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    Something new from Ibis next week?

    Just saw this tweet:

    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>RT <a href="https://twitter.com/fatcyclist">@fatcyclist</a>: I’m having an amazing conversation with <a href="https://twitter.com/chuck_i">@chuck_i</a> right now. Next week you’ll learn what it’s about. I promise though: Wow.</p>&mdash; Ibis Cycles (@IbisCycles) <a href="https://twitter.com/IbisCycles/statuses/405347483355987968">November 26, 2013</a></blockquote>
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    I'd put my money on the Tranny 29

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    Dont tell me its a Fat bike...or a Tranny 29r..that would take valuable resources away from a truly needed bike. A 150mm ripley HD..

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    Dont tell me its a Fat bike...or a Tranny 29r..that would take valuable resources away from a truly needed bike. A 150mm ripley HD..
    My money would be on it being either a LT Ripley, or a Tranny 29er. More likely the latter, I think.

    Mind you, Ibis wouldn't be the first niche manufacturer to go fat:


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    my guess would be not a new product launch, but some kind of fundraiser for fatcyclist

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    Quote Originally Posted by wlhighlight View Post
    my guess would be not a new product launch, but some kind of fundraiser for fatcyclist
    I'm sure I read an interview with Scot Nicol where he said there would be multiple product launches this year. 31 Dec getting close...

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    I hope a new evolution of mojo, with the ripley technology whit 27,5 wheels..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullmonti View Post
    I hope a new evolution of mojo, with the ripley technology whit 27,5 wheels..
    Given they've not long launched the Mojo HDR, I'd be a bit dubious about that.

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    I would also bet on the Tranny 29..

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    My guess/hope: releasing a new bike AND shipping immediately AND raffling one off to benefit FatCyclists' "give cancer the beeyotch slap!" thang.

    And yes, I agree that it'll be a tranny 29 or some short travel 27.5 eccentric pivot hotness.

    (Edit: My thinking on the short travel 27.5 is this: they released the HDR recently b/c it was a relatively easy change to make, and gives the HD a couple more years' legs in the marketplace. The SL-R is a wee bit dated, and my guess not selling nearly as well as the HDR or Ripley. Hopefully the extensive R&D they did on the Ripley gave them a good handle on that technology, and simplify its application to another model. The SL/SL-R platform allows for good 27.5 experimentation, accelerating the mule/kinematics/geo testing. The 5010 seems to be selling pretty damn well, and showing there's a hunger for this sort of bike in the marketplace. Finally, trailbikes have been Ibis' core business since they relaunched, and a new weapon in their arsenal would just refresh that aspect of the brand. Plus I bloody well want one.)
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    I am with budgie. A 150-160mm eccentric pivot 650b trail bike with uber short CSs would be awesome.

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    Ripley HD, a fatbike, DH-specific, who knows?

    Can't wait for next week! ;D

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    Don't tell me an updated hdr 650b with 160 of travel? Cuz I just bought a new hdr

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    I doubt they're releasing any kind of new bike, prove me wrong, but I think everyones internet pipe dreamin

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    Nah, its just a new Ibis cycling jersey. Loose fit for off road. That's all..

    Long overdue

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    Lets hope it's the new rear triangle for the HD!

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    Fat tranny! Wait, wrong thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjm_2000 View Post
    Lets hope it's the new rear triangle for the HD!
    forgot about this, good call

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbeintobago View Post
    Given they've not long launched the Mojo HDR, I'd be a bit dubious about that.
    Maybe a Mojo HDR LT HD - 27.5" wheels + 155mm travel + clearance for a big 2.4" tire?
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    I know its not, but PLEASE make a DH bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjm_2000 View Post
    Lets hope it's the new rear triangle for the HD!
    Fatbike rear triangle for the Tranny?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody View Post
    but I think everyones internet pipe dreamin
    wait, isn't that MTBR's sole purpose?
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    Um...I sure hope it's not a 650 Ibis as I have a 29er Ibis on order from Competitive Cyclist. Talk about bad timing - not that a 29er isn't cool and all; but a LT Ripley sporting 650B and short CS may make the perfect AM bike, vs. the more XC/AM oriented current Ripley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcam View Post
    Nah, its just a new Ibis cycling jersey. Loose fit for off road. That's all..

