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    Ibis Mojo Review by MTBTrailReview.com

    Full Ibis Mojo Review

    I was careful not to read anything before riding the bike and doing the review.


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    I am also interested in getting as much feedback as possible on the review and the site in general. Thanks for the help.

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    imho, I had fun reading

    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    I am also interested in getting as much feedback as possible on the review and the site in general. Thanks for the help.
    Pretty good review on par with mbaction. Read some of Derby's reviews and some guys here for extremely good technical detail.
    Lot's of times it's over peoples heads but for hard core mountain bike geeks it's really good. (Hard to do both in one review, maybe a read on section.)
    Maybe mention that Darren does Mojo specific tuning at push. Don't know whether the part about not really a downhill bike is relevant anymore since the Lopes era. (good that you mentioned him). "Carbon does not bend…it shreds." Not really, but most mtb bikes are alum now, never really seen one bend much instead of breaking at failure point.
    Where did you test in North Ga? Probably the best areas to test Moj up there would include pinhoti at dalton (time trial course) and Rich Mountain. Most areas up there you usually don't need a long travel bike for. You might mention where purchased if local to help out those guys. (hard business) Might mention some differences in the 2 different Moj models avail now.
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    Rich would be the perfect test course for this bike. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get my hands on it until the weekend after we rode up there.

    This actually isn't my bike, I wish it was, but I do know that Darren knew the Pike and the RP23 were for the Mojo, so it must have gotten the Mojo specific.

    I should probably go back and modify the shreds comment a little bit. I was more referring to dent type situations. But I do agree with you on the cracking at the failure point on aluminum.

    Good idea on mentioning the SL.

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    I liked the review a lot, very good to follow and informative, especially with the specifics on testing environment, and the comments about flex (because a lot of people might wonder about your take on it). Btw, which software were you using for the profiles you put in at th beginning?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jever98
    I liked the review a lot, very good to follow and informative, especially with the specifics on testing environment, and the comments about flex (because a lot of people might wonder about your take on it). Btw, which software were you using for the profiles you put in at th beginning?

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    Thanks...Garmin 305 and Motionbased.com

    I figured where it was tested is just as important as the review itself.

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    Great review! It pretty much matches my experience riding the Mojo. Amazing climbing, point it up and ride ove just about anything, same downhill, and it rails corners with a good fork like the Pike. I’ve got mine all coil suspended and PUSH tuned, will be putting a PUSH'd Pike on as soon as I get some axle adaptors. Under my 200 lbs, the PUSH’d Fox 32/140 Vanilla RLC feels fine until it gets very rocky and then it is kind of hard to feel as confident in what direction the fork will take me. I’m really looking forward to getting back on a 20mm axle fork and one tuned by PUSH.

    A couple of nit picks. The carbon finish can be repaired rather easily if scratched with clear paint even fingernail polish. And if the scratch is deep into the weave an experienced CF repair person such as Craig Calfe in Santa Cruz, CA can laminate layers and refinish so you’d never know it was damaged. And at the worse if you do manage to break the Mojo which seems to be very rare, Ibis besides having a 3 year manufacturing warrantee, has a very reasonable crash replacement service. Ibis customer service is second to none!

    The other nit is the frame is designed for the 36mm forks up to 160mm travel. The Mojo of course fits and is usually sold with a lighter weight more XC/Enduro and AM 32mm fork. Many riders have set them up with a 36/160mm adjustable travel Talas or Lyric for extreme riding conditions way before Brian Lopes did it. And no you don’t need to be as good as BL to ride yours this way! You just need to do rides where such a fork for more pedal clearance and slacker steering and bigger landings is worth the extra weight. Riders haven’t found the limits of the Mojo yet.

    Nice of you to report a reality check on all the flex BS a very few riders with apparently limited full suspension experience have posted. As a Ventana rider you know what a low flexing ride feel is, and the Mojo delivers excellent feel with the highest traction grip when riding.

    Good to hear you had a good race with zero time to tweak and tune the Mojo before starting. It is the most balanced handling and easiest climbing and descending trial bike ride of the dozens I’ve tested and previously owned.

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    Great review. What's so good about it is that it is very objective, very concise and well thought out.

