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    Hey guys, mine arrived last night







    The swingarm molding is insane:



    I can't believe how gorgeous this bike is. I was originally on the fence between white and vit p, and am so glad I went with this color. It's a very pretty tennis ball yellow in direct sun, but the green comes out in the shadows. It looks super trick.



    Spec is pretty much the X9 bike with 160mm 36 Talas, DHX, and Elixir CRs. My Heim2, Turbocharger, and 36t ring should be here this week, KS i950r as soon as they're not backordered. Recommendations on a light 2.5 tire for the front? Otherwise just gotta chop that steerer low and she's good to go. Don't have a scale to put it on, but it is noticeably lighter than my Heckler (DUC32, DHX coil, X9) when picking them up. Thrash report in a few days.

    I need to give huge props to Avi and the dudes at Wrench Science for making this bike happen for me. There's some negativity about WS above me in this thread, but I can't imagine receiving better customer service from a shop, online or otherwise. Avi kept me well informed on the status of my frame's arrival, phoned Ibis more than once at my urging, hooked me up with a suspension upgrade, and rushed my ride to me even more quickly than anticipated. I mean, serial #00012 means there really aren't a lot of these bikes around. I doubt that I would have this one right now if I'd tried to get it elsewhere, especially since I put my order in a month to the day before receiving my bike. The WS crew kill it for sure, and I will be stoked when I have the chance to buy another bike from them.

    Ibis makes the sickest bikes I've ever seen, I'm so stoked that this one's mine. I'll let you know how it rides, but I bet I like it a lot

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    Man, that IS good looking!
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    That vit p is definately sweet looking, i kind of figured the green would come out in the shadows. Cant wait to get mine but im losing faith in it being anytime soon - how the heck did you get the frame so quick, 30 day wait?!

    Im beginning to think the UK orders are definately lower down the priority list here, UK distributors have no idea when the next hd's are coming.

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    Maxle Rear?...

    Ok, quick question regarding the 12x135mm maxle rear end. Does this limit the wheels I am looking at for my HD? I have no experience with this axle as I have always had QR rear. Can all wheels be converted to this rear axle? I have been looking at Crossmax ST, SunRingle Charger Pro and Easton Havoc AM. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    Ok, quick question regarding the 12x135mm maxle rear end. Does this limit the wheels I am looking at for my HD? I have no experience with this axle as I have always had QR rear. Can all wheels be converted to this rear axle? I have been looking at Crossmax ST, SunRingle Charger Pro and Easton Havoc AM. Thanks.
    Go with the new Easton Haven's! They are available with a maxle rear and are super light, wide, and strong!

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    I had looked at the Havens but have a 20mm front axle (Fox Talas fork). I really want a lightweight but durable all mountain wheel set (who doesn't right!). Any suggestions are welcomed. Also, is the new SRAM XX group a good choice for the Mojo HD? Is it too XC (weak?). I am 5'7" 165lbs and ride somewhat aggressive. I'm not hitting 20' drops, but don't shy away from the jump park or rock gardens at speed. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    I had looked at the Havens but have a 20mm front axle (Fox Talas fork). I really want a lightweight but durable all mountain wheel set (who doesn't right!). Any suggestions are welcomed. Also, is the new SRAM XX group a good choice for the Mojo HD? Is it too XC (weak?). I am 5'7" 165lbs and ride somewhat aggressive. I'm not hitting 20' drops, but don't shy away from the jump park or rock gardens at speed. Thanks.
    Ok, first the wheels. The 12mm rear axle is not available for all wheelsets. You have to look for those which are compatible with this standard. Think of it as the 20mm front, the rear axle comes with the HD, guess it's Rock Shox's. The Havens are compatible with the 12mm rear, but the the Havocs aren't, the rear hub doesn't have enough space to be converted. Ibis offers the Iodines, and if they are as good as the Cobalts, they would be my weapon (in this case, wheelset!) of choice. I'm using the Cobalts for a couple months now and they are strong. Guess the STs are not compatible, but I haven't checked it, but the Crossmax SX are. A good way to go is also assembling a wheelset from the start, Hope and CK hubs are awesome and Flows, 819s and EX500s are all strong rims. The Flows and EX500 are lighter, but the 819 is UST (Flows can go tubeless too).

