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    Packing up the Mojo, for a plane ride...

    Going to Phoenix for Christmas vacation and just couldn't leave her behind.

    Tear down: ~15-20 minutes.
    Stacking in case for nearly good enough fit: ~2 minutes.
    Getting it to fit so it will zip shut: ~10 minutes.
    Wrapping/securing bits to keep them from scratching badly: ~15 minutes.

    Less than one hour including taking pictures, all told.

    And the pics:
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    ready to tear down and load in the case
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    Front wheel off. Small bits go in the cardboard box to make sure they are not forgotten in the final packing.
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    cassette fits in a special piece of molded plastic in the case.
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    Progress is quick. The bike is easy to dismantle.
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    All 3 of the needed suspension bolts have been removed.

    Next I just drop the fork out and pull out the seatpost. Then it's just a matter of folding it all together and laying it in the case.
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    Packing up the Mojo, continued

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    dropped the fork and left the handlebar and brakes intact and hanging.
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    The rear wheel goes in first and the disk is protected with a cover that came with the Ritchey case.
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    Other protective gear that came with the Ritchey case.
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    Stacked in easily, but couldn't get it to zip shut yet.
    After folding the front and rear triangle together more, I was able to lay the fork flat and get the extra room needed for the front wheel on top. Boy, isn't that a pile of carbon.
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    Packing up the Mojo, continued

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    All in except the protective pad that goes over these parts, then the front wheel on top of that. The drive side of the crankset is in the upper right corner covered in bubble wrap and brown paper.
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    All the tools used to dismantle the Mojo.
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    Size of Bag (w/h/d).
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    Final packed weight, all in. 33.3 lbs.

    I'll be nervous about the baggage handlers, but it's a mountain bike after all. It should be able to take the abuse. They just better not lose it !!
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    Thanks for sharing this, very useful!

    I would be very nervous about posting my beloved bike, since I had some bad experiences with my aluminium frame coming out banged up and scratched.

    Is there a hard shell version of this, too? If so, how much do they set you back?

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    Yikes, hard shell dude. Mountain bikes are built to take abuse, but really not that kind.

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    Well I guess if you are scared of getting your mojo damaged cuz I dont think they would guess that they would be a bike in there. I suggest you sticking the fragile sticker and maybe the this side up sticker so they would know that its something they should handle with care. You dont want arriving in Phoenix and ended up buying parts to replace the damage parts are u?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk
    Yikes, hard shell dude. Mountain bikes are built to take abuse, but really not that kind.
    The four sides are hard, then there is the hard well on the back side. The front side is soft and has the front wheel below it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jever98
    Thanks for sharing this, very useful!

    I would be very nervous about posting my beloved bike, since I had some bad experiences with my aluminium frame coming out banged up and scratched.

    Is there a hard shell version of this, too? If so, how much do they set you back?

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    I paid $175 on Ebay. Wheelandsprocket are still selling them for 199 OBO. The current model has wheels, this one does not. I think I can handle 33lbs. to the curb without wheels.

    There are hard shell bags by other makers. They cost much more and are much larger. I'm sure most airlines would charge as "oversized". This one couldn't be any smaller and still fit a Mojo inside.

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    Yea, "fragile" tape is a good idea. And keeping my fingers crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    Yea, "fragile" tape is a good idea. And keeping my fingers crossed.
    If you do put "fragile" tape on, then I'd put extra padding in. We read, "fragile", but the baggage handler reads, "Packed extra good, so I can toss it f'n far". Think of the opening scene of Ace Ventura. I'd layer it with some clothing and/or packing bubble wrap.

    Now you can say the carbon mojo frame endured, for example, Sedona, Fruita, Moab... and the baggage handlers of United Airlines.
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    what about a spacer/support for the fork and rear triangle dropouts? Fork looks ok based on location, but if the bag ends up horizontal and with something heavy the rear triangle will flex in a way it's not designed to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadgit
    what about a spacer/support for the fork and rear triangle dropouts? Fork looks ok based on location, but if the bag ends up horizontal and with something heavy the rear triangle will flex in a way it's not designed to be.
    Excellent thought. I do have a spacer that comes with new bike frames, I'll definitely put in on.