    What I am most surprised about (and I imagine others would as well) is your comments about the flex. I knew you rode a Ventana before I read the post....didn't know it was a Tmoto though (goodness that thing is a beast! ). I would have bet my Mojo that you would have said that the rear was flexy. You're dead on when you said "The only reason I can see people even saying that is by having that thought in your head before you even rode the bike. Sometimes they just have to make their opinion true I guess, but if you were thinking about not buying this frame because of the flex comments…forget about it and pick one up."

    Question: Did the bike have the prototype PUSH links? Doesn't seem so from the pix but just wondering since your thoughts on the flex are completely unexpected. No one has ever said that Ventana's are flexy....they'd have to be out of their minds to say such a thing, but it is a very common claim for the Mojo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    Great review. What's so good about it is that it is very objective, very concise and well thought out.

    What I am most surprised about (and I imagine others would as well) is your comments about the flex. I knew you rode a Ventana before I read the post....didn't know it was a Tmoto though (goodness that thing is a beast! ). I would have bet my Mojo that you would have said that the rear was flexy. You're dead on when you said "The only reason I can see people even saying that is by having that thought in your head before you even rode the bike. Sometimes they just have to make their opinion true I guess, but if you were thinking about not buying this frame because of the flex comments…forget about it and pick one up."

    Question: Did the bike have the prototype PUSH links? Doesn't seem so from the pix but just wondering since your thoughts on the flex are completely unexpected. No one has ever said that Ventana's are flexy....they'd have to be out of their minds to say such a thing, but it is a very common claim for the Mojo.
    No Push links...yet. There are some more parts from Push on the way for this bike...they just aren't here yet. I figured the best way to review the DW-Link was to have the stock links with a great shock. From my experience on the bike, I think I was right. Now, there will be a follow-up review later when it is completely finished off. I'll just have to go steal it from it's owner again!

    You are right about the Ventana...there is no flex. That this is solid as a rock, and like I said in the article...I tried to get it to feel like the claims...and couldn't.

    I didn't know that it could take a 160mm fork! hmmm...maybe I'll have to throw the Lyrik on and see what happens.

    Thanks for the feedback again. To be completely honest...this was my first full review in type. I have talked about bikes and ridden all kind of different rides over the years...but this is my first review actually written down. The feedback is really helping a lot.

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    I forgot to add...On some of the comments above that you don't agree with me on...like the carbon...post your thoughts in the comments section of the blog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    I forgot to add...On some of the comments above that you don't agree with me on...like the carbon...post your thoughts in the comments section of the blog.
    Done

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddraewwg
    Done
    Perfect...you should see it posted now!

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    awesome review, Robb!

    one detail you wrote about sending your fork to CA...push is in CO ....

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    From one of those who likes to keep tabs on interesting bikes ... Nice write-up! There are days when a mojo sounds appealing, and, after reading your review, this is one of those days. Your feedback on the frames stiffness is esp. helpful given that your ride is a Terremoto. Interesting.

    Also good to hear the positive feedback on the Pushed Pike. I have both a RP23 and Pike at Push for some loving right now. I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    one detail you wrote about sending your fork to CA...push is in CO ....
    Thanks for the edit...I feel stupid now...I knew that and didn't catch it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    Thanks for the edit...I feel stupid now...I knew that and didn't catch it...
    no worries..... if you keep writing such good material, I'll happily proofread

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    I like how you do your website theme, the opacity of the navigation is interesting, care to PM me on how you do it and do you create the website from ground zero or you use some service for the comments? (Thanks by the way). And great review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    I like how you do your website theme, the opacity of the navigation is interesting, care to PM me on how you do it and do you create the website from ground zero or you use some service for the comments? (Thanks by the way). And great review.
    I'll send you an email with some info. Thanks for the comment you put up there too, you should see it now.

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    Can someone post a picture of their Mojo at 160mm? This has really sparked my interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    Can someone post a picture of their Mojo at 160mm? This has really sparked my interest.
    Try this thread to start with!

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    Here is my mojo with a coil Lyrik up front - i love it!

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    Wow, your Mojo looks like its going to be getting some air often. Is it true what I just said?
    And what coil shock did you put there, can't see it properly.
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    For reference...this is my regular ride...



    Those Mojo's look great...I did actually find something wrong with the bike though...I'll eventually have to give it back to it's owner...

    I got another 12 miles on it today.