    Now concerning the groupset, I wouldn't go XX. It is still too limited (you can only go with 28-42 crankset and the XX cassette is not compatible with the Cobalt hubs, so I assume it's not with Iodine's as well) and a bit too XC-ish for the HD, I think. If you want to go lighter, the 3x9 X-0 or XTR is still the best choice. Maybe if SRAM make a 26-39 FD that is compatible with the HD, but right now I'd go with the most common sets and wait a bit before jump into the 2x10 wagon. I say that, because we tried the XX and we found it not compatible with the Cobalts, so we reported it to Hans, which asked Sean to test it and then he informed us that they had the same problem with the XX cassette not fitting Cobalt hub and the chain rubbing the frame. Also, we couldn't run the 26-39 due FD issues - the Mojo is only compatible with the 28-42.

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    Wow. Great information. Thanks. I know the Havens are spec'd for 15mm front axle, can this (or my fork) be converted to work? Was there a particular model Flow rim you were referring to? Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    Wow. Great information. Thanks. I know the Havens are spec'd for 15mm front axle, can this (or my fork) be converted to work? Was there a particular model Flow rim you were referring to? Thanks again.
    I suppose you can find info about the Havens at www.eastonbike.com. I really don't recall if they are 15mm only, but I guess not, guess they will work with 20mm as well, like the Havocs. According to Easton, on an email reply, the Havens are 12mm compatible due to the new rear hub. The Havocs can't be converted.

    The ZTR Flows are made by No Tubes (www.notubes.com) and they are 28mm wide and very strong, yet very light at only 470g. I built a set with them and Hope Pro2 hubs front and rear, which are convertible to every standard, and DT Swiss Comp spokes. The wheelset is nearly undestructible and they came at only 1900g the set.

    If you want lighter without compromising strenght, then the Mavics SX and the DT Swiss Ex1750 may be what you want. They weight under 1800g and they are pretty burly. The Fulcrums are in the spotlight now, they are costy, but they are said to be just as good.

    For the fork question, you can't convert from 15QR to 20mm and vice versa. For the HD, the recommended light/strong fork (and the one I'm going with) is the 2011 36 Float 160. It weighs a hair over 2kg. Guess you can't go lighter for such fork and travel.

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    Thanks. After researching the Havens, they are coming out with a 20mm version. Unfortunately, they are matched with carbon rims for $2300! Wow. Nice rims but maybe a little much for me. I was trying to stay around 1700 grams for the wheels without giving up too much strength. The 20mm front and 12x135mm rear are really narrowing down that field! Custom wheels might have to be it. I have the 2011 Fox Talas 160mm on order now. Was having a hard time deciding between that and the Float. Figured for the minimal weight difference, I have the travel options. Still trying to figure out WHEN they are going to finalize the matte black HD frame. Guess the last word was they couldn't quite get the graphics right? Not really sure what that means since I saw a picture of one on singlecrown.com...Trying to get together all my parts for when it does arrive. The wheel decision is a tough one so far. Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    Thanks. After researching the Havens, they are coming out with a 20mm version. Unfortunately, they are matched with carbon rims for $2300! Wow. Nice rims but maybe a little much for me. I was trying to stay around 1700 grams for the wheels without giving up too much strength. The 20mm front and 12x135mm rear are really narrowing down that field! Custom wheels might have to be it. I have the 2011 Fox Talas 160mm on order now. Was having a hard time deciding between that and the Float. Figured for the minimal weight difference, I have the travel options. Still trying to figure out WHEN they are going to finalize the matte black HD frame. Guess the last word was they couldn't quite get the graphics right? Not really sure what that means since I saw a picture of one on singlecrown.com...Trying to get together all my parts for when it does arrive. The wheel decision is a tough one so far. Thanks again.
    If you can possibly wait just a bit longer, I believe the aluminum havens will be optioned with the 20mm thru axle as well

    Iodines look cool i fyou're into the look, but they're heavy and have those silly proprietary spokes, no thanks!

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    The grey Iodines or the Crossmax SX would match your black HD perfectly!

    But if you choose the DIY way, I recomend going for the Hope Pro2/ ZTR Flow combo. Have been using them for big events on my Mojo SL and they can handle a punch, so they will probably go on the HD late this year. Just to mention, I'm also running Havocs on my Pitch (which I spec'ed more as a mini-DH bike) but I had the same desapointment as you when Easton said they couldn't be converted to 12mm rear, this set is simply bomb proof.

    And Industry 9 has some decent Enduro wheelsets, and they are very light. Definitely worth checking!

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    Can someone with a large and medium HD measure their seatpost length please? Is it exactly 17" and 19" long?

    It would also be great if you can post a picture with a saddle to center BB setting of 29" (73-74cm).
    This would be helpful for me. Thanks!

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    Forgot to order CC conversion crown race (HD1406) for Wotan . Now I am just waiting if Jenson can deliver it to Finland. None in my knowledge in Europe

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    That HD looks bigger than your Mojo. Why did you go with a bigger frame, if that's the case?

