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    MOJO HD retrofit swingarm coming!!!

    Hans posted this in the "new ibis" thread on page 11, this DEFINITELY needs it's own thread...

    Retrofit to HD
    The HDR swing arm does not directly retrofit on to the HD.
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    In addition to adding a bunch more tire clearance, we offset the link attachment points to get more clearance for FD and ISCG. We are planning on making some retrofit swing arms for people would want to put them on HDs. It will be several months away before we can do it, maybe around the end of the year, but we're planning on it. It is a 2mm shift in the suspension pivot tubes, so we can make a special run of swing arms for retrofit. Then you'd have more tire and chain clearance. Hans
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    I'm assuming this swingarm means 11 speed compatible and much better tire clearance for 650's .. I want one now!! haha.. honestly though.. this is why I own an ibis, and why I'm thinking of buying another (ripley)!! I guess it'll come down to price for the updated swingarms for me.. significantly cheaper than new HDR frame? hopefully.. I can't wait!
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    I can see many more years and miles on my HD.

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    Yeah!!
    Thats great news. I'm in on that! Thanks Guys!

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    I'm surprised at all the excitement over the rear triangle retrofit. Until today, I never heard much complaining from people riding converted HDs about rear triangle clearance. More clearance is always better, but I thought most folks were getting by just fine on 2.25 snakeskin Hans Dampfs and similar options.

    I don't know how much the new triangles will cost, but I doubt they'll be cheap enough to be worth it to me anytime soon. I'm much more eager to trade my 26" fork than I am to trade my rear triangle, because the front is where I miss having a big tire.

    Am I the only one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBike View Post
    Am I the only one?
    The moment you get a fork with ample clearance for large 650b tires, you will begin to lust for larger tires in the rear as well. I experienced this, I switched from Lyrik to Vengeance and all the new meaty tires are now mighty tempting. Hans Dampf 2.25 Snake Skin is about the largest tire that fits in the HD safely but I have already had bad experience with it when it ruptured in one of the seams. I have had bad experience with Schwalbe tires lately and there is little there available from other manufacturers that I like and that would work in the HD. Even larger 2.25s like the Ardent, Grip'r (my experience) or Wolverine are pretty much a no-no, a week on the 2.25 Grip'r on wet and sandy trails caused serious mayhem to my swing arm (my bad). The HD is a superb AM machine so not being able to run true AM tires is, well, sucky. After my failed Grip'r experiment, I am switching back to Neo Moto 2.3.

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    I guess that's the biggest thing for me. Want to still be able to run a 2.4 tire through mud an not have to destroy my swing arm. It will definitely come down to price... I mean, if it's 1000 for a new rear triangle.. I"ll say screw it, not worth it. At that point you could just sell the HD frame an put the money towards a new HDR if your really that bent on goin 650b. For me, I'm looking at building up a ripley for xc, so, if the new swingarm is on the ridongculous side price wise, I'll just keep the HD as my AM/FR rig in 26"... But I'm staying positive that Ibis will offer the new swingarm to existing HD owners at a somewhat reasonable pricepoint...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    The moment you get a fork with ample clearance for large 650b tires, you will begin to lust for larger tires in the rear as well. I experienced this, I switched from Lyrik to Vengeance and all the new meaty tires are now mighty tempting.
    Well, you might be right. We'll see how much it costs and what 2.35 tires it can clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Hans Dampf 2.25 Snake Skin is about the largest tire that fits in the HD safely but I have already had bad experience with it when it ruptured in one of the seams.
    My 2.25 HD has been solid so far. I burped a RaRa in the rocks at a super D, that's the closest thing to a gripe I've got with Schwalbe this season.

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    A new rear triangle for the tranny is $350.

    Anybody fit a 650b 2.35 Hans Dampf or NN on a Fox 34 160?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Hans Dampf 2.25 Snake Skin is about the largest tire that fits in the HD safely but I have already had bad experience with it when it ruptured in one of the seams. I have had bad experience with Schwalbe tires lately and there is little there available from other manufacturers that I like and that would work in the HD. Even larger 2.25s like the Ardent, Grip'r (my experience) or Wolverine are pretty much a no-no, a week on the 2.25 Grip'r on wet and sandy trails caused serious mayhem to my swing arm (my bad). The HD is a superb AM machine so not being able to run true AM tires is, well, sucky. After my failed Grip'r experiment, I am switching back to Neo Moto 2.3.
    I originally built my HD with a 2.25 Ardent in the rear and ran it for an entire season (over 500 miles) with no problems. I have also run a 2.3 purgatory, 2.3 conti, and other 2.3s without a problem. I ride all sorts of conditions & weigh about 155, & like to ride the rear shock fairly plush. Are there other factors that limit the clearance? Is it possible there is an issue that is limiting your clearance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyno View Post
    I originally built my HD with a 2.25 Ardent in the rear and ran it for an entire season (over 500 miles) with no problems. I have also run a 2.3 purgatory, 2.3 conti, and other 2.3s without a problem. I ride all sorts of conditions & weigh about 155, & like to ride the rear shock fairly plush. Are there other factors that limit the clearance? Is it possible there is an issue that is limiting your clearance?
    Are we talking about 650b tires? Ardent 2.25 has been out for a few months only now, Spesh or Conti 650b tires either do not exist or are very fresh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Are we talking about 650b tires? Ardent 2.25 has been out for a few months only now, Spesh or Conti 650b tires either do not exist or are very fresh.
    Sorry - I'm an idiot! - that's what I get for just browsing a thread instead of reading it thoroughly - I was originally browsing the thread to learn about the potential for compatibility of the new swingarm with 1x11 so wasn't even thinking 27.5", then when I came across those statements I was thinking "mine works fine with plenty of clearance, why are others having these issues?" , but now it makes sense - I'm running 26" - scratch it from the record!