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    Wow, is that a CaneCreek DoubleBarrel shock? Sweet, damn I wish to ride it some day (Its performance sounds pretty darn good, costs a fortune though). How does it improve your daily trail riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelhot
    Wow, is that a CaneCreek DoubleBarrel shock? Sweet, damn I wish to ride it some day (Its performance sounds pretty darn good, costs a fortune though). How does it improve your daily trail riding?
    It's a CCDB...there is no other shock on the market as far as I am concerned. It is the best by a mile and then some. The only air shock that is even ridable after being on one is a Push'd RP23 and there aren't any other coil shocks that even come close.

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    It's a CCDB...there is no other shock on the market as far as I am concerned. It is the best by a mile and then some. The only air shock that is even ridable after being on one is a Push'd RP23 and there aren't any other coil shocks that even come close.

    Every penny was the best money I have ever spent.
    Sweet, I hear they custom tuned the shock for the frame, is it true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzsean
    Here is my mojo with a coil Lyrik up front - i love it!
    zzsean your Mojo just looks so right with an adjustable height coil 36 fork and ti coil shock with adjustable seat post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derby
    zzsean your Mojo just looks so right with an adjustable height coil 36 fork and ti coil shock with adjustable seat post.

    I actually think that it is now perfect. I guess I could put 08 versions of things on it, but other than that I think I have exactly the components on it that are perfect for me!

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    to each their own, i also own a scott cr1 road bike (one of the most stiff bikes proven scientifically) and i know flex when i feel it, and it is not so much in the rear end as the seat tube to top tube area!
    ride and figure it out yourself...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brook_63@yahoo.com
    to each their own, i also own a scott cr1 road bike (one of the most stiff bikes proven scientifically) and i know flex when i feel it, and it is not so much in the rear end as the seat tube to top tube area!
    ride and figure it out yourself...
    The flex issue (or non-issue as I claim) is a pet peeve of mine. My Ibis brand light weight aluminum stem and handlebars are too flexy to determine if the frame is flexing much with my Thompson and now much flexier AMP adjustable seatpost. I know my Fox 140 fork is the most noticeable flexiest part of my Mojo and it will be replaced soon with a Pike having a 20mm axle to better match the rest of the bike's superb handling feel.

    I've flex tested using the good-old hold the bike by a handlebar and push against the center of the crank (BB) method, and I notice no more flex than most mountain bikes and less flex than many. The top of rear wheel side flex test against the seat shows an average amount of full suspension mountain bike flex, and there are a few brands with less flex primarily a few of the so-called "faux-bar" type monopivot with linked shock, some other full suspensions have more flex. In this rear wheel test the Mojo flexes close to the same as Horst links I’ve tested this flex from Turner, Intense, or Titus.

    For rocky and gravelly dirt trail use I claim that some flex is desirable for best speed, cornering traction and feedback. For high traction rock only and pavement use less flex provides more feedback and springy side flex becomes noticeable and can be disturbing to feel.

    I think the Mojo as the introductory new generation Ibis mountain bike was designed for the widest range of use to gain the widest customer market possible. The pavement and pure rock condition uses are a rather small section of all popular uses. And other designs might be superior in some ways in those conditions.

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    Flex

    I think that flex is a legitimate issue to be had with the Mojo.

    Speaking personally, I absolutely do feel the tail end bending/oscillating when side loaded during cornering.

    I don't think there's a dramatic impact on the bike's actual performance, but it really bugs me. The rear end feels loose when I want it to feel tight.

    Derby, you may feel the same once you've switched over to a through-axle fork with a short, stout stem and wide, stiff bars.

    If I were to make two changes to the Mojo's design, they would be replacement of the upper "plate" linkages with a monolithic block and full triangulation of the swingarm (as opposed to non-drive side triangulation only). I noticed that Pivot cycles went this route, and while I find their bikes aesthetically displeasing I admire their ingenuity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    Thanks for the edit...I feel stupid now...I knew that and didn't catch it...
    Another small edit for you is you said "dampening" in your review. You should have said damping as dampening is the act of making something slightly wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irrenarzt
    Another small edit for you is you said "dampening" in your review. You should have said damping as dampening is the act of making something slightly wet.
    Thanks...fixed.

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    No sweat, glad to help out.

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    On deck is the CCDB review...that one is going to take me even longer to get together...

    And Count Zero...I didn't feel the flex that you are describing at all, and I am not easy on equipment by any definition of the word. I prefer drops to flat over ones with transitions for some crazy reason and the Ibis at 28-29 lbs is the lightest bike I have ridden in months, but I guess everyone is an expert these days...