    Anyway, the frame alone is amazing. Congratulations!

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    Been researching wheels all day. I think you are right. A custom build with the Hope hubs and Flows seem like the ticket. Not too expensive either! Gonna try Formula "The One" brakes as well. Unless anyone has had bad experiences with them? Next dilema is Travativ Noir carbon cranks or XTR? It doesn's specify bottom bracket size on the Ibis website (or I didn't see it). Anyone have info on this?

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    Did you find the "Hope Hoops" deal on chainreactioncycles.com ? That's where I got mine, and I've been happy with the build quality over the past year or so of riding.

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    Prowheelbuilder.com Wheels came in under $600! Anyone have experience between Formula "The Ones" vs. Formula R1 brakes? Gonna buy one or the other, just not sure if the R1 is up to the "all mountain" task. Checking reviews now but any input is appreciated.

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    You mean either standard or BB30? The BB is standard if it's what you asking. I used both the XTR and the Noir, and they are both amazing cranks. Maybe the only noticiable difference is the front shifting, that with the XTR seems smoother and with the Noir seems crispier.

    But from what you saying, your build will be awesome! Pics as soon as you get it done, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    Prowheelbuilder.com Wheels came in under $600! Anyone have experience between Formula "The Ones" vs. Formula R1 brakes? Gonna buy one or the other, just not sure if the R1 is up to the "all mountain" task. Checking reviews now but any input is appreciated.
    That's expensive! Mine were $380 shipped, and it looks like the price has dropped since.

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/M...?ModelID=40780

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    That HD looks bigger than your Mojo. Why did you go with a bigger frame, if that's the case?

    Anyway, the frame alone is amazing. Congratulations!
    Both are XL frames. It is just composition and camera lens that makes the difference. I have been riding that standard Mojo from 2007. To your knowledge I measured the weights of both frames. Mojo 2820g and HD 2975g
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    That can't be only 155 grams? And its not even an SL? Somethings not right I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Holding
    Prowheelbuilder.com Wheels came in under $600! Anyone have experience between Formula "The Ones" vs. Formula R1 brakes? Gonna buy one or the other, just not sure if the R1 is up to the "all mountain" task. Checking reviews now but any input is appreciated.

    I upgraded to "the Ones" on my classic Ibis last year. When I sold in in preparation for the HD it was the only part I kept! I also have the RX's, but have not tried the R1's. Would definitely recommend the Ones if you ever do lift riding or shuttles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody
    That can't be only 155 grams? And its not even an SL? Somethings not right I think.
    I weighted them with Berkley fishing scale FS50 which has been very accurate in the past.

    From Ibiscycles website: "Weight for the frame (HD) and shock, size large: 6.3 lbs, 2.86Kg". So difference between L (according to Ibis) and my XL is 115g.

    Maybe I made something wrong. Maybe Hans can confirm the weight difference?

    I had Frameskins in Mojo. Maybe them add some weight to frame.
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    Guess you are about right MPI. My SL frame came at even 2450g for a size M, so your HD frame is about 525g heavier, which confirms the estimate extra pound over the SL. That is sounding pretty ok to me.

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    my XL Mojo SL came in at 5.75 pounds. Numbers don't match up

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    Remember that paint can account for some of the weight difference, at least on the SL where the carbon matte will be lighter than any other color.

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    MPI sorry to ask but what are your details/measurements height and wieght for you to go for the XL frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR THE THUNDERGOD
    MPI sorry to ask but what are your details/measurements height and wieght for you to go for the XL frame.
    I am 189cm (6,2) and inseam 90cm (35,4).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI
    I weighted them with Berkley fishing scale FS50 which has been very accurate in the past.

    From Ibiscycles website: "Weight for the frame (HD) and shock, size large: 6.3 lbs, 2.86Kg". So difference between L (according to Ibis) and my XL is 115g.
    If given the proportions between the XL and L, and if a size M was around 100-110 lighter than the size L, then a Medium HD would come to 2750g, what would be only 300g heavier than my size M SL! Wow, that's really amazing!
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    the ibis web site says it will take a 180 mm fork, I am considering the talas 180/140 any ideas on how that will work?

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    Based on my experiences with both the TALAS 36 and Van 36 from previous years, I'd choose the Van 36 160mm for an AM-build Mojo HD or the 180mm Van for a DH Mojo HD. The Van does a better job of smoothing out the trail in my opinion, and I'd gladly sacrifice travel adjust for that. But if you feel like travel adjust would have be very useful for your riding style and the trails you ride, the new TALAS 36 seems to be a pretty solid option.