    I found a few other good tips on traveling with a bike and this case from the Ritchey site as well: http://breakawaytoday.blogspot.com/2...avel-tips.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jedicoder
    If you do put "fragile" tape on, then I'd put extra padding in. We read, "fragile", but the baggage handler reads, "Packed extra good, so I can toss it f'n far". Think of the opening scene of Ace Ventura. I'd layer it with some clothing and/or packing bubble wrap.
    Good point, I don't want to jinx it.

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    The bike arrived via Continental Airlines without a hitch (bike went as checked luggage with no extra fees) and it was quick putting it all back together. It's a great feeling to have my familiar ride with me.

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    Sweet, Thanx for the info!
    Hope the trip goes well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    The bike arrived via Continental Airlines without a hitch (bike went as checked luggage with no extra fees) and it was quick putting it all back together. It's a great feeling to have my familiar ride with me.
    Excellent! I was curious if it would make it without extra fees. My understanding is that the Richey travel case is very close, but slightly over the over-size dimension limit.

    I was informed by an airline previously when I traveled with a bike using a Performance brand hard case that the extra fees are because oversized luggage is loaded last "if there is room". And the fees are to cover 3rd party courier delivery charges for shipping any late arrivals to the passenger. The extra fees for oversize items do not insure the luggage contents or for loss.

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    Wow, Phoenix is fun and rocky.

    So far I have two 12+ mile rides in. I am used to rocky sections of trail, but here the trail is generally all rocky with only sections that are not.

    I love the extra practice on rocks, though my knees and ankles have some war wounds.

    Except for a few times when I stalled the front tire on a rock, the Mojo has been eating this stuff up.

    I didn't spend much energy on pics, but here's a taste of Phoenix:phoenix ride 1.jpg

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    Noshortcuts... I want that headset cap of yours... where did you get a blue one? could only get black cane creeks here.... that will go so nicely with my blue links i have coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH_WP
    Noshortcuts... I want that headset cap of yours... where did you get a blue one? could only get black cane creeks here.... that will go so nicely with my blue links i have coming
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    totaly off topic.... but how do you search for a user on ebay... never used ebay before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DH_WP
    totaly off topic.... but how do you search for a user on ebay... never used ebay before...
    The "find a store" function often does not work well for me on ebay.
    Here is the address: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfast_freddy_4
    In this case it also works to go to "cycling" under "categories" and then search for "top cap".

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    I think this is the same thing..... but RIGHT NOW wheel and sprocket have these ritchey travel cases for $50 (plus shipping). There are 8 left.
    ebay item #170119926987
    No wheels though. Looks like the same product.
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    that's the one!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    I think this is the same thing..... but RIGHT NOW wheel and sprocket have these ritchey travel cases for $50 (plus shipping). There are 8 left.
    ebay item #170119926987
    No wheels though. Looks like the same product.
    Boy, did I overpay.... then again, I wouldn't be riding in Phoenix without it.
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    is that camelback mountain or something on the south side of town? I may have to make an emergency trip to someplace like the phoenix area for some riding...... Anyone want to participate in a Winter Mojo Rally, location someplace warm TBA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by subliminalshiver
    is that camelback mountain or something on the south side of town? I may have to make an emergency trip to someplace like the phoenix area for some riding...... Anyone want to participate in a Winter Mojo Rally, location someplace warm TBA?
    Thunderbird Park in Glendale, AZ. Around 25 miles of multi use single track.

    I'm back home now and awaiting 8-9 inches of rain in the weekend forecast. I'm ready to go back to the desert. A yearly Mojo rally would be a blast!

    The airline never looked twice at the Ritchey bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    Thunderbird Park in Glendale, AZ. Around 25 miles of multi use single track.

    I'm back home now and awaiting 8-9 inches of rain in the weekend forecast. I'm ready to go back to the desert. A yearly Mojo rally would be a blast!

    The airline never looked twice at the Ritchey bag.
    Mojo winter rally in a warm place? sounds to good to be true!

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    New question here. What frame size & fork length?

    Nice write-up and photos noshortcuts!

    I'd like to do the same thing but it looks like a tight fit. What size is your frame and what is your fork's length from top of steerer to bottom of drop-outs?

    btw - I also traveled to the Phoenix area for X-mas. Thought I was going for some warm rides, but it was colder than Santa Cruz this time around. Great trails just East of Mesa.

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    Answer Q's and a few more tips on packing up the Mojo

    Quote Originally Posted by strike30
    Nice write-up and photos noshortcuts!