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    Hey, I didn't say I am an expert

    Hey, I didn't claim that I am an expert. I have tested frames and components for another manufacturer, but in the end I'm just a guy with an opinion.

    <STRIKE>I did however state my opinion respectfully.</STRIKE>

    <STRIKE>Thanks for the backhanded insult though.</STRIKE>

    As to your comment about drops: Frankly, I have no problem with the Mojo's behavior on drops. Given that those forces are driven straight down across the frame's vertical plane, they have no relation to my perception of twisting under side loads.

    - Tom O (Mojo owner)
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    I'm sorry...bad wording on my part....I lump myself into that category as much as anyone else...so don't take it personally.

    I only mentioned the drops to explain which end of the spectrum I am coming from. There are a lot of guys with opinions on things that haven't actually pushed it to the limit enough to notice.



    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero
    Hey, I didn't claim that I am an expert. I have tested frames and components for another manufacturer, but in the end I'm just a guy with an opinion.

    I did however state my opinion respectfully.

    Thanks for the backhanded insult though...

    As to your comment about drops: Frankly, I have no problem with the Mojo's behavior on drops. Given that those forces are driven straight down across the frame's vertical plane, they have no relation to my perception of twisting under side loads.

    - Tom O (Mojo owner)

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    Ah, apology accepted

    Apology accepted, friend. This stupid interweb is good for some things, bad for others. It's hard to catch the nuances of a conversation. No hard feelings.

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    Was this bike all stock or did it have some extra PUSH stuff/links on it besides PUSH tuning?

    I found the rear end to track not near as well as my Salty or Spot or X-5. However, if Darren and you find that is not the case, I'll have to give the Mojo another chance and find one to take for a spin- one that is not a shop demo. The ones I tried were stock with QR Fox forks and stock shocks. I'm running my current bike with a Pike and CK heavy duty rear hub with Funbolts.

    Well written review!

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    Push'd Pike
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    10mm bolt thru Industry Nine rear hub on Stan's Flow

    Now that I think about it more...that 10mm I9 might have increased the stiffness of the rear end a lot.

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    Thanks man. I wil have to give it another chance.

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    I wonder if PUSH will make links like what they did for Turner bikes.
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    There is a good chance they will if they can improve something significantly over the stock links.

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    There is a good chance they will if they can improve something significantly over the stock links.
    Well I just hope Push makes a stiffer links for the Mojo and try not to change the leverage curve with what they did on the Turner links. Honestly I wonder if its possible to put a bridge connecting both links
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSutton1223
    Push'd Pike
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    10mm bolt thru Industry Nine rear hub on Stan's Flow

    Now that I think about it more...that 10mm I9 might have increased the stiffness of the rear end a lot.
    Whoa! 10mm through axle on the I9 Enduros? Can you describe this further? I take it that it works with standard dropouts?

    I happen to have a set of I9 Enduros, and sadly did not know there was a bolt-on option!

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    Well, I'll drop by tomorrow and offer up some ideas. I'm sure Darren never gets those but it doesn't hurt

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    Well, I'll drop by tomorrow and offer up some ideas. I'm sure Darren never gets those but it doesn't hurt
    Oh, you know the guys at PUSH? Sweet.
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    Well, I like to go say Hi every now and then but to them, it probably more like "oh damn, it's that guy again"

    Actually, I need a bit of help with my shock and I have the day off so why not head that way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    There is a good chance they will if they can improve something significantly over the stock links.
    There's already prototypes made. Darren's been testing them. He has a Mojo and he posted a pix of the bike....a very keen eye (not mine) noticed that the links were different and asked Darren. He coyly avoided a definitive "yes" from what I remember, but it's pretty obvious that they were different. Don't know if he made them to be stiffer or as someone else mentioned here, to change leverage rates (doubtful. Don't even know if you could since the links are specifically designed to fall within the DW-link parameters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Count Zero
    Whoa! 10mm through axle on the I9 Enduros? Can you describe this further? I take it that it works with standard dropouts?

    I happen to have a set of I9 Enduros, and sadly did not know there was a bolt-on option!
    yep...9mm front and 10mm rear are the standard dropouts sizes..... IIRC aren't the I9 enduro hubs convertible? better get n touch with i9

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