    Long overdue
    the current ibis jersey is so loose that you could fit two or three people in a large.

    and im 200lbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorin_2 View Post
    LT Ripley sporting 650B
    Thick question - what would the difference between this and a Mojo HDR be?

    Edit - have just clocked the HDR is 130mm in 650B mode
    Last edited by ratherbeintobago; 11-27-2013 at 12:30 PM.

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    A more XC/Race inspired 27.5 with the Ripley-style links and frame so it can fit a water bottle. Super light as well. It could be the Rip-Rippity SL-R 275.

    100 or 120mm would be fine.
    Wow, GJ, Fruita, and Moab trails are riding great. This is a killer spring for riding!

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    Lingua d'origine

    Lingua desiderata
    Se si guarda quello che presentano le altre aziende, soprattutto quelle di nicchia come Ibis, ovvero, 650b, come è possibile che le mojo e non solo la HD non vengano sostituite/aggiornate? E, ripeto, con tutto quello che hanno speso in termini di tempo e progettazione con la Ripley, credo che la direzione sarà quella..ripley/mojo 650b long travel
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    If you watch what have other companies, especially those of niche as an Ibis, namely, 650b, how is it that mojo is not only the HD are not replaced/updated? And, I repeat, with all that they have spent in terms of time and design with the Ripley, I believe that the direction will be the one..ripley/mojo 650b long travel, I think, I hope!!

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    Nothing of the sorts IMO... My prediction, based on a previous thread, is a new casual-fit Ibis riding jersey.

    Just my AUD0.02.


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    There is no Ibis jersey on the site now

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    (to borrow from S1E1, opening sequence of the News Room)

    Quote Originally Posted by mcam View Post
    There is no Ibis jersey on the site now
    "Theres not……"

    IBIS riding t-shirts

    But there could be….

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    Quote Originally Posted by redmr2_man View Post
    the current ibis jersey is so loose that you could fit two or three people in a large.

    and im 200lbs!
    Is it? Damn.... I was going to purchase one, but I was told they were small fitting... I normally ride in a 2xl Endura Hummvee jersey. I asked Ibis what the armpit to armpit measurement was of one of their jerseys, but they wouldn't tell me Being in New Zealand, I didn't want to risk buying it to find it didn't fit

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    Tranny + fat = Transfat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    Tranny + fat = Transfat.
    Actually, new Tranny with 29er or fat rear triangles might be an interesting idea.

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    I'm praying for a 140-145 Ripley HD with longer top tubes and relatively short chainstays

    Or a DH bike....

    I'm so sick of fat bikes....

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    Really can't see it being a DH bike, unless Ibis are planning a DH race programme. This would seem unlikely as I don't think they've got the resources to compete with the big boys, and brands like Orange have discontinued their DH bikes as they just aren't selling without a race programme to advertise the bikes.

    HD Ripley more likely.

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    Would love a 155 travel 650 bike with relatively short CS, but I can't see them making that change so soon. I would be the first at the shop with my deposit though!

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    A 140mm travel Mojo HD140 26" bike maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    A 140mm travel Mojo HD140 26" bike maybe?
    The same as the current Mojo HD140 26" or a different one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcam View Post
    Is it? Damn.... I was going to purchase one, but I was told they were small fitting... I normally ride in a 2xl Endura Hummvee jersey. I asked Ibis what the armpit to armpit measurement was of one of their jerseys, but they wouldn't tell me Being in New Zealand, I didn't want to risk buying it to find it didn't fit
    XL's pop up on ebay from time to time for like ten dollars.

    I believe I own a large. I could fit another person in my jersey, seriously. It's massive. Like a parachute on windy rides.

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    Something new from Ibis next week?

    I hope it's gonna be a rival for this:

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    Check it out:

    Ibis Demo Tour | Buy/Try | Ibis Cycles US

    "Something new?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Check it out:

    Ibis Demo Tour | Buy/Try | Ibis Cycles US

    "Something new?"

