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    What exactly is the hold up?

    what is a typical day at this chinese carbon fiber place like? anyone have any insight?

    does the place have a website? well, i know they have a website...anyone know what it is?

    what else do they make? i don't know about you guys, but i like to know more about where my frame is coming from and what other stuff the place makes. (for instance, there is a website for the place where Turner frames are made)

    what is the production capacity? one frame per week? what the heck are they actually doing over there???

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    If you are asking about Ibis bikes, why not make a polite call to their office, if your local shop is unable to clarify things?

    Firing a random question on the web will get you a lot of replies, but the only one that matters is from the people who actually supply the things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbieracer
    If you are asking about Ibis bikes, why not make a polite call to their office, if your local shop is unable to clarify things?

    Firing a random question on the web will get you a lot of replies, but the only one that matters is from the people who actually supply the things.
    Excellent point! Plus, I would imagine that Ibis frames are manufactured in Taiwan, not China.
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    Aint Ibis frame manufactured in China? If I recall correctly that is. Dont worry these guys are experienced in carbon production
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    Quote Originally Posted by robbieracer
    If you are asking about Ibis bikes, why not make a polite call to their office, if your local shop is unable to clarify things?

    Firing a random question on the web will get you a lot of replies, but the only one that matters is from the people who actually supply the things.
    ...because i am busy in the day. hard to make calls, unless they are unpolite.

    and i wouldn't want to make an unpolite call to ibis. i figured the manufacturer might have been common knowledge, thought someone on here would know. i guess no one cares who makes their $2000+ carbon frame. oh well, doesn't hurt to try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnV
    Excellent point! Plus, I would imagine that Ibis frames are manufactured in Taiwan, not China.
    i thought the february chinese holiday was a set-back issue....so naturally i figured china.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Aint Ibis frame manufactured in China? If I recall correctly that is. Dont worry these guys are experienced in carbon production
    I honestly don't know. What I do know is I had a fantastic ride on my Mojo this morning! China, Taiwan, whatever.... the more I ride it, the more I love it!
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    I know where all my frames are made so I don't think they will have a problem sharing some information with you. Well, they may keep it a bit general but this factory may be producing other carbon components and frames as well and you sure can't go stoll on in there on Monday anyway.

    Just give them a call but don't use any information as fodder to start a flame-fest. Just saying.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    I know where all my frames are made so I don't think they will have a problem sharing some information with you. Well, they may keep it a bit general but this factory may be producing other carbon components and frames as well and you sure can't go stoll on in there on Monday anyway.

    Just give them a call but don't use any information as fodder to start a flame-fest. Just saying.....
    huh? i am not sure i really understand what you are saying? i am not trying to start any flame fest

    i have one coming soon, why would i be out to knock it? hello?

    i guess ibis owners don't care about where the frames are made, the history behind them, etc. i like to know that kind of stuff. (hans -- pm me the answers to post #1 and i'll keep it on the dl)

    maybe i like to know if my frame is made along side of formula race car parts or space shuttle goodies...etc.

    fine let the thread die...i'll remain oblivious like everyone else here

    i can't believe derby or wheelhot have failed to answer, they seem to know everything else. maybe they don't want to share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BunnV
    What I do know is I had a fantastic ride on my Mojo this morning! China, Taiwan, whatever.... the more I ride it, the more I love it!
    that's great you got one....maybe the rest of us could enjoy it too, if they made more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Dont worry these guys are experienced in carbon production
    that's a big relief.

    where do you get your information?

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    In relation to the production facilities of the Mojo here is a quote from an old thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tall Tom
    Hello Vicentp,

    Tom from Ibis posting. The answer to your question is not a simple as you may think. So instead of saying that the Mojo is made here or there I'll give you the necessary information and let you decide. The carbon components of the frame are made in China, just outside Hong Kong. The aluminum parts - such as the links and seat clamp - come from Taiwan. The bearings are from Japan, and the Fox shock comes from the US. We gather all these components here in Scotts Valley, California and assemble it into a frame. So knowing all that, where does the Mojo come from? Depends on your perspective, I guess.
    where is built the mojo frame???
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    mx_599: you misunderstand me. I was merely mentioning this because sometimes, info given to customers becomes a topic that starts a flame-fest on mtbr, especially that Taiwan versus china battle. Just disregard what I said though.

