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    Vengeance and Vector owners, post your configs

    I installed a Vengeance HLR and Vector HLR air on my HD earlier this week and will be going on my first real ride tomorrow. Given the amount of adjustments, especially with the rear shock, I expect to take a bit to get everything dialed in. If you have any advice, feel free to share, and I will document my setup as time goes on.

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    Congratulations! Great choices for a great bike!

    I think settings depends on your riding style. I like deep sag, very compliant action for the many rock hits and eroded trails, and my relatively slower and cautious pace compared to young racers. So with 25% fork 35+% rear sag in seated riding position, my rebound is near middle of the knob's range, and both compression knobs are a couple or three clicks in from the fastest/softest limit. Start with the Vector's reservoir air pressure at the low limit, 180psi, with maximum volume and adjust your shock to best action.

    If you find you need firm HSC shock adjustment to prevent hard bottoming, reduce the reservoir chamber air volume and increase that air pressure, for increasing rising rate bottom bumper effect of the reservoir air adjustments. X-fusion says to lower the reserve air pressure no lower than 150psi when adjusting the volume to be able to turn the knob with the help of a small Allen tool, 180psi is the minimum ride pressure. 300psi is max I think, not sure, so better check if getting close to that. The HD has an ideal rising rate linked shock leverage for linear coil springs according to Darren Murphy owner of PUSH Industries, with an air shock the HD probably doesn't need very much bottom out support from the reserve chamber. Running the coil Vector HLR, with my deep sag preference, and running tall 27.5 inch wheels with shock travel limiting shims, I have reduced reserve chamber volume by 25% of the adjusters range and increased pressure to 225psi, which helped the ramp up bottomless feel but still lightly bottom the shimmed shorter travel sometimes landing smaller jumps.

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    Hey folks, new Vector/Vengeance air owner here and running into some trouble. I've 650b'd my HD and had previously shimmed my RP23 to limit travel and avoid potentially catastrophic seat-tube/tire impact. When I unscrewed the air can on th e Vector Air I noticed that the piston rod has a wider diameter than that of the RP23 (so my old shims won't work) and also that the shims would be sitting on a raised area unlike the wider flat surface at the top of the RP23 assembly. I tried to throw in a couple of hard rubber washers (slitting them to get them on) however when i bottomed out the shock they seem to have just slid off the rod. In any case, I think I am going to have to disassemble the shock to slide metal washers onto the rod but I am having trouble finding those instructions online. Do you guys know where I can find that stuff?

    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    I installed a Vengeance HLR and Vector HLR air on my HD earlier this week and will be going on my first real ride tomorrow. Given the amount of adjustments, especially with the rear shock, I expect to take a bit to get everything dialed in. If you have any advice, feel free to share, and I will document my setup as time goes on.
    Pictures or it didn"t happen

    Good idea for info too btw.

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    pic, 'cause it did happen



    just waiting on a white saddle to tie into the white fork...
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    Cool cheers, sweet rig dude!
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    doh, bad link - should be fixed now.

    For the Vector I'm starting with 120psi in the shock, 180 boost valve (low limit) with HSC & LSC wide open/soft and rebound 4 clicks from wide open. I find that I have to use a thin allen key to turn the rebound adjuster on the shock because my fingers can't fit in there. This gives me about 30% sag at my 210lbs (geared up).

    I can't remember now how much air I have in the fork but it's at 25% sag, with HSC/LSC 4 clicks in from open. Unfortunately spring is late to arrive in Southern Ontario so my first ride with this shock/fork will likely be a sluggish snowy adventure trying to stay in the narrow path packed down by fatbikes and hikers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    Pictures or it didn"t happen

    Good idea for info too btw.
    I'll get some on Saturday with it sitting next to the Ripley I am going to demo (and possibly buy). In addition I will update the thread with my fork and shock settings.

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    Iceman69 sent me his Vector Air settings:
    So far I have been riding this Vector air for 2 months. I go back and forth a few clicks h/lo speed compression from time to time. I weigh about 150, run 30% sag.
    12 clicks to soft from full hard HSC
    14 click to soft from full hard LSC
    180 psi in boost valve as minimum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    I'll get some on Saturday with it sitting next to the Ripley I am going to demo (and possibly buy). In addition I will update the thread with my fork and shock settings.
    sweet, look forward to seeing ya HD beside a Ripley too

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    Ok I've figured out my shock shimming issue...after trying all sorts of crap I found that a 1/2" pvc plumbing pipe did the trick. I sliced off a 4mm piece and cut a slit, then snapped it onto the piston rod (if that's what it's called). Now I've got ~3/8" seat tube clearance at full bottom out with no air in the can.
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    Hi guys, for those of you running Vengeance HLR forks, what travel are you running them at? I just picked one up and swapped out my trusty Lyrik Mission Control Coil for it. I don't have enough ride time on it to give you any worthwhile opinion, but hope to soon. Thanks.

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    I'm running a new Vengeance HLR fork @ 160mm and a Vector Air HLR w DW tune.
    Body weight - 175 w gear

    Vengeance:
    Air pressure - 70 psi
    LSC - 3/4 clicks from full open (soft)
    HSC - 2 clicks from full open
    Rebound - 1 click from fastest

    Vector:
    30-35% sag
    LSC (fire road climbing) - 7 clicks from full open
    LSC (normal) - 4 clicks from full open
    Rebound - 4 clicks from fastest

    Love this setup!!!

