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    WTF Manitou

    I purchased a WTFSL with the Manitou Minute MRD w/Absolute Damping. Can anyone offer any setup tips for this fork?

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    Set your sag to recomended amount and ride.See if you are getting close to 5 inches of travel and adjust the air pressure to your type of riding,firm or plush.I like my rebound fast,so I have mostly open.Good luck,my fork works well for my type of riding.
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    Today I set the sag, released pressure, increased rebound 4 clicks, and getting close to 4.5 inches of travel. The stock settings were firm for my 165lbs. but I loved how it stayed at the top of its stroke. Its seems after one ride with the plush air release the DT and the MRD continued to stay at the top of the stroke. I did not expect that result, it feels great. It feels like soft coil as opposed to flat air. What's under the left top fork cap?

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    The left side is the air chamber and the right side is the damper.The manuel isnt very comprehensive.Fox does a much better job with the manuel.I noticed it felt very plush on small bumps and took jumps and drops as well as the fox rlc
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    Your exactly right, the manual is lackluster. It covers all manitou products on two pages. I have tried manitou site for info to no avail. Too new
    I know the right side is the air chamber but what is directly under the cap. I had the cap half way off when I notice the o-rings on the cap. This made me think that this might me under pressure and when I turn the last thread it was going to send the cap into my face under great pressure. Hence, why I stopped and posted. First air fork...I cannot help disassembling it to see how its built.
    I have pedal time on a vanilla & sherman, and have been a die hard coil fan for over a decade with years on a Judy SL with a White Brothers spring kit. I never liked other air offerings. So far its safe to say that this fork feels like a coil but is lighter than air, if it holds together FOX has been unseated as the leader. I'm off for an epic ride with the new adjustments and hope to get the full 5 inches of travel today.

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    Alabama,

    I'm in the UK and about to order a fork for my SL - What travel does yours have, colour? and exact model ref?

    How was the ride, I've got some Pike U turn airs on my Nomad at present so interested in some weight saving! The DT 150 TA are not available till March and very expensive!

    Thanks

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    I blew the manitou!!! Under 35 miles!!!

    My LBS opened it up today to see what went wrong. It was dumping oil out of the rebound dampening adjustment. On the stand, if you turned the bike vertical oil would poor out of the bottom of the fork. I had notice oil on the fork bottom from the beginning but not to this degree. Unfortunately, my LBS has yet to be able to find tech info on the fork for reassembly. Pending resolution.

    To be fair, it was a great 35 miles of gardens and descents... If the problem is minor such as poor torque on a crush washer thus causing the issue, then you should NOT construe this as a negative post.
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    Cycle life

    Manitou Minute MRD w/Absolute Damping, real life 5 inches of travel, its black paint with a orange peel finish, with crooked red and chrome stickers with bubbles.

    I will post pictures when the LBS returns it.

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    Spoke with Tom at Ibis, what a good guy and extremely helpful. It may not have been my descents that caused the problem but a over torqued o-ring from the factory. Tomorrow will tell... As always the guys at Ibis are top notch and willing to do anything.

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    Do you think that disassembling and then reassembling it might have contributed to the problem? Hopefully everything all works out well for you!

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    Here's an extensive thread I saw on the 29'r forum regarding the Manitou Minute, complete with some pics of one disassembled. They're talking about a 29r fork, of course, but one would think that the damping components would be the same. There are links in this thread to some really interesting reading about different fork oils as well.
    2008 Manitou Minute 120mm 29'er Fork.

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    I never disassembled the fork, I wanted to as I stated but did not because of the lack of technical info for reassembly.

    Anyway, the LBS called, Manitou did not install the o-rings in the fork from the factory. Thus, every Manitou MRD built to date is a faulty product. Manitou admitted to this. Also, during assembly, let me quote " the shoulder was so over torqued that it was broken". I do not know what this means but, Manitou admits the problem is material. Manitou asked for the fork back, but its 76 degrees and sunny, I need to be riding, so they will ship the parts over night to my LBS. Manitou stated that Ibis must rebuild the entire shipment of forks because the issue is widespread.