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    I'm between 180mm Float and 180mm Van. I really like coil feel with my current RS Lyrik and I'm wondering how new 36Float would feel. Has anyone tried that? Any thoughts?

    -L

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    I haven't tried the 2011 forks yet, but I've consistenly liked the Van 36 better in past years because it's smoother.

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    whats the gearing on this/ can you help

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    1x9, single ring up front, 9 speed casette in the rear

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    ye i know its 1 by 9..ratios?

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    How is anyone going to know by looking at a picture? And whats this have to do with pics of a new HD? Rear cassette looks like a 34-11, why does it matter anyway, do you need help figuring out what gearing to run?

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    Thats Lopes bike that featured in a UK mag a while back. Unless changed I believe it was 32 up front with an 11 34 on the rear. Setup to run really quiet and still be able to do tough XC Lopes. Remember Brian is not "normal" when it comes to pedalling. For most of us one of the new 12-36 blocks would be a safer bet

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    Anymore HD ride reports? It's been a while since I've seen one, and you guys have got to be out there riding this weekend.

    I need some stoke while I'm waiting for mine to get built up! ;-)

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    I got mine together last weekend. First ride yesterday. Short report;
    -frame is significantly stiffer than regular Mojo (which I have been riding 3 years)
    -behaves much more stable in descends than Mojo (like a freight train, in positive sense)
    -climbs as well as Mojo
    -MRP bash works well with Shimano Saint short gage

    I will tell more later then I get chance.

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    MPI, is your fork a Lyrik with a small mud flap or a Magura? How do you like the angles for general riding compared to the Mojo? What is your gear ratio, cassette and crank, on your 1x9 setup and how is it working for you?

    Beautiful Bike. Maybe it's the clean look of the frame, but now the Mojo is sexier than ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    MPI, is your fork a Lyrik with a small mud flap or a Magura? How do you like the angles for general riding compared to the Mojo? What is your gear ratio, cassette and crank, on your 1x9 setup and how is it working for you?
    Fork is Magura Wotan. I like it stiff (a little bit weight penalty though ) I have 34T in front and normal 11-34 in rear. Suits better than normal 32T for my type of riding. Lower steering angle is just fine for me. I have to try 70mm stem (which I rode in Mojo) also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI
    I got mine together last weekend. First ride yesterday. Short report;
    -frame is significantly stiffer than regular Mojo (which I have been riding 3 years)
    -behaves much more stable in descends than Mojo (like a freight train, in positive sense)
    -climbs as well as Mojo
    -MRP bash works well with Shimano Saint short gage

    I will tell more later then I get chance.

    Sorry about the crappy pic and dirty bike:
    No need to apologize for dirt! Nice bike. I'm going with the white and blue links also.

    I'm coming from a bit bigger bike, a Turner Highline, which is for sale right now. But I'm betting the HD will be close on the decents, while much better on the climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPI
    I got mine together last weekend. First ride yesterday. Short report;
    -frame is significantly stiffer than regular Mojo (which I have been riding 3 years)
    -behaves much more stable in descends than Mojo (like a freight train, in positive sense)
    -climbs as well as Mojo
    -MRP bash works well with Shimano Saint short gage

    I will tell more later then I get chance.

    Sorry about the crappy pic and dirty bike:
    Nice bike there. What is your gear setup/ratios? Can this MRP bash work in a regular mojo?

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    Hi!

    HD notes after couple of rides:

    IMHO the HD climbs as good as Mojo. I have to adjust my climbing position a little because I use 50mm stem. That RP23 with boost valve it is not as plush as Pushed RP23 in Mojo. I have about 205 psi minimum to avoid it bottoming up. ( I like to pump the bikes rear with feet and trying to ride actively). Descending is fun if you ride the bike actively. You get much better feedback from bike comparing to a Mojo. I think that´s why frame is much stiffer than Mojos That MRP thing is superb.

    Be careful then routing the rear brake hose between seat tube and rear triangle´s "vertical connector bone". You have to adjust free lenght of brake hose in that area very carefully to prevent the hose contacting between upper link and seat tube. If the hose is too long it might tear apart and you loose fluids from hose. So test it before you ride it.

    All in all the HD is like Bikeradar says: "Mojo with Steroids". It is more stable than a Mojo and demands little bit more if you wanna get most out of bike. One thing is sure; it´s truly have a potential. I do not regret my choice to go with HD. It is also sure that there will a lot riders who prefers Mojo or Mojo SL for their riding. ( I have never ridden an SL, so cannot comment much on that).

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    MPI, about the RP23XV, do you think a DHX-A should be considered then?

    And can you say the HD can be complementary to the SL? I was considering selling the SL and go HD all the way, but after your comments I'm considering keeping it and get the HD right away.