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    I'm now part of the xfusion vengeance/vector team.
    I just put the Vengeance on last week and have 2 rides on it. So far it's been really nice. I rode it around the neighborhood in 170mm mode, and the bike felt and handled like ****. I dropped it to 160mm and the bike came back to life for me. The added a2c over the lyrik was very noticeable for me. It's only 10mm, but by the time I got to the end of the driveway I knew I'd be dropping it.

    For the Vector, I could not get this thing to feel good for ages. I kept lowering pressure and HSC/LSC, but it always felt rough and unresponsive. I was ready to throw it out. One day I decided to give it a tiny bit of HSC, which transformed the shock into something useful. At wide open HSC, something is not working right, but give it 1/4 to 1/2 turn from wide open, and it becomes significantly more plush. It's still not as nice as my Vector RC coil, but it's still pretty damn good.

    I'll post my settings later.

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    i am back interested in this shock again as i cant seem to wrap my head around how to shim travel on ccdb air. tdotrider, any chance you could throw in some sort of a short review on HLR?
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I'm now part of the xfusion vengeance/vector team.
    I just put the Vengeance on last week and have 2 rides on it. So far it's been really nice. I rode it around the neighborhood in 170mm mode, and the bike felt and handled like ****. I dropped it to 160mm and the bike came back to life for me. The added a2c over the lyrik was very noticeable for me. It's only 10mm, but by the time I got to the end of the driveway I knew I'd be dropping it.
    I can relate to this. The extra a2c over the Lyrik and a larger front tire I can run in the Vengeance make me think about getting rid of angleset.

    I also find tuning of the HLR AIR somehow more complicated than of a Lyrik U-Turn.

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    Rider Mav
    Rider Weight - 200lbs
    Likes big airs, hard cornering and technical trails.

    Shock Vector HLR air 8.5x2.5 @ 160mm travel
    Sag - need to recheck this?
    Main shock pressure (spring rate) - was 155psi
    Now running @ 130psi to get 33% sag
    Boost Valve - 185psi to be safe
    Rebound - midway
    LSC - 2 clicks from soft
    HSC - 4 clicks from soft

    Note: Fork 160mm
    sag - 25%
    Air Spring - 100psi

    This is what Ive settled on for now, I will do more testing and experimenting to find the best settings possible for me.

    But this to date has been nothing short of phenomnal for me, so much grip at the rear, manuals so much easier than before, jumps I having to make sure I dont jump to flat, previous jumps I was hitting harder and struggling to get the distance I do now effortlessly.

    **Corners just cant describe how much better this is and for all you weight weanies and climbing freaks, it climbs amazing esspecially where I was expecting to lose ground on fire roads to the Fox, Im finding climbing much more enjoyable and easier less pressure on my back and neck and Im scooting uphill so much more efficiently its weird, it shouldnt be doing this but it is, controlled controlled controlled is how Id describe this shock.

    Ive ridden DH for years had Cane Creeks CCDB, pro tunes, but this shock looks fantastic and performs to date even better.

    Still need to prove the long term reliability test, but Im confident!



    Ps Im loving this shock its everything and more, did a wet Enduro training session today,
    fun fun fun, ride partner was not happy but I all smiles, she was unclipped
    while I was having a blast shock is so controlled and grip, I can really just ride
    and that was after 4 hrs trail building in the rain so I was pretty smacked but still loving it.
    Love my Vector thanks XF
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    Mav, 165psi? That seems super high. I am 210 riding weight and was running mine at 135psi for the same amount of sag.

    I am no longer running the vector hlr air, I have gone back to the coil version. I could never get the air to feel anywhere near as good as the coil version. I ran the air for 6 months and never once was able to clean a certain techy climb, while with the coil it was rare for me to not make it. The shock was great, but no comparison to the coil version. I'll take the 1lb weight penalty.

    The vengeance air on the other hand is performing better than I expected. It replaced a lyrik rc2dh, and I have no regrets with that. So far this is the best fork I have ever ridden.

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    Ill re confirm that when I get my digital pump this week, lbs measured my sag, I don't trust my shock pump Im sure its off by 10-15 psi

    Still feels great, I've not run a coil on the HD to compare, but Im definitely not feeling what you did, maybe the dwl tune or shim stack setup on yours was different to mine.

    I am a coil fan, esp for DH bikes but prefer air for this bike, this is my Enduro weapon and while I like to go big, I need to be able to do guiding all day up and down, I feel I have the perfect compromise for me and where I ride, it feels firm but Im also getting all my travel on both fork and shock, I had the O Ring off the shaft every ride yet never felt like I bottomed her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I'm now part of the xfusion vengeance/vector team.
    I just put the Vengeance on last week and have 2 rides on it. So far it's been really nice. I rode it around the neighborhood in 170mm mode, and the bike felt and handled like ****. I dropped it to 160mm and the bike came back to life for me. The added a2c over the lyrik was very noticeable for me. It's only 10mm, but by the time I got to the end of the driveway I knew I'd be dropping it.

    For the Vector, I could not get this thing to feel good for ages. I kept lowering pressure and HSC/LSC, but it always felt rough and unresponsive. I was ready to throw it out. One day I decided to give it a tiny bit of HSC, which transformed the shock into something useful. At wide open HSC, something is not working right, but give it 1/4 to 1/2 turn from wide open, and it becomes significantly more plush. It's still not as nice as my Vector RC coil, but it's still pretty damn good.