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    Heheh no worries, we kind took the Ibis forum by storm in the past two days. Happy days indeed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    I'm assuming this swingarm means 11 speed compatible and much better tire clearance for 650's .. I want one now!! haha.. honestly though.. this is why I own an ibis, and why I'm thinking of buying another (ripley)!! I guess it'll come down to price for the updated swingarms for me.. significantly cheaper than new HDR frame? hopefully.. I can't wait!
    I wish Hans of Ibis can produce the retrofit swing arm much earlier, hundreds of hd owners are very much eager to try 27.5 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geeze6700 View Post
    A new rear triangle for the tranny is $350.

    Anybody fit a 650b 2.35 Hans Dampf or NN on a Fox 34 160?
    Keen to hear about the 34 clearence also...

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    I'm tempted for this new retrofit triangle too. But the idea of saving 0.3-0.4 lbs is nice too. Dang. And i JUST put on new $60 meats on the HD too.
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    Is the new swingarm also 26" compatible? or only 650b? I'm curious about 650b, but not enough to buy a new fork, a new shock, new rims and tires. I wouldn't mind the added clearance for my current 26" tires though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slyfink View Post
    Is the new swingarm also 26" compatible? or only 650b? I'm curious about 650b, but not enough to buy a new fork, a new shock, new rims and tires. I wouldn't mind the added clearance for my current 26" tires though.
    The new swing arm will offer exactly the same geometry as the current one so it will work with 26" wheels just fine. Thanks to a slightly different design, it will be a little lighter with more space for 650b (and large 26") tires.

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    The Ardent 2.25 650B fix just fine in the back of the HD, and have plenty of room especially when compared to the really fat tires, though on hucks or big G-Outs when the rear shock pressure is low, the tire will hit the seat tube. Big tires like the NN 2.35 and Vee Rubber Trail Taker fit poorly (usually need to be deflated to install), and can cause issues if they pick up mud, etc., and you'll quickly scrape away paint and a small layer of carbon fiber. Big tires rule, especially if you like to ride AM, and it's tough to go back to medium size ones. There isn't any issue with any 650B tires fitting in the fork if you are using a 650B fork

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    Spike w Tom at ibis today: they are way too busy with getting the hdrs out to be worried about the retrofit. The only real reason for the upgrade is tire clearance as the 650 still needs to be in 140 mode just as it is in the HDR. Then he explained to me a scary thing that happens when you play with a shorter shock and it causes the suspension pivot to move over the top (12 o'clock) backwards causing catastrophic failure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deofour View Post
    Spike w Tom at ibis today: they are way too busy with getting the hdrs out to be worried about the retrofit. The only real reason for the upgrade is tire clearance as the 650 still needs to be in 140 mode just as it is in the HDR. Then he explained to me a scary thing that happens when you play with a shorter shock and it causes the suspension pivot to move over the top (12 o'clock) backwards causing catastrophic failure.
    Yeah, I neved liked the idea of retrofitting parts that weren't made for the intended purpose in the first place. Too many things that can go wrong. I'm really disappointed that Ibis didn't do the 650b AM HD/HDR frame right; from the ground up. A totally redesigned 650-specific frame would be a huge success from an already successful legend - the HD.
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    Ibis mojo hd retrofit swing arm

    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    Yeah, I neved liked the idea of retrofitting parts that weren't made for the intended purpose in the first place. Too many things that can go wrong. I'm really disappointed that Ibis didn't do the 650b AM HD/HDR frame right; from the ground up. A totally redesigned 650-specific frame would be a huge success from an already successful legend - the HD.
    As an ibis mojo hd owner I agree that hd was a legend, but I am still hopeful ibis Scot and Hans will come out with better conversion to 650b effectively at less cost as possible. We don't want to sacrifice our bikes of self conversion that will damage flawless ness of hd. Let's be patient.

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    Any update on this or has it been shelved?