    And could you show a closer pic of the rear brake route near the upper link?

    Thanks!

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    Smile My new Mojo HD finally all built up


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    Very nice

    Someone's been a good boy then!

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    Congrats, Visually the 2011 Float is a match made in heaven on the B&W HD, it looks stunning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hose Dragger

    Sick bike man

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    Did you tape up the chainstay before you wrapped the tube over it?
    I read that heat and moisture can cause the clearcoat to go opague.

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    Just for giggles - maybe include the serial number with each pic?

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    Took mine out for the first time yesterday.... It was good.



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    Looks Awesome! How does it handle with the 170mm Lyrik DH?

    I'm trying to find a Coil U-turn and install the DH damper in it, but the U-turns are really hard to find right now. I'm not sure what route I will go if I can't get one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scepticshock
    Looks Awesome! How does it handle with the 170mm Lyrik DH?
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    Pretty well. I had a regular mojo last year and have been riding my SS 29er all spring so the handling seems dramatically different to me. It felt a little floppy, but I think that will be overcome quickly as I get used to the bike.

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    Floppy sensation is gone. Just needed a little viagra... err..... time to get used to things. Handles great.


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    Good to hear! I finally got a coil U-turn coming and will have the DH Damper put in for the ultimate all mountain machine. I'll post pics when I have it built up next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scot Nicol
    If you're one of the lucky few who've received an HD, the custom MRP/Ibis Mini G chainguide is now in the store, right about here.
    We don't have a retrofit kit for the Mojo and Mojo SL yet, but we are working on it. Sorry, no ETA yet.
    Once things settle down a bit, we're also hoping to have some dual ring and other chainguide availability info.


    When is somebody going to design a guide for three-ring bikes? They are definitely needed, I wasn't happy at all about giving up the big ring for the bash but had no real choice, the chain kept coming off on the downs. Now I just spin out and coast.

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    put a bigger middle ring on if you're spinning out.

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    24-36 is what I am using, I suppose I could go to a 40 or even a 42 but thee spread between the two is huge already. something to try though. But seriously, there is a need for a 3 ring chain guide out here because the bikes are now capable climbers as well as descenders. my 2c

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    A 36T chainring combined with the 11T on the cassette should have you covered past 25 MPH if you can hit a fast cadence (according to the Sheldon Brown gear calculator). Do you really need to pedal past that point? Maybe an adjustment in you riding style would solve the issue. I usually stop pedalling and switch between holding an aero position and pumping the terrain as necessary at those speeds. Just an idea. I know that doesn't work for everyone...

    If you really want a 3-ring chain guide and bash, maybe you should try to design one yourself. Turning sweet ideas in to sweeter products is always a good thing IMO. Or maybe one of the new SRAM 2x10 cranks combined with a Blackspire Stinger would do the trick. The XX comes in a 28 x 42 combo. You won't have a bash anymore to protect you leg and chainring though.


    Your post has me very curious about something. My friends on VPP and Maestro bikes seem to have all kinds of trouble keeping chains on the chainrings when riding rough trails unless they put on a Stinger or something similar. Is dropping chains something inherent to dual link suspension designs? I routinely ride rough terrain and go off big drops with my Diamondback Mission (traditional 4 bar). My cranks are the SLX double 22/36/bash without any chain retention devices, but I've only dropped my chain a couple times that I noticed. The FD seems to be enough to keep the chain where it belongs on my bike. Or am I just lucky?

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    I think you are just lucky. The guys I ride with on VPP, single pivot, four bar etc all drop their chains with equal frequency when the going gets rough - except those with chain guides.

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    Here my new Vitamin P !
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    Nice! Have you bought it at the bike festival in Willingen? Or where has this picture been taken?

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    Picked up my HD last week

    Ordered this bike in March and since it was taking so long, was lucky enough to get the 2011 Talas. Rides great and gets me up the trails the Mojo SL did when I was test riding. The new 180mm fork has about the same axle to crown as the 160mm Lyrik, due to the fork extending past the axle and the new crown. Together with the flush headset helps also to keep the HA up.
    Still have not ridden the bike in the 180mm mode but can tell you at 140mm this fork feels stiffer than my Fox 40. Really looking forward to putting the guide and flats on this bike in a couple of weeks once I have everything else dialed in.
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    Now that is a nice one. I'd emulate yours pretty much. GJ.
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    I am dying to know how it rides in 180, I want to go 180 but wish the talas had a 160 stop as well just in case it is to slack?