    I'll post my settings later.
    Any update?

    I've been running 170 since day one and have enjoyed it. I found that I can climb very step things and going down is great. I'm still learning how to tune the fork and shock for different situations (rocky stuff, park days, etc) but overall am very happy with it especially compared to my old Rockshox and Fox experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    Any update?
    Latest update is 2 responses above this one, assuming you are using the linear thread view mode.

    Bottom line, the fork is RAD, and I've gone back to the coil Vector.

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    Anyone seen this from XF






    We've been touting the performance of X-Fusion's suspension offerings for a few seasons now, with the Santa Cruz, California, based company putting out some seriously good products that, at least in our minds, rival anything else on the market. Premium suspension market in a way that not many were expecting.


    X-Fusion Revel HLR Details


    • Intended use: all-mountain/enduro
    • Travel: 140 - 160mm (650B), 120 - 140mm (29'')
    • X-Fusion HLR Damper
    • Adjustments: high/low speed, independently adjustable compression and rebound
    • Spring: 'Dual-Spring Air System'
    • 34mm stanchion tubes
    • Tapered steerer tube
    • 20mm 'LockX' thru-axle
    • Carbon stanchion guards (not shown)
    • Weight: 4.5LB (claimed)
    • MSRP: TBA


    The Secret's on the Inside


    Internally, the new Revel utilizes X-Fusion's twin-tube HLR damper that has consistently impressed us when employed in their Vengeance lineup. The design, which allows for independent tuning of the low and high-speed compression and rebound settings, means that the fork should offer the controlled stroke that we've come to expect from the HLR design, and that the onus will be on the fork's new inverted chassis. The Revel's inverted design is obviously its most

    Update my settings too btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    Latest update is 2 responses above this one, assuming you are using the linear thread view mode.

    Bottom line, the fork is RAD, and I've gone back to the coil Vector.
    Sorry I should have clarified, what settings were you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anomaly View Post
    Sorry I should have clarified, what settings were you running?
    I believe I was running 135psi, 1/2 turn from full soft from HSC, and 4-6 clicks from full soft on LSC.
    The additional air chamber was 180psi, and set to the largest volume.

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    Rider Mav
    Rider Weight - 200lbs
    Likes big airs, hard cornering and technical trails.


    Shock Vector HLR air 8.5x2.5 @ 160mm travel
    Sag - 33%
    Main shock pressure (spring rate) - Now running @ 130psi for 33% sag
    Boost Valve - 185psi to be safe
    Rebound - 1-2 clicks faster past midway, sped it up slightly
    LSC - 2 clicks from soft
    HSC - 5 clicks from soft


    Note: Fork 160mm, actually dam Fox @ 100psi it extends out to 170 (POS) cant wait to get rid of it, I, sure at lower psi setting for lighter wieght less agressive riders my pro tune will work well for me @ 100psi its ok but sucks on small bump compliance and has caused me more than a few crashes lately. But Id rather that than a divey pos fork!
    had a buyer who has sort of messed me round for awhile just going to sell it online, move that thing on, plus Im so over 15mm I can really feel the flex esspecially in corners compared to 20mm more so now at the longer travel setting!

    Loving my XF Vector though dam so impressed by the control pedalling and bike is so good in chop in the rear anyways, jumping and cornering like a demon!


    sag - 25%


    Air Spring - 100psi

    Im not feeling the Fox love right now, maybe Im using it wrong, find that hard to believe but my new digi pump has let me down re accuracy on setting something badly.

    I set my bike up for someone else to ride last week, allot lighter they are keen on an HDR and haven't been able to replicate the ride setup pre that change, I thought maybe its just me bit tired from trail building and work etc, anyway had a big training day today, got a couple hours trail work in this morning then a testing session in early arvo and DH shuttles late arvo early evening getting lighter later whohoooo!

    Anyways I put my Rockshox shock pump on both my fork and shock, shock was way out by 10psi, and 30psi in the boost and fork was 10psi out.

    That might not sound like allot but it makes a hell of a difference to me and I could feel it, but trusted that dam Fox digi pump, so now just wasted a 100bucks on that I think. Anyway my testing session and later shuttle runs were awesome, bike was back to its best, snappy fun, zippy, jumpy playful, fast and just slaying it, so stoked, as Sundays ride I was not feeling it, fork felt low up front, shock while good just didn't feel like it did earlier, so know your settings record them and if something doesn't feel right check it check it again with a second opinion, or shock pump!

    I ride allot by feel and have always had a good insight to if a bike is off or not, problem is I put too much trust in tools at times, should have defaulted to sag settings, dam it I know better.


    cheers!

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    Vengence HLR + Vector HLR

    FORK:
    Vengence HLR Air
    Travel 160mm
    Spring Rate - 80psi
    Rebound -
    LSC
    HSC

    Fork is fricken amazing, am blown away by the dampening if you want a real fork this is it, its not the lightest but its not heavy either but OMG!
    I thought the shock was good. Hands down the best damped fork Ive ever ridden/owned.