    Again, the fork did feel really good, but imagine what its going to feel like with oil, o-rings, and without internal parts shattered form being over torqued.

    Pending resolution...

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    Way to go Manitou! Great quality control. Entire shipment....GTBK.....perfect! Glad I have a 08' Fox Talas (I know it's heavier) and have never had a problem with it.

    'Bama- good thing that you have a very good LBS and Ibis on your side. Hope you are able to get back on your new ride soon.

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    I think Manitou is on my side, you must admit the guys are honest. This will be the test of Manitou's new customer service.

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    Just got the facts-it was in my inbox hours ago...
    1. My Fork, and all MRD were built perfectly to specs.
    2. No o-rings were ever omitted
    3. All MRDs had a o-ring / nylon washer added to achieve higher torque on the splash bath.
    4. I had the prototype version with a compression washer. Possible fact that the LBS meant this was over torqued. Pending...
    5. Tomorrow my o-ring and nylon washer will arrive.
    6. Manitous service diagnosed my issue and shipped my part to have me riding in what appears to be a 24 hour window.
    7. Fox would never offer that level of service.

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    Amazing how bad rumors get started.Things sounded really sounded bad in your previous post.How cool,you can tell every one you have a prototype fork you are testng for Manitou. Ha Ha.Glad to see good customer service.I have had good service from Fox but not 24 hour.
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    Notice the facts and the previous post are in perfect accord. The details have just come to light. If I get to ride my loop tomorrow the rumor should be - Manitous service is like having factory support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dignan22
    Way to go Manitou! Great quality control. Entire shipment....GTBK.....perfect! Glad I have a 08' Fox Talas (I know it's heavier) and have never had a problem with it.

    'Bama- good thing that you have a very good LBS and Ibis on your side. Hope you are able to get back on your new ride soon.
    And I have a 07 Talas RLC that rides like crap. What is your point? There are many people on the Shocks forum that have been complaining about the 07 Fox Forks.

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    Alabama,I was referring to post #11,what the bike shop had told you.Good luck and have a good ride.
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    Alabama:

    I have the Manitou on my SL I got in a couple of weeks ago. Is there any way for me to tell whether I have a prototype or production model without disassembling the fork? I will check closely, but I haven't noticed any leakage.

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    Honestly, post #11, is dead accurate.

    Manitou did not install the o-rings at the factory because they did not know that the prototype design would leak when over torqued. Mine was over torqued at the factory thus breaking the seal. Mantiou deemed this to be a faulty design compared to a o-ring nylon washer design. Mantiou sent a customer service rep to Ibis who personally upgraded the entire shipment of forks to the non-prototype o-ring design.

    The very first forks out the door were not upgraded because the issue was unknown. Daryder, your fork and my fork are from the same shipment but, I imagine yours has been upgraded. Its a quick install if not. If your fork is not dumping oil, its a non-issue anyway. Most all forks, regardless the brand, use the prototype design seal without problems. This is just Manitous way of ensuring above average reliability.

    You must appreciate Manitous proactive measures, to fly someone to Ibis to alter an entire shipment to add one o-ring and washer. All this effort so you can run a higher torque on the splash bath, that is commitment.

    The parts did not arrive today so lets make it 48 hours turn around time - hopefully!

    Daryder, you must admit the fork feels incredible.

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    Hey Manitou owners,
    I read the review by Rainman per the link in post#11 and wonder if any of you have noticed the clicking noise when the platform damper is engaged. Please let us all know. Thanks.

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    Parts arrived in 48 hours. The picture object was the over torqued item. My camera would not give a good focus on zoom, but its the shoulder that broke off from too much torque on the internals.

    Manitou service should never be a question or concern. The LBS was shocked at the rapid reply of support. Apparently, the fork designer guided the LBS mechanic on the phone for reassembly.

    Anyway, I found a new hop up part for the fork that makes it feel just like a fox shock, its almost installed. I will post a pic when complete.

