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    What should the next 5 models be?

    Suggestions please...

    What does the Ibis forum think the next 5 models should be?
    Thanks for any thoughts on this. We value your input!

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    Ripley,
    Hakkalugi Disc
    Hardtail 29er
    HD Ripley
    Road Disc

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    In order of personal preference:
    650b Mojo SLR
    29er Tranny
    Longer travel (140ish mm) Ripley HD
    "Super" Mojo HD 180mm - 200mm travel slacker angles

    On second thought never mind. Don't think my credit card could take the pain.

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    29er tranny with soft tail, haka disc, 650 mojo.

    and a hot fire engine red color.

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    - Ibis DH bike would be awesome
    - While marketwise I'd like to see a 650b AllMountain rig at around 160mm, it probably would be too close to the current HD, so...
    - 650b at around 1400 to 150mm with slack angles

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    Just make the 160 HD with internal routing so I don't have to see the ugly cables running down the top of the upper tube of the bike anymore!

    I's also take a 150mm travel 650b specific bike with slack angles for enduro racing!

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    Ripley
    650B SL-R 140 (650B spec geometry)
    Tranny with drops to accomodate gears or SS
    Disc spec luggi

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    !70-180mm HD that's slacker and a longer front center.
    650b wheels if it satisfies the cries of the masses.

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    650b HD
    DH bike
    Ripley 140

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    1) DH bike. It seems carbon DH bikes are starting to hit mainstream acceptance, meaning the public would be pretty excited about a new, (relatively) light, DW-link Ibis DH bike.

    2) 650B SL-R. It seems most 140mm and below bikes are heading this way. Would be good to at least have a prototype geo spec'd out and tested. Some Interbike guys were pretty stoked on the Intense Cabine 27.5 (2012 All Mountain Bike Tests at Interbike Outdoor Demo | Mountain Bike Review | Page 9) and I think a 27.5 SL-R would be even better.

    3) Tranny 29er. The HT 26er seems to be a dying breed. The traveling and SS versatility of the Tranny would be a nice addition to the 29er HT market.

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    Oh and...

    4) Internal cable routing for the SL-R, HD, Ripley. Ibis bikes are extremely clean and slick looking, except for the cable routing. Internal routing would just make them that much smoother looking.

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    A 26" HD140 with slacker headangle and slightly longer toptube, love my current HD140, but would love if it was a degree or 2 slacker and a 1/4 lower. Internal routing would be cool too and ISCG tabs. Oh and give us colour options for the decals, I know you did a custom matte black/orange for Lopes, a matte black/lime green HD 140 with the above would the raddest thing ever!!

    A long travel 140mm 650b tranny, again ISCG tabs, switchable dropouts and a maxle, internal routing for dropper post. I love having a hardtail for winter and atm the current tranny just doesnt fit the mold I'm after, so a long travel tranny would be awesome!

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    1. 650B something or other (would be cool to have limbo chips like the HD, to switch between 140 & 160, but with the 650B platform)
    2. 29" HT, similar geo concept to the Canfield Yelli screamy. Would work equally well for trail ripping or XC racing, depending on fork & build (double points for tranny removable rear tri & rack mounts for backcountry adventures)
    3. Hakka disc (same comment about rack mounts, maybe fender mounts also?)

    Ripley HD & a DH bike seem like obvious markets, although not my particular cup of tea.

    One crazy idea is to team up with a cheap China/Taiwan carbon frame manufacturer, and do a sort of retro-inspired city/randonee/gravel grinder bike. There are some beautiful city bikes out there in the $1200 (complete) range, and if Ibis could hit this price point (hence the suggestion of teaming up with someone to reduce costs) it would be great to see them draw on this part of their heritage. I just built up something similar myself (carbon on one frame), and it's a blast to ride (if a little hard on the eyes). One of these with Ibis' design sensibility would be just swoon-worthy. A sort of wet-winter, merino, hip-flask, mud-in-yer-eye kind of bike.

    PS: why does MTBR automatically hyperlink when I write "backcountry?" I'm not a shill for them ... not my doing ...
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    650b Mojo HD 160 w/internal cable routing.