    Very exciting. I can't wait for the HDR LT - 650B wheels - 150mm DW Link goodness and clearance for big tires. FTW!
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    160 would be even sweeter! The more I think about it, the more a 160 275 bike makes sense. From what I have seen the HD outsells every other bike them make by a wide margin. Although the HDR has been selling I have a feeling that a lot of people (like me) were disappointed in the 275 130 travel mode and the Mach 6 is going to take a big chunk of sales away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    160 would be even sweeter! The more I think about it, the more a 160 275 bike makes sense. From what I have seen the HD outsells every other bike them make by a wide margin. Although the HDR has been selling I have a feeling that a lot of people (like me) were disappointed in the 275 130 travel mode and the Mach 6 is going to take a big chunk of sales away.
    Unfortunately Ibis doesn't usually move that fast so I can only hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Check it out:

    Ibis Demo Tour | Buy/Try | Ibis Cycles US

    "Something new?"

    It's definitely not a jersey, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    160 would be even sweeter! The more I think about it, the more a 160 275 bike makes sense. From what I have seen the HD outsells every other bike them make by a wide margin. Although the HDR has been selling I have a feeling that a lot of people (like me) were disappointed in the 275 130 travel mode and the Mach 6 is going to take a big chunk of sales away.
    +1 - If it was a 160mm 27.5 bike with clearance for a 2.4" Conti Trail King in the rear and BB that's at least 13.6" high I'll walk into my LBS and throw down a deposit the next day.

    I think you are bang on about the Mach 6 and the other longer travel 650B bikes that are out or about to be out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    Check it out:

    Ibis Demo Tour | Buy/Try | Ibis Cycles US

    "Something new?"

    That implies that the HDR 160 won't be on the demo menu next year... Is 650b gaining hold so quickly that the once all-conquering Mojo HD platform is not even going on the demo tour any more? If the 26" market is shrinking that quickly, then Ibis should definitely move fast on getting a longer travel 27.5 AM bike in production...although personally I'd be perfectly satisfied with a HDR 130.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    That implies that the HDR 160 won't be on the demo menu next year... Is 650b gaining hold so quickly that the once all-conquering Mojo HD platform is not even going on the demo tour any more? If the 26" market is shrinking that quickly, then Ibis should definitely move fast on getting a longer travel 27.5 AM bike in production...although personally I'd be perfectly satisfied with a HDR 130.
    I was talking to someone from ibis a few weeks ago about Derby rims and said "I wished there was a 26" version", to which his reply was that 26" is basically dead. Nobody in the industry is doing much in the way of developing for 26" wheeled bikes. 27.5 is all the hype consumers want, so that's what they'll get.

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    Some industry folks commenting on the 26er is dead question:

    650b Mountain Bikes and the Death of 26" - YouTube
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    I agree with you on the 26 vs 275 thing. Not seeing much of a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Some industry folks commenting on the 26er is dead question:

    650b Mountain Bikes and the Death of 26" - YouTube
    Oh good, 29er is dead too, according to giant.
    Guess I can skip on getting a ripley.

    The big debate should really be "do we call it 650 or 27.5?" 650 is easier to say, so it gets my vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    The big debate should really be "do we call it 650 or 27.5?" 650 is easier to say, so it gets my vote.
    Norco had it right with Killer Bee.
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    Since when does Giant dictate what wheel size will or will not be the "one"? Sorry if this offends but I think of Giant as only a step up from Walmart bikes - mass produced in Asia, they copy everyone else's innovations, they are reactive rather than visionary (just a few months ago they were on the 29er bandwagon), and ugly to boot. The way I see it is 650b replacing 26ers for AM/Enduro/Down, while 29ers continue to satisfy XC and Trail/AM riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorin_2 View Post
    Since when does Giant dictate what wheel size will or will not be the "one"? Sorry if this offends but I think of Giant as only a step up from Walmart bikes - mass produced in Asia, they copy everyone else's innovations, they are reactive rather than visionary (just a few months ago they were on the 29er bandwagon), and ugly to boot. The way I see it is 650b replacing 26ers for AM/Enduro/Down, while 29ers continue to satisfy XC and Trail/AM riders.
    +1 - Giant has an opinion. Nothing wrong with that and personally I have no issue with their bikes even if I'm not likely to buy one.

    Giant is value brand. One way to keep costs down is to focus on one wheel size. Their position isn't surprising to me.

    It's not like the rest of the bike industry will suddenly kill their 29ers to follow them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    +1 - Giant has an opinion...
    It's not like the rest of the bike industry will suddenly kill their 29ers to follow them.
    I know the Giant guys pretty well. They have no plans to stop making and producing 29ers--that it's all going 27.5 comment has been repeated a lot, but it was one guy at Giant who said that, it's not the company position. And even he has replied and said he was misquoted.