    I'd like to do the same thing but it looks like a tight fit. What size is your frame and what is your fork's length from top of steerer to bottom of drop-outs?
    OK,

    My frame is small but there is an extra couple of inches and I'd guess a large could be folded in to the case. It's hard to tell, but the one that Ibis carries in a Ritchey bag looks like it might be a large.

    I think the fork may be a limiting factor on some bikes. Mine is just about 28" total length. The case is 28.5" I.D., in the longest direction.

    Tips:
    1. Clean and oil the chain so you don't need to bring oil. I washed my bike before packing it and then just dusted it for the return trip.
    2. Bring spares: tubes, master link for chain, a length of dérailleur cable (in case a piece is bent out of shape in the folding and packing of the bike).
    3. Remove air from rear shock before removing linkage bolts
    4. Remove air from the tires to fit them in the case.
    5. Remove only the drive side of the crankset, but remove the pedal from the other side.
    6. Have a sealed container to keep track of all the small parts (bolts, chain, etc.)
    7. After the bike is folded in to position in the suitcase, see that the case will close. If it will close, then wrap parts that might rub and secure parts that might move about (I used velcro straps).
    8. After you assemble and before you ride, double check that all bolts are tight and bounce the bike up and down to listen for abnormal noises

    Kinks in my trip:
    • The hardest part is getting the handlebar to lie flat enough and with no major kinks in the cables. It helped to loosen the brake levers to swivel freely.
    • The next hardest part is getting the cables from the handlebar (to the frame and the fork) routed correctly when building the bike back up. Even though none are removed, they get disorganized when turning the handlebar around to fit in the case.
    • I lost half of the SRAM quick link but had brought a spare.
    • One brake disc rubbed when I put the bike back together. A gentle push with the palm of my hand returned it to normal.
    • A crank arm fell off on my first ride because I had not put the bolt on!


    Time:
    Tear down and packing, ~1 hour (quicker if you just toss it in like it appears Ibis does. It takes time securing the frame and parts from shifting around and from rubbing and scratching each other.
    Build up, ~35-45 minutes.

    Last pics:IMG_3048.JPG

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    Bike packed on return trip: The frame and fork fit the same, but the handlebar fits a tad different and the saddle and crank ended up in different places.

    Lastly, the inspiration:mojo travel bike (Small).jpg
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    Thanks for the advice and photos

    I picked up a ritchey travel bag on ebay for $50 and got my large mojo to fit as well. It was pretty tight, but will work just fine for traveling.

    Now if I could just find the schrader cover for my RP23....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gollig
    I picked up a ritchey travel bag on ebay for $50 and got my large mojo to fit as well. It was pretty tight, but will work just fine for traveling.

    Now if I could just find the schrader cover for my RP23....
    That's great the large fits. Happy trails!

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    anybody flying with their bike lately?

    I'm intrigued by the travel mojo concept, and thinking about kicking down for one of these cases.

    However, since this thread circulated, airlines have started tightening up their baggage policies, and I'm wondering if people have started getting dinged with oversize bag charges with these Ritchey cases, or any others.

    It seems it would be worth it to make the investment in one of these bags to fly with the mojo for a standard 15 dollar or whatever first bag charge, but paying 100 bucks each way for an oversized bag would start to get pricey.

    Anyhow, reports either way about recent experiences with this (or other) bike flights would be appreciated. Thanks.

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    Call it bike parts...

    I've traveled a few times with my mojo in the ritchey bag. The first time I was asked what was in the bag, I said a bike. They mumbled something about extra charges, but didn't actually charge me when I complained a little bit. Now I just say it's bike parts and haven't had any problems. Just don't say it's a bike.

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    Btw, does anybody know if you can fit an XL frame?

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    Anybody have any tips on where to get a good deal on a Ritchey Travel Case? $250 is the cheapest I've found.

    I'm taking the Mojo to Moab in Nov for my first ever trip out out West. First time riding a mountain bike someplace other then VT!

    Thanks in advance.

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    great post. anybody know if this size bag & weight still qualifies as checked bag w/ out a fee? i know a lot of the baggage rules & fees have changed over the last few years.

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    Weight is no problem. With a Mojo it will be at least 10 lbs under the 50lb. limit that continues to be the norm.