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    150mm HD w/slack geo designed around 650B, but 26er backwards compatible
    DH bike with high/lo settings for park days and race days
    Ripley HD to compete with the Tallboy LT - which is a damn good bike...
    4-5 in 650b trail bike with more "traditional" angles 68-69 HA, but angleset compatible
    *like others have said internal cable routing, I get nervous every time I throw my HD over my pickup pad w/the cables exposed at the top of the downtube, right where it contacts the pad...
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    Ibis cross-commuter

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    One crazy idea is to team up with a cheap China/Taiwan carbon frame manufacturer, and do a sort of retro-inspired city/randonee/gravel grinder bike. There are some beautiful city bikes out there in the $1200 (complete) range, and if Ibis could hit this price point (hence the suggestion of teaming up with someone to reduce costs) it would be great to see them draw on this part of their heritage. I just built up something similar myself (carbon on one frame), and it's a blast to ride (if a little hard on the eyes). One of these with Ibis' design sensibility would be just swoon-worthy. A sort of wet-winter, merino, hip-flask, mud-in-yer-eye kind of bike.:
    I like the idea of creating a commuter/townie bike that came with a double wheelset. Mix it up with a 650b and 700c combo. One set of wheels that work great on pavement, going fast. One set of wheels that handles the gravel roads, mild singletrack. A bit wider eh? A frame that supports the wider wheelset and has a fancy built in rack. Carbon and metal bits that look great and function well. A 100-120mm front fork. What would be really slick is a carbon belt drive. Both wheel sets would be internal gear hubs but with different gear ratios for a urban and city/county park runabout. Build in a flask or ibis specific gear tote, leather, with carbon cover flap. Disc brakes, maybe a couple of choices on handlebars. Go with a price point like budgie suggests.
    There is a big difference between ripping and skidding.

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    650b HD with170mm travel or just 26er
    Compact aero road frame with integrated seat post

    And like others have said, internal cable routing!

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    1. 650b HD 160MM (SHORTER CHAIN STAY) (INTERNAL CABLES)
    2. HD (" ")
    3. DH BIKE ( WITH GWIN LEADING THE TEAM)
    4. FREERIDE BIKE
    5. RIPLEY BELIEVE IT OR NOT

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    SL-R and HD with 650b optional dropouts.
    Super HD 200mm downhill bike.
    29er hardtail w/o removable tail.
    Bye bye Tranny and SL

    Fine tunning: 0,5 degree slacker on SL-R, 1 degree slacker on HD, 5-10mm larger TT in all sizes, one more color option for HD, 50mm and 60mm stem options. 750mm handlebar on HD. Chain series matching buildkits series. Straight & firm grips. Pad contact adjuster on Formulas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalkpaw View Post
    commuter/townie bike ... fancy built in rack. Carbon and metal bits that look great and function well....different gear ratios for a urban and city/county park runabout. Build in a flask or ibis specific gear tote, leather, with carbon cover flap. Disc brakes, maybe a couple of choices on handlebars.
    Yup, (although I was thinking full rigid). I know it's out of the MTBR constituency, but this is a growing segment worldwide, and I bet they'd sell a shedload of these things in London, Melbourne, Amsterdam, Tokyo, Portland, San Francisco, Vancouver... Cities with lots of people who A) like bikes B) pay a premium for purdy design and C) have a disposable income.
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    Ibis tandems

    I would love to see an ibis tandem

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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post

    One crazy idea is to team up with a cheap China/Taiwan carbon frame manufacturer, and do a sort of retro-inspired city/randonee/gravel grinder bike. There are some beautiful city bikes out there in the $1200 (complete) range, and if Ibis could hit this price point (hence the suggestion of teaming up with someone to reduce costs) it would be great to see them draw on this part of their heritage. I just built up something similar myself (carbon on one frame), and it's a blast to ride (if a little hard on the eyes). One of these with Ibis' design sensibility would be just swoon-worthy. A sort of wet-winter, merino, hip-flask, mud-in-yer-eye kind of bike.
    Disagree, keep Ibis as a premium brand, let the others fight over the scraps. You have a great reputation for customer service and on a lower margin bike I could only see CS suffering.

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    Here's four:

    Mojo HD-X
    Travel: - Native 180mm, limbo chipped down to 160mm
    Uses: Aggressive trail, Park, Mini DH, Slope Style, Enduro, etc.
    Features: Adjustable headtube angle, low stand over height via T.A.C.C.B. Eccentric Linkage and possibly Clavis/ down tube mounted shock, locking rear maxle, internal cable routing where it makes sense, removable/replaceable wear plates that protect the frame in high frequency wear spots, ISCG mounts, 2.6" tire clearance... whew!

    650b/29er Tranny - Add-venture
    Story: Weekday commuter, weekend ripper or Go touring, find some sweet single track, remove racks, set-up tent, change tires, go shred, come back, drink beer, avoid dudes with guns that want to rob you :-)
    Frame Mods: Tap non-drive drop out, derailleur hanger, and seat stay bolt (internally tapped) to permit rack mounting, tapered head tube, keep everything else same

    Mojo DH
    Similar to HD-X but, lower, slacker, longer travel etc... Unless you guys have a g-box design up your sleeves.

