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    Mojo HDR Reviews

    Reckon the Mojo HDR needs its own thread for reviews!

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    Mojo HDR First Look/Review, 26" > 650b Conversion Video, 26" vs 650b Back to back comparison

    Unbelievably I scored a pre-release gig with Ibis and have been rolling around on the new Ibis Mojo HDR the last few weeks, running it both as a 26" and 650b. It's been great fun and a real eye opener for me. I'm going with the 650b build, it's just insanely dialed!

    Links to Mojo HDR stories:

    Ibis Mojo HDR First Look | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR ISCG Mount | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 26" to 650b Conversion | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 650b vs Mojo HDR 26" | Ibis Mojo HDR

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    Thanks for the reviews! Did you check the weights for the complete builds?

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    Re: Mojo HDR First Look, 26" > 650b Conversion, 26" vs 650b

    Not only were you fortunate enough to have an HD-R to ride, you also got to head over to Australia to ride it :thumbup:

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    Hi Michael, the HDR frame is lighter than the HD so there is a weight saving there if for example you simply swapped all of existing HD bits and pieces over to it. There are a few ways to configure the HDR, but the short answer ATM in my case is that my HDR 650b build is lighter than my old 26" 160mm build by a significant amount (~1kg). I haven't got a final weight on the HDR 650b just yet.

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    hippie - is yours in 130mm mode?

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    Thanks for the article on 130mm 650b vs. 160mm 26".

    I've recently been thinking that a 650b 160mm Mojo HD would be the perfect bike for me. Good to hear that you can still haul ass on 130mm travel bike.

    Time to start saving my pennies.

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    Pete - Did you notice any difference in the suspension curves or same as before? Nice pics/vid BTW

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    Reckon the Mojo HDR needs its own thread for reviews!

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    Mojo HDR First Look/Review, 26" > 650b Conversion Video, 26" vs 650b Back to back comparison

    I've been fortunate to have an Ibis Mojo HDR since mid May. I headed over to Melrose South Australia for a few weeks to check it out and with the bike's release am now able to post a few stories on it!

    It's been a whole load of fun... and amongst other things a perfect opportunity to explore 26" vs 650b back to back. Thanks Ibis!

    Links to Mojo HDR stories:

    Ibis Mojo HDR First Look | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR ISCG Mount | Ibis Mojo HDR

    Ibis Mojo HDR 26" to 650b Conversion | Ibis Mojo HDR

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    Great excitement in the article, but can you be a bit more informative re setups of the comparison not just the ride.

    Tests are greatly affected by Speccification.

    And isnt it HDR vs HD.

    I just want facts esspecially if it is as good as you say it is, Im just about to lay down an order today on a 2014 fork/shock for 160 mode change from 140 mode in 26".

    1: What fork & shock is was on your origonal HD 160?
    2: What tires & wheels were on both bikes?

    I wont get 2 padantic but these 2 points affect bike handling and speed allot including stability vs a larger wheel and longer wheelbase.

    Cheers Digital Hippie appreciate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    hippie - is yours in 130mm mode?
    Hi baltik yes it in 130mm mode ATM. I was skeptical beforehand, but with the 650b wheels is yet to feel like insufficient travel. Overall I much prefer to the ride to the 26" 160mm mode. It's not even close, which came as a real shock to me.

    Speaking with bike industry guys from California this morning visiting Melrose for the MTB Festival, the consensus was that 130-140mm of travel might be the 650b sweet spot, for riders and optimum design/performance etc. Have to wait and see.

    All that said, since I have the 160mm rear shock here the plan in the next couple of weeks is to shim it to 150mm and see how it compares to the 130mm.
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    This is very exciting. Will they be available before Christmas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick005 View Post
    Great excitement in the article, but can you be a bit more informative re setups of the comparison not just the ride.

    Tests are greatly affected by Speccification.

    And isnt it HDR vs HD.

    I just want facts esspecially if it is as good as you say it is, Im just about to lay down an order today on a 2014 fork/shock for 160 mode change from 140 mode in 26".

    1: What fork & shock is was on your origonal HD 160?
    2: What tires & wheels were on both bikes?


    Cheers Digital Hippie appreciate it.
    Hi Maverick for sure obviously specs combine to create a feel/ride. TBH though after a few weeks of back to back comparing I'm at the stage of just enjoying the ride!

    IMO It's:

    - HD 26" 160 vs the HDR 26" 160, then
    - HDR 26" 160 vs the HDR 650b 130, and later
    - HDR 650b 130mm vs 650b 150mm.