    SHOCK:
    Vector HLR Air
    Spring Rate - 125psi settled on for now
    Rebound - 5 clicks from full slow
    LSC - 2 from full soft
    HSC - 2 from full soft

    I found for me if too much HSC then in hardpack berms, smooth **** basically high speed it got a bit squirrelly in the back end, it may have been a combo of HSC and tires, my rear Ardent was getting a little worn but backing off the HSC seemed to fix it, also I had changed my front to a 2.4 Ardent EXO and UST it rear still tubed, so may not have helped.

    Overall Im stoked to be running full XFusion, lost nothing but gained massively, bike GEO now is balanced all over the mountain the fork just continues to amaze me, and I love being back on a real axle!

    Thank you XFusion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    FORK:
    Vengence HLR Air
    Travel 160mm
    Spring Rate - 80psi
    Rebound -
    LSC
    HSC

    Fork is fricken amazing, am blown away by the dampening if you want a real fork this is it, its not the lightest but its not heavy either but OMG!
    I thought the shock was good. Hands down the best damped fork Ive ever ridden/owned.

    SHOCK:
    Vector HLR Air
    Spring Rate - 125psi settled on for now
    Rebound - 5 clicks from full slow
    LSC - 2 from full soft
    HSC - 2 from full soft

    I found for me if too much HSC then in hardpack berms, smooth **** basically high speed it got a bit squirrelly in the back end, it may have been a combo of HSC and tires, my rear Ardent was getting a little worn but backing off the HSC seemed to fix it, also I had changed my front to a 2.4 Ardent EXO and UST it rear still tubed, so may not have helped.

    Overall Im stoked to be running full XFusion, lost nothing but gained massively, bike GEO now is balanced all over the mountain the fork just continues to amaze me, and I love being back on a real axle!

    Thank you XFusion!
    Yes indeed X-fusion seems to be killing it these days with great work as a suspension product! Curious do you know the weight of your Vengeance fork Mav? kinda surprised you found it heavy for an "air" fork at least. I like my Marz Rc3 ti coil fork for now but eventually I will upgrade and yes it is a pig of a fork up front. Hmmmm vengeance or Craigs Avy dampening circuits... decisions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman69 View Post
    Yes indeed X-fusion seems to be killing it these days with great work as a suspension product! Curious do you know the weight of your Vengeance fork Mav? kinda surprised you found it heavy for an "air" fork at least. I like my Marz Rc3 ti coil fork for now but eventually I will upgrade and yes it is a pig of a fork up front. Hmmmm vengeance or Craigs Avy dampening circuits... decisions
    It's pretty heavy. One of the reasons I went to Vengeance from my coil lyrik was to save weight. I did not save any weight... But the fork is awesome and am happy with the move to it.
    So, Air vengeance weight is the same as Lyrik coil. The exact numbers are posted on the xfusion website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman69 View Post
    Yes indeed X-fusion seems to be killing it these days with great work as a suspension product! Curious do you know the weight of your Vengeance fork Mav? kinda surprised you found it heavy for an "air" fork at least. I like my Marz Rc3 ti coil fork for now but eventually I will upgrade and yes it is a pig of a fork up front. Hmmmm vengeance or Craigs Avy dampening circuits... decisions

    haha, don't mis quote me, I didn't say it was heavy, if people were looking at static weights they might think that and they would def miss out.

    All off manaf websites

    Zocchi 55s no longer mentioned like Giant they don't seem to want to scare people off doh, slack.

    XF Veng 5.3lbs
    Fox 36 4.71lbs
    Fox 34 4.35lbs
    Pike 4.05lbs

    Now let me put this in perspective if you are a weight weanie reading this!

    This fork rides light, I did not notice for me a change in character of the bike, remember I have mine spaced to 160mm not 170m!

    The performance for me kills any weight saving of the others with maybe the exception of the Pike, until I can ride one back to back on the same trails! it's too hard to compare! I've done that with the Foxs!

    I have lost nothing uphill riding the HD in going up in weight on both shock and fork, in fact on the HD I feel more planted now with my setup, it was hard to keep the front wheel down sometimes, now better balance on long steep fire road climbs we have here, lost nothing in terms of strength or endurance again feels easier, I use less energy not more.

    Even on long pedally sections of single track I'm finding it easier, I can maintain flow even more and go harder with less on off energy mostly due I think to the superior dampening, also stanchion support is providing more stability in corners where I can slam some pretty hard.

    You don't really appreciate the difference until back to back, I always felt the 34 was hurting me, holding me back, now it's definitely confirmed, I won't be going back.

    Ill definitely be keeping this fork, and if 26" forks are or will slowly disappear into the mists, I'm not selling this one, in fact I think I might add a Slant at some stage and likely put name down on the new Revel, just to try out on one of my demo bikes, Pike as well when available.

    I really wanted a Venegence, I did second guess myself re the Pike, it was meant to be because XF Veng and me got it together.

    Saying that if a Metric was in stock here by now I may have been tempted to try that as its 5lbs even!

    But .3lbs but maybe test that one day in the future now I have something decent to compare!

    Metric
    The HLR damper is a twin-tube, cartridge based damper which features high and low speed, independently adjustable compression and rebound damping adjustment.
    Carbon fork guards protecting the magnesium lower legs.
    Flux Piston to minimize air spring friction while under loads.
    Neutra Valve pressure release valves to neutralize internal pressure providing the most consistent spring rate characteristics.
    Nvolve Wiper seals reducing seal drag and increasing durability.
    Single Bolt 20mm Pinch Axle.
    Optimized Crowns for 26 and 27.5 inch wheels .