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    There's a review for the HD at BikeRadar.com. Here's the link: http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...ustom-10-39369

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    There's a review for the HD at BikeRadar.com. Here's the link: http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...ustom-10-39369
    24.6 lbs (sans pedals) on a medium...WOW!!!, and except for the Edge carbon rims and stem, a pretty typical build.

    Does anyone know if these are the '11 Formula Ones? Haven't seen the reach adjusters in any pic before and have some on order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow
    24.6 lbs (sans pedals) on a medium...WOW!!!, and except for the Edge carbon rims and stem, a pretty typical build.

    Does anyone know if these are the '11 Formula Ones? Haven't seen the reach adjusters in any pic before and have some on order.
    Yes, this is the most promising review so far, although a bit too promising, 11,160g is very, VERY light, even without pedals. Can't argue on the spec though, only top of the top stuff - those EDGE rims and cockpit just made me feel pretty sad... Anyway, what matters is the review itself, and that was what I was waiting for. My SL is now for sale!

    On the The Ones, they look pretty much the same as the current version to me, missing only a few extra touches - maybe a different version, FR or DH?



    EDIT: I wonder if the whole spec on the test bike is an "official" kit offered by Ibis. If so, I'm all over it. Bike Radar says: "Ibis delivered our Mojo HD tester with a bevy of high-end optional upgrades, including the aforementioned Joplin 4 seatpost and Edge Composites bar and stem, plus matching Edge AM carbon rims laced to Chris King through-axle hubs, and Shimano's latest Deore XT Dyna-Sys 10-speed group." Hans, do you mind?
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    24.6 must have been a typo because it now says 27.99 which sounds more realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    I wonder if the whole spec on the test bike is an "official" kit offered by Ibis. If so, I'm all over it. Bike Radar says: "Ibis delivered our Mojo HD tester with a bevy of high-end optional upgrades, including the aforementioned Joplin 4 seatpost and Edge Composites bar and stem, plus matching Edge AM carbon rims laced to Chris King through-axle hubs, and Shimano's latest Deore XT Dyna-Sys 10-speed group." Hans, do you mind?
    I saw that too so called to inquire, nope, the Edge stuff is not a spec upgrade on their build kits, they are not carrying any Edge components.

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    Aren't they like $2300?
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    If that were my bike, I would wish I had died in the crash. That is an expensive breakage.

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    I'm pretty sure that's a Canfield Jedi. No surprise that a carbon AM rim ended up getting trashed on a bike like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody
    my XL Mojo SL came in at 5.75 pounds. Numbers don't match up
    I saw an XL HD frame only on a scale today, 6.7lbs on the dot. It did have the rear Maxle in it which could account for some weight, but I would guess that to be minimal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan51
    I saw an XL HD frame only on a scale today, 6.7lbs on the dot. It did have the rear Maxle in it which could account for some weight, but I would guess that to be minimal.
    Now that sounds believable, thats still not that much heavier, but def way more realistic. My old XL stumpjumper Sworks with carbon front frame and aluminum rear traingle was 6.6ilbs and that was only 120mm!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greasemeat
    Aren't they like $2300?
    Guess that's not good... more like a critical hit in my confidence, I definitelly wanted to give them a try... But didn't know they cost that much though. Well, maybe stick with my trusty Flows a little longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    Yes, this is the most promising review so far, although a bit too promising, 11,160g is very, VERY light, even without pedals. Can't argue on the spec though, only top of the top stuff - those EDGE rims and cockpit just made me feel pretty sad... Anyway, what matters is the review itself, and that was what I was waiting for. My SL is now for sale!

    On the The Ones, they look pretty much the same as the current version to me, missing only a few extra touches - maybe a different version, FR or DH?



    EDIT: I wonder if the whole spec on the test bike is an "official" kit offered by Ibis. If so, I'm all over it. Bike Radar says: "Ibis delivered our Mojo HD tester with a bevy of high-end optional upgrades, including the aforementioned Joplin 4 seatpost and Edge Composites bar and stem, plus matching Edge AM carbon rims laced to Chris King through-axle hubs, and Shimano's latest Deore XT Dyna-Sys 10-speed group." Hans, do you mind?
    The 2010 The Ones lost the knobs and the contact adjustments. You need a tool for the reach now. I guess it'a all to save weight. I'm breaking in a pair on my HD right now. So far so good! I went with e 180/160.

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    has anyone rode an hd with the fox 180 yet. I am dying to know how it rides.... I know the axel to crown

    180mm FOX36 has a 565mm axle to crown
    160mm FOX36 has a 545mm axle to crown

    which looks the same ass the domain from what I can find.