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    HD 26" 160mm vs HDR 26" 160mm

    Existing parts swapped over my (original model) HD to HDR - same spec, just new frame and rear shock supplied with new frame. Frame feel/characteristics and weight reduction due to SL-R style molding, rear shock plus ISCG tab. You can't mistake the two riding them back to back. IMO the HDR 26" is a neat update to the HD 26".

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    HDR 26" 160mm vs HDR 650b

    Fork in both cases was Float 34 160. On the 650b HDR it was the 650b version of the Float, reduced to 150mm. I've since put the new Rockshox Pike on the front and am looking forward to checking out, but the bike has been hidden away over the last few days as I've been at a mountain bike festival and now it's bucketing rain

    Tires 26": Purgatory 2.3 front, Captain 2.2 rear
    Tires 650b: Hans Dampf 2.35 front, Rocket Ron rear

    Wheels 26": Hope Pro II hubs, EX500 rims
    Wheels 650b: Tune King Kong hubs, ZTR FLow EX rims

    650b wheelset was lighter, mainly spokes and rear hub.

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    Disregarding individual components, TBH I had fairly low expectations for the feel of 650b 130mm mode and was blown away by the difference on the trail. For me it wasn't even close - back to back testing over a few weeks and I don't have any desire to ride the HD as a 26" again... seriously.

    Fwiw I've ridden demo 29'ers over the last few years and haven't come across one I'd rather ride than the HD. That's the difference with the HDR as a 650b - it just feels right, like that is the way the HD/HDR was always meant to be. It's like a faster, more efficient 26" with better ride qualities.... plus dang, it just looks plain nasty with those bigger 650b feet in that sexy frame :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd S View Post
    This is very exciting. Will they be available before Christmas?
    We started shipping the first few today, lots more in a couple of weeks.

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    Pete - How'd you like the Pike on the bike, was it at 150mm and do you feel it's a reasonable match to the 130mm rear shock? Looking at a Pike 150/Float X 650B option for my HD. What BB height are you at with the Pike?

    -Shane

    Quote Originally Posted by digitalhippie13 View Post
    Hi Maverick for sure obviously specs combine to create a feel/ride. TBH though after a few weeks of back to back comparing I'm at the stage of just enjoying the ride!

    IMO It's:

    - HD 26" 160 vs the HDR 26" 160, then
    - HDR 26" 160 vs the HDR 650b 130, and later
    - HDR 650b 130mm vs 650b 150mm.

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    HD 26" 160mm vs HDR 26" 160mm

    Existing parts swapped over my (original model) HD to HDR - same spec, just new frame and rear shock supplied with new frame. Frame feel/characteristics and weight reduction due to SL-R style molding, rear shock plus ISCG tab. You can't mistake the two riding them back to back. IMO the HDR 26" is a neat update to the HD 26".

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    HDR 26" 160mm vs HDR 650b

    Fork in both cases was Float 34 160. On the 650b HDR it was the 650b version of the Float, reduced to 150mm. I've since put the new Rockshox Pike on the front and am looking forward to checking out, but the bike has been hidden away over the last few days as I've been at a mountain bike festival and now it's bucketing rain

    Tires 26": Purgatory 2.3 front, Captain 2.2 rear
    Tires 650b: Hans Dampf 2.35 front, Rocket Ron rear

    Wheels 26": Hope Pro II hubs, EX500 rims
    Wheels 650b: Tune King Kong hubs, ZTR FLow EX rims

    650b wheelset was lighter, mainly spokes and rear hub.

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    Disregarding individual components, TBH I had fairly low expectations for the feel of 650b 130mm mode and was blown away by the difference on the trail. For me it wasn't even close - back to back testing over a few weeks and I don't have any desire to ride the HD as a 26" again... seriously.

    Fwiw I've ridden demo 29'ers over the last few years and haven't come across one I'd rather ride than the HD. That's the difference with the HDR as a 650b - it just feels right, like that is the way the HD/HDR was always meant to be. It's like a faster, more efficient 26" with better ride qualities.... plus dang, it just looks plain nasty with those bigger 650b feet in that sexy frame :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We started shipping the first few today, lots more in a couple of weeks.

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    That's awesome news. Looks like a great bike.

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    That's great. Timing on the XL Cobra Blue frames?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We started shipping the first few today, lots more in a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seleniak View Post
    Pete - How'd you like the Pike on the bike, was it at 150mm and do you feel it's a reasonable match to the 130mm rear shock? Looking at a Pike 150/Float X 650B option for my HD. What BB height are you at with the Pike?

    -Shane
    Shane can't say yet as the Pike only arrived late last week and I had to hide the HDR over the weekend for the MTB festival! I'm the workshop atm messing with stuff while the rain buckets down, so it might be a day or two before I can take the Pike for a good spin. I've been borrowing a friend's 650b Fox Float 160mm reduced to 150mm off and on for the last few weeks.