    End of the day its performance and getting the most out of my frame which is important to me, now I feel I can do that.

    Fox may help people's perception into buying bikes, but the best thing Ibis could do is offer XFusion as an option imo.

    People will soon change the tune!

    Cheers!

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    XF Veng/Vector geometry!

    For me again the Vengence has altered the geo slightly, its a bit slacker and longer, more noticeable in corners but again in a good way.

    Here I wouldn't need an Angle-set though I felt I never needed one anyway, I feel thats more of an issue with poor dampening, always have, I used to ride fully rigid bikes on steeper stuff than we have now! I ride some steep **** and come from DH bikes, I like slack and low, but I also ride all day up and down.

    If the dampening is what it should be and the bike is setup correctly then proper dynamic geo should be maintained and the rest is really down to rider skill set, maybe apart from a bike park but you shouldn't need a crutch with the above.

    A common mistake is people think we all ride alike, here you have to know and be honest with yourself, if you aren't pushing it, then maybe a more linear softer or plusher set up is better. It's always a compromise on any level.

    If you ride and push your limits then a progressive but still well damped setup is better imo, I'm no pro but this is what I've always looked for in shocks and forks, I'm a bigger guy I still ride hard enough but I consider I have a smooth style I don't bash into ****, I've never liked the term roll over Its the most over used and over hyped term coming out of the industry right now, I use timing and rhythm as much as possible, but my needs are different to someone 75kg for example.

    This fork is soft off the top, I'm running 15psi lower than the Fox as my base setting and I think I can go even lower than 80psi and still ride high in travel be soft off the top which it already is, yet ramp up on big hits the way I like, I haven't even explored my HSC or LSC yet, just having way to much fun doing nose landings because its so smooth and stable!

    Cheers Mav.

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    Dam this fork keeps impressing me, I dropped to 75psi, now 70 psi

    I took a group tour to a pretty sick location Friday, techy, steep in places volcanic rocky and off camber, stunning place 25mins out of RotoVegas this is a place with some steep chutes and good G outs you bottom into, then drop into 6-7mins of DH trail bike flow, cork screw berms, hits, hips, walls, jumps so good test and front and rear suspension and tires!

    The fork ride height just does not alter so far on my XF Vengence, amazing! 25 psi less than what I started with.

    Still have not touched the LSC or HSC and ride height has not altered, yet its buttery smooth and gets traction where I'd been down or OTB "d by my Flox Float 34, no flex either.

    So smooth!

    What ever XF have brewing over they're keep on this track I doubt even the Pike can match this especially after reading a review on VitalMtb for the harder hitting stuff, no such issue on the Vengence and his thoughts have concurred with mine about lack of 20mm option, love being back on a 20mm similar weight to that tester, I think he had to run 105psi in the Pike!

    LSC HSC should be for minor tuning requirements not a crutch for poor dampers which most of us have suffered with for years, after discussing this with a long time top NZ DH, XC now Enduro rider over a problem NZL62 had with his 55 I concur and have been saying this for years.

    Ive yet to even touch mine yet on the Veng!

    btw nice riding yesterday NZL62 you nailed it at Rainbow MTN, glad we got that 55 running well again and those higher rise bars def helped too huh




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    What could be improved!

    Tuning information, both shock and fork manual really lacking, nothing on the bottom out control other than minimum psi setting, no arrow re direction on shock as to more or less bottom out control.

    Fork, no directional arrows re LSC or HSC!

    Mine didn't come with a O ring to measure sag and it would be great if followed a similar lead like RS do with gradients on the stanchions.

    Be nice if XFusion had some rider information on there website, ya have Brian Lopes riding for you, many companies seem to have paid pros yet don't share that setup information, regardless if we are good enough or not its helpful as a base tune most can atleast go softer from they're!

    Minor stuff but just as important as the rest I reckon!
    All companies do this really poorly be interesting to see how DVO develops this side of things.

    Not a major for me but certainly would be helpful and quicker to get the ride right, that said has been one of the easier setups Ive tuned in.

    Cheers!

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    Bit more time on both setups, shock Ive not had to do much for me its set and forget, it pedals amazingly, it does everything else I want it to so much so I think Im just spoilt, for me, how I ride, what I want in dampening characteristics the shock performs fantastic, just have to see how it goes over the long term, no reason to doubt it.

    It kills the Fox RP and any Fox shock Ive ridden to date, including coil, but you all new that anyway and thats not that hard really.

    Its relatively easy to setup, set sag, adjust rebound to where you like it, I cant seem to run the fast rebounds others do, maybe Im a muppet rider after all, but I think on my terrain the grades I like you'd be OTB and over a cliff before you knew it, I have no packing up issues and constantly am amazed at the traction where they're is none, on the rear I run a pretty small tread pattern compared to most, people often try to compare to me, then I point out yeah you're riding HR2s or Minions or something chunky DH tire, Im on a half worn Icon 2.2 on vertical rooty off camber chutes that will push your balls back into to your throat, you were saying lol.