    Domain 160: 545mm
    Domain 180: 565mm

    But that new talas looks perfect since you can crank it down for the climbs... too bad there is no mid 160 stop, I think that would be nice for this bikes geometry....... however I have read the frame will support the 180, and 20mm is not too much of an increase. Also, I know it is an exceptional light fork for its travel ect. However, those 20 mm quite a bit more weight... 4.65 for the 160 and 5.37 for the 180 in the TALAS...... I dont suppose that is all that much more than the 2010 160 but has anyone had a chance to ride both and see if the weight difference is noticeable. I guess I pretty much just want to know if anyone is riding it and how it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    There's a review for the HD at BikeRadar.com. Here's the link: http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...ustom-10-39369
    I would generally agree with the review. I am surprised at how agile the bike is. It did really great on some super tight trails that would be more fitting for an XC bike. I attribute this to the generally shorter wheel base it has to some of my previous bikes. Climbs like a monkey too.

    "Taut" rear suspension compared to horst link? Maybe. I'm still dialing in my rear shock.

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    Here she is!!! The one and only one...Matte Carbon HD.

    28.5 lbs in XL sans pedals, this is the XT build as comes from Ibis now(Dyna-Sys and '11 Talas) and still waiting on some swaps including Formulas "The Ones", Joplin, and chain guide. My lbs was cool enough to supply the full kit for now while we're waiting for the rest.

    So stoked!!!! just too bad it starts to rain just as I get home.

    Won't lie, I wish I could afford the "Kashima" Talas for a little more bling but for the extra cost it just wasn't justifiable. Little bland now but looking forward to upgrading parts as it goes.
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    She's a beauty! I gotta post mine up soon.

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    Thats a site to behold! Must have.......

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    In reply to the ride of the 2011 Talas. Super stiff fork with good geometry and head angle on the way up the hill. Its adjustable on the fly both up to 180 (just lift the front wheel) and down to 140 and touching the front brake gets it down quickly.
    Feels fantastic on the uphills now that I have a few rides under my belt, including multiple runs up "cardiac bypass" which was a struggle on my stumpjumper and other steep rides. The bike is quick and nimble on the technical uphill and long enough top tube to make your weight distribution count.
    Setting the fork to 180 sure feels nice, but is a huge change going from sitting over the front end to sitting back on the recliner. To be honest for the trails I have ridden to date the 180 is not needed and 140 would be fine - 160mm would be great. But I intend to put the guide on this bike and platforms to ride the local steeper trails and maybe the lower portion of the bike park. Thats when the 180mm will be used.

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    Rob, how much more for the Kashima coating? One thing that caught my attention is that the black on the Talas seems to be a very dark and glossy black, more like a Lyrik, very different from the black on the old vanillas, so it really made the bike look stronger on the front - and I was pretty tired of the boring titanium grey on the Talas actually.

    Anyway, never thought the black would be this bad ass - I knew it would, but not this much! Definitelly the finest HD build so far. Congratulations!

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    TALAS Kashima coating is ~$100 more than regular coating

    Quote Originally Posted by Black RONIN
    Rob, how much more for the Kashima coating?
    I just ordered my Mojo HD today! Delivery will (hopefully) be sometime in August...just in time for my vacation in Tahoe! Can't wait!

    I went with the X-9 build (Matte with RED links), and switched out the Lyric for a 2011 160 TALAS RC with the Kashima Coat.

    The 2011 Talas 160 RC with Kashima coat upgrade was ~$550 total.
    **NOTE: this is $100 MORE than the 2010 TALAS upgrade that is currently listed on the Ibis website.

    FYI - I got this info from the owner of the LBS today when I bought my Mojo HD:
    It is my understanding that Fox is not supplying the Kashima coat forks on any new floor stock "complete bikes" that get shipped to a LBS. This is supposedly true for ALL bike manufacturers. In order to get the Kashima coat you have to ask the LBS to switch it out (as I did), or go with a custom build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcatch
    I just ordered my Mojo HD today! Delivery will (hopefully) be sometime in August...just in time for my vacation in Tahoe! Can't wait!

    I went with the X-9 build (Matte with RED links), and switched out the Lyric for a 2011 160 TALAS RC with the Kashima Coat.

    The 2011 Talas 160 RC with Kashima coat upgrade was ~$550 total.
    **NOTE: this is $100 MORE than the 2010 TALAS upgrade that is currently listed on the Ibis website.

    FYI - I got this info from the owner of the LBS today when I bought my Mojo HD:
    It is my understanding that Fox is not supplying the Kashima coat forks on any new floor stock "complete bikes" that get shipped to a LBS. This is supposedly true for ALL bike manufacturers. In order to get the Kashima coat you have to ask the LBS to switch it out (as I did), or go with a custom build.
    So does that mean Ibis provides the Kashima Fox to the shop or does the Fox distributor?