    650b Compatible Mojo SLR
    Travel: Native 140 - limbo chip down to XC race travel/geo
    Keep everything else as is but accommodate the next gen larger volume 650b tires

    XS and XXL sized bikes in models that make sense.

    Thanks Hans!!!

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    Updated HD 140/160. Also a Downhill 180/160 HD. A Downhill HD not be a huge seller though.
    29er Tranny
    120 FS trail bike that does 26 and 650b.
    Updated SLR 140
    Disc Hakkalugi

    I would think a second gen HD would be a big seller.

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    29 tranny
    650b SLR

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    carbon BMX racebike
    29" tranny

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    So,Ibis,seems to be a lot of interest for something in a dedicated 650b.considering the Mojo is one of the top conversions,why not all over this? I am building up a dedicated 275er and as much as I would have liked it to be an Ibis sadly you offer nothing and would even hold off if at least you would anounce something in the works,really think you guys have missed a great opportunity 650b is here it's real it's here to stay!

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    I would like to renove my dh bike!

    I still waiting...

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    DH Bike

    A DH BIKE.

    Id even take a FR bike that was not necessarily meant to be pedaled anywhere so as to not compromise true rip-ability. ie. LOW BB and properly slack seat tube and HT angles, like a DW carbon version of the TR250..

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    I really wanted my kids first bike to be a mini tranny or like a mini mojo hardtail (just because the frame on the mojo is so sexy). We had to settle for a trek.

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    The ripley!
    ripley with more travel
    650b mojo with 150mm of travel
    Tranny HD that can take a 150mm fork
    A lighter HD with cable routing for a reverb stealth

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    A 650b Mojo HD 160 with a rear triangle retrofitable to existing HD frames!

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    Steel Hakka with discs.

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    Ibis Tranny 650b rear triangle

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    Ripley HD (140mm)
    HD 650B (160mm)
    silk w/ disc (be prepared for hydraulic lines)
    lugi w/ disc (be prepared for hydraulic lines)
    tranny29er

    and I promise to own all 5.
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    Ibis is in an interesting position.

    It seems like 1/2 the consumers who buy their bikes are some of the most ripping bike riders out there. Those folks who buy their products for the advantages of carbon construction, DW suspension, and a core brand image.

    The other 1/2 are your riders who are 180 degrees in the other direction. Image driven riders who like Ibis bikes because they are "smooth", expensive, and look pretty.

    I'm sure its very difficult to build bikes for one user group without alienating the other. They want/need 2x very different things. Hard to build bikes that are purpose built for both.

    Bikes I think that would do well in the current Mtb market are...

    1. An HD Ripley
    2. A DH race sled
    3. A short travel and light weight cross country machine built for pinners. Those who want aggressive angles and design but built around a 120mm fork platform
    4. Seems like Ibis could use a HT 29'er in their lineup. Don't kill off the 26in.
    5. Whatever 650b the market is clamoring for.

    6. If I could actually predict what Ibis should be designing now to stay a market cycle ahead of the curve, I wouldn't be writing this post, would I?

    With electronics making their way into suspension and drive train components and design in the coming years, I would like to see Ibis frames utilize the ability to shape carbon to help disguise, hide, and strategically place these systems to make them less invasive to a riders experience, and thus more likely to be adopted.

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    1. SL-R
    2. MOJO HD - Improve cable routing, red and black colour.
    3. MOJO SL-100 XC Bike
    4. MOJO HD-X 180-200mm Freeride with slacker angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Suggestions please...

    What does the Ibis forum think the next 5 models should be?
    Thanks for any thoughts on this. We value your input!

    Hans / Ibis
    Modular, convertible drop outs making low or higher BB heights, and for both 26" and 650b wheels, on the same bikes for all models. Or if possible, 29" and 650b wheels on some the same XC bike models.

    XXL size for most popular models.

    Continue the current Tranny, SL-R 140mm, and HD140/160, all upgraded with 26/650b modular drop outs. And the current HD could be 170mm optional with 26" wheels if a 2.75" stroke shock could fit in the center frame with some even tighter clearing mounting chips making a travel appropriate 14" BB height.

    New models I think would sell well:
    1. rigid/hardtail, Tranny type frame, 29'er (with 650b modular drop out option, if possible)

    2. 100 to 120mm travel optional XC racer, SL-R or improve the looks of the Ripley type frame, 29'er (with 650b modular drop out option, if possible)

    3. 180 to 220mm travel optional FR/DH, HD type frame, with 26"/650b modular dropouts (g-box may be too heavy to be a competitive DH race option, and is probably best matched with a higher monopivot concentric chain-drive)

    Internal cables would look nicer, but only if easy to maintain (can an internal hydraulic line ever be easy to maintain?).