    As far as size, I think baggage over 62" (L+H+W) continue to be considered over-sized. This bag is over that limit but I've never had anyone bother measuring it (I think because it is light and narrow and looks small). I've heard the same from others. I think airlines focus on weight unless something looks like it's going to take up an immense amount of space. But if someone does measure, you may get hit with the fee.

    I wonder if these bags will ever go at clearance prices again?

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    the policies will depend upon a combination of your airline's policy and your honesty. I have taken my bike on three airplane trips this year from Boston (California, Ireland, and Oregon), and had varying experiences:

    California: American Airlines. American continues to have a "no special charge for bikes" luggage policy. If you have something remotely close to the 62" that is under the weight limit, then you are fine. My hardshell box is 64", and with all my gear, it was 75 pounds. After taking out clothing, elements, shoes, etc. at the airport it was down to 50 pounds. Checked with no problem to Las Vegas, and then I did the same drill from Vegas to LA and then LA to Boston.

    Ditto with Aer Lingus to Ireland. I knew to get the box under the 50 pounds limit and "appeared" to be relatively small. I told them it was a bike, and not problem.

    Then, being dumb and happy from the previous two trips, and thinking that as a Star Alliance partner to Aer Lingus, United would have the same policy, I was charged $175 one way to take my Mojo from Boston to Mountain Bike Oregon by United. If I had just lied and stated "this is not a bike" then I would not have been charged. BTW, I have successfully disputed the charge thanks to American Express.

    On the way back, I stated my bike was "camping gear", and had my helmet tucked away in the box. No charge.

    Lesson is that you should check your airline's policy prior to flying and you should not fly United under any circumstance if you can avoid it. BTW, American Airlines WILL charge you for you bike if you use a normal sized case. Aer Lingus will not.

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    thanks. i went to MBO in July, i got to demo a mojo and was hooked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by newenglandrocks
    the policies will depend upon a combination of your airline's policy and your honesty..........

    On the way back, I stated my bike was "camping gear", and had my helmet tucked away in the box. No charge.

    Lesson is that you should check your airline's policy prior to flying and you should not fly United under any circumstance if you can avoid it. BTW, American Airlines WILL charge you for you bike if you use a normal sized case. Aer Lingus will not.

    Albert
    IF they ask, you might say it's a bunch of "bike parts". This has worked since it's not the same as a complete bicycle for some reason. And it's honest. Then again, taking the bike camping isn't out of the question.

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    travel with 650b?

    I have not used the travel bike setup yet, but it is something I would like to do soon.

    I'm also considering the move to 650b for my Mojo (size M).

    Has anyone tried to pack up a mojo with 650b wheels (or just the front?) in a Ritchey or S and S case or some other case? Would appreciate a report on whether it worked.

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    You can make bike packing even easier by putting your fork, cranks, and seat in your suitcase with your clothes.
    Because of the chance that your bag will be opened, sorted through, and repacked by a semi-careless TSA employee the easier it is and the less parts that can bang together, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemikemike
    I have not used the travel bike setup yet, but it is something I would like to do soon.

    I'm also considering the move to 650b for my Mojo (size M).

    Has anyone tried to pack up a mojo with 650b wheels (or just the front?) in a Ritchey or S and S case or some other case? Would appreciate a report on whether it worked.

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    I have 650b on the front now but don't think I've tried packing it yet. My guess is that with a completely flat tire, it would still work.

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    it works!

    Thanks again for this thread - super helpful to motivate getting the case, and trying it out.

    I ended up finding a Ritchey case on ebay for 100 bucks, and just got back from my first plane trip with the mojo.

    A few things to add to this thread for those considering trying this:

    -I felt more comfortable removing the rotors from the wheels. It seems like they're less likely to get damaged if in a separate bag in the case, and it might give you a little more space as the wheels can then fit together more snugly. You have to throw in another couple tools, but doesn't take much time.

    -The frame padding that came with the ritchey case is more or less useless for the mojo's tubing - I had great results wrapping the frame in a couple towels like in the other thread on this topic, and wrapping the bars with cycling clothes.

    -With the joplin, I was able to leave the seat on and cram it down, which saved me the hassle of fiddling with the remote cable.

    -Useful to throw in the box: zipties, needlenose pliers, electrical tape

    -It took me more than the stated time to figure all this out the first time through, but I am not a very good wrench.