    I'm with you- I also like to know where my frame is made and who made it. I would not buy a frame that I did not know the general origin of. I think you make a valid point. Oh, I do not own an Ibis but have ridden a couple.

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    There you go- China


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    sorry for the misunderstanding.

    everyone is just so quick to jump down everyone's throat on these forums. it is sometimes ridiculous.
    the turner forum was one of the worst. guys on there with thousands of post that thought they knew everything... then i find back threads talking about very basic suspension set-up that they admitted to not knowing. it was hilarious

    even one of the prolific posters on the ibis forum totally goofed on CCDB info. malcolm with cane creek was laughing when i forwarded the thread to him and told me to call him.

    so anyway, will i still buy a mojo if i found out the carbon was being laid by 12 yr olds in a sweat shop? absolfreakinglutely! especially with the raving reviews and personal endorsement of wheelhot.

    thanks for helping portti, but i basically knew that already. i was hoping for some more juicy infomation. like websites (everyone has one), other bikes made there, other high tech industry stuff, etc...

    i only care about the frame. i could care less who owns fox or where its parts are made now.

    but thanks everyone, i guess it will remain the ibis mystery....

    **please direct future inquiries of this nature to this thread. maybe it should be a sticky **

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    Enjoy the ride, mx. I bet one of the HK mtbr members can find out for us and even post a few pics of the factory.

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    If you would rather speculate after hours than talk to a shop, or the factory, I think your pursuit of the facts about delivery is not very genuine. After all, have you ordered a frame? Are you wondering about getting one? Did a shop check for you?

    Me, I have had a frame on order for a while, and if I want the delivery details my national distributor will ask Ibis directly. Simple

    There seem to be plenty of Mojos about.. the SL is a far more rare creature at the moment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbieracer
    If you would rather speculate after hours than talk to a shop, or the factory, I think your pursuit of the facts about delivery is not very genuine. After all, have you ordered a frame? Are you wondering about getting one? Did a shop check for you?

    Me, I have had a frame on order for a while, and if I want the delivery details my national distributor will ask Ibis directly. Simple

    There seem to be plenty of Mojos about.. the SL is a far more rare creature at the moment!
    are you talking to me? who is not genuine? why else would i be asking questions? you should read post number 9 again.

    like i said, i thought someone on here would have a clue. i am relatively new here, thought a regular would be able to answer.

    to be quite honest, i just don't really feel like calling ibis to ask....but eventually i might.

    speculating is fun.

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    Here is another quote from an older post:

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc
    Hans from Ibis posting...
    ...
    A little story about one part of the frame:
    When we shopped the lower link fabrication in the US the quotes ranged from $60 each to "it can't be made". Basically, no takers. We now get them made at the same factory that makes the cases for Apple laptops and Ipods among other things. Hi quality and competitive pricing. We have a full model and machine shop at our disposal next door, but we have a high tech forging house in Taiwan that makes it possible to bring something like this to market. We do the prototypes here and production there.

    Look at a Mojo frame, keeping in mind that it is a one piece hollow structure. It is probably the most difficult composite bicycle frame ever made. We are fortunate to be working with a factory that can pull it off. It is in Shen Zhen China. If it could be in the US, that would have been great, but I don't think we would have sold many frames since we would expect the price to be 2 - 3 times higher.
    ...
    Mojo or Cinclon?

    I think that there is one other post where the production facility is mentioned but I couldn't find that one right now.

    It sure would be interesting to learn more about the factory that produces the carbon parts for the Mojo frame.
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    I've been to Shenzen area 4 times. I wish I would have known about the carbon frame being made there and I would have tried to find the place. I have a friend who currently works in the area. I'll see if he can snoop around and come up with some details.

