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    The Mojo HDR continues in the very capable footsteps of our popular and highly regarded Mojo HD, taking its technology and versatility a few steps further. The "HDR" and the "HD" feature identical travel (160mm), the same suspension (the incomparable dw-link), and the same proven geometry.
    The HDR adds even more diversity to its menu.
    You're currently looking at the 26" wheel 160mm travel version of the bike. You can set it up with 160mm or 180mm front forks. If you want to run the bike in long travel 650b mode check the details tab to the right.
    Over on this page, you can see the HDR 650b, featuring 27.5" wheels (that's why we called it the HDR 650b) and a ton of ways to set it up. All of its chameleon-like geometric gyrations can be seen over here.
    Maybe the best place to start would be the galleries tab, where we've got a few videos showing the bike in action along with some lovely big studio shots.

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    Love the details, but wish there was at least one "obnoxious" color. Nuclear Pesto would be great.

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    Personally, I'm loving the cobra blue.

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    why can I not read the details? wtf? Also, if it's just a regular HD, what's different? Is there an updated rear triangle for us loyal ibisians? AAAAHHH the suspense is killing me!
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    Basically, "limbo chips" so the bike can convert to 650B and ISCG05 tabs

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    I thought the limbo chips is only if you want to run 130mm + 650; Otherwise for 160mm it's no limbo + shim shock 5mm + 650 wheels?

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    Yea that's what I got out of it

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    But I just finally got 26" carbon wheels!

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    So the new HDR:
    1. Has same geometry and travel as original HD when used with 26" wheels
    2. Can also be set up as a 650b with 130mm travel
    3. Comes in 2 new colors

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE my (black) HD. I have owned mine for almost 3 years, but I have always wished for a better paint scheme. The frame design is so beautiful, but the black/grey combo on my black HD do not stand out at all. I have often felt a tinge of jealousy when I look at the bright paint schemes utilized by Santa Cruz, Specialized, Trek, Giant, etc. I do like the black/yellow combo on the rear triangle of the new HDR, but I think the paint on the downtube looks blocky and out of place.

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    so the rear triangle had to have been changed to accomidate 650b tires.. It even says in the article that there was no mud clearance, but no mention of whether the new rear triangle will work on the old HD...

    Also, says they changed geo for bottom bracket height.

    and changed for more clearance for xx1. SO, questions I'm left with...

    Does the rear triangle fit onto the old HD for better 650b retrofit?

    Does xx1 not fit on the current HD's?

    And what is the difference between BB heights between the old HD650b retrofit, and the new HDR650b?

    So far, sounds like my original plan of my buying a pike 160, shimming my rear shock an converting to 650's is the way to go. Not worth going for the new frame.. or is it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PowRyda View Post
    Basically, "limbo chips" so the bike can convert to 650B and ISCG05 tabs
    No, that's not the only change. The rear triangle is different; clearance etc.
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    I'm guessing the rear triangles aren't interchangeable since the details page says they changed the lower link a bit

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    My shimmed 160mm HD running 650b wheels and Schwalbe 2.25" tires (NN R, Hans F) measures 13.25" from ground to bottom of BB. So with this combo, it's actually lower than what Ibis reports on the HDR (13.5")

    The XX1 will fit on current HDs, but you'll need to add 1/8" spacers between the hub and dropout. There was talk about Ibis making a new RD hanger w/ the 1/8" spacing.

    So all in all, IMO there's nothing you can't do to the old HD to make it exactly like the new HDR (other than the ISCG05 mount).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowRyda View Post
    I'm guessing the rear triangles aren't interchangeable since the details page says they changed the lower link a bit
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.

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    Surprised after all that they couldn't make a HDR 650b 160. I guess the 650b wheels still limits suspension, or Ibis just doesn't want to change the wheel base.

    Looks like the Geometry is identical. Too bad, since I was hoping for a bit longer front center and wheelbase on the large.

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    Thanks Hans for the quick response. I'd be in that group of HD owners wanting a retrofit swingarm for added tire clearance! I love my HD converted 650b.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsxtc View Post
    My shimmed 160mm HD running 650b wheels and Schwalbe 2.25" tires (NN R, Hans F) measures 13.25" from ground to bottom of BB. So with this combo, it's actually lower than what Ibis reports on the HDR (13.5")
    I don't think anybody measures BB height from the ground to the bottom of the BB...always to the middle of the BB from what I understand. With 2.35 nevegals on 650b wheels and my shock shimmed a few mm, my unsagged BB height was 14.25"
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    Any chance the new graphics will be available as a sticker set? I first saw the black/yellow combo in the article on Anne-Caroline Chausson's HD a while back, and have been dying to get the same look on my black HD.

