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    metamorphosis - from mojo to mojo (superlight :) )

    I am a proud owner of a vicious blue mojo.

    After 1 and half year of using it I decided to make a small makeover


    I like the bike, "sex on wheels" as many people say, but I think it deserves something better than (now) standard 10,7 kilos...

    On this photo is the lightest configuration, created one year ago.

    http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/3418408/

    The vision is simple: create the lightest version, that is still an all mountain bike, no flatbars, 1,9 inch tires, tune speed needle saddles

    The first step to the ultra light world was the SL frame. I could buy only the frame, because I bought my perfect rear shock, cane creek cloud nine one month ago. My favourite colour is blue, white is not hygenic, carbon.... not my taste

    I find the sl blue more interesting than the standard mojo - an individual taste of course...
    I have blue links from standard mojo, the blue seat clamp too.

    I will transform the 10,7 standard mojo to 8,9 mojo sl.

    The parts from mojo, that go to sl are:
    - formula r1 brakes
    - xtr front and x0 rear derellieur
    - selle italia slk saddle
    - ritchey 4 axis stem (probably)
    - rocket ron 2,25 evo tires
    - cane creek rear shock
    - cane creek is headset

    New parts
    - frame of course
    - cannondale lefty pbr solo air fork
    - custom steer tube 1 1/8
    - easton handlebar
    - ax lightness/tune-edge/tune wheels (3 options)
    - eclipse tubes
    - innolite/scrubs brake disc
    - thm carbones clavicula crank
    - sram xx cassete
    - ax lightness seatpost
    - power cordz/i link alligator cables and wires

    the end result depends from some factors (for example the weight of tuned steertube, many products with big weight difference...)

    So, we will see...
    I will inform of all project uptates

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    Nice...

    You'll have to get SRAM XX shifters and rear derailleur as well though.
    XTR is 9-speed, XX is 10.

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    there are some options - i found gripshifts 10sp 100 grms, we'll see

    must the rear derailleur be compatible with shifters? I don't think so... shifter and cassette of course.

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    Cool!
    Have to stick to either Shimano or SRAM, the actuation ratios are different - SRAM is 1:1, so for each 1mm shifter movement, the derailleur moves 1 mm, Shimano is 2:1 - sp they will not be compatible.

    Who makes the 10speed gripshifts?

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    yea X.0 gripshifts are 9 speed. Im running those on my Mojo and Homegrown

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    sram attack + shimano = compatibility
    I use x0 rear der, so there's no problem I think. I have sram shifters.

    http://www.jpracingbike1.com/Recon-G...-bbNaaajva.asp

    10 sp, but I noticed now, shimano compatible only... that's not good...

    Today I checked exactly the weight of the bike (configuration from photo) - 10,58, little bit less than I mesured before.

    I would like to use scrubs or innolite rotors, but they are compatible only with sintered/resin pads... they don't perform best...
    Set of scrubs discs weight less than 100 grams, but they aren't idiot-proof...
    I don't know what metal matrix composite is. Aluminium coated? Anyone knows that?
    The second option are hope rotors, Heavier but user friendly.

    Not too many resin/sintered brake pads on alu plates, I saw only original r1 from formula and they're not cheap...

    I found an information about a new sram 9 sp cassete (same technology as xx) but this one will be available first only as 11-32 and I prefer 11-34 or 11-36.
    I don't want any kcnc cassetes or another aluminium something. I trust steel, shimano for example. I am not agressive rider but I want go home without any problems, on the bike not with it

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    Lighter than this one from a good friend of my country?

    My XCLUSIBIS bike

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    maybe... some of my ideas are lighter, some are heavier - my ass for example doesn't tolerate ax or tune saddles.
    this xclusbis is nice, but I prefer not so aggresive visual details - mine will be blue, the frame, so many blue anodized parts aren't my taste. I wil not anodize rims or spokes.
    Blue on my ibis is not the same blue on all parts - frame, fork, spacer, crank, links and seat binder, but I think it doesn't disturb. I saw a blue seatpost from kcnc and that blue was ugly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isurus
    Lighter than this one from a good friend of my country?