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    |I've read that the Mojo frames are manufactured by O-Ta Precision Industry Co, Ltd. at the Inda Nano Industrial factory. The factory makes products related to ice hockey, bicycle parts, skating, skiing and archery. Read more about the production facility at http://61.221.178.17/eng/about_us/?cateId=8&fmenu=7.

    I think that the rubber paint on the Mojo SL is an idea from the ice hockey production taking place at the factory.

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    thanks all you guys! this is what i am talking about. thanks for looking for some of those old threads portti. i think it is kind of cool that currently or at one time parts of my bike were made where parts of apple stuff is made. does it mean anything? nope. just neat info.

    thanks guys

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    Ok, now I finally found the old thread where the production facility is mentioned:

    Quote Originally Posted by Scot Nicol
    Here is a paragraph from the "more about the Mojo Carbon" page on our website

    "Although we design, engineer and test the bikes in and around our facility near Santa Cruz, the lightweight frame and swingarm is built for us in China by a small, prestigious fabricator. Frames from this shop have used to contest the Tour de France and the UCI world cup. The founder, Dr. Chen has his PhD in Composites from National Taiwan Institute of Technology University."

    And here's even a little more information for you.
    The company is called Inda, and they are in the Shenzhen area where much of today's carbon manufacturing is coming from (Kestrel, Specialized, Colnago, Scott, Cervelo, Trek, Merlin, Orbea, Felt, Ridley and a bunch more for that matter).

    We do all the development here, the design, FEA, engineering and testing. We have over 1700 hours of CAD time into the Mojo alone.
    http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/ibis-mojo-carbon-who-has-ordered-one-154995.html#post1755043

    Indeed it seems like the carbon parts are manufactured by a company called Inda which is probably the one runemm mentioned?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Portti
    Usually only a large bike company would do something like this. Bringing Ibis back into the market, we felt we needed to do a cannonball into the pool, not wade in on the shallow end... At this point in time it looks like it was the right thing to do. It was also good timing for Ibis that composite manufacturing technology was getting to the point where something like this was possible.
    Thanks Portti, I had not read that one. I guess they pretty much did the above if they got me to buy one.

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    We gather all these components here in Scotts Valley, California and assemble it into a frame.
    Well that explains it! The crew must be out sampling some of the local 'harvest', thus no work is getting done. The China/Taiwan/Japan part of it is just a convenient excuse...

    (Common guys, lighten up a little will ya?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mx_599
    are you talking to me? who is not genuine? why else would i be asking questions? you should read post number 9 again.

    like i said, i thought someone on here would have a clue. i am relatively new here, thought a regular would be able to answer.

    to be quite honest, i just don't really feel like calling ibis to ask....but eventually i might.

    speculating is fun.

    You sound agro dude. -AB

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrewbaker77
    You sound agro dude. -AB
    no, not really. just getting frustrated. then i was disappointed because it seemed like this sub-forum was going to be as unfriendly as another one i ran into.

    but it is turning out okay. there were more helpful posts as time went on. i definitely learned a little more.



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    Ibis sub forum folks by far is the friendliest I met
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Ibis sub forum folks by far is the friendliest I met
    we know each other from the other forum. why aren't you there anymore?

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    News flash: Ibis fans riot in front of california headquarters chanting "I want my SL".
    Not a bad product considering the number of people and what they have accomplished. I'm betting that right now they are in China busting it to get the back orders done cause it is costing them $. I'm going to be more patient from now on.
    Give them a few years and they will have finances to do a state of the art facility here like ellsworth did. I'm quite sure they don't want to be in that environment just for the health reasons alone.
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    we know each other from the other forum. why aren't you there anymore?
    Well, I would love to return, but each time I give some advice people treat me as a kid and start condemning my points, I grew up from the past years but people dont see that (and yes I ask some stupid questions and acted like a hippy kid). Thats my main reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Well, I would love to return, but each time I give some advice people treat me as a kid and start condemning my points, I grew up from the past years but people dont see that (and yes I ask some stupid questions and acted like a hippy kid). Thats my main reason.
    that's cool,.

    can't you sell your giant and get a mojo? even a regular mojo?