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.
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    Fantastic news! Love the fact that Ibis thinks about their existing riders. See a long line forming now.

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.
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    Hans:

    Can you confirm that the geo is the same as the regular HD160 if you use the 26" wheels?

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    I would think to measure to the bottom of BB as that's what will be hitting the obstacles (e.g., rocks, roots, etc...). So the way my mind thinks is that I have 13.25" ground clearance (vs. adding another say 1/2" to middle of BB).

    Quote Originally Posted by tdotrider View Post
    I don't think anybody measures BB height from the ground to the bottom of the BB...always to the middle of the BB from what I understand. With 2.35 nevegals on 650b wheels and my shock shimmed a few mm, my unsagged BB height was 14.25"

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    I'm assuming that you will be offering the retro swingarm in the older paint scheme (e.g., Vitamin P, White, Black)?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.

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    No you measure BB height from level floor to center of BB. not the bottom of BB.

    My HD 160 650B was around 14.25+- a wee bit

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    I posted this in the other thread but dying to know the answer...

    Will the 650b 150mm option have optimized BB height and geometry?
    And will Ibis be offering this version as a complete bike?
    or does this remain more of a homebrew hack that's not officially endorsed/optimized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    Will the 650b 150mm option have optimized BB height and geometry?
    And will Ibis be offering this version as a complete bike?
    or does this remain more of a homebrew hack that's not officially endorsed/optimized?
    We will post the geometry for the 650b 150 when we get a chance. The angles and clearances are OK, the BB is higher than we would have liked, but we also realized that a lot of people have set their bikes up this way and love them. Also, that higher BBs work better in some instances.

    We're thinking that dropper posts are making it so BB height is not as influential on the ride as it used to be with fixed posts. The fact that the BB is about .3 - .5" higher than we would normally make it is pretty irrelevant when your dropper post has 5" of travel and most people drop them for hard cornering, jumps, drops etc.

    The 650b 150 is built the same as the HDR in 160 mode, but with a 5mm travel reduction spacer installed in the shock. We are looking into stocking them for people who want to run the bikes set up this way. It is a simple inexpensive part.

    This configuration got it's start with MTBR members hacking the HD! We're not sure if we will leave it as is (consumer mod) or make it a standard option. The main reason is that we have not checked out the exact amount of shock stroke reduction needed to keep the larger tires out there from rubbing the back of the seat tube. The tire sizes are all over the place. Some are way bigger than the stated size would indicate. We've allowed enough clearance for most of the tires people use on the 130 set up, but haven't done all the checking on the 150 set up with huge tires. That's why we suggest bottoming the suspension with the air let out to check tire clearance, (and see if you need a larger spacer) if you run 150.

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    Hans - Did the BB height change for the HDR from that of a consumer modified HD at 150mm 650B fork/ HD140 chips?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We will post the geometry for the 650b 150 when we get a chance. The angles and clearances are OK, the BB is higher than we would have liked, but we also realized that a lot of people have set their bikes up this way and love them. Also, that higher BBs work better in some instances.

    We're thinking that dropper posts are making it so BB height is not as influential on the ride as it used to be with fixed posts. The fact that the BB is about .3 - .5" higher than we would normally make it is pretty irrelevant when your dropper post has 5" of travel and most people drop them for hard cornering, jumps, drops etc.

    The 650b 150 is built the same as the HDR in 160 mode, but with a 5mm travel reduction spacer installed in the shock. We are looking into stocking them for people who want to run the bikes set up this way. It is a simple inexpensive part.

    This configuration got it's start with MTBR members hacking the HD! We're not sure if we will leave it as is (consumer mod) or make it a standard option. The main reason is that we have not checked out the exact amount of shock stroke reduction needed to keep the larger tires out there from rubbing the back of the seat tube. The tire sizes are all over the place. Some are way bigger than the stated size would indicate. We've allowed enough clearance for most of the tires people use on the 130 set up, but haven't done all the checking on the 150 set up with huge tires. That's why we suggest bottoming the suspension with the air let out to check tire clearance, (and see if you need a larger spacer) if you run 150.
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    Thanks Hans - helpful as always..
    Also noticed that the HDR 650b build comes with a 140mm fox 34, are these internally shimmed? - could I raise it to 160mm if I wanted to to bump up the rear travel?


    Not sure I follow the dropper post logic, wouldn't a pre-dropper post rider have their seat lowered (manually) anyway in a technical cornering situation where BB height comes into play?

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    Quote Originally Posted by das recht View Post
    Hans:

    Can you confirm that the geo is the same as the regular HD160 if you use the 26" wheels?
    Yes, it is.
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    I think there will be plenty of people wanting a retrofit rear triangle - to give more tyre options.