    My XCLUSIBIS bike
    Im pretty sure he's talking about bikes that are ridden, not just propped up against stuff for $12,000 photo ops

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    do you know maybe how much the new revelation 150/2010 weight? I mean the 9 qr version.
    the information on the sram web page is 1620-1640 grams, I found an internet auction and asked the owner of the fork and he wrote me the same. my friend informed me in the email, that his rev '10 weights about 1790 grams, but with maxle.
    Is this possible that the qr version is almost 200 gram lighter?

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    I have the QR version - LOVE the fork, but am not 100% sure of weight.
    There are quite a few different models as well - which will also play a role in weight

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    yes I know, there are I think 5 versions, some of them with maxle and qr, the difference on sram web site is 1620 and 1636 grams - it seems to be for qr option.
    have you ever used any older revelation? I heard rs improved the dual air system. I wrote in an other topic, that the older one (2007) felt like short travel xc fork. I was a 130 mm version, the new is 150 and just that kan make a difference, but...

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    My stumjuper full suspension 29er weights 11 kilos and it cost me about 3 grand. hahah
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    My stumjuper full suspension 29er weights 11 kilos and it cost me about 3 grand. hahah
    and? anything constructive for this topic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    My stumjuper full suspension 29er weights 11 kilos and it cost me about 3 grand. hahah
    Great for you. My kick bike weighs 2 kg and cost me $100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    My stumjuper full suspension 29er weights 11 kilos and it cost me about 3 grand. hahah
    Are you bragging or whining? I cant tell.

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    I don't like the Ibis I would not buy it I hate the cable routing or lack of, I think its over priced and if I can get an aluminum 29er to that weight you tell me aside from the carbon what the advantage is? I am sure there is people that swear by them I just don't see it.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    You should be proud that is one sexy bike !, check out my downhill topless bike ride lol woo !
    http://******/8ZTQF


    Lemme knw what u think !

    Thanks. X

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    The Mojo SL frame is over a pound lighter than your Stumpjumper frame. It also has more travel. I have no problem with the cable routing. Take a look at mine, hard to see but the cables are short and straight:

    At $2200 it is the most expensive bike part I've ever bought (only part I've ever paid retail for) but it's worth it.
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    I don't like the Ibis I would not buy it I hate the cable routing or lack of, I think its over priced and if I can get an aluminum 29er to that weight you tell me aside from the carbon what the advantage is? I am sure there is people that swear by them I just don't see it.
    Lets see pics of your $3000, 5.5" travel, geared, 11kg Stumpjumper

    Cable routing is certainly a reason to hate a bike...

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    I'd prefer some information in my topic ok?
    Spec is the best brand in the whole world - that know we all

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    Here it is before a few upgrades, I will tell you what Parts I have that really help make it lighter: Monkey lites SL 31.8 handle bars 145 grams esi grips at 59 grams 4x thomson steam at 160ish I think, ec90 seatpost at 170 grams sette italia carbonio saddle at 140 grams, xtr cassette x9 deraillour short cage xtr cranks not pictured, stans arches with hope hubs not pictured that are just above 1700 grams. Its a light weight 29er that I ride everywere and its pretty light.

    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    Here it is before a few upgrades, I will tell you what Parts I have that really help make it lighter: Monkey lites SL 31.8 handle bars 145 grams esi grips at 59 grams 4x thomson steam at 160ish I think, ec90 seatpost at 170 grams sette italia carbonio saddle at 140 grams, xtr cassette x9 deraillour short cage xtr cranks not pictured, stans arches with hope hubs not pictured that are just above 1700 grams. Its a light weight 29er that I ride everywere and its pretty light.

    You are on an Ibis forum, hello. Do you really think you are going to convert anyone. We all know it is a special bike. Old technology.
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    I was just bringing up the parts that lighten up my bike I dont want to convert anyone. I am sure the guys i ride with me that have mojos don't think my bike is old tech.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    nah, you came in here trying to talk noise (go look at your posts)...your bike isnt in the same category to really compare it to the mojo though

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    Your right mine is in a different league your right. My wheels are 700cc and my bike is al but I like it and that is what counts.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    29er, 100mm, Alum, FSR
    26er, 140mm, Carbon, DWL
    im glad you are happy with your new bike, congrats

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    Somebody say Junkjumper? Stick to the topic please.
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    When I look to the West
    And my spirit is crying for leaving

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    So, I have everything now, items from the last order will come this week.

