information. Thanks!
    Should be good to go. I will be riding there this evening but all looks good. Will get chilly in the mornings/evenings, so be ready for that.

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    Thanks GnarBrah. I figured there wasn't anything to be concerned about since this sticky has been very quiet lately. We'll bring our fleece and stocking caps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Thanks GnarBrah. I figured there wasn't anything to be concerned about since this sticky has been very quiet lately. We'll bring our fleece and stocking caps!
    Yep, I rode last night. Trails were perfect. Have fun!

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    Love that they've repaired that washed out part at the trailhead!

    Otherwise, kitty litter. But isn't that the norm?

    Oh, and people are getting wimpy on Mo Rocka. Both drop/rock face things have go arounds now that are well beaten it. People, if I can go down it on a hardtail with a locked out front fork, so can you. Or you can walk it like I've done for years (until today, when I rode it!)

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    Which drops are you talking about? I assume one is this roller? What is the other one?
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    Has anyone been out after the snow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calbert04 View Post
    Has anyone been out after the snow?
    There is a little snow at Gowdy still. Still rideable though.

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    Howdy, any one scope out Gowdy lowers yet? I might do some recon this weekend.

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    No... but I did see them post up today that the fat bike trails are closed for the season due to mud. I really think Gowdy needs to give up on trying to make it a fat bike destination.... but maybe that's a good sign that things are drying up! Let us know what you find!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooshee View Post
    No... but I did see them post up today that the fat bike trails are closed for the season due to mud. I really think Gowdy needs to give up on trying to make it a fat bike destination.... but maybe that's a good sign that things are drying up! Let us know what you find!
    Yes, it won't be a "fat bike destination" unless they employ a snow making machine and plant a lot of trees.

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    I did a drive by on lower trails at Gowdy. I wouldn't recommend riding it quite yet. Saw quite a few drifts, trails looked muddy but dry in some spots. Im gonna give it another week or 2 before I attempt to ride the lowers. If anyone hits up the trails let us know how the conditions are.

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    A guy I know rode the lowers today and said they were dry, minus a few snow patches, and ready to go...

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    50s in forecast for this Saturday. Stay tuned for trail Gowdy lowers conditions. Should be a great ride!

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    Lowers are mostly dry. There is 2 drifts on middle kingdom other than that great ride.

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    Any word on Gowdy this year? Thanks

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