    It's been a little challenging getting 650b stuff down here - at the time the Pike was the one 650b fork (as in just one single fork) left in Australia at a distributor level out of any brands. From what I'd read about the Pike I thought it was worth taking a chance on, plus it's kind of a cool throwback as my first shock was the Rockshox Mag 20.. nasty!

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    Nice! Any idea on the wheel weight?

    I'm on a Lyrik 170 / Pushed Monarch right now so the Pike is pretty interesting to me. Appreciate your thoughts when you get some time on it.

    Also appreciate you measuring the actual BB height with the Pike. I'm getting 345.5mm on paper which I'm stoked about if true. Looks to be ~ 5.5mm lower than a converted HD140, which is fantastic if my math is correct


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    Shane can't say yet as the Pike only arrived late last week and I had to hide the HDR over the weekend for the MTB festival! I'm the workshop atm messing with stuff while the rain buckets down, so it might be a day or two before I can take the Pike for a good spin.

    It's been a little challenging getting 650b stuff down here - at the time it was the one 650b fork (as in just one single fork) left in Australia at a distributor level. From what I'd read about the Pike I thought it was worth taking a chance on, plus it's kind of a cool throwback as my first shock was the Rockshox Mag 20.. nasty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalhippie13 View Post
    Hi Maverick for sure obviously specs combine to create a feel/ride. TBH though after a few weeks of back to back comparing I'm at the stage of just enjoying the ride!

    IMO It's:

    - HD 26" 160 vs the HDR 26" 160, then
    - HDR 26" 160 vs the HDR 650b 130, and later
    - HDR 650b 130mm vs 650b 150mm.

    ----------------------------

    HD 26" 160mm vs HDR 26" 160mm

    Existing parts swapped over my (original model) HD to HDR - same spec, just new frame and rear shock supplied with new frame. Frame feel/characteristics and weight reduction due to SL-R style molding, rear shock plus ISCG tab. You can't mistake the two riding them back to back. IMO the HDR 26" is a neat update to the HD 26".

    ----------------------------

    HDR 26" 160mm vs HDR 650b

    Fork in both cases was Float 34 160. On the 650b HDR it was the 650b version of the Float, reduced to 150mm. I've since put the new Rockshox Pike on the front and am looking forward to checking out, but the bike has been hidden away over the last few days as I've been at a mountain bike festival and now it's bucketing rain

    Tires 26": Purgatory 2.3 front, Captain 2.2 rear
    Tires 650b: Hans Dampf 2.35 front, Rocket Ron rear

    Wheels 26": Hope Pro II hubs, EX500 rims
    Wheels 650b: Tune King Kong hubs, ZTR FLow EX rims

    650b wheelset was lighter, mainly spokes and rear hub.

    ---------------------------

    Disregarding individual components, TBH I had fairly low expectations for the feel of 650b 130mm mode and was blown away by the difference on the trail. For me it wasn't even close - back to back testing over a few weeks and I don't have any desire to ride the HD as a 26" again... seriously.

    Fwiw I've ridden demo 29'ers over the last few years and haven't come across one I'd rather ride than the HD. That's the difference with the HDR as a 650b - it just feels right, like that is the way the HD/HDR was always meant to be. It's like a faster, more efficient 26" with better ride qualities.... plus dang, it just looks plain nasty with those bigger 650b feet in that sexy frame :P
    Cheers DH thats awesome info, feel I can get a real sense of what you're getting at now, maybe a bit down the road for me, too much invested in Enve wheels etc for now lol, but for my R fleet maybe need to re think this, it is a good looking rig, not many apart from the Bronson have I stated that, Ibis always look good.

    Apart from my minor nit picking, I do give Ibis props for providing the flexibility for both HDRs and not killing off the HD, and even the HDR 26" as you say has nice evolution about it which was one of my previous concerns, now gone, took me awhile to get it, too many HDs and Rs earlier I got confused easy for me!

    Cheers mate.

    Will look forward to your thoughts on the Pike too.
    Hope to give some thoughts in coming weeks on XFusion Vect Air/Ven Air combo.