    29ers and 27.5 will play nicely together. I've been riding the cr*p out of both a Ripley and a HDR 27.5 and they are both awesome.

    I wonder if we'll see a new shock linkage for the HDR, it says on their webpage that they are working on it.

    "We are currently working on an Ibis approved shock spec for those wishing to run their HDR in longer travel 650b mode. We will update as info becomes available."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    Even though Giant/Trek/whoever has forced everyone over to 27.5 almost overnight and I'm not happy about that (there needs to be more testing of frame design and some of these were definitely rushed to market to fracture the MTB market even more), it's here to stay. So yes, I hope for a true 160mm 27.5.
    What exactly are you talking about? What frames were rushed to the market? What do you mean by "more testing of frame design is needed"? Is not the quite phenomenal success of bikes like Bronson and Mach 6 a proof that these bikes work for many riders quite well, many of these "frames designs needing more testing" being touted as the best trail bikes ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaj View Post
    I know the Giant guys pretty well. They have no plans to stop making and producing 29ers--they it's all going 27.5 comment has been repeated a lot, but it was one guy at Giant who said that, it's not the company position. And even he has replied and said he was misquoted.
    Thanks for the clarification. That seemed like a bold move.
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    As to the "what do we call it" question, I don't know why people aren't calling it by what it is. It's 27er. It's not 27.5, right? And no one knows what 650 really means anyway and that's not how mtn bikers report their wheel size (bringing my 700s to the race!) ... so let's just call it 27er. It's easy, and it's more indicative of where the wheel falls in the lineup... a LITTLE bit bigger than 26er, far from 29er.

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    I think the industry learned a lot from the rollout of 29. Those first bikes were a disaster for most riders that wanted to do anything but ride fire roads in a straight line. The geometry on the new 275 bikes seems to be pretty spot on out of the box. I rode a Mach 6 the other day for about an hour and it rips. Problem is that there is not much of a difference from the HD except that the reach is longer which I really liked. As for the wheel size, meh. I didn't really find a difference for my type of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    As for the wheel size, meh. I didn't really find a difference for my type of riding.
    I think that's one of the drivers behind 27.5--26" guys like 27.5 just fine, and there is no big reason to switch if you are happy with your current ride. when the 26" guy gets their next bike though, they won't care either way
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    I guess this is what a quantum shift feels like...

    Not that I'm personally bummed about the rise of 650b... I like it better than 26 almost everywhere. But, marketeers gotta market, and there's definitely some hype going 'round. I feel bad for you guys who love, ride, and never want to change from 26".... and I WOULD buy ONE Derby 26" eventually to run on the rear when the mood / conditions strike. Hopefully we'll continue to see good availability of all the existing product for a while at least, even if there's not going to be much new stuff coming out...
    Maybe I should stock up on 26" Flows! haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Maybe I should stock up on 26" Flows! haha
    As an industry guy, I can guarantee you will have good supply of 26" stuff for the next 10 years + . Maybe not every option, but 26 is still 90% of the bikes on the trail and about 1/3 or more of the bikes being sold this year. Even with that I sell A LOT more rear wheels and tires to 4 year old bikes than 1 year old bikes. At 2 of my 3 shops I sell way more 26" tires than 29er tires, even though I'm selling more 29er bikes the past 2 years.
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    ...it's true. Sad, but true.

    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug View Post
    I was talking to someone from ibis a few weeks ago about Derby rims and said "I wished there was a 26" version", to which his reply was that 26" is basically dead. Nobody in the industry is doing much in the way of developing for 26" wheeled bikes. 27.5 is all the hype consumers want, so that's what they'll get.
    ...I hate to be the bearer of crap news, but this is the reality. I've spoken to numerous dealer friends and customers are coming in asking about 27.5. Even 29ers have fallen off dramatically. Nobody is walking in asking about 26" bikes unless they're looking to buy a DH rig. In the states at least.

    Say what you will about whether this is good/bad/dumb etc, these are the facts on the ground as they say. I totally agree that this is largely due to marketing, but so is most of what sells practically anything in our world. None of us deparately "need" a new bike. We want them.

    I'm riding a 27.5 HDR now and love it. Do I love it more then my 26" HD? Yeah, I do. But I think that has way more to do with the HD/HDR being a great chassis design then the wheel size.