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    Here are the internal pics
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    The Alabama Fox Conversion Kit

    That's right folks, make your Manitou MRD feel like a Fox product. For just 19.95 plus shipping, you too can pick up your SL and think you have a fox installed. Ride quality is just the same when you launch in the air, the front end dives. So if you like your bike out of balance. The Alabama Fox Conversion is for YOU!
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    Alamaba, You're a nut. LMAO
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    Nice stove

    Is that a Wolf?
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    Of course the easiest way to fix this is to go for a hike.
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    yes Duzitall, you should be asking me about my baja prepped ktm from your avatar. As a motorcyclists, you know what I know about about fox suspension history. If OHLINS made mountain bike suspension we would all have gold suspenders.

    Why is it always the least desirable dirt bike companies making the best mountain bike equipment? You would get tortured by moto enthusiast if you put Kendas on any motorcycle back in the day. In this world, people run them with pride. (including me)

    Anyway, I guess my Manitou is still owned by answer?, which is basically known for the worlds most hideous day glow motocross clothing. At least Kenda remained specialized in tires and fox in suspension.

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    Now owned by Hayes

    FYI
    Hayes bought Manitou recently.
    They are good guys to work with and have made us more confident to spec the forks.
    Hans

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    You're either rich or have no kids to absorb all your money

    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama
    If OHLINS made mountain bike suspension we would all have gold suspenders.

    Why is it always the least desirable dirt bike companies making the best mountain bike equipment?
    That's an accurate observation with the possible exception of Marzocchi. I've had good success with the Maroz stuff in both worlds.
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    Of course the easiest way to fix this is to go for a hike.
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    Thanks Hans, that explains the good looks of the new manitou!

    As to Marzocchi, did your experience come from Husky? If so, I know you blew a seal. If your experience came from MV you hit the nail on the head. Either way your right, good point.

    What's the deal with continental, my late 90's tire company is now make my air shock on my HP2. I think its the first air shock on a moto, that I am aware of. It saves ten pounds! I wonder who really makes this shock? Does this look familiar to anyone?
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    Show off!

    Dang Alabama you are rich I know nothing about that fancy Continental technology.

    As for blowing a seal...leave my personal life out of this

    EDIT: for those that don't know what an HP2 is check out Alabama's other, other bike

    http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bike.jsp?b=hp2

    Alabama, what else you got in your quiver? Lamborgini perhaps? Hansa jet maybe?
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    Duzitall, lets just say the Alabama Fox Conversion Kit has been a real big income producer!

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    So, how does it ride??

    P.S. Damn nice bike.... both of them...

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    Geez, freakin BMW's are so pricey. That HP2 Enduro looks like a torque tank! I remember my old Honda XL350, talk about a torque engine, it would chug up anything in a very low gear.

    I prefer this instead, my Gentleman's crotch rocket aka Aprilia Tuono
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    Hey guess what, If you check BikeMagic.com, they show Magura 09 shock offering which looks like the Continental shock that Alabama posted
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    Love your pasta jet! Mix a super bike chassis with v-twin torque with mountain bike handle bars equals one result - monos all day long. Not to mention the sound from the Akrapovic $$ exhaust. Very Tasteful and Nasty at the same time.

    The HP2 sounds like a M5, too quite. The Akrapovic full ti system is on my wish list. It got bump by the mojo. What a good move. Now I am stealthy and in good shape. Well at least stealthy.

    Have you been to http://www.advrider.com great opening... Someone turned your bike into a baja bike. The same conversion was done on a Ducati Monster its nuts.

    As to your comment on old Hondas, I will have some fun pics for you in about a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alabama
    Today I set the sag, released pressure, increased rebound 4 clicks, and getting close to 4.5 inches of travel. The stock settings were firm for my 165lbs. but I loved how it stayed at the top of its stroke. Its seems after one ride with the plush air release the DT and the MRD continued to stay at the top of the stroke. I did not expect that result, it feels great. It feels like soft coil as opposed to flat air. What's under the left top fork cap?
    What did you end up setting your pressure to?

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