    I'll take one in white please

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    The HDR swingarm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
    Yet.
    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance.
    Outstanding! Count me in on this update too.

    The HD's flexibility is one of the things drew me in to that bike to begin with. The ability to run 140mm and now a "refined" retrofit for 650b (even though you could somewhat do it before) makes this bike one of the most flexible platforms on the market. Really, really nice options.

    Thanks and looking forward to the swingarm. I personally am excited about this news.

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    Hans,
    Please sign me up for a retrofit swing arm size medium in black!

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    baltik

    bb height affects ground clearance and the center of gravity of the ride. A low center of gravity is crucial in descents, jumps and technical cornering. This is much more effectively achieved by dropping your seat post by 5in. than by lowering bb height a fraction of an inch and compromising ground clearance. I hope this helps. m



    Quote Originally Posted by baltik View Post
    Thanks Hans - helpful as always..
    Also noticed that the HDR 650b build comes with a 140mm fox 34, are these internally shimmed? - could I raise it to 160mm if I wanted to to bump up the rear travel?


    Not sure I follow the dropper post logic, wouldn't a pre-dropper post rider have their seat lowered (manually) anyway in a technical cornering situation where BB height comes into play?

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    So compared to the Bronson........
    Less travel
    Weight?
    Chainstay length?
    Head angle?
    BB height?

    A few guys at my shop got carbon Bronsons recently and love'em. it seems like the most obvious current competitor to the HDR650.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsxtc View Post
    I'm assuming that you will be offering the retro swingarm in the older paint scheme (e.g., Vitamin P, White, Black)?
    Current plan is to make them black and include top mount vinyl decals in all the colors to work with the HD front triangle color schemes.

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    Nice. Are you taking orders yet on the retro swing arm (I expect a long line)?

    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    Current plan is to make them black and include top mount vinyl decals in all the colors to work with the HD front triangle color schemes.
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    We'll make a good size batch and announce when they are ready. No need to pre-order.
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    So I currently have an HD140 . . . just trying to figure out . . . what would be the advantage of getting a retrofitted HDR rear triangle, besides getting additional clearance to run 650b tires in 130/150mm mode? Is it significantly stiffer/lighter or would the pedaling dynamics change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacarbon View Post
    So I currently have an HD140 . . . just trying to figure out . . . what would be the advantage of getting a retrofitted HDR rear triangle, besides getting additional clearance to run 650b tires in 130/150mm mode? Is it significantly stiffer/lighter or would the pedaling dynamics change?
    It would be the same other than the things you pointed out plus more chain clearance and a bit lighter.

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    Hans-

    What's Ibis' stance on running the HD-R 130mm 650b in back, 160mm 650b up front.

    If I'm getting an HD-R and want to switch between the two modes, I won't have any money left over for another fork...

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    A Talus 150 130 might be a nice set up. 160 w 130 in the back would be pretty slack / good for DH, but not so great on flat corners and climbing.

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    I'm on the fence. Up until last week I was going with a Bronson then all the teaser pics starting rolling out. Being a former Mojo HD owner (regret selling it). I was hoping for it to be a dedicated HD 650B 150mm+ bike. I look forward to seeing some pics of rear tire clearance of the HDR in 650/150mm mode. Most interested in seeing the pics show Schwalbe NN and Hans tires.

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    It's not that I am not happy with my new HD, but still - it is not fear... Originally ordered black HD in beg. of May, when later importer admitted that there was a mistake and none are in stock at Ibis of my size (if I would just knew why...). Made a small sacrifice for a custom build and switched to white. Shipment was somewhere lost, frame got delayed by two weeks... Eventually got it 1.5 weeks ago with just a few rides, and now those news... I will probably have to find additional motivation to enjoy my new/old bike But it is still a fun bike and I'm just moaning PS. If I would just waited a couple of weeks

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    Hans,

    Great work on a really versitile frame, loved my HD, Love my Ripley.

    Would really love a HD Ripley 140mm...sorry have to ask...
    oh yeah I figured out the specs to make it easier on you.

    24" TT in large
    45" wheelbase
    68 degree head angle with 150mm pike
    6lbs frame, 1lbs of extra beef for stiffness
    same form as the current frame just beefed up a bit.

    Sorry, Ok back to the HDR wrangling!

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    Hans -- Do you expect to have an option for the Float X rear shock once it becomes available?

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    For a few hundred dollars you can get it wet sanded and painted professionally. My HD is 2 years old and white. Not much white left. I'm looking to repaint, and go for a new swingarm when they become available

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    Hans, when will the 650b limbo chips come available to purchase?

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    Hans, can you run 3x10 gearing on the HDR?

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    Does the HDR have a 140mm option like the HD or does it only change to 130mm for 650b?

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