    I think the current frame geometry is fine, and having tapered head tubes with angled head-seats and modular drop outs would allow extreme angles, slacker or steeper.

    Thanks for asking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vald View Post
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    Perhaps the HD renewed with angles most current and 650 b ... this!

    This!! But with 26" wheels and 150mm

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    Hard core AM rig

    What seems to be all the rage now is super capable AM bikes. The likes of Knolly chilcotin, firebird, Nomad. That's what Ibis is missing. HD with all it's versatility comes up short in this department. So
    1). Super capable Am rig with 170-180 mm travel, super plush descender, good climber and stiff and light frame Ibis is famous for. If you can design it around 27" wheels great but 26" would be perfect as well with much better tire choice especially if you give us clearance for 2.5 tires in the back
    2). DH bike is great for marketing but for 90 percent of people the above rig (see number1) is more then enough for park days

    3). Good 20" kids bike. Full suspension and carbon if you can keep the cost down

    4) great 24" carbon bike for shorter women and bigger kids
    5). Women's bike with even more attractive colors and design + xs sizes on all your models

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilyam3 View Post
    What seems to be all the rage now is super capable AM bikes. The likes of Knolly chilcotin, firebird, Nomad. That's what Ibis is missing. HD with all it's versatility comes up short in this department. So
    Wrong!
    The HD is a better all around performer than the ones you mentioned. That's all.
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    650B Mojo HD 160/140 - or maybe a rear triangle to retrofit
    Mojo HD 180

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    The website STILL says, "Delivery Update: The Ripley 29 is currently in development..." Soooooooo, how about that one?
    "if you can't be good, be good at it."

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    - 120 mm Ripley 29 is a great start.
    - 150 mm Ripley 275, please design a 27 from ground up and not a retrofit. Please no more cables above top tube or below bottom and a hole for Stealth routing. It would be awesome if the frame was more HD like in frame strength but understandably it would probably be a successor to the SL-R. Down tube and chainstay protection. Room for a piggyback and cagemount inside front triangle. An ENDURO(racing) slayer. I would buy this bike tomorrow.
    - I'd go for a 180 mm HD.
    - 29er Tranny for sure.
    - Keep and revise the Hakka - seems to be a quickly growing market and I guess if I would be hanging out with my cross buddies more I'd pick one up.

    Lot of guys wanting both a long travel 27 and 29 but doesn't make any sense for a company to do both. It will be interesting to see what happens in the near future with long travel 29ers(130+) with the emergence of the 27s, and as much as I enjoyed riding a Tallboy LT, I see more efforts going the route of 275.

    After 3 seasons on my HD I'm ****in' sold on IBIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But hurry up with that 275 because I'm buying a new bike next spring
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Suggestions please...

    What does the Ibis forum think the next 5 models should be?
    Thanks for any thoughts on this. We value your input!

    Hans / Ibis
    A meaner and revised HD that warrants the recent price increase that is plusher in it's travel, slacker front end, lower BB/standover and perhaps longer (wheelbase) with shorter chainstays if possible. Basically how it would run with a -1/1.5 deg angleset, but in stock format with adjustable geometry and 650b compatibility if possible for the converting masses (like Chilcotin, Rune V2). Basically, the bike should be a AM/Enduro/FR/mini-DH/trail killer that can still climb like a champ that it is.
    Ride On!

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    as mentioned

    650b SLR
    slacker, lower, longer HD, maybe increased to 170mm

    revised sizing across the range, either increase TT by about 20m per size, or cut an inch off the seat tube and rename them to the lower size
    for example, current medium HD with 17" seat tube becomes, small HD with 16" seat tube

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    1) Ibis Mojo DH bike - 200mm, lower BB, slacker 64-65 HT.
    While I use my HD for park rides as well (swap components), I would prefer having a dedicate DH bike with slacker angle that rips downhill. Most friends have carbon V10, but a light 8" bike would improve on the excellent HD with only 6". I need more rear travel - can't even get fox fork to do full travel...

    2) HD rear triangle to retrofit 275 - multiple dropout to support 26/275 would be cool on most bikes. Running a TK 2.4 on front make a big difference vs smaller tires, so I can't image what 275 would do to my rolling over rough stuff.

    3) SLR special blend - convinced 2 friends to get SL special blend instead of specialized bikes, and they love it. It's the best kept secret, which I'm not sure why.

    4) XXL mojo bikes

    but #1 by far

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