    -The whole bike, shoes, most of my clothes, and tools all found easy storage as well, so I was able to carry on a roller bag and a backpack without having to check a second back. The full case ended up weighing in at 48 lbs on the way out, and over 50 on the way back after everything was soaked with mud and rain after my somewhat fun rides. I had to remove some ballast when the check-in counter ladies noticed the weight, but just dragged it out of sight and did so with no issues.

    -I infer from comments made by the counter person that there exists product sample cases and such for traveling salesmen that are of similar dimensions, so they may see big cases like this come through regularly.

    It was so great to have the bike in the back of the rental car! What a great way to blow off steam after a stressful meeting! I hope I can make a habit of this...
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    Don't get the Ritchey case

    I've enjoyed taking the mojo on a bunch of trips. Fantastic and easy and have not been charged yet.

    Unfortunately, I can not recommend the durability of the Ritchey breakaway case, which I picked up for cheap on ebay. The structure is provided by internal plastic frame, which has cracked. The case is still useable, but I'm guessing it won't be for very much longer.

    I'm not the only one, it seems:
    http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ri...2_5668crx.aspx

    Ritchey has not responded to a couple of email inquiries about this. I have been spoiled by Ibis customer service, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemikemike
    I've enjoyed taking the mojo on a bunch of trips. Fantastic and easy and have not been charged yet.

    Unfortunately, I can not recommend the durability of the Ritchey breakaway case, which I picked up for cheap on ebay. The structure is provided by internal plastic frame, which has cracked. The case is still useable, but I'm guessing it won't be for very much longer.

    I'm not the only one, it seems:
    http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/ri...2_5668crx.aspx

    Ritchey has not responded to a couple of email inquiries about this. I have been spoiled by Ibis customer service, I guess.
    Good feedback. I'm not surprised it wears out - most all luggage does. I still think it's worth it, considering the price and getting "a bunch" of trips without damage to the bike or airline fees! The only damage to mine has been the canvas wearing through in one spot but I glued a leather patch there and it's been fine. My bags only been on 4 round trips though. But considering we are packing Mojos, it would make sense to pay more for a hard case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noshortcuts
    Good feedback. I'm not surprised it wears out - most all luggage does. I still think it's worth it, considering the price and getting "a bunch" of trips without damage to the bike or airline fees! The only damage to mine has been the canvas wearing through in one spot but I glued a leather patch there and it's been fine. My bags only been on 4 round trips though. But considering we are packing Mojos, it would make sense to pay more for a hard case.
    Worth it? No doubt! I would have paid twice as much for the chance to do the riding I've done. But in hindsight I would spent a bit more for a more durable case. Glad yours is holding better, though.

    What was is that Eddie Murphy said about something less pleasant than mojos? "you keep that sh*t forever. Like luggage." This is the kind of gear I'd like to buy once and not have to revisit. Ah well, it was a hundred buck or so used, so no huge loss.

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    Ritchey CS vs. Ibis CS

    From Ibis I get replies, always helpful and supportive of their product, within a day or two. From Ritchey, four months and a referral to a dealer for some more runaround. I know where my loyalty lies...




    Dec 28, 2010

    Mike,

    Travel damage is not a warranty issue. If you contact you local dealer and have them call us, we can do a reduced "crash replacemt" pricing on a new one.


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    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:17 PM
    To: Ritchey Info Line
    Subject: Warranty

    First Name: K
    Last Name: Mike
    Comment: Hello,
    My breakaway travel bag broke while on the airplane. The plastic internal frame cracked, so one corner is no longer supported. Could you please let me know if this is warranty-able? I can provide pictures.
    Thanks,
    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemikemike
    From Ibis I get replies, always helpful and supportive of their product, within a day or two. From Ritchey, four months and a referral to a dealer for some more runaround. I know where my loyalty lies...

    Thanks,
    Mike
    Fair enough. Then again, I wouldn't expect much more from a canvas suitcase I bought for cheap on Ebay.

    My Ritchey bag is now on it's 5th round trip. This time it carries my Tranny on US Air. Before I've used United and Southwest. No questions or charges for size or "bicycle" yet.

    When it finally dies, I'll go with S&S hard case. It's sure been wonderful having two bikes I can easily and cheaply take with me on trips!
    Last edited by noshortcuts; 12-29-2010 at 06:40 PM.

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    The S and S Machine case is the one to go for, but it's not cheap at $396.

    Refer to http://www.gramslightbikes.com/2009/...with-bike.html

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