    When figuring all this out with my LBS it would have been ~$400 difference because the Fox would have had to have been obtained through the Canadian Fox distributor and then an Ibis build kit would have been more expensive without the fork included. However the price discrepency might be coming from the fact that we're in Canada and the distributor here charges WAY more for Fox.

    For $100 I would have made that switch for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow
    So does that mean Ibis provides the Kashima Fox to the shop or does the Fox distributor?
    It is my understanding that my Fox TALAS w/ Kashima coat will come from Fox, not Ibis.

    My LBS told me today that all of the bike manufacturers (Ibis, Santa Cruz, Specialized, etc.) will not be shipping their "build kits" with Kashima coat forks. So, in order to get the Kashima coat you need to ask your LBS to do a substitution, or go with a custom build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdcatch
    switched out the Lyric for a 2011 160 TALAS RC with the Kashima Coat.
    The 2011 Talas 160 RC with Kashima coat upgrade was ~$550 total.
    whoa, you can get a second top of the line Rockshox fork for that price (ex: revelation adjustatble 150mm maxle light). Hard the beleive a Talas would be >2x better

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    The guys at Passion got my new HD going this weekend and here are a couple of pics from its first ride. So far the bike is great, planning on testing it, up in the Sierras this coming weekend.
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    Mine :

    Frame: Large, white with red links with RP23, have a Push MX tune VanR I may get retuned for this frame as well.
    Fork: 2009 Float RC2
    Headset: CC110 mixed - red
    Wheels: DT Swiss EX1750
    Drivetrain: XO shifters and r. der, SLX 2-ring front, XT everything else i.e. all business, E13 DRS Turbo (no matter what DW says, I had to do a ton of grinding to get it to fit right)
    Seat post: KS I950R - super stoked on this! Like it way more than the Joplins, GD's and AMP's I've had or played with.
    Brakes: Formula Oro K24's with sintered pads, 185/160, soon to be 185/185
    Cockpit: Thomson 70mm, Sunline low rise wide bars
    Tires: 2.5 DHF EXO single ply front, Specy Chunder 2-bliss rear (high roller knock off, but more volume and dual tread compound, nice tire actually, soon to be DHF 2.5 EXO though)
    Pedals: Kona Wah Wah, set for upgrade soon... these just won't die though

    Pretty happy with it so far. Better than my Intense SS with similar build in every way...except maybe un-manned cartwheeling through rock gardens... but we'll see...
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    Nice deck

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    Candy Cane Mojo HD

    Quote Originally Posted by Bortis Yelltzen
    Mine :

    Frame: Large, white with red links with RP23, have a Push MX tune VanR I may get retuned for this frame as well.
    Wheels: DT Swiss EX1750

    Pretty stoked on it so far. Better than my Intense SS with similar build in every way...except maybe un-manned cartwheeling through rock gardens... but we'll see...
    Pretty sweet Bortimus.

    Where did you get such a sweet wheelset? Probably from someone somewhat flexy and mildly All Mountain.

    We will all miss the trials and tribulations of you skippering the SS Boat Anchor.
    However, I officially dub your Mojo HD the Candy Striper.

    Bortis' has been out riding the Candy Striper again. I doubt he'll want to go out afterwards as he'll be spent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Pretty sweet Bortimus.

    Where did you get such a sweet wheelset? Probably from someone somewhat flexy and mildly All Mountain.
    Some dumbass I know went on this hardtail twenty-giner kick early in the season, so he blew out two sets of these wheels. Mr. Welcorn got the "pristine" set and I got the "beat" set with cracked front axle and mildly out of true rear wheel for a rediculous price. Dude even gave me a new front axle and bearings so all I had to do was press out the old one and drop in the new one. I guess it worked out for him though, he got a deal on some Haven's that are pretty slick. Dude is definitely "All-Mountain" though...

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    We will all miss the trials and tribulations of you skippering the SS Boat Anchor.
    I won't.

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    Funny thing is while I was building the HD the girlfried was staining said deck. It was all dry and nasty, amazing what 3 coats of stain will do...

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    ibis mojo HD

    i've had it for a couple weeks now and really enjoying it. when i get my legs back in shape i might go 1x9 with chain guide.
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    Here's mine. Just got done building it. Tomorrow it will see dirt.
    For comparison is a pic of my regular Mojo.
    Both are XL.
    HD has 60mm stem, Mojo has 70mm.
    HD Lyrik @ 160, Mojo has Revelation @ 150.

    Remaining part spec is almost identical.
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    That's awesome! Is that the XL that was at Trailhead for a while?

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