    Fork, I dropped my bike in the other day to the Lbs to have new Fox igus bushings installed as I stupidly used my old ones from the Fox shock at the time they seemed taught but did not last long, I have new DUs from XF but just liked the new type anyway, so some customer mupptard has played with my settings just to screw with me, as my fork went in like a dream never ridden anything so good to um somethings not feeling quite right, still better than the Fox, but not as good, so took me a whole ride to find that rebound setting again. Don't sit on or play with someones else bike at the LBS, so not cool, thats what all the new stuff is for, look don't touch or fook with it.

    Ive set the LSC too clicks from full soft, if you have the bike upside down thats turned away from the wheel, soft is towards the wheel in that position, same with HSC, I reset the spring rate at 70psi for my 200lbs. Fork feels sweet again.

    Now for all you newbies to XF or not so new, heres some links you may or may not have found to help you dial in your shock and fork, be nice if they're was a bit more info like which is soft hard slow and fast on the compression side, they did that for rebound forgot the compression!
    Not hard to figure, but come on eats the ride time.

    Also this is the first fork and shock "EVA" Ive gone down in spring rate compared to rec settings or even to get the feel of both to ride at the proper sag yet remain up in they're stroke, this is obviously due to a superior damper design from XF and tune and I will stand by that as they're is not much I haven't ridden or raced in the last 20years from everyone except BOS, I was hoping to try out NZl62s but he left it at home. Ive never ever left a fork especially a DH fork stock as im very picky about setup and feel, I know straight away when something is off weak or ****e, I may not know what it is but have always been a feel rider, I don't do graphs.

    Note: Both XF shock Vector and Vengence are very sensitive to adjustment, each turn makes a big difference unlike Fox or RS, Zocchi, I'm talking significant, one click of HSC or RB is quite allot maybe 3-4 turns of the rest possibly more especially on the compression, so be careful, do not start off with same settings as those brands, start with the base that XF provide and what others have suggested here they're are pretty close on spring rate, rebound and H/LSC is personal and dependant on your ride location. Im not as Xtreme as the others on any of those settings but SR is pretty close especially on the shock, normally on a Fox fork I would be 15-20psi higher than most yet here on XF Im probably lower, weird.

    Enjoy the awesomeness of XF!

    ps
    I would so love to test and ride a Metric I think for riders like me it will be possibly the biggest sleeper fork on the market if you can ever get one!

    SHOCK - Vector

    FORK - Vengence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    What could be improved!

    Tuning information, both shock and fork manual really lacking, nothing on the bottom out control other than minimum psi setting, no arrow re direction on shock as to more or less bottom out control.

    Fork, no directional arrows re LSC or HSC!

    Mine didn't come with a O ring to measure sag and it would be great if followed a similar lead like RS do with gradients on the stanchions.

    Be nice if XFusion had some rider information on there website, ya have Brian Lopes riding for you, many companies seem to have paid pros yet don't share that setup information, regardless if we are good enough or not its helpful as a base tune most can atleast go softer from they're!

    Minor stuff but just as important as the rest I reckon!
    All companies do this really poorly be interesting to see how DVO develops this side of things.

    Not a major for me but certainly would be helpful and quicker to get the ride right, that said has been one of the easier setups Ive tuned in.

    Cheers!
    Totally agreed. When I got my Vector and Vengeance at the beginning of the year there was basically no info on what to do and talking with the guys (as I was a bike shop employee at the time) didn't yield much either. The info isn't much better these days, sadly.

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    VECTOR HLR AIR Mini review!

    So after being on the Vector for awhile here are some thoughts!

    Current settings.

    -Main Chamber air pressure or Spring Rate - 125psi
    -Bottom out chamber 185psi
    -Bottom Out Adjustment - Half turn from fully open or no bottom out control.
    -HSC 10 clicks from full soft
    -LSC 3 clicks from full soft
    -Rebound 6 clicks from full slow

    For me this shock is such an upgrade over the Fox its no contest in any department, it pedals great, I don't need to change the LSC for climbing or riding fire roads, though if that is your thing it really does turn it into a hardtail with a few clicks of LSC, unlike the Fox I just don't need it, when you want plush it does that too without having to readjust it to dh mode for comparison, for me set and forget, just how I like it.


    So after the seals had broken in and a bit of time on the shock, I felt a little bit of wallow on hardpack berms only, mid-stroke support was always pretty good with no bottom out adj or too much HSC.


    But I wanted to experiment and see if I could make it better, the HD does not need bottom out control in my opinion but this can be misleading, especially if your shock is ****e.


    I wanted to dial out that slight wallow, upping the HSC in combination with half a turn (3 full turns available on BOC btw) so its still a bit in reality. This has dialled in the shock to another level, what minor wallow was they're on hardpack was is gone, beware I am very sensitive to setup so others may not experience this, I'm also 200lbs of kiwi prime beef and push hard in corners so this all has an affect, I never noticed this on jumps or on steep super techy single track, I did notice I was close to pedal strikes, but not now with my updated settings.

    Bike is still light, rides light, accelerates like a cut cat and carries speed way better than before, hammer the pedals and it will jump forward in any situation. I don't feel Ive lost anything for Enduro, but have gained allot especially when getting tired, you can relax and let the bike do the work, on the Fox for example mistakes could be costly when tired.


    The shock tracks amazingly, is very controlled on everything from G Outs to landing off drops and jumps, its DH stable, pro level not like your std DH suspension, I get no bouncing or offline redirections, you land and pedal off, no other trail bike setup Ive ridden has provided this to such a level in a 160 or less package, you can just push into the next feature not worrying about the bike or line. Grip is amazing, I just trust this shock to handle anything that comes my way, roots off camber, rocks.