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    Doh!

    Guess that means that my frame will to US, Then me in the UK.
    I love waiting... no I really do. I will all be worth it.

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    sadly, I live in Malaysia, so shipping plus tax cost will already kill me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    sadly, I live in Malaysia, so shipping plus tax cost will already kill me.
    have you really investigated it THAT well? what does shipping cost of just a frame?

    you could use many of your parts on the giant.

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    have you really investigated it THAT well? what does shipping cost of just a frame?

    you could use many of your parts on the giant.
    If by ship it will be kinda cheap compared to air, hmm...well I could use the part from my Giant like what you mentioned but sadly my Recon fork is only 80mm (can only be extended till 100mm only). A trail fork will cost me about RM2k and thats a lot of money for a mountain bike and my mom wont agree with me spending that much money. Well maybe a few more years I will own my own Mojo.

    Oh yeah and bike tax for Malaysia is bout 5 - 15%, I think frame is 15%
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    If by ship it will be kinda cheap compared to air, hmm...well I could use the part from my Giant like what you mentioned but sadly my Recon fork is only 80mm (can only be extended till 100mm only). A trail fork will cost me about RM2k and thats a lot of money for a mountain bike and my mom wont agree with me spending that much money. Well maybe a few more years I will own my own Mojo.

    Oh yeah and bike tax for Malaysia is bout 5 - 15%, I think frame is 15%
    there should be plenty of used forks between 130-160mm on ebay you could get. don't you think?

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    there should be plenty of used forks between 130-160mm on ebay you could get. don't you think?
    Again, budget is my biggest concern. Anyway Im no rush into getting a Mojo yet so I can ride and enjoy my Anthem first
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Anyway Im no rush into getting a Mojo yet so I can ride and enjoy my Anthem first
    Wait a minute! I thought you're The Mojo Fanboy! j/k

    I agree with you, no sense in pushing it. Make the most of what you have and just enjoy riding it. That is what really matters, anyway.
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    Hahahaha, Im a Mojo fanboy who haven't own a Mojo yet, how ironic is that (hope you guys dont mind )
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    it looks like the company that makes the ibis frames are really into the golf market

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    Good job! Mojo's are here!!!

    Hey Guys & Gals,

    Here is a picture of Inda Nano where all our jubbly Mojo's are made!

    Location: Guangdong Province - Shenzhen City
    Manufacturers Address: Bao'an District, Shenzhen City Komeito White Pine Village town industrial zones C-1
    Contact: Lee HAMLETT
    Tel :86-755-81725666
    Fax :86-755-81725118
    http://www.indanano.com Website: http://www.indanano.com
    cservice@inda.com.cn E-mail: cservice@inda.com.cn

    Please PM If this is of any help.

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    Hans, Got A Minute To Give Us An Update For Worst Case Wait Time Brown/Gray

    Mojo's are here!!!
    I thought at first you meant here...as in the u s of a but they are ..."there".
    For orders of colored frames placed in Dec. this is getting to be a long wait.
    At this point I think many fans would like to know worst case scenerio time. The Beijing olympics are coming up pretty fast.
    I hope Hans has a minute soon to give us an update as to what the issues are. I think as loyal Moj fans we can handle it pretty well, and have grown to expect it with the excellent customer comunication we've had on these forums.
    It's an awesome bike, miles ahead of anything in it's class, great company, (the new paint is a tech marvel also) and well worth the wait.
    OK I'm done sucking up, so please give us an update.