    As for what Ibis is going to be releasing next, I'd say a new Tranny 27.5/29er. It's not going to be a new 27.5 full squish IMO. The HDR is too new and selling too well.

    For those of you who are hung up on the HDR not being the 160 bike you want, you have to look at the SL/SLR evolutionary process. The HDR takes the HD platform forward, but ultimately it's still the HD just taken up a few big notches, just like the SLR was to the SL.

    Anyway, I'm excited to see what Ibis has up their sleeve....
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    Disc brake road bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan_speeder View Post
    Disc brake road bike!

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    i know many, many people who run the hakka disc as their sole road bike.

    That said, the silk is gone, so they have no road offerings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    Not those.. the Mach 6 and Bronson and Zeus all are well-thought out and designed for 27.5.. However, Giant's flip overnight into full 27.5 seems like a rush job. They abandoned their 29ers and 26ers just overnight.. that just seems odd.
    I think a smaller company can rush a bike through, but big companies like Giant have a 2 to 3 year process to get a new bike through design, testing, prototyping approvals, manufacturing etc. Knowing Giant the way I do, they couldn't rush a bike if they wanted to. They started working 2014 bikes back in 2011 or 2010. What likely wasn't decided until 2012 was that they were going to drop so many 26" bikes, but they 27.5 models were well along.

    Ibis is just as deliberate, but I bet they can get away with fewer meetings. At least the indoor variety.
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    26 vs 27.5 vs 29?

    Well, I don't know. Doesn't phase me. I bought a Ripley. I love it. It is great fun to ride, and I'm having blast, getting enthusiastic about mountain biking again. I went out tonight for a short ride. A beautiful Christchurch, New Zealand evening. About 18 degrees C.

    Thought the 650b HDR looks cool, and looks like it would be a cool bike to ride, I don't think I need another wheel size to worry about. But that's just me

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    Going crazy waiting for the news! ;D

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    it seems like Ibis Spesh Trek Cann and Boom are making a donation to world bicycle relief.
    I don't think they are coming with anything new if so I think it will be a Tranny.

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    I would have preferred a 27.5 XC race bike with Ripley linkage, but now I apparently have a bunch of chances to win a fully-loaded XX1 Ripley and a lighter feeling in my soul. I guess I can resume my bike search now that I know a new Ibis isn't coming out.
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    Guess I am back to waiting for my Mach 6 to show up...

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    Im just hoping for more new sizes in L for the tee shirt range!

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    Grand Slam for Zambia: The Power of 5

    Bit of embarrassing how this thread's speculations - based on a tweet - are far from the truth, where Ibis sees their donation of a Ripley to World Bicycle Relief as an act against the domination of commerce, the recent Black Friday:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibis Cycles
    Yesterday our friend Fat Cyclist launched an ambitious campaign to raise money for World Bicycle Relief, a campaign he calls the power of 5...
    'Tis The Season (to win a Ripley) | News | Info | Ibis Cycles US

    Still, bikes are their business, and that is good. We will see further models and enhancements.

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    Embarrassing how? Ibis has helped many resist the evils of wanton capitalist consumerism by kindly NOT releasing a new model.

    But in all seriousness this is a great cause that makes a real impact, and one that I'm happy to support this holiday season. Thanks to FC & Ibis for bringing it to our attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Embarrassing how?
    As in the fact that a short message results in all these "what I would buy" statements. - I refer to us bike addicts (myself included) and happily agree to how you describe Ibis' approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerberos View Post
    As in the fact that a short message results in all these "what I would buy" statements.
    What is embarrassing about shopping around for a new bike and expressing loyalty to Ibis by stating "I would get one"?

    Must be a season of high horses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjm_2000 View Post
    Lets hope it's the new rear triangle for the HD!
    Guess I was right! Do I get a prize :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramjm_2000 View Post
    Guess I was right! Do I get a prize :-)
    Link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by my02 View Post
    The same as the current Mojo HD140 26" or a different one?
    You mean the HD130 as admitted by Hans?

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    guess i was right...

    Quote Originally Posted by wlhighlight View Post
    my guess would be not a new product launch, but some kind of fundraiser for fatcyclist

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    This page Ibis Demo Tour | Buy/Try | Ibis Cycles US that was posted already suggests that we can expect a new bike. But if even the announcement is being delayed past a week, what can we expect of the manufacture time until availability?

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