    It pumps so well, pops when you want it to, I have never felt it bottom out yet and travel feels bottomless, for me the harder you ride it the better it is.

    If you are a cruiser you could set it up soft but I doubt it would be considered super plush like a coil or Zocchi Roco air, it is plush say compared to the Fox but it is firm where or needs to be unlike any other air shock Ive ridden, Ive owned CCDBc but not air, Ive had a short ride on a CCDBa non CS I liked it for what its worth, but not enough time to compare.

    It remains controlled, people often want plush but a properly damped shock will provide traction and control through out its stroke, imo this is what people need not plush which is misleading especially if you want performance across the range, if you plow along plush will be fine but in my experience these dampers have little support beyond that so they compromise the rest of what the damper is meant to do.


    People often pick up my bike and go wow thats stiff, but Ive had others go for a short ride and come back and go wow its so smooth and controlled they don't say plush, to me this is how suspension should be, plush today is misleading.

    Overall very stoked with this shock, it looks amazing, its different well made, simple and quality.

    The rebound access is a pain as is lack of info from XF and they seem very poor re CS response, Ive not had a product issue, just wanted information.

    Ive never had an email reply to date, not surprising being in NZed we experience this all the time, that said, Ibis have always come back to me very quickly and been very helpful, why I choose to support them and wait for my HD.

    I do have trust in XF products so its a minor gripe but Id like to see them improve, they seem slow to market, yet quick to show new product.

    Vector ticks all the boxes for me and then some, hope long term it continues, no reason to doubt that.


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    Vengence 160 HLR Air update

    Fork is well and truly broken in seals etc.

    Main Air Spring Rate - 70psi, might try 65 yet.
    Rebound - 7 clicks from full fast
    LSC 6 clicks from full soft or zero lsc
    HSC 10 clicks from soft

    This is where Ive settled for now, rides nice and high very controlled, smooth, one of the smoothest forks Ive ever had the joy to ride, super controlled, a few sections Ive struggled with in 36s, the 34 esspecially, a series of drops into a rooty corner on my trail I just nailed easily over the weekend, sliced through it like on rails, loving this fork, everything is quality, only minor thing the Syntace axle could be lighter I reckon seems overly built and heavy but works well, tracks really well point it where you want it and the HD goes theyre no fuss, like the shock the harder you ride it the better.

    A secret local trail which is littered with off camber roots big uns etc and not ridden much mores the pity requires committment and good flow, you can try to ride slow but will get caught momentum is your freind on this trail and the Vengence rewards you if you let rip, on the 34 if I rode the same way Id lose my line for the next section, not with the Veng, this trail has a few surprises as well odd drop to steep chute, a massive drop DH worthy, a nasty gap not big but tricky entry and exit and a bottomless hole Vengeance worthy.

    With the Veng just grip it and rip it, just smiles for miles all I can say love it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    So after being on the Vector for awhile here are some thoughts!

    Current settings.

    -Main Chamber air pressure or Spring Rate - 125psi
    -Bottom out chamber 185psi
    -Bottom Out Adjustment - Half turn from fully open or no bottom out control.
    -HSC 10 clicks from full soft
    -LSC 3 clicks from full soft
    -Rebound 6 clicks from full slow
    On the HSC, about how many turns is that? Mine doesn't click very well, so I judge it by turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    On the HSC, about how many turns is that? Mine doesn't click very well, so I judge it by turns.
    its about midway, either side of soft or hard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post

    Main Air Spring Rate - 70psi, might try 65 yet.
    Rebound - 7 clicks from full fastvimeo.com/47542128
    LSC 6 clicks from full soft or zero lsc
    HSC 10 clicks from soft

    T:
    You went from zero hsc/lsc to 10/6 clicks! That is a really big jump. What made you decide to do that? Did you significantly lower the air pressure/spring rate? What weight oil are you running in the damper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmarshack View Post
    You went from zero hsc/lsc to 10/6 clicks! That is a really big jump. What made you decide to do that? Did you significantly lower the air pressure/spring rate? What weight oil are you running in the damper?
    One the fork has run in seals etc while super smooth out of the box felt like it even more responsive.

    I had actually gone in between those settings a few rides back just
    as a test to see how it felt, i like to find the limit on either side.

    I found some other info from others that ran the HLR compression right in the middle of the range.

    It gets a bit noiser with more compression just oil being pumped through the pistons.

    Fluid is stock weight @ 7.5, no need to go up or down, maybe oil height check is a good thing 20cc in each leg, I might do an oil change soon.
    Just to check every thing out.

    This thing has not leaked and is a very clean fork in that regard, so smooth!

    I will see how they go for a bit, may or may not drop back a tad.

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    Hi Peeps

    Had two rides on the XF Vengeance HLR so too early to tell whats what and I have been working on rear shock issues that have kinda taken my focus off what the fork is doing - which in itself is prob a good thing! I mean if I'm not noticing the forks that much they are prob doing their job. As far as settings. I have about 4 clicks on of LC and 6 of HS. Reb is 8 clicks from slow - so basically running the recommended base setting. In terms of air pressure - I have not got a clue. Here in lies my only issue thus far - XF shock pump is so out of whack it isn'y funny (not limited to XF either as RS one is obviously not accurate at low pressures) Recommended pressure for me is 80psi. If I use XF shock pump then the fork is absolutely rigid ie zero sag! Fortunately I have a Marzocche low pressure (0-100psi) and that is much easier to use and according to that I am running 70
    Have ordered the Fox digital pump and will scrap all the others

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    You had a crack @ jumping yet?

    or is that shock still buggered! Prob the reason the shock is **** again is the fork is that good!