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    Ghawks frame delivery date : )

    Hi Ghawk!
    We would need to know the size, color and the shop you have it on order with, then we can call them and ask them if you are in 1st, 2nd etc. position to get one when they come it. Then I can give you an estimate.
    Generally, we are getting a good flow of SLs in currently, checking and assembling and shipping them NOW.
    The Brown and Gray ones are first slated to ship air to us on April 30th. +5 days for shipping + time for assembly and QC. Could be about May 10 - 15 for yours if your shop is early in the line.
    Cheers!
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    Smile

    This is all sounding very encouraging. I've had a Mojo SL (small) on order with Stif in the UK since something like October/November last year. They called me last weekend to apologise, and said they'd see what they could do... It reminded me how long I've been waiting, which is a while

    I was responsible for the thread here:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/ibis/official-mojo-sl-anticipation-thread-363904.html#post3843175

    Anyway, I'm 5'7", and probably right between a small and a medium. I ordered a small but told them that at this point in time I'd happily take a medium to get out on the trails (I rode one and it was fine). To make matters worse, I recently got paid my annual bonus, and it's really starting to burn a hole in my pocket. I've started to stare fondly at pictures of the Yeti ASR-C, but afterwards I feel dirty and have to go and wash my hands.

    I'll give the shop a call tomorrow and see if they have any news.

    - Matt

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    I find it strangely odd that I saw Scot N. at a bike festival a couple of years ago wearing a "start global cooling" t-shirt, yet all of the Ibis bikes are sourced from a far away land creating the need for intensive transportation (high amounts of pollution). There are plenty of people that make carbon frames here in the states (local) that adhere to stricter environmental standards than any Pacific rim nation. So, I guess that seeing green (money) is more important, but looking green (displaying environmental messages) is more hip.
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    I find it strangly odd that I saw Scot N. at a bike festival a couple of years ago wearing a "start global cooling" t-shirt, yet all of the Ibis bikes are sourced from a far away land creating the need for intensive transportation (high amounts of pollution). There are plenty of people that make carbon frames here in the states (local) that adhere to stricter environmental standards than any Pacific rim nation. So, I guess that seeing green (money) is more important, but looking green (displaying environmental messages) is more hip.
    Dude, you got a grudge against Asians? If Ibis were to make theirs carbon stuffs in the US, then dont complain if the bike price increase, labour in China is much cheaper then in the US and there are a lot of companies that produce their bikes overseas, Yeti, Giant, Specialized, Scott, Merida and etc. And people who says stuffs not made in the US is cheap should understand that because most of bike production nowadays is in Asia (Taiwan and some in China) the machine used to produce bicycles is either as good or better then the US.

    Sorry for the rudeness but yeah everyone wants to go green but people need money to make a living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc
    Hi Ghawk!
    We would need to know the size, color and the shop you have it on order with, then we can call them and ask them if you are in 1st, 2nd etc. position to get one when they come it. Then I can give you an estimate.
    Generally, we are getting a good flow of SLs in currently, checking and assembling and shipping them NOW.
    The Brown and Gray ones are first slated to ship air to us on April 30th. +5 days for shipping + time for assembly and QC. Could be about May 10 - 15 for yours if your shop is early in the line.
    Cheers!
    Hans

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    Quote Originally Posted by want2ridemybicycle
    I find it strangly odd that I saw Scot N. at a bike festival a couple of years ago wearing a "start global cooling" t-shirt, yet all of the Ibis bikes are sourced from a far away land creating the need for intensive transportation (high amounts of pollution). There are plenty of people that make carbon frames here in the states (local) that adhere to stricter environmental standards than any Pacific rim nation. So, I guess that seeing green (money) is more important, but looking green (displaying environmental messages) is more hip.
    You don't understand.... If Scot and Co. made the bikes in the US, they would cost significantly more money. That would require many Ibis fans to acquire a second job. This would in turn require us to drive our cars more (to our second and third jobs), increasing pollution and greenhouse gases. By making the frames overseas, we can all get by with one job, less driving, and more affordable Ibis products. See, Scot is green after all!
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