    My setup:

    frame: ibis mojo sl, large, blue, blue links
    fork: manitou minute mrd absolute 2009
    shock: cane creek cloud nine
    handlebar: ritchey superlogic riser
    stem: kcnc 110 mm/31.8
    headset: cane creek is 2
    seatpost: carbon handmade, 350 mm
    saddle: bontrager rxl, ti rails
    brakes: formula r1
    discs: hope x2
    crankarms: aerozine
    bottom bracket: token
    chainrings: extralite
    front der: shimano xtr
    rear der: shimano xtr shadow
    shifters: sram quarz
    cassette: recon ti 11-34
    chain: shimano xtr
    wheels: ztr alpine/tune king,kong/sapim cx ray
    pedals: exustar ep-m 28 ti
    tires: schwalbe rocket ron evo 2,1
    tubes: schwalbe
    cables/wires: alligator mini i-link
    stem spacers: aerozine
    skewers: aerozine ti
    seat binder: ibis
    grips: foam no name

    total weight: between 9,2 and 9.3 kg
    the bike will be ready in june, when I will visit Poland and come back to Norway.

    what can be done yet?
    - crank - I think about thm carbones or extralite
    - hedshok lefty pbr - but this in the future
    - maybe a hand made handlebar
    - ax lightness wheels

    photos of my baby - in june

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    Lightning cranks seem to be the hot item right now. Really light and cheaper than Claviculas (sp?)
    Keep the Country country.

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    hm, I know that, but.... I am not shure if I want them
    extralite is made from alu, even if I have a good experience with carbon, carbon cranks seem to be problematic: for example quality of new race fece next (sl), clavicula - the same, fsa - many negative opinions... extralite is in production since many years, I am not heavy, so...

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    A handmade seatpost?

    That is a respectably light build, but arguable whether it's really AM or not, e.g. wheels and tires. You've invested some serious cash into some parts that also skirt the weight/reliability boundary, e.g. Tune hubs and the Aerozine crank. Did Nino talk you into this build?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a weight weenie too. I just hope it all holds up.
    "I thought you'd never love me without my Mojo." -Austin Powers

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    Are the tires really not suited to AM? I was thinking of running Rocket Ron 2.25 tubeless on my bike, or will they not cope with AM terrain?

    Sorry for going slightly off topic.

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    It all depends on your local conditions. They might work fine where you are at, but they're probably better described as an XC tire, rather than AM, because the A in AM stands for ALL mountain, right? There are many places where the conditions will tear up Rocket Rons and their light sidewalls. But again, if these work where ever YOU are, then that's all that matters. I guess it's a semantic thing about the AM moniker.
    "I thought you'd never love me without my Mojo." -Austin Powers

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    I suppose. I do think though that the tubeless version should be slightly more durable, perhaps with some sealant in them.

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    The weakness of RR's, or any similar super light weight tire with very thin sidewalls, is susceptibility to sidewall cuts. I'm a big believer in both tubeless and in sealant, but big sidewall tears won't seal up even with sealant. This is really only a problem if you're riding someplace with lots of sharp, jagged, pokey rocks. If not, then RR's are probably a great choice.
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    Just a thought - if you went with an e.13 LG1+ bashguard, and ditched the front derailleur, shifter, and two chainrings... you could save 200+ grams! Since it will be such a light bike, you'll have no issues making it up any of the hills in your area!

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    I had ro ro 2,25 evo, they were fully ok. The 2,1 evo version is not very narrower than 2,25, I think I will not suffer because of them...
    I am light, my riding style is light, the tires are better than more am tires from other producers, for example many continentals from my tire past I had many punctures when I used verticals or gravitys.
    I need front derellieur and 3 chainrings as much as 11-34 cassette, that is stupid idea for many of my friends
    I have 14 mtb years behind me, many concepts tested and I think this bike is - with this setup - the good compromise.

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