    Ditch the Roco when the Vector is back in stock dude.

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    I am so hacked off with the Roco shock or specifically that I haven't been able to have it serviced and returned approximately to where it was from Bikeco. To cont with the Roco I feel will be good money after bad. I may well keep it as its the unit Bikeco use to get a bit more travel out of an HDR. Got a reasonable price on the Vector Air, 699kiwi stock. DW tune extra but I am very rapidly coming to the conclusion that these DW specific shock tunes are bollocks on the HDR. As you know Mav, the Roco never hits full travel no matter what I do and I believe part of the issue is this DW assumption and with 2 years on my HD I have never really felt it blew through travel on anything other than the RP23

    As for Fork, I will say it is still running in. But right now the only area where it betters my BOS Devilles is stiffness - however I can feel the sweet spot coming. But over the last three weeks the best ride I have had on my HD has been with BOS up front and borrowed FOX Rp23 out back. That combo gave me good all over the hill performance esp when it came to climbing. On the rough descent the RP23 was all at sea and I really hate that there is only one or two clicks of useable rebound tuning range.
    Tonights ride was crap because the Roco is utterly terrible. Got a fairly detailed response from Bike Co saying to send it back to them and that very few people get them right. That maybe sales bollocks or whatever but it simply isn't economical for me right now considering what I have spend on shock service and "Pro-****ing-Tune" so far. So I will try to get a demo shock out of importers even if its on a "I-will-buy-it-if-it-isn't-complete crap" returns basis. I an ideal world I would have a viable choice between the CCDBA and Vector Air but as you have so wisely pointed out - Importers for XF are in town here so part of the tune/support/service issue is dealt with easier. Cane Creek in NZ? No fecking idea so right back in same tuning /service/ tune bull**** feedback loop

    Rant over. Just so disappointed in what has happened with my Roco (which I really liked when I got it BTW- although never used full travel) and really not enjoying my bike as a result - and that sucks big time.

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    Update.
    Vector air ordered. After extensive chat re DW tune I concluded that that was the way to go. I was seriously considering running it stock but since the guys would charge me the same to tune it after 2-3 rides as they are from brand new I figured go the recommended.
    Light compression curve through out apparently

    Vengeance. Last night was first ride where they started to feel good.
    Pressure is 70psi on my Marzocchi low p pump and 4 -6 clicks from open on ls comp and 4-6 clicks on from full open on hs comp.
    Rebound 8-10 clicks from full open. 40mm sag at stantion at the moment.
    Observation : my sag was set up with the HS and LS comp settings as above. This was a mistake I think because the low speed seems to affect setting sag to a greater degree on the Vengeance than others forks I have experienced.
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    Good call on Shock

    Now so you don't get a false reading on that too and rush into things!

    Regardless of brand or type of shock/fork

    Always set sag first before any other adjustment.

    2nd rebound
    3rd compression settings

    When you make adjustments to sag after all other settings have been dialled in you need to go back to base and start all over again, if you want your suspension to work optimially.

    Theyre are no short cuts, dont get fixated on the shiny dials and play with them first people!

    Why I like my first rides on anything new by myself, take the time to dial it in.

    Enjoy 62, hopefully after this rigermarole you can just ride the crap out of your HD and enjoy it.

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    Wahoo

    shock fitted.


    Booo

    stuff all time to ride until 20th Dec

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62 View Post
    Wahoo

    shock fitted.


    Booo

    stuff all time to ride until 20th Dec
    Congrats, now show piccs

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    Got two runs on a track I know well. Its about 4 and half mins long.
    First ride I didn't get the sag quite right so it was about 17mm or about 26%.
    Rebound about about 8 clicks from slow
    Felt ok.
    Second ride reduced pressure to give 21mm sag or about 33%
    Better but I will need a bit of low speed

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    I could be closing in on the best balance I have ever had on My HD.
    All thanks to Maverick and X Fusion. If it does end up that way it will leave only on question in my mind....

    Why isn't the vector air/vengeance part of a standard Ibis build?

    So far I can say that even in my early tuning stage that the Vengeance is better than my Marzocchi 55RC3 ti and my RS Lyrik and the Fox 36's I have ridden. Damping wise it is on a par with the BOS Deville but exceeds Bos on stiffness and as a result steering precision probably.

    Vector Air HLR is better than the RP23 by far, better than the RS Vivid R2C coil, better than Pushed MX tuned Fox Van and better than my now poorly tuned but mostly great Roco TST Air. The Roco has the beguiling small bump sensitivity.

    Vector Air is allowing me to beat PB's on virtually all climbs and getting very close to PB on descents after only 2 rides on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by nzl62 View Post
    I could be closing in on the best balance I have ever had on My HD.
    All thanks to Maverick and X Fusion. If it does end up that way it will leave only on question in my mind....

    Why isn't the vector air/vengeance part of a standard Ibis build?

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