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    I think I'll wait for a true 650b Ibis to be honest. HDR isn't in my opinion.

    I'll rock my HD for a few years when it all settles down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie_MTB View Post
    Any update on this or has it been shelved?
    I suspect Ibis is just now starting to get a handle on HDR orders and we won't see the replacement triangles until after they've shipped all waiting HDR orders out. I'd guess January.
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    Really hope they do this, go ibis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We are still shooting for year end. We will probably build to order and paint them to match the original colors and graphics 1:1 with the orders.
    We'll post here when we are ready to take orders with a webstore listing and go from there.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    We are still shooting for year end. We will probably build to order and paint them to match the original colors and graphics 1:1 with the orders.
    We'll post here when we are ready to take orders with a webstore listing and go from there.


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    Will the new rear triangles be compatible with Mojo SL frames to run 650b?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael1 View Post
    Will the new rear triangles be compatible with Mojo SL frames to run 650b?
    Same question. Seems like a long shot but I'd get one...

    Love my Mojo SL 650b, but the clearance is SO tight back there that I'm constantly concerned about it when riding. Would be nice to not have to worry about it.

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    Hans was any of the weight reduction on the HDR in the rear triangle with the thought that the forthcoming retrofit triangle MIGHT reduce the weight on the HD...even if it is a few grams? I imagine most of the HDR weight reduction was in the frame itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael1 View Post
    Will the new rear triangles be compatible with Mojo SL frames to run 650b?
    fairly certain the HD/Retrofit HD rear isnt compatible with the C/SL/SLR frames

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    time to move on...I loved my original Mojo and multiple SL's but it's hard to believe there'd be much of a market for people to invest in 650b updates for those frames. I've also owned an SL-R (now have HD and Ripley) and it's simply amazing how much better the HD works than the SL...not just stiffer / better tracking while descending...I swear it pedals better than the SL. If I owned an SL and wanted to get to 650b land...I'd sell it and get an HDR.

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    Hans any update or spec's?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by riderup View Post
    I've also owned an SL-R (now have HD and Ripley) and it's simply amazing how much better the HD works than the SL...not just stiffer / better tracking while descending...I swear it pedals better than the SL.
    yeah I went of a C to the HD and also found it climbs better even with a fox 36 160 up front, and is SOOOO much more fun downhill (which I expected). Wasn't much heavier even with a burly AM build, so selling the original mojo was a no brainer 2 years ago.

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    Hans, Will we be able to run piggy back shocks on the HD (fitted with retrofit HDR swingarm) in 27.5 mode?

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    Here's a link to the retrofit swingarm order page for those who have been waiting:

    Mojo HD Retrofit Swingarm for 650b/27.5" wheel conversion ? Ibis Cycles Online Store

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    ordered. anyone want to buy a white 26" rear triangle? ;-)

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    Ordered :-)

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    So I am going to order this either way. But it sounds like I will still have to space my
    8.5 x 2.5 rear shock down to about 150mm but I will have better tire clearance.

    Or purchase the limbo chips and another shock..............
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    Ordered. White is just so clean!
    Fantastic stuff as always from Ibis

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    Shipping!!!! Now the big question is which tire to try back there? Purgatory? Nobby nic? TK? High Roller?
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    Quote Originally Posted by budgie View Post
    Shipping!!!! Now the big question is which tire to try back there? Purgatory? Nobby nic? TK? High Roller?
    Thanks budgie,

    The first shipment of HD retrofit swingarms have arrived and we have started shipping them.

    The second (and final) shipment will arrive and ship out in 2-3 weeks.

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    Year! Only need to get my Derby wheels from my builder!

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    Must be a second shipment guy. The wait is going to be brutal.

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    Anyone get their retrofit swingarms yet? Let's see some pics of the added tire clearance!!!!
    I didn't jump on the bandwagon soon enough and am supposedly 18th on the waitlist. Now that I potentially can't have one I really really want it!!

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    One thing that wasn't discussed or mentioned on the order page, is what if you have the original HD (135x12) without the added seat clearance - seems like you wouldn't be able to go 27.5 even with that new swing arm as the seat tube would be the limiting factor, not the triangle ?

    not really considering it given the cost of new rear triangle, new wheel, new tire and new shock and loosing travel to top it off... front I may try as I got a new fork (Pike 27.5) for other reason.

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    The seat tube would just limit the amount of travel/amount of spacers you'd need if I recall correctly, the v1 HD should still fit the swing arm as it design is primarily to increase tire clearance at the BB. BTW is there a list that shows where we are in the shipping order?

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    Got Mine!

    MOJO HD retrofit swingarm coming!!!-new_mojo_hd_swingarm.jpg

    Sorry for the tease. No time to compare tire clearances yet. Maybe tomorrow.

    I must say I'm impressed with the kit. Includes Maxle, extra zip ties, bottle of touch up paint, derailleur hanger, and chainstay protector.

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