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    Thanks for the review! Looking forward to the 150 650b reviews too. I'm surprised that the 130 650b road so much better then the 160 26." If so that says alot and I may have to rethink my next bike quite a bit more. I currently have a 180 talas. I don't think that can be used in any 650b configuration. Anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scepticshock View Post
    Thanks for the review! Looking forward to the 150 650b reviews too. I'm surprised that the 130 650b road so much better then the 160 26." If so that says alot and I may have to rethink my next bike quite a bit more. I currently have a 180 talas. I don't think that can be used in any 650b configuration. Anybody know?
    My 2012 160 TALAS cleared a 650 2.35 Nevegal without issue, I'd be surprised if the 180 didn't...
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    I just don't know how I'll give up my white HD...I loooove the white.
    Since I'm enjoying the heck out of my ripley right now...I think I can wait until they get the retrofit rear triangles to convert my white HD. I've long been a fan in 650b...I'm sure it'll be amazing on the HD...even with 'only' 130mm travel. my sl with 650b's was amazing.

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    Its the same 7.875x2 shock as on the HD140, sl, slr ... same travel as before, so least of my worries. Always been ~130mm travel just was called HD140 mode. Think they should of just stuck with the HD140 designation and avoided all the travel hysteria.

    Quote Originally Posted by riderup View Post
    I just don't know how I'll give up my white HD...I loooove the white.
    Since I'm enjoying the heck out of my ripley right now...I think I can wait until they get the retrofit rear triangles to convert my white HD. I've long been a fan in 650b...I'm sure it'll be amazing on the HD...even with 'only' 130mm travel. my sl with 650b's was amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riderup View Post
    I just don't know how I'll give up my white HD...I loooove the white.
    Yeah me too, love my white Mojo HD. Time for a change with the HDR, I'm going stealth black, might even take the branding stickers off the fork and rims.

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    I had posted this in the "new Ibis" thread, probably better here.

    I was lucky enough to demo a HDR 650b yesterday on my local trails. I currently ride a HD, so I wanted to see what all the hype was about the larger wheel size. I've never been a fan of the 29er, just doesn't fit my riding style and have never felt like the 26" wheel was a "problem"

    Riding style: I really love cornering, drifting thru corners, pulling away from people in corners. When I use to race DH this would be all I would practice, coming in hot into a corner and telling myself don't touch the brakes no matter what. So would a larger wheel size affect this or help?

    When I showed up Kirk was setting up an HDR 650 for another rider.

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    I headed out to ride my "standard loop" for a base-line comparison. When I started riding I immediately felt a difference with the height of the larger wheel. The climb up to the top of Hartman Rocks here in Gunnison, CO is a single-track which without any sort of warmup I managed to get my 2nd best time since I started tracking my rides last year. I wasn't really trying to go for it either, as I usually take my time on the 1st climb.

    My HD is setup with 170mm cranks and the demo had 175mm. This felt a little weird to me also, but didn't try to think about it. After getting to the top of the 1st single track I was ready to rip the first rocky descent. The trail called Rocky Ridge has technical rock sections on the upper section, then fast and flowy lower down. Heading down into the 1st section I noticed how nicely it rolled thru the rocks and held it's line. The bike tracked really well and the Pacenti Neo-Moto 2.3 tires gripped really well in our decomposed granite/sandy loam conditions. I felt there was really no learning curve with these tires, they simply worked. I run a 2.5 minion and a 2.35 ardent on my HD currently.

    So I headed to the next trail Sawtooth, which is a technical trail, climbing and descending. On the climb up there is a rocky switchback, with a rock move to another rock move, which I haven't been able to clean all year (I have in the past). First time ride this bike, nailed it, stoked, started to think maybe there is something to the 650b movement.

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    After one ride I was very impressed with the 650b wheel size. It would be nice to have a little more travel, but for a good percentage of trails I ride, I could probably get away with 130mm travel.

    As far as the new frame it felt really stiff, perhaps slightly stiffer than the HD, or it was the difference between 130mm and 160mm travel. Clearance with the 2.3 650b tires was good and don't think I would need to run bigger, as the traction was superb.

    All this leaving me wondering, should I be asking my LBS about getting a new frame? Damn you Ibis for making another excellent bike!

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    Before purchasing a 2013 HDR 650b consider this....I recently successfully converted my 2011 Ibis Mojo SL to 650b wheel format. During the conversion I had to shim the rear shock by just 3mm from 140mm to 137mm to accommodate the 650b tyre clearance inside rear triangle. I run a 150mm fork up front.....so the irony is that I have longer rear travel on my 2011 Mojo SL (137mm) compared to the latest 2013 Mojo HDR (130mm)!!!!! So why would I upgrade to the latest HDR when I get longer rear travel on my 2011 Mojo SL?! In addition my SL weighs a svelte 24.7 pounds so it's way lighter than a 2013 HDR!!! Latest product doesn't always equal better - food for thought for those already riding 26" Mojo C OR SL or SLR or HD who are considering 650b conversion or considering a new 650b HDR , )

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